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Would you quit a league over this? (1 Viewer)
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Nate
Footballguy
HILARIOUS.Please tell those collaborating against you that I applaud their efforts. It's entertaining and good strategy.
That said, you should quit. You clearly aren't in the same league as your competition.
habsfan
Footballguy
If they did collude to do this, it probably has nothing to do with the $200 and everything to do with knowing you would pop a gasket over it.
They must have dropped something useful to snag all those QBs and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Quitting makes you look like a crybaby.
They must have dropped something useful to snag all those QBs and for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Quitting makes you look like a crybaby.
dhockster
Footballguy
Did you watch the office last night, too?
Nate
Footballguy
Awesome post
elshagon
Footballguy
I agree with an earlier poster, set position limits so there's always a starting QB available to pick up. Otherwise you're just going to have to deal with it and admit you made a mistake in regards to your roster. I don't think the other teams in your league did anything wrong, and obviously played within the rules. In our league an owner drafted 2 stud QB's just so he could use one as trade bait during the season, according to you this would be unfair because nobody should use any type of strategy you haven't thought of or hurt your chances to win. Fantasy football is about strategy and luck, and every owner seems to have a different strategy to win, sorry their strategy didn't fit into your game plans. 
FavreCo
Footballguy
I busted out laughing when I saw the :13 second mark (from work) and knew it was a fit.
Nate
Footballguy
I hope this has legs. I'd love to see more comparisons between fantasy football and sharing the bathroom with your Mom.
home alone
Footballguy
I'm sure...which is why I haven't had a league wide reaction - I'm ignoring it.As I said, our rosters/benches are so big that flukey IDPs or #4 WRs were probably dropped, very little value...nothing that would enter my starting lineup anytime soon, and nothing that was in theirs.
lyon812
Footballguy
The amusing thing is that the poll says: "I think hoarding players you obviously have no use for is great strategy"
Every player has a use, whether it be emergency backup, prospect, potential trade value to someone in need, etc. Just because they don't start for you that week doesn't make them useless.
Every player has a use, whether it be emergency backup, prospect, potential trade value to someone in need, etc. Just because they don't start for you that week doesn't make them useless.
Jewell
Footballguy
home alone
Footballguy
Ah yes, the old "they didn't break the rules" argument. Please look up sportsmanship and gamesmanship in the dictionary.
Jewell
Footballguy
home alone
Footballguy
I plucked that comment from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;p=9271827&
belljr
Footballguy
DONE!Main Entry: games·man·ship
Pronunciation: \ˈgāmz-mən-ˌship\
Function: noun
Date: 1947
1 : the art or practice of winning games by questionable expedients without actually violating the rules
2 : the use of ethically dubious methods to gain an objective
Are you for or against gamesmanship?
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
If it is collusion, it sucks that your "friends" would do this to you.BUT, if it happened to me in my "friends & money" league I'd take the high road - laugh it off, crack a joke at them, then do my best to make the playoffs and kick their ###es.Truth is, every team in your league has the same roster size, the same ability to pick up players and the same rules apply equally to everyone. There was no unfair advantage those owners had over you. They had to either drop players to make room for those QBs or they had to have empty spots already. You really have to ask yourself why you didn't plan for this week's QB a few weeks ago.
Get a grip, you are GAMBLING. These guys aren't churning, they are rostering players. Every team has the right to roster whatever players they desire, especially considering YOU HAVE NO LIMIT at each position. You have yet to address the reason you have deep rosters and no backup QB. You weren't prepared and are now screwed. Deal with it.
home alone
Footballguy
I drafted one, Delhomme, he may even be one of the 2 or whatever that is available, but the point is that the attempt by my friends was still made. Who gets satisfaction from that? Are those 3 going to like it if I don't make bye week subs during weeks 9 and 10 too? If they enjoy easy wins so much maybe they'll get even more entertainment out of a few more teams getting easy Ws in the coming weeks.MisfitBlondes said:How big are they that you forgot to draft a 2nd QB?
kentric
Footballguy
While it may very well be collusion on the part of the three other individuals, it would definately be difficult to prove. Even if it was collusion, they could easily say that there was a trickle down effect in taking QBs. The first guy took a couple QBs because the teams are deep and he wan't some potential trade fodder. The next guy sees the first one picking QBs and doesn't want to get stuck without a decent QB option (or may need one several weeks from now) so he picks a couple guys.
The third owner says, "he'll, there's a run on QBs, I better see if there's anything left because I know this guy who is going to be SOL because he doesn't have a backup - even though its a deep league. Boy is he going to be P.O.'d about this. Probably will even go to the FBGs Board and ##### about it. I can't wait to read up on this. haha"
The third owner says, "he'll, there's a run on QBs, I better see if there's anything left because I know this guy who is going to be SOL because he doesn't have a backup - even though its a deep league. Boy is he going to be P.O.'d about this. Probably will even go to the FBGs Board and ##### about it. I can't wait to read up on this. haha"
TLEF316
Footballguy
you have no number 2 QB (and you claim an open roster spot). No doubt you did this because Brady is a super stud and startable every week. you gained an advantage by doing this because you could use your roster spots to hoard players at other positions.
Your opponents used this against you. They were sick of you always having room to pick up fliers at WR and RB becuase you thought you had no need for a backup QB. Taken in a vacuum, its good strategy and something i would do.
That being said, if they all got together and said "hey, lets pick up all the QB's so he has to start a scrub. That will show him" its collusion and its not cool.
All things considered, you were only carrying 1 QB. Its a money league with huge rosters. It was a very stupid move (regardless of what you thought you would be available to pick up off the WW) If i were you, i'd be more embarassed than upset.
Your opponents used this against you. They were sick of you always having room to pick up fliers at WR and RB becuase you thought you had no need for a backup QB. Taken in a vacuum, its good strategy and something i would do.
That being said, if they all got together and said "hey, lets pick up all the QB's so he has to start a scrub. That will show him" its collusion and its not cool.
All things considered, you were only carrying 1 QB. Its a money league with huge rosters. It was a very stupid move (regardless of what you thought you would be available to pick up off the WW) If i were you, i'd be more embarassed than upset.
Titus Pullo
Footballguy
my mom had a bathroom put in the basement for me so we can avoid situations like that. you see, she thinks ahead and prepares. she also agrees that it's your fault but said you should quit the league so the others can find a more competitive owner.
That's what I don't get. Your rosters are so big that people are holding on to crap, yet you didn't see the need to let go of some of that crap to get a back-up QB. For Brady nonetheless, coming off of an injury year.I guess your particular roster was so loaded with studs from top to bottom that not one of them was worth letting go for the likes of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Alex Smith, Chad Henne, etc.
I'm also seeing too much vagueness in your comments to make me believe this scenario is real. Did they pick up 7 or 8 free agent QBs? You weren't sure in your original post. If it's only 7, then go get number 8. Flukey IDPs or #4 WRs were probably dropped? Why don't you check to make sure.
Sounds like someone's got too much time on his hands now that his time in the bathroom with Maxim only lasted 6 seconds.
That thread is completely different. The teams in that league did an add/drop to get all available players on waivers and not able to be picked up. You said that there are still a couple of QB that you can pick up. I would do so, pray for a miracle, and move on. I would also berate those other teams on the league message board and make a mental note to not let that happen again. It's not like this is the fantasy playoffs. Take your punishment and move on.I actually plucked my analogies and defenses from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9271827 Some of the other responses that I agreed with:"I can think of a reason why I would not do it. It's because I'm not a complete jackoff loser who would do this to my friend."
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"It's a total Bush-league move.
Add a transaction fee to stop this and various other kinds of transaction silliness."
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"If you were playing against someone who didn't care enough to replace players on a bye, it wouldn't be any fun. Why would actively preventing him from replacing those players be considered good strategy?"
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"It's a childish & an ####### thing to do.
Thankfully, no one in my league does that ####."
** waits for the responses that tell me churning isn't hoarding...**
If it bothers you, suggest a new league rule for next year that would prevent it. If it REALLY bothers you then decline to play next year if that rule isn't passed.
home alone
Footballguy
It's not different, the intent is the same: to prevent a team from having a player for a bye weekIs it really fun to play an inactive team that doesn't make bye week subs? So, why would it be fun to hoard players to prevent an active team from making a bye week sub?That thread is completely different. The teams in that league did an add/drop to get all available players on waivers and not able to be picked up. You said that there are still a couple of QB that you can pick up. I would do so, pray for a miracle, and move on. I would also berate those other teams on the league message board and make a mental note to not let that happen again. It's not like this is the fantasy playoffs. Take your punishment and move on.I actually plucked my analogies and defenses from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9271827 Some of the other responses that I agreed with:"I can think of a reason why I would not do it. It's because I'm not a complete jackoff loser who would do this to my friend."
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"It's a total Bush-league move.
Add a transaction fee to stop this and various other kinds of transaction silliness."
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"If you were playing against someone who didn't care enough to replace players on a bye, it wouldn't be any fun. Why would actively preventing him from replacing those players be considered good strategy?"
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"It's a childish & an ####### thing to do.
Thankfully, no one in my league does that ####."
** waits for the responses that tell me churning isn't hoarding...
If it bothers you, suggest a new league rule for next year that would prevent it. If it REALLY bothers you then decline to play next year if that rule isn't passed.
It's lame, we're all friends, I would never stoop so low, and most rational people who don't take fantasy football too seriously wouldn't either. I obviously over estimated the maturity levels of my league mates.
CravenM
Footballguy
Perhaps the opportunity has now arisen for you to plan more than 1 day in advance - perhaps a few weeks in advance.
i.e. go ahead and plan your defenses out to the end of the season so that you don't get stuck in the Super Bowl with the Titans defense away at the Colts (or whatever).
i.e. go ahead and plan your defenses out to the end of the season so that you don't get stuck in the Super Bowl with the Titans defense away at the Colts (or whatever).
Couple of lessons learned. Don't go through the season with only one QB on your roster. Also, don't underestimate the immaturity of a league of 14 year olds.You're #####ing about the lack of availability of startable QBs this week, and you're not even sure who's still available.It's not different, the intent is the same: to prevent a team from having a player for a bye weekIs it really fun to play an inactive team that doesn't make bye week subs? So, why would it be fun to hoard players to prevent an active team from making a bye week sub?That thread is completely different. The teams in that league did an add/drop to get all available players on waivers and not able to be picked up. You said that there are still a couple of QB that you can pick up. I would do so, pray for a miracle, and move on. I would also berate those other teams on the league message board and make a mental note to not let that happen again. It's not like this is the fantasy playoffs. Take your punishment and move on.I actually plucked my analogies and defenses from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9271827 Some of the other responses that I agreed with:"I can think of a reason why I would not do it. It's because I'm not a complete jackoff loser who would do this to my friend."
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"It's a total Bush-league move.
Add a transaction fee to stop this and various other kinds of transaction silliness."
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"If you were playing against someone who didn't care enough to replace players on a bye, it wouldn't be any fun. Why would actively preventing him from replacing those players be considered good strategy?"
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"It's a childish & an ####### thing to do.
Thankfully, no one in my league does that ####."
** waits for the responses that tell me churning isn't hoarding...**
If it bothers you, suggest a new league rule for next year that would prevent it. If it REALLY bothers you then decline to play next year if that rule isn't passed.
It's lame, we're all friends, I would never stoop so low, and most rational people who don't take fantasy football too seriously wouldn't either. I obviously over estimated the maturity levels of my league mates.
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CravenM
Footballguy
If you're all friends, then stay friends: Bros Before Sco's (scores)BTW, this reminds me of guys picking up handcuff RBs before the owner does during the draft (i.e. Darren Sproles, Chester T, Ladell Betts...)
It's a shark move and may pay off in the end - or it may just waste a roster spot for a long time.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
bonesman
Footballguy
If you don't take fantasy football too seriously then why are you so worried about it? Get back on the can and read some Maxim.
Jewell
Footballguy
Yeah, and you're not taking this too seriously? Let's do a recap -- to prove your point you have:1. Paid for a Footballguys membership;
2. Took the time to set up a poll to prove your point;
3. Have posted numerous times in defense of your position; and
4. Insulted everybody when they disgreed with your poistion.
Yeah, you're right, your friends are definitely the ones that are taking it too seriously.
home alone
Footballguy
Average age of league members is probably 28 y/o, college educated, etc.I'm unsure because I haven't cared to look at the site, but I see the add/drop emails that are sent to me, so I have a good idea.Couple of lessons learned. Don't go through the season with only one QB on your roster. Also, don't underestimate the immaturity of a league of 14 year olds.You're #####ing about the lack of availability of startable QBs this week, and you're not even sure who's still available.It's not different, the intent is the same: to prevent a team from having a player for a bye weekIs it really fun to play an inactive team that doesn't make bye week subs? So, why would it be fun to hoard players to prevent an active team from making a bye week sub?That thread is completely different. The teams in that league did an add/drop to get all available players on waivers and not able to be picked up. You said that there are still a couple of QB that you can pick up. I would do so, pray for a miracle, and move on. I would also berate those other teams on the league message board and make a mental note to not let that happen again. It's not like this is the fantasy playoffs. Take your punishment and move on.I actually plucked my analogies and defenses from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9271827 Some of the other responses that I agreed with:"I can think of a reason why I would not do it. It's because I'm not a complete jackoff loser who would do this to my friend."
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"It's a total Bush-league move.
Add a transaction fee to stop this and various other kinds of transaction silliness."
-----
"If you were playing against someone who didn't care enough to replace players on a bye, it wouldn't be any fun. Why would actively preventing him from replacing those players be considered good strategy?"
-----
"It's a childish & an ####### thing to do.
Thankfully, no one in my league does that ####."
** waits for the responses that tell me churning isn't hoarding...
If it bothers you, suggest a new league rule for next year that would prevent it. If it REALLY bothers you then decline to play next year if that rule isn't passed.
It's lame, we're all friends, I would never stoop so low, and most rational people who don't take fantasy football too seriously wouldn't either. I obviously over estimated the maturity levels of my league mates.
This wasn't done a day before, it was done over a week before. I planned to add one of the scrub QBs available on Tuesday when the waiver wire re opened. Waited because all of the scrubs are pretty comparable, and you never know when one of them will get injured/benched, so I just decided to wait until the week of.
FavreCo
Footballguy
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I disagree. The point of the thread is different. Churning is intentionally misusing a league rule. This is not misusing a rule. It is picking up players for the week that will increase your odds of winning. We do it every week (see Waiver Wire/Sleeper threads). This is picking up a player so that they are not used against you.Shorter rosters will greatly reduce the chance that this will happen in the future.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Didn't get the affirmation you were looking for huh?Looking forward to reading the rest of the responses from this point on...
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
I'm guessing most guys here don't live with their mother, Meathead.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Fixed
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BespokeJort
Footballguy
it is different. Churning is using a technicality to make a bunch of players he doesn't have room to roster unavailable, and thus screw over an intelligent owner who accurately gauged how many players would be available. Hoarding is using roster room you do have to screw over a moron/guppy who didn't plan aheadI love this threadIt's not different, the intent is the same: to prevent a team from having a player for a bye weekIs it really fun to play an inactive team that doesn't make bye week subs? So, why would it be fun to hoard players to prevent an active team from making a bye week sub?That thread is completely different. The teams in that league did an add/drop to get all available players on waivers and not able to be picked up. You said that there are still a couple of QB that you can pick up. I would do so, pray for a miracle, and move on. I would also berate those other teams on the league message board and make a mental note to not let that happen again. It's not like this is the fantasy playoffs. Take your punishment and move on.I actually plucked my analogies and defenses from this thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry9271827 Some of the other responses that I agreed with:"I can think of a reason why I would not do it. It's because I'm not a complete jackoff loser who would do this to my friend."
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"It's a total Bush-league move.
Add a transaction fee to stop this and various other kinds of transaction silliness."
-----
"If you were playing against someone who didn't care enough to replace players on a bye, it wouldn't be any fun. Why would actively preventing him from replacing those players be considered good strategy?"
-----
"It's a childish & an ####### thing to do.
Thankfully, no one in my league does that ####."
** waits for the responses that tell me churning isn't hoarding...**
If it bothers you, suggest a new league rule for next year that would prevent it. If it REALLY bothers you then decline to play next year if that rule isn't passed.
It's lame, we're all friends, I would never stoop so low, and most rational people who don't take fantasy football too seriously wouldn't either. I obviously over estimated the maturity levels of my league mates.
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CravenM
Footballguy
'Xactly. As bad as Jason Campbell was Monday night, he scored more than my starter, Kurt Warner.
home alone
Footballguy
...those two comments were clearly jokes.I'm guessing most guys here don't live with their mother, Meathead.
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CravenM
Footballguy
I'm guessing most guys here don't live with their mother, Meathead.
You owe me a new keyboard
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
LHUCKS called, he wants his sheepish do-over schtick back....those two comments were clearly jokes...that most of you took way too personal.I'm guessing most guys here don't live with their mother, Meathead.
Although I don't think the behavior is "good", its not illegal either. That said, there are ways to discourage this (or at least make owners have to consider whether or not it's worth it).
In my league, we have 10 free-agent pickups at no cost and every pick up after that costs $1 (trades are free). That way you don't have to outlaw the activity - just have to make sure those other owners feel its worth the $$$ to pick up guys they don't ever expect to play.
In my league, we have 10 free-agent pickups at no cost and every pick up after that costs $1 (trades are free). That way you don't have to outlaw the activity - just have to make sure those other owners feel its worth the $$$ to pick up guys they don't ever expect to play.
