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Worst case scenario for Tampa Bay (1 Viewer)

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With the draft a couple of days away alot of buzz has pointed Morris Claibourne now maybe being the pick for the Minnesota Vikings. If this happens and assuming Cleveland lands Richardson with the #4 where does Tampa Bay look at with the #5?

I don't think they look Blackmon. They might look at Fletcher Cox or reach for Stephen Gilmore and I am sure they would oove to trade back at that point but it takes 2 to tango.

What would your prediction be of what would happen in this very realistic scenario?

(please dont just say trade down)

 
Trade down would be option #1.

Having said that, they would go BPA and take Kalil. They aren't a Super Bowl contender in 2012 anyway, and buidling solid pieces of a franchise would be the best way to go. They don't need Blackmon, so I don't think they consider him. Having said all that, I'd be surprised if Mo Claiborne isn't the pick at 5.

 
I think it was Marv levy who said "never apologize for drafting who you really want WHERE you can (where your pick is)."

So, thinking of that in terms of what they need, I would say they need Stephon Gilmore if those guys are gone and I would try to trade down and get him lower but if they are stuck in that spot, take him, by all means. Because those Bucs are going to have to deal with Brees, Newton and Ryan and all those good receivers for a while. Its truly what they need.

 
Regarding the CB spot, don't forget that they signed Eric Wright to a pretty large contract (37.5 million w/$15.5 million guaranteed over the next five years).

Doesn't mean they don't need someone opposite him other than the ancient Barber, but still.

 
I think the Vikings are banking on the fact TB will trade up to #3 to get either Claiborne or Richardson. Probably not going to work but it is worth a shot to see if they panic a little at the thought of both of them being gone before the Bucs pick.

 
I remember awhile back there was some tension between Penn and the Bucs. If that could still resurface, I'd be ok with the Bucs going Kalil and parting ways with Penn at some point in the near future.

Otherwise, it's gotta be defense with that pick and they need to fill pretty much every position in the back 7, so BPA in the back 7 imo.

 
I've been thinking for a couple weeks now that Kuechly could be the pick at 5, maybe even if Claiborne is still there. Other than Richardson falling to 5, I think Claiborne and Richardson going 3 and 4 could actually be the best case scenario for Tampa. Kalil being available would make it much more likely they could trade down. I'd love to see the Bills trade up and the Bucs end up with Kuechly at 10 (and get an extra 2nd).

But even if the Bucs can't trade down, I'd be very happy with Kuechly at 5.

 
'gump said:
McShay has the Bucs selecting Kuechly at #5 now.
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Interesting. Don't know why I didn't think of it before now.I read a quote the other day (forget who) that Kuechly is the best coverage linebacker that person had ever seen. That's exactly what the Bucs (and a lot of other teams) are looking for these days. They do have to match up against Tony Gonzalez, Jimmy Graham, and Greg Olsen twice each this year.
 
Makes absolutely zero sense to draft a LB that early. That's not a blue-chip position, and the draft is deep with them. Really it's an easy choice of Kalil-Richardson-Claiborne.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Makes absolutely zero sense to draft a LB that early. That's not a blue-chip position, and the draft is deep with them. Really it's an easy choice of Kalil-Richardson-Claiborne.
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It doesn't make absolutely zero sense. It was sensible for the Broncos to take Von Miller at #2 last year. Patrick Willis should have gone higher than #11. Urlacher went #9.You take game changers where you can get them.
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Makes absolutely zero sense to draft a LB that early. That's not a blue-chip position, and the draft is deep with them. Really it's an easy choice of Kalil-Richardson-Claiborne.
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Thinking like that is what makes teams draft players like Gaines Adams over Adrian Peterson. If Kuechly is a stud LB for the next 12 years (like I think he will), it doesn't matter what pick he gets taken.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Makes absolutely zero sense to draft a LB that early. That's not a blue-chip position, and the draft is deep with them. Really it's an easy choice of Kalil-Richardson-Claiborne.
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It doesn't make absolutely zero sense. It was sensible for the Broncos to take Von Miller at #2 last year.

Patrick Willis should have gone higher than #11.

Urlacher went #9.

You take game changers where you can get them.
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Exactly. It makes all kinds of sense. Tampa probably has the worst LB unit in the NFL right now. Kuechly is a tackling machine and I read the same report Andy did regarding his coverage skills. We're now entering the Schiano era. Guess which position he played? If Kuechly becomes a stud middle LB and the face of this defense he's more than worthy of the #5 pick and nobody will care that Tampa allegedly reached for him.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they drafted him over Claiborne.

Mayock:

"He is one of the 10 best players in the draft. Historically, inside linebackers are not valued mostly because they get replaced in sub downs in sub packages and nickel packages. He's the opposite and his strength lies in the pass game. He's the best pass-dropping inside linebacker I've ever seen in college football. He's has instincts and speed. There's real value there because he's a three-down linebacker."

The way he prepares, he's into it every time. Very rarely have I seen him ever have an off day or an hour. He's into it, he's looking to get better. He's a gentleman off the field, but on the field, he's just what you would want out of a football player. He's got a competitive streak in him, he's got a little edge to him, he's a little irritable."
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So you like Kuechly. Fine. Why not trade down? Current mocks have him falling to Carolina at 9 or Zona nabbing him at 13. There's an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder in there somewhere if the Bucs want to find it.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
So you like Kuechly. Fine. Why not trade down? Current mocks have him falling to Carolina at 9 or Zona nabbing him at 13. There's an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder in there somewhere if the Bucs want to find it.
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With who? For who? Carolina is only 4 picks away. If they really want him, they run the risk of someone jumping ahead of them to get him or having Jacksonville or Miami take a chance.Miami especially could use him since they're going to play more 4-3 and play the Pats twice a year.
 
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Yeah. They should go BPA in their eyes whether it be Kalil, Kuechly, Gilmore, or someone else. As far as Kalil goes, their tackles are average starters so its not like they'd be replacing a very good start if they drafted Kalil.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
So you like Kuechly. Fine. Why not trade down? Current mocks have him falling to Carolina at 9 or Zona nabbing him at 13. There's an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder in there somewhere if the Bucs want to find it.
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I'm all for it. You have to have a partner though. Miami can sit tight for Tannehill. I'm still hoping someone loves Blackmon and wants to move in front of St. Louis. There would have to be teams salivating over Kalil in this scenario as well, but you might miss out on Kuechly if the Bills are your trade partner at #10.Honestly, if they just take Kalil they arguably have the best offensive line in the NFL on paper. That's not a bad place to be either.There is no "worst case scenario" here. The Bucs are in a pretty good spot.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Raiderfan32904 said:
So you like Kuechly. Fine. Why not trade down? Current mocks have him falling to Carolina at 9 or Zona nabbing him at 13. There's an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder in there somewhere if the Bucs want to find it.
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With who? For who? Carolina is only 4 picks away. If they really want him, they run the risk of someone jumping ahead of them to get him or having Jacksonville or Miami take a chance.Miami especially could use him since they're going to play more 4-3 and play the Pats twice a year.
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Yeah you can't really trade down any further then six if you want Kuechly. Jacksonville is desperate to trade down. McShay said he is hearing that Kuechly will very likely be Carolina's pick at nine. Carolina could easily trade up two spots to seven to secure him(if say Tampa traded with Miami). Basically, it'd be a huge risk to trade down if Kuechly is the player Tampa Bay covets at five.
 
I'm all for the Bucs taking Kuechly at 5 if Richardson & Claiborne are gone.

They can take Kalil and perhaps have one of the best o-lines in the league, but what good is that when the offense doesn't see the field more than 20 minutes per game. You saw what happened last year..........opponents ran up and down the field on the Bucs and ate up the clock. Tampa doesn't have a quick-strike offense to counter that. Grab Kuechly at 5 to clog up the middle from the TEs in the NFC South.

 
'Cawbird said:
I'm all for the Bucs taking Kuechly at 5 if Richardson & Claiborne are gone.They can take Kalil and perhaps have one of the best o-lines in the league, but what good is that when the offense doesn't see the field more than 20 minutes per game. You saw what happened last year..........opponents ran up and down the field on the Bucs and ate up the clock. Tampa doesn't have a quick-strike offense to counter that. Grab Kuechly at 5 to clog up the middle from the TEs in the NFC South.
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I think you're missing a point in here. In many cases offensive lines make the runner. The way Houston was pushing people around last year you could have had Cedric Benson throw up a 1400-yard season. Nothing against Foster, he's a beast, but the guy did go undrafted. Do you think Foster would be a top 3 RB on people's boards if he was on the Titans (they had the worst rated run blocking last year)? I'm gonna go ahead and say hell no. Chris Johnson may not have been 100% back in form, but guess what happens when you have the worst run blocking unit? You aren't a top back anymore.I'd be ecstatic to get Nicks and Kalil both in one offseason, focus on defense the rest of the draft, and make the running game work with Blount and/or another running back prospect.
 
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Obviously I'm biased...and I am no draft guru...but I love the pick. Leadership, physicality, experience....in a position of a HUGE need. He played a solid freshman year, 2 very good middle years, and an incredible senior year.

 
Awful pick. I'm really disappointed that they didn't grab Claiborne. Add in the fact that they only got a 4th in return, and I'm just shocked by how bad this move was.

I hope I'm wrong, but... smh.

 
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It's funny, the Bucs got the least of any of the teams trading down so far and they were the only team that gave up a player that seemed like a perfect fit to do it.

 
Bucs have added a crapload of talent this offseason. Nicks, VJax, Barron, Martin, Wright and Okoye. Hot damn.

 
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