Would you rather (Rookie Edition) (1 Viewer)

[socrates]

Would you rather (Dynasty Rookie Edition)

Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?

Conventional wisdom suggests Daniels over Maye. He is arguably in the better offense, plus his elite running skills could be a fantasy bonanza. However, I still believe Maye is ultimately the better passer. Short-term, give me Daniels, but long-term, I might lean Drake Maye.

J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?

I think they both (McCarthy and Nix) ended up in nearly ideal situations. Bo Nix should enjoy earlier success, but McCarthy inherits one of the best receiving corps in the league. Penix was drafted ahead of both, but most consider him a longer-term project as he learns behind Cousins. (I am not convinced Cousins will be the same QB post-Achilles injury, but time will tell.) Both Nix and Penix are more advanced at this stage, and I love the fit in Denver for Nix, but long-term, McCarthy is arguably the most intriguing.

Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?

Jaylen Wright appears to be an eventual Mostert replacement and brings fresh legs to the competition. He will have to also contend with Achane’s expanding role in the offense. Lloyd also joins a crowded backfield with newcomer Josh Jacobs and holdover A.J. Dillon. Lloyd showed some exciting flashes in college, but he never put up big numbers, and I don’t know that he suddenly becomes a workhorse back in the pros, either.

Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?

This is one of the more fascinating debates, imo. Tracy faces less competition for touches, but he is yet unproven. He is a diamond in the rough with exciting potential, but it is merely potential at this point. Although Singletary should begin the season as the Giants' starter, he is nothing more than a journeyman. Vidal was a highly productive back at Troy University in the Sunbelt Conference, but will that translate to NFL success? Vidal will compete for touches with Gus Johnson, J.K. Dobbins, and others, but there is no established back in this offense, and unless Dobbins miraculously returns to health, these are mere placeholders. I love both Tracy and Vidal as mid-to-late-round lottery picks.

Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?

If you are holding a mid-to-late first, you may be faced with this dilemma: do you take Worthy’s speed and scoring potential in a more prolific offense or McConkey’s potential high underneath volume in what some suggest will be a more conservative version of the Chargers’ offense under Harbaugh. Worthy is the more proven prospect, and with Rice likely facing a suspension, he could emerge as the team’s WR1, but Rice will be back. McConkey joins a depleted receiving corps, and he could also develop into his team’s WR1. I may regret it, but I have McConkey rated slightly higher.

Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?

Assuming Aiyuk and the Niners work out a contract, Pearsall will be competing for scraps barring an injury ahead of him. Fantasy managers may need to exercise some patience, but he appears to be an ideal eventual fit for Shanahan’s offense. Keon Coleman, conversely, should hit the ground running. Gone are Diggs and Davis. I may be in the minority here, but I love Coleman’s fit in the Buffalo offense.

 

[-OZ-]

Assuming dynasty
Jayden
Penix for the value, JJ straight up
Wright
Vidal
Mcconkey
Pearsall

Most of these are close, Pearsall is the only one I didn’t think twice.

 

[socrates]

Assuming dynasty
Jayden
Penix for the value, JJ straight up
Wright
Vidal
Mcconkey
Pearsall

Most of these are close, Pearsall is the only one I didn’t think twice.

Yes, I should have stated this is for Dynasty. Great choices.

 

[Gally]

For Dynasty it would be:

• Daniels: Can't pass up the potential with the running ability. Give me the upside play here.
• JJM: McCarthy for me.....but I am a Vikes fan so that might be pushing me that direction. I think he takes over after the bye (Darnold is terrible) and I am a believer. I think he will be a better NFL QB than FF QB but he will be good enough for FF with all the weapons and KOC running the offense.
• Lloyd: I think he is the safer play and I think GB is on the rise. I think he takes over next year and will be solid in that role.
• Vidal: Upside is better here with Herbert and Harbaugh offense. I will take a shot this way
• McConkey: I think a great fit and have more confidence he will at least be a FF starter for years. I was able to actually get both Worthy and McConkey in one league so this was a really tough choice.
• Coleman: Trust the opportunity more coupled with the low volume SF throws it makes Coleman worth the risk to me (even though I am not that high on him).

Redraft:

• Daniels
• Nix: I would go Nix for redraft because he will be in from day 1. There is no guarantee JJM plays this year but if we get word out of camp that JJM might start out of the box I would go him here as well. But today I would take Nix
• Wright: Being it's a later pick in redraft I would go with the upside of Wrigth hitting with an injury to very injury prone guys in Mostert and Achane. Might as well swing for the one year fence here
• Vidal
• Worthy: Very close but again, with a later pick where I should be solid at the time of making this pick I go with the upside of Worthy hitting his ceiling
• Coleman

 

[Big Nate]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

 

[socrates]

For Dynasty it would be:

• Daniels: Can't pass up the potential with the running ability. Give me the upside play here.
• JJM: McCarthy for me.....but I am a Vikes fan so that might be pushing me that direction. I think he takes over after the bye (Darnold is terrible) and I am a believer. I think he will be a better NFL QB than FF QB but he will be good enough for FF with all the weapons and KOC running the offense.
• Lloyd: I think he is the safer play and I think GB is on the rise. I think he takes over next year and will be solid in that role.
• Vidal: Upside is better here with Herbert and Harbaugh offense. I will take a shot this way
• McConkey: I think a great fit and have more confidence he will at least be a FF starter for years. I was able to actually get both Worthy and McConkey in one league so this was a really tough choice.
• Coleman: Trust the opportunity more coupled with the low volume SF throws it makes Coleman worth the risk to me (even though I am not that high on him).

Redraft:

• Daniels
• Nix: I would go Nix for redraft because he will be in from day 1. There is no guarantee JJM plays this year but if we get word out of camp that JJM might start out of the box I would go him here as well. But today I would take Nix
• Wright: Being it's a later pick in redraft I would go with the upside of Wrigth hitting with an injury to very injury prone guys in Mostert and Achane. Might as well swing for the one year fence here
• Vidal
• Worthy: Very close but again, with a later pick where I should be solid at the time of making this pick I go with the upside of Worthy hitting his ceiling
• Coleman

I like the way you think. I generally lean toward the higher-upside pick, as well.

 

[socrates]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

Great analysis. I love that you point out what a prolific passer Penix was in college. That has been glossed over some.

 

[steelcityman]

I took Coleman in my rookie draft at 1.12, would love if he becomes the man in BUF and I think he can . Their TEs should keep defenses honest and not bracketing him, at least early on.

In my upcoming draft, I have Gus and Singletary, IDK how, but would love to land Vidal and Tracy, without severely reaching for them. But is late 2nd rd pick a reach for either, I dont think so.

McCarthy has the WRs to be good as soon as he plays, and will get Hockenson into the mix at some point. Nix will bring his buddy with him, has Sutton and Mims, but nothing at TE. And it appears a mess in the backfield. Both have HCs that know how to run an offense. Slight edge to Nix tho, did more in college.

 

[socrates]

I took Coleman in my rookie draft at 1.12, would love if he becomes the man in BUF and I think he can . Their TEs should keep defenses honest and not bracketing him, at least early on.

In my upcoming draft, I have Gus and Singletary, IDK how, but would love to land Vidal and Tracy, without severely reaching for them. But is late 2nd rd pick a reach for either, I dont think so.

McCarthy has the WRs to be good as soon as he plays, and will get Hockenson into the mix at some point. Nix will bring his buddy with him, has Sutton and Mims, but nothing at TE. And it appears a mess in the backfield. Both have HCs that know how to run an offense. Slight edge to Nix tho, did more in college.

I agree with you on Coleman. The failures of wideouts like Treylon Burks and Quentin Johnston certainly gives some reason for pause, but Coleman is not Burks or Johnston. I love Coleman's upside in Buffalo.

As camps warm up, Vidal and Tracy could find their values climbing. I have a pair of late-round 2 picks in an upcoming rookie dynasty draft, and they will definitely both be in play for me.

 

[Big Nate]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

Great analysis. I love that you point out what a prolific passer Penix was in college. That has been glossed over some.

I find the Penix/Cousins situation very interesting. People want to say Penix is old and might be 26 once he finally starts. Cousins was 27 when he finally got his starting role. 26-27 isn't old for QBs as they play until 35+. Penix is one guy I'm trying to acquire and I hope Cousins starts this year and plays well as I think Penix can learn a lot from Cousins and by sitting a year or 2.

Even if Cousins plays 2 years, Penix can get his first start at 26-27 just like Cousins did and be successful. It will also be cheaper to acquire Penix if Cousins starts this year.

 

[socrates]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

Great analysis. I love that you point out what a prolific passer Penix was in college. That has been glossed over some.

I find the Penix/Cousins situation very interesting. People want to say Penix is old and might be 26 once he finally starts. Cousins was 27 when he finally got his starting role. 26-27 isn't old for QBs as they play until 35+. Penix is one guy I'm trying to acquire and I hope Cousins starts this year and plays well as I think Penix can learn a lot from Cousins and by sitting a year or 2.

Even if Cousins plays 2 years, Penix can get his first start at 26-27 just like Cousins did and be successful. It will also be cheaper to acquire Penix if Cousins starts this year.

Sitting a season or two behind Cousins is a great scenario for Penix, and this kind of QB development used to be routine before astronomical contracts pressured teams to speed up development. Like you. I have zero concerns about Penix's age. I am grabbing Penix everywhere I can.

 

[Gally]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

Great analysis. I love that you point out what a prolific passer Penix was in college. That has been glossed over some.

I find the Penix/Cousins situation very interesting. People want to say Penix is old and might be 26 once he finally starts. Cousins was 27 when he finally got his starting role. 26-27 isn't old for QBs as they play until 35+. Penix is one guy I'm trying to acquire and I hope Cousins starts this year and plays well as I think Penix can learn a lot from Cousins and by sitting a year or 2.

Even if Cousins plays 2 years, Penix can get his first start at 26-27 just like Cousins did and be successful. It will also be cheaper to acquire Penix if Cousins starts this year.

Sitting a season or two behind Cousins is a great scenario for Penix, and this kind of QB development used to be routine before astronomical contracts pressured teams to speed up development. Like you. I have zero concerns about Penix's age. I am grabbing Penix everywhere I can.

As a Viking fan I hoped they would be able to resign Cousins to a reasonable deal and then draft Maye or JJM to sit and learn a year or two behind Cousins. That was my ideal scenario until Atlanta rolled out the cash. Wasn't worth that price tag to keep Cousins so not disappointed he went elsewhere for that money.

 

[menobrown]

Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?

Conventional wisdom suggests Daniels over Maye. He is arguably in the better offense, plus his elite running skills could be a fantasy bonanza. However, I still believe Maye is ultimately the better passer. Short-term, give me Daniels, but long-term, I might lean Drake Maye.

100% agree with the bolded, and I'd add that Maye is far better runner then I think people realize, was actually better then Jayden in a per game basis after their first 2 years(Maye) and 3 years (Daniels) as a full time starter. Just pointing out he's got that upside as well for the rushing numbers.

J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?

Nix for now, JJ for longer term because I think Nix starts week one and JJ may not start most or ALL of the season. Penix would be my last choice for now and future.

I like JJ's outlook more for long term in part because of his weapons which are contractually locked up for next few years, growth potential due to his age and not to be saying anything to get into a debate but at this point give me KOC>Payton as an offensive play caller.

Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?

Wright.

Age is massive factor here. 2.5 years for a RB is no small deal.

Situations are not that dissimilar. Both teams want to use two RB's. Lloyd has immediate advantage over Jaylen due to clear path to being his teams #2 so in a redraft I'm taking him. Dynasty it's Wright.

Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?

I'm team Tracy here. Just had him as a higher rated prospect the entire time, his film was far more impressive to me and far superior as a pass catcher. Willing to take on teh extra age hit here.

Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?

My most difficult one to answer. I'm a tad lower on both then consenus opinions. I'd take McConkey if I was focused on 2024, I'd lean Worthy for the longer haul on premise Marquise Brown is one and done and Kelce will be 36 in early 2025. Chiefs will keep adding weapons but still see a clearer path for Worthy's target share in 25 and beyond(at least for the games Rice is active) and he's also been more durable. Truth is I could flip a coin on these two for dynasty.

Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?

Coleman here easily. Pearsall's old and in a crowded situation.

 

[BobbyLayne]

• Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?
  
  JD
• J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?
  
  Completely agree with your assessment, reasons to like any/all of them
• Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?
  
  Big Wright fan, but I think Lloyd finds a CoP role (presuming he stops putting the ball on the ground.)
• Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?
  
  Again, see it the same way. Vidal might be good in redraft this year, I see a path - very dynamic back who tested well.
  
  I love both Tracy and Vidal as mid-to-late-round lottery picks.
• Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?
  
  I have Ladd comfortably ahead this year and think he’ll have a better pro career. Folks love the speed but XW literally has no route tree, you’ll have to manufacture looks. Banking on guys developing route running out of whole cloth is a losing prop. IMO of course - seems I am way out of sync with most on this one. In redraft I would take him in the 18th round so not expecting him to ever be on any squad of mine.
• Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?
  
  As a fan, I’m hoping Keon gets a big role Y1. Just love his personality. Work in progress kind of prospect. LT I think Pearsall could be a solid pro. Coleman has a higher ceiling & that’s usually the tiebreaker for me.

 

[socrates]

Great questions:

Daniels for me over Maye. I do agree long term Maye could be a Cousins type passer with more mobility but Maye has a lot of stuff to figure out. For fantasy purposes though Daniels can make an immediate impact with his running game. You could even flip him if he is putting up great fantasy numbers (rushing) if his passing isn't quite on par. I think Daniels value is much safer in the short term and can give you good return on value in a trade if needed.

Long term I like Penix as he has shown in college he can sling the rock. Penix has great weapons in ATL when he takes over from Cousins. McCarthy has good potential in MIN I just don't know if he can be a top passer to put up enough fantasy numbers to be relevant and worth starting. Maybe he can do some with his legs and prop up his fantasy #s with some rushing TDs. Nix might have the best fantasy numbers year 1 due to him starting but that is an iffy situation in DEN. If they don't improve it could get ugly quickly. I'd take Nix for cheap value but I'm very very cautious. I don't mind where he is going in rookie drafts and would take a stab. Penix > McCarthy > Nix for me long term.

Jaylen Wright over Lloyd but it is close. I like MIA offense and think Wright could easily slide into Mosterts role and be successful. I like Lloyd but too many people have written off Jacobs and I think Jacobs bounces back with a great year this year and it gives him another year next year starting.

I think I lean VIdal over Tracy but its 50/50. Too early to say for me.

Ladd for me over Worthy as I think he gets the most opportunities right out of the gates. KC has shown to be slow with rookies and Worthy's value could tank a bit if he's not involved early.

Pearsall for me due to the fact he's a better route runner. But Keon could smash just due to volume alone (and if he can improve his route running). Right now Keon is a bit of a question mark.

Great analysis. I love that you point out what a prolific passer Penix was in college. That has been glossed over some.

I find the Penix/Cousins situation very interesting. People want to say Penix is old and might be 26 once he finally starts. Cousins was 27 when he finally got his starting role. 26-27 isn't old for QBs as they play until 35+. Penix is one guy I'm trying to acquire and I hope Cousins starts this year and plays well as I think Penix can learn a lot from Cousins and by sitting a year or 2.

Even if Cousins plays 2 years, Penix can get his first start at 26-27 just like Cousins did and be successful. It will also be cheaper to acquire Penix if Cousins starts this year.

Sitting a season or two behind Cousins is a great scenario for Penix, and this kind of QB development used to be routine before astronomical contracts pressured teams to speed up development. Like you. I have zero concerns about Penix's age. I am grabbing Penix everywhere I can.

As a Viking fan I hoped they would be able to resign Cousins to a reasonable deal and then draft Maye or JJM to sit and learn a year or two behind Cousins. That was my ideal scenario until Atlanta rolled out the cash. Wasn't worth that price tag to keep Cousins so not disappointed he went elsewhere for that money.

Absolutely. An aging QB coming off an Achilles injury. Too pricy for him.

 

[socrates]

Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?

Conventional wisdom suggests Daniels over Maye. He is arguably in the better offense, plus his elite running skills could be a fantasy bonanza. However, I still believe Maye is ultimately the better passer. Short-term, give me Daniels, but long-term, I might lean Drake Maye.

100% agree with the bolded, and I'd add that Maye is far better runner then I think people realize, was actually better then Jayden in a per game basis after their first 2 years(Maye) and 3 years (Daniels) as a full time starter. Just pointing out he's got that upside as well for the rushing numbers.

J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?

Nix for now, JJ for longer term because I think Nix starts week one and JJ may not start most or ALL of the season. Penix would be my last choice for now and future.

I like JJ's outlook more for long term in part because of his weapons which are contractually locked up for next few years, growth potential due to his age and not to be saying anything to get into a debate but at this point give me KOC>Payton as an offensive play caller.

Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?

Wright.

Age is massive factor here. 2.5 years for a RB is no small deal.

Situations are not that dissimilar. Both teams want to use two RB's. Lloyd has immediate advantage over Jaylen due to clear path to being his teams #2 so in a redraft I'm taking him. Dynasty it's Wright.

Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?

I'm team Tracy here. Just had him as a higher rated prospect the entire time, his film was far more impressive to me and far superior as a pass catcher. Willing to take on teh extra age hit here.

Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?

My most difficult one to answer. I'm a tad lower on both then consenus opinions. I'd take McConkey if I was focused on 2024, I'd lean Worthy for the longer haul on premise Marquise Brown is one and done and Kelce will be 36 in early 2025. Chiefs will keep adding weapons but still see a clearer path for Worthy's target share in 25 and beyond(at least for the games Rice is active) and he's also been more durable. Truth is I could flip a coin on these two for dynasty.

Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?

Coleman here easily. Pearsall's old and in a crowded situation.

Great observations!

Thank you for pointing out Maye's running ability. I absolutely agree.

You may be right about McConnell over Payton. If we are judging based on recent work, this is no contest. I still believe in Payton, but give me the Vikings offense all day over Denver.

While I earlier commented age was not a factor for me at QB, it is when it comes to RBs. It is not a value killer for Lloyd, but all other things being equal (if they even are), give me the younger prospect in Wright.

I have a share of Tracy, so I guess I am Team Tracy, as well, but count me in on both of these deeper backs.

I honestly sort of expected to be on a lonely island taking Coleman over Pearsall. I am pleasantly surprised!

 

[socrates]

• Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?
  
  JD
• J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?
  
  Completely agree with your assessment, reasons to like any/all of them
• Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?
  
  Big Wright fan, but I think Lloyd finds a CoP role (presuming he stops putting the ball on the ground.)
• Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?
  
  Again, see it the same way. Vidal might be good in redraft this year, I see a path - very dynamic back who tested well.
  
  I love both Tracy and Vidal as mid-to-late-round lottery picks.
• Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?
  
  I have Ladd comfortably ahead this year and think he’ll have a better pro career. Folks love the speed but XW literally has no route tree, you’ll have to manufacture looks. Banking on guys developing route running out of whole cloth is a losing prop. IMO of course - seems I am way out of sync with most on this one. In redraft I would take him in the 18th round so not expecting him to ever be on any squad of mine.
• Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?
  
  As a fan, I’m hoping Keon gets a big role Y1. Just love his personality. Work in progress kind of prospect. LT I think Pearsall could be a solid pro. Coleman has a higher ceiling & that’s usually the tiebreaker for me.

I am with you on Coleman. He is one of my favorite players in this class based on his personality alone, plus he has a high ceiling.

 

[titusbramble]

Daniels, McCarthy although I think they will all suck at the NFL level, Wright not close, who are these players, McConkey by a country mile, Coleman on account of quicker path to relevance but not bullish on either

 

[Big Nate]

• Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?
  
  JD
• J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?
  
  Completely agree with your assessment, reasons to like any/all of them
• Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?
  
  Big Wright fan, but I think Lloyd finds a CoP role (presuming he stops putting the ball on the ground.)
• Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?
  
  Again, see it the same way. Vidal might be good in redraft this year, I see a path - very dynamic back who tested well.
  
  I love both Tracy and Vidal as mid-to-late-round lottery picks.
• Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?
  
  I have Ladd comfortably ahead this year and think he’ll have a better pro career. Folks love the speed but XW literally has no route tree, you’ll have to manufacture looks. Banking on guys developing route running out of whole cloth is a losing prop. IMO of course - seems I am way out of sync with most on this one. In redraft I would take him in the 18th round so not expecting him to ever be on any squad of mine.
• Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?
  
  As a fan, I’m hoping Keon gets a big role Y1. Just love his personality. Work in progress kind of prospect. LT I think Pearsall could be a solid pro. Coleman has a higher ceiling & that’s usually the tiebreaker for me.

I am with you on Coleman. He is one of my favorite players in this class based on his personality alone, plus he has a high ceiling.

If Coleman hits I see his ceiling being a Mike Evans. Big plays downfield and potential to score 10+ TDs a year. Even though I'm a Fins fan I am cheering for Coleman. Seems like a legit good guy. I'm hoping to own some shares of him this year.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Daniels - I've watched every snap (most live) Maye took in 23. He often crumples in the face of solid pressure defenses. He is not him.
Nix - Color me all in on a hand picked Sean Peyton guy, even if his physical toolset isn't quite as sharp as some of the other prospects.
Wright - Jacob's contract keeps LLoyd off the field with any significance for at least 2 years.
Ladd - reminds me of a Puca kind of guy. Willing to go over the middle and get pounded for the first down. In a situation that had nearly all of it's slot snaps vacated (K Allen).
Neither Pearsall or Keon - I don't think either have the 'stuff' to be an elite NFL player. If I had to take one, I'd prefer Pearsall at his ADP.

 

[socrates]

Daniels - I've watched every snap (most live) Maye took in 23. He often crumples in the face of solid pressure defenses. He is not him.
Nix - Color me all in on a hand picked Sean Peyton guy, even if his physical toolset isn't quite as sharp as some of the other prospects.
Wright - Jacob's contract keeps LLoyd off the field with any significance for at least 2 years.
Ladd - reminds me of a Puca kind of guy. Willing to go over the middle and get pounded for the first down. In a situation that had nearly all of it's slot snaps vacated (K Allen).
Neither Pearsall or Keon - I don't think either have the 'stuff' to be an elite NFL player. If I had to take one, I'd prefer Pearsall at his ADP.

Great insight. Thanks!

I find it interesting that your criticism of Maye is his poise under pressure, as I thought that was a strength for him. I have watched less tape of Maye than you have, but in my study of him, I thought he made lots of off-script throws under pressure, although sometimes he is too reliant on his elite arm strength and he has some mental lapses. I think Maye would benefit from a redshirt rookie season.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Daniels - I've watched every snap (most live) Maye took in 23. He often crumples in the face of solid pressure defenses. He is not him.
Nix - Color me all in on a hand picked Sean Peyton guy, even if his physical toolset isn't quite as sharp as some of the other prospects.
Wright - Jacob's contract keeps LLoyd off the field with any significance for at least 2 years.
Ladd - reminds me of a Puca kind of guy. Willing to go over the middle and get pounded for the first down. In a situation that had nearly all of it's slot snaps vacated (K Allen).
Neither Pearsall or Keon - I don't think either have the 'stuff' to be an elite NFL player. If I had to take one, I'd prefer Pearsall at his ADP.

Great insight. Thanks!

I find it interesting that your criticism of Maye is his poise under pressure, as I thought that was a strength for him. I have watched less tape of Maye than you have, but in my study of him, I thought he made lots of off-script throws under pressure, although sometimes he is too reliant on his elite arm strength and he has some mental lapses. I think Maye would benefit from a redshirt rookie season.

My concerns with Maye stem from his athleticism. He's used to being so much more athletic than the rest of the field that he tends to go off script well before necessary and doesn't hold composure during those times. He's in the gray area of being athletic, but not an uber athlete like Daniels and also doesn't have that great pocket awareness you want from a traditional pocket passer. Here's a condensed version of the NCSU/UNC game from NOv 25, 2023 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnklh34MjE). NCSU did a great job containing Maye and pressuring him into a bunch of mental lapses. It's a blueprint on how to get into Maye's head. For him to live up to his draft position, he'll need to fix that mental aspect of his game along with some other issues (like footwork). Maybe he's able to fix those things and becomes a great NFL QB, but he'll need to do them in a HURRY (2-3 years) or he'll be out of the NFL just like so many other QBs.

 

[massraider]

Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye?

Pro career I think it's a toss up. Mainly because it remains to be seen if these organizations are competent. Unless a guy is generational, that will have a big impact. Fantasy wise I will take Maye, mainly because of size. I don't think Daniels is going to be racking up rushing yards in his career.

J.J. McCarthy or Bo Nix (or Michael Penix, Jr.)?

JJ has tools, and went to the one situation everyone agreed was the best place for a QB to go.
Jaylen Wright or Marshawn Lloyd?

I'll take Wright, as a swing for the fences. He's a bit unknown because of that offense, but he's a special athlete.

Tyrone Tracy, Jr. or Kimani Vidal?

Tracy all day.

Xavier Worthy or Ladd McConkey?

That is really tough. McConkey, but I don't feel good about that

Ricky Pearsall or Keon Coleman?

Coleman. Coleman has miles of open road with Josh Allen at the wheel. Pearsall is stuck in traffic for a while.