Would Philadelphia select Andrew Luck (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

This team just lacks any type of cohesion. They are a couple of key injuries away from being mentioned along with the dregs of the league. The question of Luck has come up when mentioning teams like Indy and KC, but what if Philly somehow slid so precipitously that they found themselves with the first pick in the 2012 draft? Would they take Luck? I think they would. And I think it would be absolutely the right now.

 

[gigantor]

i would hope so

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

 

[loose circuits]

now that you it isn't cost prohibitive to trade the pick, I'm betting that's what they would do

the giants lost to the seahawks today. So they are 2.5 games out of the division and who thinks Wash will keep it up?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Philadelphia isn't going to come anywhere near the #1 overall pick. Come on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Since Philly will win at least 6-7 games, and teams like Miami and Indy are destined for 1-15 or worse, it's a moot point.

 

[jojoh07]

stupid thread

 

[GoBirds]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

 

[Amused to Death]

Since Philly will win at least 6-7 games, and teams like Miami and Indy are destined for 1-15 or worse, it's a moot point.

I don't think they get the first pick, but they are 1-7 in their last 8 games.

 

[ponchsox]

They won't have the #1 pick and they invested their entire franchise on Vick.

 

[davidbostonsbicepsfan]

I think they do get the first pick and select the OT from USC.

 

[Fantasy Man]

They won't be in the running, but yes, if they do get the pick, they will select Luck. Vick's contract is structured such that they have a cap friendly out after 2013. So worst case scenario, Luck would sit for 2 years. But more than likely, he'd sit 1 year and they'd find a way to trade or cut Vick after 2012.

And Luck wouldn't be prohibitively expensive because of the new CBA.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

 

[Wu-banger]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

This....Even NE and GB take Luck.....the value is just too high .Look at what bums like Cassell and Kolb brought in a trade..

 

[davidbostonsbicepsfan]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

...but everyone else in the division is better. Their QB can hit an open target.

 

[Amused to Death]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

From today's game broadcast; there have been 100 1-4 teams since 1990...5 have made the playoffs.So they have a chance.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

...but everyone else in the division is better. Their QB can hit an open target.

Can't win, especially in the NFC East, if you can't stop the run. Phili isn't having major problems scoring points. They can't stop anyone right now.I think if they had the first pick they would try to trade down and reload on defense.

 

[Sabertooth]

If I'm in the top 10, I'm probably selecting a QB every year. Like somebody mentioned above, they bring a king's ransom in trade value and they don't even have to show anything before doing so.

 

[Homer]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

 

[renesauz]

If AR is still the coach...they trade back...GAURENTEED.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

From today's game broadcast; there have been 100 1-4 teams since 1990...5 have made the playoffs.So they have a chance.

Have a chance at what? Not making the playoffs? Sure, but get the Luck thingy out of your head.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

Carolina does and thanks him for not coming out this year.

 

[Homer]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

The new rookie rules makes it easy for a team to sit on a player now. They won't be giving the moon for the first overall pick as in years past.

 

[JuniorNB]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

 

[Amused to Death]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

From today's game broadcast; there have been 100 1-4 teams since 1990...5 have made the playoffs.So they have a chance.

Have a chance at what? Not making the playoffs? Sure, but get the Luck thingy out of your head.

Hey Hoss...I'm replying to you saying you wouldn't be surprised if they made the playoffs. I gave stats that only 5 of 100 1-4 teams have made it. I sarcastically added "they have a chance" meaning playoffs. The "Luck thingy" has never entered my head.

 

[Homer]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

Wanna bet?

 

[loose circuits]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

...but everyone else in the division is better. Their QB can hit an open target.

did you happen to catch any of the NYG v Sea game today?

 

[EBF]

Nothing against the Colts, but I am pulling for the Dolphins simply because they've been awful for about 10 years in a row.

 

[Homer]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

The new rookie rules makes it easy for a team to sit on a player now. They won't be giving the moon for the first overall pick as in years past.

I'm pretty sure rookie contracts are shorter in exchange for the lower initial salaries (NBA style)??? If a player is sitting into their 4th year they're in Darko Milicic contract balloon payment limbo?

 

[JuniorNB]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

Wanna bet?

No. But if you don't think the colts would take Luck after their 36 year-old QB misses a year with a major neck surgery, then you're just not that bright.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

From today's game broadcast; there have been 100 1-4 teams since 1990...5 have made the playoffs.So they have a chance.

Have a chance at what? Not making the playoffs? Sure, but get the Luck thingy out of your head.

Hey Hoss...I'm replying to you saying you wouldn't be surprised if they made the playoffs. I gave stats that only 5 of 100 1-4 teams have made it. I sarcastically added "they have a chance" meaning playoffs. The "Luck thingy" has never entered my head.

I stand corrected then.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

Wanna bet?

No. But if you don't think the colts would take Luck after their 36 year-old QB misses a year with a major neck surgery, then you're just not that bright.

 

[theoneandonly]

Eagles will still win 6 games. Theres to much talent on the roster for them to land the top pick. Sorry eagles fans your not bad enough to get the number1.

 

[Homer]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

Wanna bet?

No. But if you don't think the colts would take Luck after their 36 year-old QB misses a year with a major neck surgery, then you're just not that bright.

I didn't say they wouldn't take Luck. I said what do you do with Manning? I doubt they let Luck simmer for 3PLUS years...

 

[renesauz]

Philly's looked bad...but look who they've lost to. Buffalo and San Fran have shown they're both much better than anyone expected. Losses in Atlanta and to the Giants aren't exactly cause for embarassment. This Eagles team is obviously nowhere near as good as expected, but talk of a top 10 pick is ludicrous. This is exactly the type of team and early schedule that could overcome a 1 -4 start to earn a playoff berth. (Note could, not will.)

 

[cobalt_27]

stupid thread

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I don't think any team passes on Luck.

So, what do the Colts do? Manning has 3+ studly years left?

He sits the bench like Rodgers did and takes over for Manning in 2015.

That'd be 3 (and I'd say 3 PLUS) years on the bench, and with the new rookie contract rules, I don't think that'd make sense?

There's no guarantee Manning even has one more studly year in him.

Wanna bet?

No. But if you don't think the colts would take Luck after their 36 year-old QB misses a year with a major neck surgery, then you're just not that bright.

I didn't say they wouldn't take Luck. I said what do you do with Manning? I doubt they let Luck simmer for 3PLUS years...

Sure they would. In case you didn't know that used to be the norm. I also thought it was refreshing and good for Rodgers that he sat behind Favre for a few years.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Before this year I would have said it was nuts when teams select QBs with their first round pick because it usually takes a few years for a qb to learn (aside as trade bait). If you took the entire population of first round pick QBs, I warrant less than 25% were savvy enough to be considered a "good" nfl qb within 3 years. The Mannings and Newtons and Breeses are the exceptions.

Indy is a different situation though. People, I think, are underestimating the possible severity of Peyton Manning's injury. There is no guarantee he EVER comes back from this. There is no "working" your way back from nerve damage. It either heals, or it doesn't. And from the sounds of it, it isn't healing very well if he is going and getting T-Cell treatment overseas.

Moreover, his family has a history of spinal disorders (check why his other brother stopped playing football in high school). I know the two spinal conditions are not related per se, but it points to a possible weakness genetically in the spine.

I pray that it is not the case that Manning's career is over. He was probably the greatest QB I have ever seen and I hope to see him play for years to come. But there is the real chance that it is career ending. If you listen to him carefully, he is at peace with that possibility also.

Therefore, I think it would be wise for the Colts to select Luck if they have the chance.

And no, Hoss, I dont want to "bet you" on whether or not any player's career is over.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Before this year I would have said it was nuts when teams select QBs with their first round pick because it usually takes a few years for a qb to learn (aside as trade bait). If you took the entire population of first round pick QBs, I warrant less than 25% were savvy enough to be considered a "good" nfl qb within 3 years. The Mannings and Newtons and Breeses are the exceptions.

Indy is a different situation though. People, I think, are underestimating the possible severity of Peyton Manning's injury. There is no guarantee he EVER comes back from this. There is no "working" your way back from nerve damage. It either heals, or it doesn't. And from the sounds of it, it isn't healing very well if he is going and getting T-Cell treatment overseas.

Moreover, his family has a history of spinal disorders (check why his other brother stopped playing football in high school). I know the two spinal conditions are not related per se, but it points to a possible weakness genetically in the spine.

I pray that it is not the case that Manning's career is over. He was probably the greatest QB I have ever seen and I hope to see him play for years to come. But there is the real chance that it is career ending. If you listen to him carefully, he is at peace with that possibility also.

Therefore, I think it would be wise for the Colts to select Luck if they have the chance.

And no, Hoss, I dont want to "bet you" on whether or not any player's career is over.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I never mentioned the word "bet" anywhere in this thread.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Before this year I would have said it was nuts when teams select QBs with their first round pick because it usually takes a few years for a qb to learn (aside as trade bait). If you took the entire population of first round pick QBs, I warrant less than 25% were savvy enough to be considered a "good" nfl qb within 3 years. The Mannings and Newtons and Breeses are the exceptions.

Indy is a different situation though. People, I think, are underestimating the possible severity of Peyton Manning's injury. There is no guarantee he EVER comes back from this. There is no "working" your way back from nerve damage. It either heals, or it doesn't. And from the sounds of it, it isn't healing very well if he is going and getting T-Cell treatment overseas.

Moreover, his family has a history of spinal disorders (check why his other brother stopped playing football in high school). I know the two spinal conditions are not related per se, but it points to a possible weakness genetically in the spine.

I pray that it is not the case that Manning's career is over. He was probably the greatest QB I have ever seen and I hope to see him play for years to come. But there is the real chance that it is career ending. If you listen to him carefully, he is at peace with that possibility also.

Therefore, I think it would be wise for the Colts to select Luck if they have the chance.

And no, Hoss, I dont want to "bet you" on whether or not any player's career is over.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I never mentioned the word "bet" anywhere in this thread.

My mistake. That was Homer. Steamed me and I lost track of the quote in the thread. I apologize.

 

[Bri]

we so need a pinned thread for links to all Luck threads

 

[Deamon]

LOL, Philly isn't going to be able to select Luck. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the playoffs.

Plenty of division games left for them to catch up with. And QB is not the problem in Philadelphia. I doubt a QB would help them stop the run.

...but everyone else in the division is better. Their QB can hit an open target.

Can't win, especially in the NFC East, if you can't stop the run. Phili isn't having major problems scoring points. They can't stop anyone right now.I think if they had the first pick they would try to trade down and reload on defense.

This. I know he is too much value to pass up at #1, but I would also say he has too much value to TAKE at #1. A team like Philly who has invested so much in a QB and such holes on D, couldn't afford to not trade that pick. With the new CBA, I think if a non-qb needy team gets #1 pick, they're gonna get crazy return on that pick (perhaps 3 first rounders). Philly would likely trade down and take the top 2 LB's in the draft and still have picks leftover.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Since Philly will win at least 6-7 games, and teams like Miami and Indy are destined for 1-15 or worse, it's a moot point.

By strict definition, it isn't yet. But overall, you are correct. There really isn't a very relaistic scenario where Philly even comes close to "competing" for the No. 1 pick. There are just too many worse teams than them in the league right now.

The "what would Indy do?" discussion is far more interesting.

 

[Dought Man]

Its threads and discussions like this that make this place great. Now, what if the Packers get the #1...would they take Luck?

 

[Jason Wood]

All the snarkiness aside, it's a perfectly valid CONVERSATION thread guys. If you don't like the thread, then don't jump into it.

Look, as an Eagles fan, while I certainly agree the odds of us being in the Luck sweepstakes are slim, I also think it's fair to ask the question of any 1-4 team, particularly one with glaring holes that appear unfixable.

Putting to bed all the "Philly won't lose that many games" viewpoints, let's say for the sake of conversation Philly does finish with a chance to draft Luck. Would they? I think they ABSOLUTELY would, whether it was Andy still in charge or, more likely, the new head coach.

 

[renesauz]

All the snarkiness aside, it's a perfectly valid CONVERSATION thread guys. If you don't like the thread, then don't jump into it.Look, as an Eagles fan, while I certainly agree the odds of us being in the Luck sweepstakes are slim, I also think it's fair to ask the question of any 1-4 team, particularly one with glaring holes that appear unfixable. Putting to bed all the "Philly won't lose that many games" viewpoints, let's say for the sake of conversation Philly does finish with a chance to draft Luck. Would they? I think they ABSOLUTELY would, whether it was Andy still in charge or, more likely, the new head coach.

Can't see it...new coach or not. The holes are on defense. Even if you aren't sold on Vick long-term, he's at worst an above average starter. Then you've still got a kid currently at backup that's shown at least some flashes. If you're in that spot, you can trade back for (presumably in the new CBA) multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. If you don't like Kafka, you could draft a defensive player to fill a hole and STILL get a 1st or 2nd round QB to stash and learn behind Vick.It's a theoretical with near 0% chance of happening....but even if it happened the odds of taking Luck are also close to nil.

 

[Reepicheep]

It's a silly question, but I think Philly would trade the #1 for a bazillion picks if it came down to it.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

All the snarkiness aside, it's a perfectly valid CONVERSATION thread guys. If you don't like the thread, then don't jump into it.Look, as an Eagles fan, while I certainly agree the odds of us being in the Luck sweepstakes are slim, I also think it's fair to ask the question of any 1-4 team, particularly one with glaring holes that appear unfixable. Putting to bed all the "Philly won't lose that many games" viewpoints, let's say for the sake of conversation Philly does finish with a chance to draft Luck. Would they? I think they ABSOLUTELY would, whether it was Andy still in charge or, more likely, the new head coach.

Can't see it...new coach or not. The holes are on defense. Even if you aren't sold on Vick long-term, he's at worst an above average starter. Then you've still got a kid currently at backup that's shown at least some flashes. If you're in that spot, you can trade back for (presumably in the new CBA) multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. If you don't like Kafka, you could draft a defensive player to fill a hole and STILL get a 1st or 2nd round QB to stash and learn behind Vick.It's a theoretical with near 0% chance of happening....but even if it happened the odds of taking Luck are also close to nil.

I would say, unless they couldn't trade down, ABSOLUTELY they would not. One thing Phili is great at is maximizing their Budget : Roster talent.I'm not saying that Luck wont be a transcendent talent at QB. I just don't see Phili going there for the money. Too easy to sign a veteran qb and still fill out all the holes in the roster. Also not sure if you are noticing, but the league is quickly filling up with many quality Qbs that never get hurt. Its a trend that is likely going to continue with colleges going to more pro sets and the league bending over backwards to protect the QB position. Just saying. Much more value at other positions, especially going forward.Edit to Add: Can't teach 6'6 340 lbs with speed. Can't teach 4.2 40's. That is where value will be IMHO going forward in the draft as the league accumulates quality QBs.