Would a Jets/Bears Superbowl (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Awesome]

Big Ben and Rodgers would be pretty epic. They're two of the best qb's in football. But Cutler and Sanchez? Cutler has his moments of being above average (even flirts with good now and then). But for the most part he's nothing great. Sanchez looks awful. As in bottom 16 qb's in the NFL awful.

The game would still be good as both teams have a good defense. But this has to be one of the worst qb matchups of the modern era.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

FTR, Bears are my 2nd favorite team (folks are from Chicago and I've always had a soft spot for Da Bears). But just because I'm a quasi-fan doesn't mean I can't be objective.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

You might be able to say that at this very moment, but both guys are top 11 first round draft picks, and both are still pretty early in their careers. At the time, you could probably say Brady/Delhomme was an awful QB matchup, and look at what Brady has done since. I think both Cutler and Sanchez will continue to develop into very good QBs, but I suppose you are right, at this moment, it looks like a pretty unspectacular matchup.

 

[Wu-banger]

You have to admit that Cutler is one of the most talented QBs in the league.... not much he cant do , but his head just isnt screwed on straight.

Sanchez has physical limitations but is still young...

 

[DesmondBishop]

Would you take Jake Delhomme over Cutler? What about Sexy Rexy? I personally would take Cutler over either of them, I am not sure on Sanchez yet, but he has played pretty well in the playoffs so far.

Or do you mean matched up vs each other the 2 worst QB's? To me it's a tough call unless you just mean in terms of how the QB looks in the big picture of the NFL overall.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Big Ben and Rodgers would be pretty epic. They're two of the best qb's in football. But Cutler and Sanchez? Cutler has his moments of being above average (even flirts with good now and then). But for the most part he's nothing great. Sanchez looks awful. As in bottom 16 qb's in the NFL awful. The game would still be good as both teams have a good defense. But this has to be one of the worst qb matchups of the modern era.

If you check the Cutler thread that's still on page one here in the Shark Pool, you'll see that the numbers that Cutler has put up in his young career is up there with some of the all time greats.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Would you take Jake Delhomme over Cutler? What about Sexy Rexy? I personally would take Cutler over either of them, I am not sure on Sanchez yet, but he has played pretty well in the playoffs so far.

Delhomme went against Tom Brady. Sexy Rexy went against Peyton Manning.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

 

[Man In The Box]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

Came to post this.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As some one above said, at this point in time both QBs are young and not yet "established", but perhaps this may be the jumping off point for both and looking back it would not seem so bad.

Also consider:

Matt Hasselbeck v. Ben Roethlisberger - With hindsight, not so bad. At the time a mediocre vet against a young game manager.

Trent Dilfer v. Kerry Collins - 'nuff said.

In many other years, there was at least one "bad" QB in the matchup such as: Neil O'Donnell; Stan Humphries; Jeff Hostetler; Tony Eason; David Woodley; etc.

Afterall who was Tom Brady when he faced the Rams?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

came to post this.But man Cutler does get a bad rap, he is very very talented

 

[DrJ]

McMahon/Eason

 

[njherdfan]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

 

[Chuck the Roc]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

could argue 2002, gannon and brad johnson, even tho i personally love gannon

 

[Da Guru]

I think Cutler has a really good skill set and could have success on many teams. Sanchez may be a decent QB one day but right now he is the Jets only glaring weakness.

 

[Man In The Box]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

could argue 2002, gannon and brad johnson, even tho i personally love gannon

Didn't Gannon win the NFL MVP that year?

 

[AB in DC]

McMahon/Eason

Or Plunkett-Jaworski

 

[Dr. Awesome]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

 

[need2know]

I think Cutler has a really good skill set and could have success on many teams. Sanchez may be a decent QB one day but right now he is the Jets only glaring weakness.

and that weakness passed for 3 Tds twice against the pats this year. Of course the other game he sucked but come on. Sanchez is really good for a young QB. If you cant see that, just remember he has played two years and taken the jets to 2 AFC championship games.

 

[faulknromos]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

could argue 2002, gannon and brad johnson, even tho i personally love gannon

Didn't Gannon win the NFL MVP that year?

Was 37 and threw for almost 300 yards a game.

 

[knickstorm]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

could argue 2002, gannon and brad johnson, even tho i personally love gannon

Didn't Gannon win the NFL MVP that year?

and didn't brad johnson lead the NFC in passer rating that year? people have bad memories....sanchez has a career 92.2 playoff passer rating in 5 playoff road games...he's coming off a 123 somthing passer rating game against the patriots, a team many considered to be the best team in football before yesterday....what more do people want? have him throw for 350 yards to go along with the 3 touchdowns?if you want to say his game isn't sexy or explosive that's true, but to call him awful is ridiculous.......unless you're a hall of famer at this moment, half the people on this forum think you're garbage.

 

[JD8p]

I think Cutler and Sanchez are both young, talented QB's.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

This is the only other Super Bowl that can compare.

could argue 2002, gannon and brad johnson, even tho i personally love gannon

Didn't Gannon win the NFL MVP that year?

Was 37 and threw for almost 300 yards a game.

So?Gannon's best 4 years are pretty comparable with Cutler's only 4 years as a starter.The main difference is that Gannon has 12 years of total suckitude surrounding those 4 years.

 

[faulkfan]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

That was exactly my very first thought. That Super Bowl was pathetic for offense, but great for getting murderers SB rings.

 

[knickstorm]

So?Gannon's best 4 years are pretty comparable with Cutler's only 4 years as a starter.The main difference is that Gannon has 12 years of total suckitude surrounding those 4 years.

doesnt matter, we're not comparing careers here, we're comparing qb matchups at the timeif daunte culpepper actually made a superbowl with the vikings, and hypothetically let's say they played the pats and brady........that would've still been a great qb matchup even though culpepper has since spiraled.

 

[buck naked]

Cutler is a VERY talented QB who REFUSES to use proper mechanics. If he would ever throw the right way in the pocket, he'd be great.

Sanchez is getting better and better. That throw he made to Holmes for the TD yesterday was perfect. He wouldn't be my first choice at QB, but he has had success.

So to answer your question....NO.

 

[Oh the Humanity]

How 'bout

Morrall vs. Morton (1970)

Theismann vs. Woodley (1982)

 

[flapgreen]

 

[Debeucci]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

Ok....I'll bite. Name the more talented active QBs in the league than Cutler.

I'll help you start off.

Manning

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Vick

Next?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

Ok....I'll bite. Name the more talented active QBs in the league than Cutler.

I'll help you start off.

Manning

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Vick

Next?

RiversBig Ben

Eli

Bradford

 

[Debeucci]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

Ok....I'll bite. Name the more talented active QBs in the league than Cutler.

I'll help you start off.

Manning

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Vick

Next?

RiversBig Ben

Eli

Bradford

Rivers? Possibly. I put them on par with each other.Big Ben? Possibly. Having a better team for the past decade helps, but I'd put them in the same level as well.

Eli? No.

Bradford? Now I know you're joking.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

Ok....I'll bite. Name the more talented active QBs in the league than Cutler.

I'll help you start off.

Manning

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Vick

Next?

RiversBig Ben

Eli

Bradford

Rivers? Possibly. I put them on par with each other.Big Ben? Possibly. Having a better team for the past decade helps, but I'd put them in the same level as well.

Eli? No.

Bradford? Now I know you're joking.

Ill let non- homer biased people talk on Rivers. We are talking "talent" here are we not? I think Bradford is more Talented than cutler.

I think Cutler and Eli is pretty close

 

[Brunell4MVP]

2 clearly stand out:

Woodley - 12 TDs, 13 Ints, QB Rating 63

Theismann - 13 TDs, 9 Ints, Rating: 90

Dilfer - 12 TDs, 11 Ints, Rating: 77

Collins - 19 TDs, 16 Ints, rating: 83

I'd argue the first is worse. Theismann became adequate later, but until that year Theisman's best season rating was around 75 and he had only 1 year with more TDs than Ints. Woodley speaks for itself. He never had a season (only played 6) with more TDs than Ints. The Fins were 25th in total offense that season.

Just awful.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

What do you mean by talented? Who is more talented than Cutler? He has an absolute cannon and he's a pretty mobile QB as well. Do you mean would it be a matchup of two unproductive QBs?

Many qb's.

Ok....I'll bite. Name the more talented active QBs in the league than Cutler.

I'll help you start off.

Manning

Brady

Brees

Rodgers

Vick

Next?

RiversBig Ben

Eli

Bradford

FreemanSchaub

Romo

 

[jdswan922]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

:( this

 

[Debeucci]

Yes. Yes it would. Cutler and Sanchez are awful.

Yes, because we'd all rather just pine for Tebow. I'd rather have Cutler over Schaub, Romo, Freeman, Eli, Bradford.Big Ben and Rivers I have on the same approximate levelManning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Vick I have as clearly superior.And tbh, jury is still out on Bradford and Freeman. There simply isn't enough information out on them to rank as that great of talents. How do you know they're not the next Derek Andersons with one hit wonders?

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Yes. Yes it would. Cutler and Sanchez are awful.

Yes, because we'd all rather just pine for Tebow. I'd rather have Cutler over Schaub, Romo, Freeman, Eli, Bradford.Big Ben and Rivers I have on the same approximate levelManning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Vick I have as clearly superior.And tbh, jury is still out on Bradford and Freeman. There simply isn't enough information out on them to rank as that great of talents. How do you know they're not the next Derek Andersons with one hit wonders?

So you believe Cutler is in the running to be the 5th best qb in the NFL?

 

[Debeucci]

Yes. Yes it would. Cutler and Sanchez are awful.

Yes, because we'd all rather just pine for Tebow. I'd rather have Cutler over Schaub, Romo, Freeman, Eli, Bradford.Big Ben and Rivers I have on the same approximate levelManning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Vick I have as clearly superior.And tbh, jury is still out on Bradford and Freeman. There simply isn't enough information out on them to rank as that great of talents. How do you know they're not the next Derek Andersons with one hit wonders?

So you believe Cutler is in the running to be the 5th best qb in the NFL?

The discussion isn't best qb, the discussion is most talented, and yes, I'd have him somewhere between 6-10th with Rivers, Ben, Cutler somewhere in the 2nd half of the top 10.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

What is the difference between most talented and best? Does Cutler have one of the stronger arms? Sure. But it takes a lot more than a cannon to equal most talented. Decision making and mechanics play a role as well...and in that regard he's weak.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Yes. Yes it would. Cutler and Sanchez are awful.

Yes, because we'd all rather just pine for Tebow. I'd rather have Cutler over Schaub, Romo, Freeman, Eli, Bradford.Big Ben and Rivers I have on the same approximate levelManning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Vick I have as clearly superior.And tbh, jury is still out on Bradford and Freeman. There simply isn't enough information out on them to rank as that great of talents. How do you know they're not the next Derek Andersons with one hit wonders?

So you believe Cutler is in the running to be the 5th best qb in the NFL?

The discussion isn't best qb, the discussion is most talented, and yes, I'd have him somewhere between 6-10th with Rivers, Ben, Cutler somewhere in the 2nd half of the top 10.

I agree that Cutler is talented he has top10 talent IMO. I thikn Bradford has all world talent though and IMO Rivers and Bigben are clearly more talented. He is in the next tier with Eli, Schaub. Id take Cutler over Romo.

 

[tdmills]

Much easier to say that when Sanchez and Cutler are so young.

Let them have their careers and then see.

Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Stan Humpries, Neil O'donnell. Many QB's haven't had great careers, yet let their teams to the big dance.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

they're better than Trent Dilfer vs. Kerry Collins...

Came to post this.

Me too.I think Cutler is a pretty good QB.

 

[mphtrilogy]

sanchez is in his 2nd year as a player, played only 16 games in college, so has about 50 games under his belt...

2nd year pro!

and he is 4-1 in the playoffs

this week if he wins, he will be the all time leader in playoff road wins!

read that again, all-time leader

2nd year player!?!

I don't get the hate for sanchez

have you seen him play in these games?

yes he is wildly inconsistent at times, and he is for sure learning on the job.

but the guy has guts, makes plays when it counts most (did I mention a 4-1 playoff record?), is very elusive has a pretty strong arm, and did I mention he has guts.

As a jets fan, I could not be more happy with him at qb, as parcells always liked to say, you are what your record says you are..

and to paraphrase what used to be said about chris carter, all he does is catch tds..., and thats all mark sanchez does, win playoff games.

 

[Don Quixote]

I don't think it would even be Bottom 5 worst.

 

[geoff8695]

Cutler takes an awful lot of crap for a guy who has put up prolific stats at an early age. Besides the historically impressive stats, he oozes unmistakeable talent. Dude just ran for two TDs and threw for two more and put up a QB rating of 111.3 in his first ever playoff appearance. Yet he gets a thread marked by the emoticon.

 

[tdmills]

Cutler takes an awful lot of crap for a guy who has put up prolific stats at an early age. Besides the historically impressive stats, he oozes unmistakeable talent. Dude just ran for two TDs and threw for two more and put up a QB rating of 111.3 in his first ever playoff appearance. Yet he gets a thread marked by the emoticon.

I think Sanchez leading his team to the AFC Title game two seasons in a row as a #6 seed shows more by the end of season 2 than Cutler.

 

[geoff8695]

Cutler takes an awful lot of crap for a guy who has put up prolific stats at an early age. Besides the historically impressive stats, he oozes unmistakeable talent. Dude just ran for two TDs and threw for two more and put up a QB rating of 111.3 in his first ever playoff appearance. Yet he gets a thread marked by the emoticon.

I think Sanchez leading his team to the AFC Title game two seasons in a row as a #6 seed shows more by the end of season 2 than Cutler.

Sanchez has shown an ability to step up his game in the playoffs, but Cutler has NEVER enjoyed a defense, as good as Sanchez's, prior to 2010 (not to mention the o line and surrounding skill position talent ALONG with said defense). By comparison the FIRST time Cutler has enjoyed playing with a real defense he has taken HIS team to the NFC Championship, despite playing behind the worst o-line in the NFL and with lesser surrounding skill position talent than Sanchez. Put Jay Cutler on the Jets, and they become the favorite to win the Super Bowl.Factually speaking, the two best QBs of this post-season will be playing in Chicago at 2PM CST on Sunday, and IMO neither one has an offensive line as talented as the NY Jets.Aaron Rodgers is averaging 273 passing and 8.5 rushing yds/gm with 3.5 TDs/gm and a QB rating of 134.5 Jay Cutler is averaging 274 passing and 43 rushing yds/gm with 4TDs/gm and a QB rating of 111.3by comparisonMark Sanchez is averaging 192 passing and 2.5 rushing yds/gm with 1.5 TDs/gm and a QB rating of 91.6Perhaps a new thread should be started asking if the CHI/GB matchup is the best Conference Championship matchup of starting QBs since the Cowboys/49ers duels of Aikman vs. Young back in the early 90s...

 

[BassNBrew]

Yes. Yes it would. Cutler and Sanchez are awful.

Yes, because we'd all rather just pine for Tebow. I'd rather have Cutler over Schaub, Romo, Freeman, Eli, Bradford.

Big Ben and Rivers I have on the same approximate level

Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Vick I have as clearly superior.

And tbh, jury is still out on Bradford and Freeman. There simply isn't enough information out on them to rank as that great of talents. How do you know they're not the next Derek Andersons with one hit wonders?

Don't destory your argument with statements like this.

 

[BassNBrew]

Cutler takes an awful lot of crap for a guy who has put up prolific stats at an early age. Besides the historically impressive stats, he oozes unmistakeable talent. Dude just ran for two TDs and threw for two more and put up a QB rating of 111.3 in his first ever playoff appearance. Yet he gets a thread marked by the emoticon.

I think Sanchez leading his team to the AFC Title game two seasons in a row as a #6 seed shows more by the end of season 2 than Cutler.

Well then Dilfer must be far superior with that ring. Sanchez has a far better team around him than Cutler has had during his career.