Would you draft Bush + McAllister (1 Viewer)

[Z-Dog]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

 

[duaneok66]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

in other words, you're saying that it's irrelevant that they are on the same team . . .

 

[AnonymousBob]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

Agreed. If they were the best picks when your turn came up and they filled a need, I wouldn't think twice about grabbing them. It's not a strategy I would have in mind before the draft but if it turned out that way it wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I would have no problem drafting/starting both on a weekly basis. Bush is a RB1 (stud in PPR) and Deuce is a legit RB2. Bye week is only issue.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

in other words, you're saying that it's irrelevant that they are on the same team . . .

it is not irrelevant. I wouldnt want to start both at rb1/rb2 in the same week

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I would have no problem drafting/starting both on a weekly basis. Bush is a RB1 (stud in PPR) and Deuce is a legit RB2. Bye week is only issue.

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

in other words, you're saying that it's irrelevant that they are on the same team . . .

it is not irrelevant. I wouldnt want to start both at rb1/rb2 in the same week

Really new staffer? I wouldnt want "all my eggs" in the same basket so to say in any given week, especially tough matchups

 

[duaneok66]

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

in other words, you're saying that it's irrelevant that they are on the same team . . .

it is not irrelevant. I wouldnt want to start both at rb1/rb2 in the same week

I was responding to lions327 . . . I assume you wouldnt draft both of them . . .

 

[KellysHeroes]

I would not want both as a #1 and #2

Now if I drafted Bush rd 1, go RB/WR(or QB) or WR(or QB)/RB then landed Duece as my #3 in a mid to lat 4th.. I would take it.

With the Marv and Wayne thread... I would be comfortable w/ them as #1 and #2...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I would have no problem drafting/starting both on a weekly basis. Bush is a RB1 (stud in PPR) and Deuce is a legit RB2. Bye week is only issue.

Inspired by the Harrison+Wayne thread, would you draft Bush and McAllister? Assume a PPR league.

I would if they both presented great value. I would not go out of my way to pick them both, nor would I go out of my way to avoid them. It's all about value.

in other words, you're saying that it's irrelevant that they are on the same team . . .

it is not irrelevant. I wouldnt want to start both at rb1/rb2 in the same week

Really new staffer? I wouldnt want "all my eggs" in the same basket so to say in any given week, especially tough matchups

I think it depends on a lot of things. In a PPR league, Bush and Deuce would be great. Bush is a top 5 RB and Deuce is a legit RB2. This was a general question by the original poster and in most cases, I would be fine with it. It says PPR so I answered as a PPR league.As to tough matchups, the Saints are lucky to not have to worry about it. According to the handy-dandy FBG SOS, the first "tough" matchup for the Saints' RBs is week 9. There are only two "tough" matchups for the season, and one is week 17 when most leagues are done. They have 5 good matchups and only 2 tough ones. Here is the link: http://footballguys.com/articles/07sosrb.htm

I can say that in my PPR leagues that start 3+ RBs, I would start both Saint RBs each week without another thought. Would I make substitutions based on matchups? Yes, but that would be the case for other players as well.

 

[Scorehoard]

Isn't it what we like to call a handcuff. YEAH

 

[Z-Dog]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.

I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

 

[duaneok66]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.

I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost.

I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

excellent posting . . . Pittman may take the on the role you describe if Deuce goes down . . .

 

[Tau837]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

Completely disagree. Many here continue to underrate Bush's ability to succeed as a NFL RB.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

Completely disagree. Many here continue to underrate Bush's ability to succeed as a NFL RB.

He has great ability, but within the content of the NO offense, Bush has his role. I expect his ypr to incresae this year. This is the NFL and though I think he could do it, it's probalby not best for the team or Reggie to pound him with 250 - 300 carries.He did split time with Lendale White before to, remember?

 

[Tau837]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

Completely disagree. Many here continue to underrate Bush's ability to succeed as a NFL RB.

He has great ability, but within the content of the NO offense, Bush has his role. I expect his ypr to incresae this year. This is the NFL and though I think he could do it, it's probalby not best for the team or Reggie to pound him with 250 - 300 carries.He did split time with Lendale White before to, remember?

I don't want to rehash this old discussion, but IMO the reason he shared time with White had more to do with the wealth of talent at USC than with a concern that Bush couldn't handle the load. I think that fact is irrelevant.I have posted on Bush and McAllister quite a few times in the offseason. Suffice it to say that I am one who believes that this year Bush will be better and will receive a larger share of the Saints' RB touches. So, yes, he has a role, which I believe will expand as it is. And you seem to be suggesting that if McAllister got hurt, Bush's role wouldn't change. No offense, but I think that notion is laughable.I see no evidence that he cannot succeed in a role similar to Marshall Faulk's with the Rams: 250-260 carries and 80-90 catches, and, in fact, that is what I expect from him whenever the time comes that he is able to claim a feature back share of the RB touches. If McAllister went down with an injury, that time would be now.

 

[Christo]

Isn't it what we like to call a handcuff. YEAH

 

[jonessed]

I don't think I would want either one as my #1 RB unless I had a notion that one of them would be getting significantly more touches. I guess that depends on your draft strategy though. #2 and #3? Sure.

 

[pmcdade]

1) I would not hesitate to draft McAllister because he is on the same team as Bush, assuming I drafted Bush. They can both have value in any given game.

2) I won't be drafting Bush anywhere near his ADP.

Prediction: McAllister will once again outscore Bush in normal scoring formats (non-PPR) and people will still waste a higher pick on Bush when McAllister can be had rounds later for good value. I made plenty of wagers betting that McAllister would outscore Bush last year, and I likely will again this year.

Also Bush scored less than 10 fantasy points (6 per TD 1 pt for 10 yards) TEN times last season. You can't start that kind of inconsistancy. McAllister scored less than 10 points only THREE times. If Bush didn't have his one 40+ point game, he'd have been the 29th RB last year. Even with it, he was 17th. How is this guy rated so high in ADP? Nothing has changed in New Orleans that I can see...

 

[Z-Dog]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

No doubt that Stecker would take some carries if Deuce got hurt, but I think NO would HAVE to expand Bush's role as well. It's one thing to give Deuce some 250-275 carries on the season, but if he went down, I think Stecker would see more like 150ish carries, and Bush would go up to about 290-300 carries from the about 200 I'm projecting him for right now.

 

[kensat30]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

Antonio Pittman anyone?

 

[creeps1313]

Last night I was thinking this same thing....and yes I would. In fact, Id like to have both of them.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

Completely disagree. Many here continue to underrate Bush's ability to succeed as a NFL RB.

He has great ability, but within the content of the NO offense, Bush has his role. I expect his ypr to incresae this year. This is the NFL and though I think he could do it, it's probalby not best for the team or Reggie to pound him with 250 - 300 carries.He did split time with Lendale White before to, remember?

I don't want to rehash this old discussion, but IMO the reason he shared time with White had more to do with the wealth of talent at USC than with a concern that Bush couldn't handle the load. I think that fact is irrelevant.I have posted on Bush and McAllister quite a few times in the offseason. Suffice it to say that I am one who believes that this year Bush will be better and will receive a larger share of the Saints' RB touches. So, yes, he has a role, which I believe will expand as it is. And you seem to be suggesting that if McAllister got hurt, Bush's role wouldn't change. No offense, but I think that notion is laughable.I see no evidence that he cannot succeed in a role similar to Marshall Faulk's with the Rams: 250-260 carries and 80-90 catches, and, in fact, that is what I expect from him whenever the time comes that he is able to claim a feature back share of the RB touches. If McAllister went down with an injury, that time would be now.

I think you missed my point, I thin Deuce would benefit more if Reggie goes down than vice versa.bush would definately get more touches if Deuce got hurt, But I think Payton maybe more inclined to keep reggie is his role and give Stecker/Pittman some of the load.

 

[Tau837]

What's interesting about it to me is that if either one gets injured, you immediately should get a boost in the numbers of the one who stays healthy. This means that your risk is a lot lower if you take both.I was actually thinking about a couple of years back, when Yudkin was backing taking both Holmes and LJ, even if LJ was costing a 5th-round pick. I was a big supporter of that idea, which carried many people to titles that year, as Holmes went down and LJ had the best 2nd-half, like ever. Here, the price for Deuce is a bit higher than LJ's was, but it's made up for b/c the price for Bush is a good bit lower than Holmes. Last year they combined for over 2500 yards, over 120 receptions, and 18 TDs. The Chiefs used to produce more TDs, but not as many receptions, so it's close. Yudkin, if you're reading, any thoughts in comparing these situations?

problem is I dont think Bush could take the every sunday pounding of being an NFL feature RB. I think someone like Stecker would still take carries if Deuce got hurt. The 2 NO backs play different positions almost. I think Deuce's value goes way up if Reggie gets hurt, but the same might not be true if Deuce goes down.

Completely disagree. Many here continue to underrate Bush's ability to succeed as a NFL RB.

He has great ability, but within the content of the NO offense, Bush has his role. I expect his ypr to incresae this year. This is the NFL and though I think he could do it, it's probalby not best for the team or Reggie to pound him with 250 - 300 carries.He did split time with Lendale White before to, remember?

I don't want to rehash this old discussion, but IMO the reason he shared time with White had more to do with the wealth of talent at USC than with a concern that Bush couldn't handle the load. I think that fact is irrelevant.I have posted on Bush and McAllister quite a few times in the offseason. Suffice it to say that I am one who believes that this year Bush will be better and will receive a larger share of the Saints' RB touches. So, yes, he has a role, which I believe will expand as it is. And you seem to be suggesting that if McAllister got hurt, Bush's role wouldn't change. No offense, but I think that notion is laughable.I see no evidence that he cannot succeed in a role similar to Marshall Faulk's with the Rams: 250-260 carries and 80-90 catches, and, in fact, that is what I expect from him whenever the time comes that he is able to claim a feature back share of the RB touches. If McAllister went down with an injury, that time would be now.

I think you missed my point, I thin Deuce would benefit more if Reggie goes down than vice versa.bush would definately get more touches if Deuce got hurt, But I think Payton maybe more inclined to keep reggie is his role and give Stecker/Pittman some of the load.

OK, perhaps I did miss your point... but you seem to be implying that Deuce might absorb all of Bush's load if Bush went down. Deuce had 244 carries last season and Bush had 155. Deuce had 30 receptions and Bush had 88. I feel safe in saying that if Bush tore his ACL tomorrow, Deuce wouldn't get 517 touches next season.So if either of them gets hurt, Stecker/Pittman are going to share the load, and the one who isn't hurt is going to get 100 or so more touches. I don't see Deuce getting a larger portion of the load without Bush than vice versa. Now, the nature of those touches would almost certainly be different - more rushes and fewer catches for Deuce if Bush was hurt and vice versa for Bush if Deuce were hurt.

 

[llogilvie]

Just thinking in terms of a keeper league and what lies ahead. Does anyone know what Deuce's contract situation is like for next year? Is it possible they ask him to take a pay cut or cut hm outright, leaving the feature role to Reggie in 2008 with Pittman sepelling him. Just curious, cause in a PPR keeper league, i'm having trouble between Addai and Reggie but if i knew Deuce's contract situation, that would help.

 

[Ned]

as rb1 & rb2? no way. they combined for a wopping 521 pts where lt had 536, sjax 457, and lj 433.

 

[Tau837]

Just thinking in terms of a keeper league and what lies ahead. Does anyone know what Deuce's contract situation is like for next year? Is it possible they ask him to take a pay cut or cut hm outright, leaving the feature role to Reggie in 2008 with Pittman sepelling him. Just curious, cause in a PPR keeper league, i'm having trouble between Addai and Reggie but if i knew Deuce's contract situation, that would help.

Previous post:

Here is McAllister's base salary info from nflpa.org:2006 1450000.00 2007 2600000.00 2008 3600000.00 2009 5200000.00 2010 6200000.00 2011 7100000.00 2012 8100000.00 I doubt McAllister's contract will stick after 2008, when he will be 30, and it's possible they could ask him to rework it after this season. I would expect him to be traded or cut, depending on how well he performs over the next two seasons (and how well Bush performs). Knowing that is coming, I'd expect the touches at RB to slowly shift more to Bush over the next two years...

 

[3nOut]

I was presented exactly this same situation in my draft last weekend. I own Bush as my keeper (we kep one per position) and was drafting from the 9-slot. Even in the first round, there wasn't much left in terms of quality for RB2s. Picking 9th I was planning on havng to decide between RBs such as Brandon Jacobs, Lynch, Julius Jones, and Brandn Jackson. I ws fortunte enough to have Deuce fall to me at 9. My only concern is the bye week, but i was still able to snag Lamont Jordan and Julius Jones in later rounds.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Well I already did, and my league is straight up TDs (no PPR or even Yardage issues going on)

It's an 8-teamer (yeah yeah well I don't run the thing) where we can protect up to 3 guys.

I kept SJax and Bush (probably shouldn't have but I never imagined I would have missed Maroney by doing so.

We start 5 skill dudes and can actually start up to 4 RBs (!) so well, that pretty much sets up my draft strategy.

Anyhow:

Keeper: SJax

Keeper: Bush

Effective #24: MJDrew

Effective #29: Peterson

After getting a WR and QB to fill out my main starters. Deuce is still there at 7.04 While it was tough taking him over Gates (no dedicated TE) I just couldn't pass him up with the #52 pick. (Getting Vinny Jackson at 14.04 (#108) takes some of the sting out of that to go with Rivers).

Having 'em both, however, I'm gonna be a bit hard pressed to start each of them, but I think I will if I believe the matchup is right.

-QG

 

[pghrob]

It happened to me this year.....twice.

In one redraft, 12-team PPR league, (6 pts./td, 0.1 pts. per yard), drafting out of the 11th spot, I drafted Reggie Bush. Deuce was still on the board so I had to grab him at 6.02.

In another redraft, non PPR, I drafted Bush at 2.03 and Deuce was there again, this time at 7.10. Both times, I did not plan on getting Deuce, but his value was there and I had to take advantage of it.

I have thought about starting both.