Worst 1st round (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

Yes, Oakland and Detroit not even listed.

Jacksonville with a HUGE reach.

Denver paid an absolute ton for Tebow and took Demaryius over Dez.

 

[Honda]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

 

[thatguy]

When a team could have landed Dez Bryant and Dan Williams and instead ended up with Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas, I don't think it can get much worse.

 

[DCN12586]

When a team could have landed Dez Bryant and Dan Williams and instead ended up with Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas, I don't think it can get much worse.

Trading one head case for another head case in Bryant that had a 0 percent chance of happening.

 

[DCN12586]

Buffalo, wtf?

 

[thecardiackid]

When a team could have landed Dez Bryant and Dan Williams and instead ended up with Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas, I don't think it can get much worse.

This.McDaniels needs some 'god complex' therapy. 2/3/4 to move back into the first round for the Tebow project? While the D is brutal?

 

[renesauz]

As much as I hate the Tebow pick...I get it. Kids intangibles and work ethic are off the charts. Instant leader they desperately need, high character, blah blah. And they were competing for him?

Thomas made perfect sense...more sense then Bryant for Denver. AND they picked up value with the earlier trade down. Can't see them as the worst first...Jacksonville, to me, was clearly worse.

ETA: I think Buffalo's pick was just as much a head scratcher.

 

[Jack Burton]

Bronco fans should be hatin' it right about now.

 

[SSOG]

Bronco fans should be hatin' it right about now.

There was talk before the draft about how Denver was going to take the 1st receiver off the board with their first pick. There was also talk about how Tim Tebow was probably going to go in the second round. Now, we can discuss Demaryus vs. Dez all day, but I really don't have an opinion on that one way or another- if Denver's brass preferred Demaryus straight up, then so be it. But if Denver hadn't made any trades at all, had selected Dez Bryant at #11 and Tim Tebow with one of their two second rounders, then I don't think anyone would be talking about how they just had one of the worst drafts of anyone so far.Now look at the net result of all their trades. They got the first WR off the board with their 1st rounder. They got Tim Tebow with their second rounder. In addition, they also turned the #114 draft pick into the #87 draft pick (that's the net result of all their trades). Seems like a pretty solid day to me.I'm as critical of the McDaniels regime as anyone, but I think it's too early to hate Denver's draft so far- unlike last year, when it was absurd for Denver to be drafting an RB when they'd just signed 3 free agents, already had two capable holdovers, and had a defense in dire need of talent. And when it was equally absurd to be taking a 4-3 DE that had no position in the 3-4 they were converting to. Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

 

[EBF]

As much as I like to poke fun at teams for goofy picks, you just never know until a few years down the line. If Bradford becomes a JaMarcus level bust and Tebow becomes the next Steve Young then things look very different.

I wouldn't characterize Denver's draft as bad so much as I would label it "incredibly risky." I almost feel like McDaniels is trying to prove how smart he is by making extremely controversial decisions. That's been a theme throughout his entire brief regime.

"I like Matt Cassel more than Jay Cutler."

"Eddie Royal sucks. Jabar Gaffney is money."

"Moreno is a franchise back worth a top 15 pick."

"Yea, Richard Quinn is definitely worth a second round pick."

"Dez who? No thanks. I'll take the guy who ran three routes in college."

"Tim Tebow is a first round QB."

I like Demaryius Thomas and I think his talent warranted a first round pick in the range where Denver took him, so I don't think that was a bad pick in a vacuum, but with Dez Bryant sitting out there I really can't justify the decision. I don't think it will be as bad as passing up Randy Moss for Kevin Dyson, but it might be sort of like drafting Plaxico Burress over Larry Fitzgerald (which never happened, I'm just using a hypothetical).

Tebow. Oh man. Who knows how this one will work out. I love his work ethic and college production, but after the Senior Bowl there was talk that he might not even be worth a day one pick. This guy is very much a project as a passer and there's no guarantee that he'll pan out even if he's given ample time to reach his ceiling.

 

[werdnoynek]

you're saying they've made a mistake at this time, but three or four years down the road denver may have had the best first round in the 2010 draft. it's easy to say there's more talented people out there they should have taken, but they're obviously taking guys they think fit their scheme/needs at this time and they got them. if i'm a bronco's fan (which i'm not) i'd wouldn't be giving up hope just yet... thomas and tebow could very well be the best guys at their positions down the road, they've got the potential. imo, it's a bit early for the "sky is falling" attitudes.

 

[cobalt_27]

Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

I don't have the time to address all of your post, but it is apparent you are not reading the tea leaves here. The other legitimate concern is taking Tim TeJesus in the 1st round. About as bad as taking Demaryius over Dez. Compound fracture of a draft. Both were just horrible decisions.BTW, link to where you've been critical of anything about Denver?

But, I do want to thank you for taking Thomas. That boneheaded move swung the door wide open for the Boys to select Dez. Imagine it's on par with Niners fans thanking OAK for taking DHB. So, yeah, I don't want to be too critical, because that was very charitable of your organization to do that.

 

[craxie]

easily San Diego

 

[PitbullTD]

I think EBF summed it up quite nicely. But still, looking at what we know NOW which is how you make your picks(obviously teams have much more information than we do so please save that) Dez >>>>> Thomas, Tebow < Orton/Quinn. I will just touch on the QB situation.

They already have a couple mediocre QB's. You just brought in a guy who is below that right now, and MAYBE in a couple years will be that. True he could blossom, but I don't see it happening ANYTIME soon, and at that point McDaniels and staff could be gone. We've all been witness to what happens to players that are part of another regime.

Incredibly Risky is a great analysis of Denver's first round. Before the Thomas and Tebow picks I was seriously thinking McDaniels was giving Kraft/Belicheck a run for their draft moving money.

 

[moleculo]

Bronco fans should be hatin' it right about now.

There was talk before the draft about how Denver was going to take the 1st receiver off the board with their first pick. There was also talk about how Tim Tebow was probably going to go in the second round. Now, we can discuss Demaryus vs. Dez all day, but I really don't have an opinion on that one way or another- if Denver's brass preferred Demaryus straight up, then so be it. But if Denver hadn't made any trades at all, had selected Dez Bryant at #11 and Tim Tebow with one of their two second rounders, then I don't think anyone would be talking about how they just had one of the worst drafts of anyone so far.Now look at the net result of all their trades. They got the first WR off the board with their 1st rounder. They got Tim Tebow with their second rounder. In addition, they also turned the #114 draft pick into the #87 draft pick (that's the net result of all their trades). Seems like a pretty solid day to me.I'm as critical of the McDaniels regime as anyone, but I think it's too early to hate Denver's draft so far- unlike last year, when it was absurd for Denver to be drafting an RB when they'd just signed 3 free agents, already had two capable holdovers, and had a defense in dire need of talent. And when it was equally absurd to be taking a 4-3 DE that had no position in the 3-4 they were converting to. Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

I really like this analysis. Makes perfect sense. I had a feeling that the 3rd's and the 4th stockpiled via trading down would end up being packaged to move back up, so I have no beef with that move.

 

[Wadsworth]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

I agree. I would have liked to trade back and still get him, but Alualu is a player and will be a force for the Jags for a long time. Alualu and Knighton are a sick young combo at DT, I'm happy.

 

[cobalt_27]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

I agree. I would have liked to trade back and still get him, but Alualu is a player and will be a force for the Jags for a long time. Alualu and Knighton are a sick young combo at DT, I'm happy.

Yeah, if you could have just held onto your jock until the 2nd Round by trading down and getting that pick and something else, that would have been a nice selection. Terrible value, though. Just terrible.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Jags apparently looking to move John Henderson

Smith indicated the Jaguars would entertain trade offers for Henderson, seemingly ready to part ways with him in exchange for an extra draft pick this weekend.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=trueHenderson probably had his worst season last year, but I'm still pretty shocked that the Jaguars decided to draft his replacement when they have so many other needs.

 

[Wadsworth]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

I agree. I would have liked to trade back and still get him, but Alualu is a player and will be a force for the Jags for a long time. Alualu and Knighton are a sick young combo at DT, I'm happy.

Yeah, if you could have just held onto your jock until the 2nd Round by trading down and getting that pick and something else, that would have been a nice selection. Terrible value, though. Just terrible.

Maybe. Or be could have gone the next pick, we'll never know. I seriously doubt he would have been available in the second round. The kid can play.

 

[SSOG]

Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

I don't have the time to address all of your post, but it is apparent you are not reading the tea leaves here. The other legitimate concern is taking Tim TeJesus in the 1st round. About as bad as taking Demaryius over Dez. Compound fracture of a draft. Both were just horrible decisions.

Again, though... if Denver had just stood pat and taken the "best receiver on the board" with their 1st rounder and only spent a 2nd on Tebow, I doubt anyone would be calling it the worst draft. That's essentially what they did... except, oh yeah, they picked up an extra 3rd rounder in the process.As for Demaryius over Dez... apparently Denver brass thought Dez was too thick to learn their complicated offensive scheme. Maybe they'll wind up being right, maybe they'll wind up being wrong, but it's not like they drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey with the 7th, here. They used a late first on a player projected to go in the late first who happened to play at a position of need. I'm not going to crucify them for it.

BTW, link to where you've been critical of anything about Denver?

Now you're talking about something you clearly know nothing about. I literally don't know where to begin.I've been plenty critical of Denver players, and have most notably taken non-stop flak over the years for being lower on Brandon Marshall than just about anyone else on the planet. I panned the selection of Jarvis Moss (and most especially the trade up to acquire him). I pretty much crucified Denver's draft last year. I called Bowlen an idiot for firing Shanahan, I've routinely singled out Denver's 2001-2004 drafts as one of the worst drafting periods I've ever seen any team have in recent memory. I called Tatum Bell overrated and incapable of shouldering a full load back before it was cool to call Tatum Bell overrated and incapable of shouldering a full load. Most notably, I have been consistently scathing in my criticisms of Josh McDaniels in a wide array of issues, including (but not limited to) the following:

[*]twice lying to Jay Cutler (and twice denying it)

[*]inheriting a team with an elite young offense and a putrid defense... and promptly deciding to blow up the offense.

[*]not even entertaining the idea of using certain talented young players like Scheffler or Royal

[*]firing the scouting department responsible for the biggest draft hot streak in the NFL in order to keep a capologist... just weeks before the draft.

[*]taking a quality running team, adding three runningbacks via free agency (with over $10 million guaranteed between them)... and still spending the #12 draft pick on another runningback

[*]switching to the 3-4 defense despite literally not having a single player on the roster better suited for the 3-4 than the 4-3

[*]drafting Robert Ayers despite the fact that he was mediocre in college and a poor fit for the 3-4

[*]trading a (likely high) future first for a short and slow CB

[*]spending a second round draft pick on a blocking TE when you already have the best blocking TE in the league on your roster

[*]admitting after the draft that he only put about 50 names on his draft board, especially after just firing the scouting department and drafting so terribly

[*]driving away the only good thing to happen to the defense in the past 3-4 years

Rather than going through my posting history and throwing 30 different links into this post, how about you pick which of those criticisms you'd like me to provide links to. Or you could just admit that you were talking out of your hindquarters and that there's absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume the fact that I'm a homer automatically means I'm a blind homer.

After last year's draft, I was rather vociferous in my disapproval. This year, though... I just don't see a reason to be. I don't have any problems with Denver's draft. History might show Thomas over Bryant and Tebow over Clausen to be terrible decisions. It might show them to be great decisions. I'm content to let history decide, because there were no mind-numbingly terrible decisions this year, like trading premium picks for long-shot prospects, or like reaching to draft an uninspiring prospect who doesn't even play at a position of need.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I love Tebow and really hope he does well. As much as I do dislike McDaniels, I do feel he'll be able to get everything out of Tebow that Tebow has to offer. I hope intangibles are more significant that we give credit, because if they're not Tim is going to be a disaster and set this franchise back even further.

As much as I didn't agree with Jacksonville or Denver, I can at least see the justification for the players they drafted. But Buffalo? I really don't understand that one. At all. That was the worst pick on day one.

 

[aaawall91]

Other: Cincinnati. Sucked.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Other: Cincinnati. Sucked.

No one seems to think this but Bengals fans. It's weird how opposed you guys are to a play-making TE.

 

[comfortably numb]

Other: Cincinnati. Sucked.

No one seems to think this but Bengals fans. It's weird how opposed you guys are to a play-making TE.

This isn't the Jets taking Kyle Brady at 1.9

 

[Black]

I was stunned to see AJ reach so high to get Ryan Matthews. Couldn't he have gone in around 18 to do that? Uggg. Like the back ok, but he's Ryan Grant, not LT. Still, it looks like it didn't cost too much to move up (mostly player Tim Dobbins and swapped some later picks.)

Buffalo...like they are using daddy's credit card with that pick. Luxury pick? Really? That high in the draft? Hell, at least take Clausen and tease us that you might be trying to improve your club. Or, trade back and take Spiller at 14-15.

Jacksonville...whatever. Someone should debug their value-calculating program, because they seem to surprise each year.

Denver...I am still hoarse from screaming WWWHHAAA??!!!! In all honesty, my stomach still hurts from laughing so hard at McDaniels picks and overall handling of the last year. They worked SO hard in the early trades then blew their wad jumping back in to get Teebow. Whatever. There are some nice summaries here in this thread, but I just am not buying stock in McDaniels. He's like that kid that tries waaay to hard to prove he's smart.

It may be genius, but he has ALOT to prove. Either he's the second coming of Bill Walsh or the Broncos will be moving to Los Angeles in a few years.

St. Louis...good luck with that. They should have taken a McNabb and bumped down to take Suh or someone. I see Bradford as injured and inconsistent. God help him if they throw him behind that line this year.

Dallas...what do you do with Roy and his $45 mil now? Like the pick, hate the situation you dug for yourself beforehand. But not that expensive to take a great player.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

But Buffalo? I really don't understand that one. At all. That was the worst pick on day one.

Who should Buffalo have drafted in your opinion? Most mocks had us taking Bulaga (slid to #23), Dan Williams (slid to #26) or Clausen (slid out of the first round).RB wasn't a burning area of need, but when a team is as devoid as talent as ours is, it seems reasonable to take the BPA and build from there, and at least we got good value on the pick. This isn't Donte Whitner.

 

[gianmarco]

But Buffalo? I really don't understand that one. At all. That was the worst pick on day one.

Who should Buffalo have drafted in your opinion? Most mocks had us taking Bulaga (slid to #23), Dan Williams (slid to #26) or Clausen (slid out of the first round).RB wasn't a burning area of need, but when a team is as devoid as talent as ours is, it seems reasonable to take the BPA and build from there, and at least we got good value on the pick. This isn't Donte Whitner.

While not the "can't miss" guy that Peterson was, this is similar to asking why Minnesota used the #7 overall pick on him when they had a very capable RB in Chester Taylor. Because teams shouldn't and often don't draft by need in the early 1st round.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Buffalo...like they are using daddy's credit card with that pick. Luxury pick? Really? That high in the draft? Hell, at least take Clausen and tease us that you might be trying to improve your club. Or, trade back and take Spiller at 14-15.

Buffalo. You guys really should have used the #9 pick on a guy who lasted until the second round. That would have been good value. Or at least trade back to 14-15 so my team could have grabbed Spiller when we traded up to #12. How dare you.

Fixed.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

It's all hindsight now, but I truly wish that STL would have gone with the only sure thing in the draft... N. Suh. Now they would be sitting with the 2.01 and low and behold, J. Clausen and C. McCoy are still on the board. THAT would have been sweet.

 

[fatness]

I almost feel like McDaniels is trying to prove how smart he is by making extremely controversial decisions. That's been a theme throughout his entire brief regime. "I like Matt Cassel more than Jay Cutler." "Eddie Royal sucks. Jabar Gaffney is money.""Moreno is a franchise back worth a top 15 pick." "Yea, Richard Quinn is definitely worth a second round pick.""Dez who? No thanks. I'll take the guy who ran three routes in college.""Tim Tebow is a first round QB."

And in a year or 2 some other Denver head coach will be stuck with the debris from decisions. People can say what they want about Denver improving their Day 2 draft position with the trading yesterday, but it wasn't necessary for Denver to make bad draft choices in the 1st round.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I say Denver simply because I do NOT believe in spending first round picks on projects. Period. You need "sure things" in the first round. Reaching for Tebow just isn't smart.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

Couldn't agree more. I think they joined that rare breed of team who passed on the obvious transcendent, game-changing talent to address a position of need with an adequate solution. This smacks of George Rogers over Lawrence Taylor, or Johnny Lam Jones over Anthony Munoz. I know there are Big Daddy Wilkinsons out there too, and every transcendent talent doesn't pan out, but you're doing your franchise and your fans a much bigger service by betting *on* them, instead of *against* them.Suh or Bradford...either way, the Rams were going to suck again this year. I don't fault them for not seeing Clausen falling. But they had to know they'd be in position at the top of the draft next year anyway. With Suh and Locker or some such? Heading into the future, they'd be a force to contend with. With Bradford and God-knows-what? I sincerely believe they head into the future with all kinds of question marks, and a shell-shocked, overwhelmed QB who may or may not still have his arm attached to its shoulder.I hated Denver's draft, but I'd be more optimistic about my team's future if I were a Bronco fan than if I were a Ram fan. At least Tebow will provide plenty of interesting storylines.I thought JAX did fine. Not great value, and sure, they could have traded down, but I'll never bash a team for moving up and getting a guy they like, providing the guy seems like a player to me.

 

[domvin]

Other: Cincinnati. Sucked.

No one seems to think this but Bengals fans. It's weird how opposed you guys are to a play-making TE.

This isn't the Jets taking Kyle Brady at 1.9

You're right, Gresham has talent, but they could have had Sheffler for a 4/5th rounder, and taken BPA at the 21 spot. Dez would have been a plum pick.....or take a stud DT like Dan Williams.Lining up Dez, Ocho, Antonio, with Sheffler at TE would have been solid. The Bengals have no idea how to handle draft/personnel decisions. A DL rotation of Peko, Williams, Tank, would have helped as well.They passed up value twice

 

[Honda]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

I agree. I would have liked to trade back and still get him, but Alualu is a player and will be a force for the Jags for a long time. Alualu and Knighton are a sick young combo at DT, I'm happy.

Yeah, if you could have just held onto your jock until the 2nd Round by trading down and getting that pick and something else, that would have been a nice selection. Terrible value, though. Just terrible.

How do you know they didn't try? I bet they did since their clock almost went to zero. When they couldn't trade the pick, why not take the player they liked and one that in a high likelihood wouldn't be there at their second pick?

 

[fightingillini]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

I agree. Why not take the more sure thing in Suh and you take McCoy or Clausen in the 2nd? Now STL couldn't be sure Clausen would have been available, but everyone was pretty sure that McCoy would be available at 2.01.Bradford could be a stud in the NFL, but he's not a sure thing, as is many QBs drafted that high.....the bust rate is high for top 10 drafted QBs.

 

[Honda]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

I agree. Why not take the more sure thing in Suh and you take McCoy or Clausen in the 2nd? Now STL couldn't be sure Clausen would have been available, but everyone was pretty sure that McCoy would be available at 2.01.Bradford could be a stud in the NFL, but he's not a sure thing, as is many QBs drafted that high.....the bust rate is high for top 10 drafted QBs.

But not really for #1 overalls:

No. 1 draft pick QB’s have done well overallToo many people dwell on the busts, the quarterbacks who flopped after being tabbed No. 1 overall. But there have been 18 quarterbacks drafted first overall since 1965. It’s too soon to pass judgment on Detroit’s promising young Matthew Stafford, who was the top choice last year. But what of the 17 quarterbacks who preceded Stafford as No. 1 overall? Seven have won a total of 14 Super Bowls. Four are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and another (Peyton Manning) is a lock for induction. The 17 quarterbacks drafted No. 1 overall have combined to take their teams to the playoffs 61 times. — St. Louis Post-Dispatch

 

[Wadsworth]

I liked the Jaguars pick.

I agree. I would have liked to trade back and still get him, but Alualu is a player and will be a force for the Jags for a long time. Alualu and Knighton are a sick young combo at DT, I'm happy.

Yeah, if you could have just held onto your jock until the 2nd Round by trading down and getting that pick and something else, that would have been a nice selection. Terrible value, though. Just terrible.

How do you know they didn't try? I bet they did since their clock almost went to zero. When they couldn't trade the pick, why not take the player they liked and one that in a high likelihood wouldn't be there at their second pick?

Gene Smith has already said he tried to trade out, the theory is that teams didn't want to trade into the "top 10". In hindsight the Jags would have been better off losing that coin flip with Denver for the 10/11 spot.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

I don't have the time to address all of your post, but it is apparent you are not reading the tea leaves here. The other legitimate concern is taking Tim TeJesus in the 1st round. About as bad as taking Demaryius over Dez. Compound fracture of a draft. Both were just horrible decisions.

Again, though... if Denver had just stood pat and taken the "best receiver on the board" with their 1st rounder and only spent a 2nd on Tebow, I doubt anyone would be calling it the worst draft. That's essentially what they did... except, oh yeah, they picked up an extra 3rd rounder in the process.As for Demaryius over Dez... apparently Denver brass thought Dez was too thick to learn their complicated offensive scheme. Maybe they'll wind up being right, maybe they'll wind up being wrong, but it's not like they drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey with the 7th, here. They used a late first on a player projected to go in the late first who happened to play at a position of need. I'm not going to crucify them for it.

They also gave up Brandon Marshall to move up to get Tebow; they got back a 2011 second. So it's more like using your first pick on D. Thomas, your second pick on a swing the fences pick at a position where you have no need, and giving up your star WR and getting back a 3rd rounder and a 2011 second. Doesn't sound very good to me for a team that allowed 25.5 PPG in their last 11 games and 30.5 PPG in their last 4 games. Yes, I'm using multiple end points to objectify the fact that the Broncos defense stinks, and all they've done to improve their D is trade their one playmaker on offense.At 24, they could have drafted Dan Williams. At 25, they could have taken Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourtey, or gone with Jerry Hughes or Sergio Kindle. Or taken the 3-4 DE in Jared Odrick that they desperately, desperately need. I doubt most fans even in the Shark Pool could name a single one of Denver's starters on the DL last season. Can you imagine if they came out of round 1 with Dan Williams and Jared Odrick and owned picks #43 and #45 in the second round, a super high third round pick (#70), two more thirds, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth? They could have easily packaged some of those later round picks to grab three or four more impact players. Hell they could have traded up to take Hughes or Kyle Wilson in addition to Odrick. Now THAT would have been a defensive overhaul and a great way to build your team.

Instead, the offense genius trades three of his best four offensive players within 15 months of being hired, and then uses all of his new picks on offensive players last night? I didn't realize the McDaniels system needs to invest so many high picks on offense to work.

(Oh, and I don't know how D. Thomas is going to go from running 3 routes to running 50 in McDaniels' complicated offense; if Thomas ever pans out, it will probably be for a new coach in year 3 or 4 of his career.)

 

[rascal]

Yes, Oakland and Detroit not even listed.Jacksonville with a HUGE reach.Denver paid an absolute ton for Tebow and took Demaryius over Dez.

I can understand Demaryius over Dez.I don't have a problem with Denver's trade (especially value wise), but I hate the pick.

 

[Chase Stuart]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

I agree. Why not take the more sure thing in Suh and you take McCoy or Clausen in the 2nd? Now STL couldn't be sure Clausen would have been available, but everyone was pretty sure that McCoy would be available at 2.01.Bradford could be a stud in the NFL, but he's not a sure thing, as is many QBs drafted that high.....the bust rate is high for top 10 drafted QBs.

The bust rate is much, much higher for non-first round QBs. And I can understand St. Louis not liking McCoy and Clausen, if that's the case. Personally I think McCoy is very overrated; people are infatuated with Drew Brees and he's nowhere near as good. I like Clausen as a player, but can understand why others wouldn't. If that's the case, their left without many options at QB (unless they want to go sleeper late, which has the highest bust rate you could possibly imagine).

 

[rascal]

Right now, the only real criticisms seem to stem from Demaryus over Dez, and that's certainly an issue we won't know the truth of until we have the benefit of hindsight.

I don't have the time to address all of your post, but it is apparent you are not reading the tea leaves here. The other legitimate concern is taking Tim TeJesus in the 1st round. About as bad as taking Demaryius over Dez. Compound fracture of a draft. Both were just horrible decisions.

Again, though... if Denver had just stood pat and taken the "best receiver on the board" with their 1st rounder and only spent a 2nd on Tebow, I doubt anyone would be calling it the worst draft. That's essentially what they did... except, oh yeah, they picked up an extra 3rd rounder in the process.As for Demaryius over Dez... apparently Denver brass thought Dez was too thick to learn their complicated offensive scheme. Maybe they'll wind up being right, maybe they'll wind up being wrong, but it's not like they drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey with the 7th, here. They used a late first on a player projected to go in the late first who happened to play at a position of need. I'm not going to crucify them for it.

They also gave up Brandon Marshall to move up to get Tebow; they got back a 2011 second. So it's more like using your first pick on D. Thomas, your second pick on a swing the fences pick at a position where you have no need, and giving up your star WR and getting back a 3rd rounder and a 2011 second. Doesn't sound very good to me for a team that allowed 25.5 PPG in their last 11 games and 30.5 PPG in their last 4 games. Yes, I'm using multiple end points to objectify the fact that the Broncos defense stinks, and all they've done to improve their D is trade their one playmaker on offense.At 24, they could have drafted Dan Williams. At 25, they could have taken Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourtey, or gone with Jerry Hughes or Sergio Kindle. Or taken the 3-4 DE in Jared Odrick that they desperately, desperately need. I doubt most fans even in the Shark Pool could name a single one of Denver's starters on the DL last season. Can you imagine if they came out of round 1 with Dan Williams and Jared Odrick and owned picks #43 and #45 in the second round, a super high third round pick (#70), two more thirds, two fourths, a fifth and a sixth? They could have easily packaged some of those later round picks to grab three or four more impact players. Hell they could have traded up to take Hughes or Kyle Wilson in addition to Odrick. Now THAT would have been a defensive overhaul and a great way to build your team.

Instead, the offense genius trades three of his best four offensive players within 15 months of being hired, and then uses all of his new picks on offensive players last night? I didn't realize the McDaniels system needs to invest so many high picks on offense to work.

(Oh, and I don't know how D. Thomas is going to go from running 3 routes to running 50 in McDaniels' complicated offense; if Thomas ever pans out, it will probably be for a new coach in year 3 or 4 of his career.)

Hopefully McD gets ####-canned in 1-2 years.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Gene Smith has already said he tried to trade out, the theory is that teams didn't want to trade into the "top 10". In hindsight the Jags would have been better off losing that coin flip with Denver for the 10/11 spot.

This is what really bothers me about this. If teams were trading up to 11, 12, and 13 he should have been able to talk someone into a sweetheart deal for 10. It shouldn't have mattered whether or not the Jaguars got value for the pick. Wayne Weaver isn't going to be worried about points on the pick value chart when he's signing Tyson's enormous paychecks. Take a 1st and a 2011 7th if you have to, just get out of 10.

 

[FavreCo]

Right now, ya gotta go with Denver. Jax has failed miserably at the QB spot over the last few years but they didn't compound the situation. They didn't address it but they also didn't make it worse. Denver did....and paid a lot to do so.

 

[daveR]

Other: Cincinnati. Sucked.

No one seems to think this but Bengals fans. It's weird how opposed you guys are to a play-making TE.

Cinci was my first thought. Hard to imagine a team being so complete that a TE would have the biggest impact.

 

[LHUCKS]

Tebow was a joke of a pick...it's moves like that which motivate me to send my resume into some NFL front offices.

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

I agree. Why not take the more sure thing in Suh and you take McCoy or Clausen in the 2nd? Now STL couldn't be sure Clausen would have been available, but everyone was pretty sure that McCoy would be available at 2.01.Bradford could be a stud in the NFL, but he's not a sure thing, as is many QBs drafted that high.....the bust rate is high for top 10 drafted QBs.

But not really for #1 overalls:

No. 1 draft pick QB’s have done well overallToo many people dwell on the busts, the quarterbacks who flopped after being tabbed No. 1 overall. But there have been 18 quarterbacks drafted first overall since 1965. It’s too soon to pass judgment on Detroit’s promising young Matthew Stafford, who was the top choice last year. But what of the 17 quarterbacks who preceded Stafford as No. 1 overall? Seven have won a total of 14 Super Bowls. Four are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and another (Peyton Manning) is a lock for induction. The 17 quarterbacks drafted No. 1 overall have combined to take their teams to the playoffs 61 times. — St. Louis Post-Dispatch

That blip paints an unfairly rosy picture.A number of those Super Bowls were won by the likes of Jim Plunkett and Steve Young, who were unqualified train wrecks for the teams that drafted them, and only found success later in their careers as reclamation projects. If Bradford follows the same career trajectory, it would be a disaster for the Rams.A number more of your SB's and HOF's so drastically predate the present era that the science of drafting, salary management, and team composition has little if anything in common with the era in which that happened. See: Bradshaw, Namath.In the last two decades, we're looking at a list like Jeff George, Drew Bledsoe, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, Michael Vick, David Carr, Carson Palmer, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Jamarcus Russell...Really, in the modern day, unless you're picking a Manning, taking a QB #1 seems to give you considerably worse odds than a crap shoot.

 

[Honda]

Really, in the modern day, unless you're picking a Manning, taking a QB #1 seems to give you considerably worse odds than a crap shoot.

Indianapolis didn't really even know they were "picking a Manning" when they picked Manning.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

St Louis hands down. They spent a 1st on a guy they didn't really love, is not NFL ready, and will be thrown to the wolves. They set the franchise back 3-5 years tonight, and they will be locked in a contract like what Oakland did with Russell.

What? Where did you hear they didn't really want him? And isn't it a little too early to declare that they sent the franchise back 3-5 years? Shouldn't we at least let the kid play a down first? Honestly, it was a controversial pick with such a hyped player like Suh sitting there and there are going to be detractors, just like there have been detractors when they passed over QBs like Ryan and Sanchez to draft... guess what.. linemen! The Rams didn't want McCoy or Claussen, Bradford is their guy, they think he's special and they decided they would rather build a team around a QB rather than a DT.

 

[Reaper]

When a team could have landed Dez Bryant and Dan Williams and instead ended up with Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas, I don't think it can get much worse.

IMO, this will rival ALL TIME worst 1st rounds... Just mind boggling.IMO, it drives me nuts when my team drafts "Project Players" early and grabs Character guys WAY over talent... But, when you waste Draft picks in the process it makes it Off the Charts Horribly WRONG.Just too much talent in this draft to chase Project players and waste picks...