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WR Alec Pierce, IND (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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Futile
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There's virtually no path for Alec Pierce to be helpful for fantasy and I am not a big AD Mitchell guy either.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Yea, I'm not predicting a year 3 breakout for this guy. I was high on him, but it looks like he'll be fighting with Mitchell just to be the 5th option behind Pittman, Downs, Woods, and Taylor.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I don’t think I’d put him behind woods juuuust yet. Also, Richardson will definitely Chuck the ball down the field more than any qb he has played with. So maybe his targets should be projected a smidge higher than last years.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Even though I'm down on Pierce, I agree with this assessment.
Stiechen will utilize his TE's and if Woods is not leading him in targets it's because he got hurt again or it's a TEBC, most Colt beat writers are pegging them for keeping 4-5 on the roster.
I took Pierce in round two in two different drafts. Terrible pick, he blows. He's literally been in the bottom three each of this two seasons in separation per target. What makes that especially bad is last year he was top 10 I believe in routes run last year, King Cardio, so how covered must he be that the few targets he actually can earn he's covered like a glove? ESPN has this formula for Open scores and he came in at 140 out of 153 qualifed WR's and TE's. The year before he was 171 out of 189. Oof!
They kind of tried to write a puff piece about him a few weeks ago, talking about how he's fighting for his job and packed on some muscle at Reggie Wayne's request. Well sure, because he can't get open so Reggie was probably think best we can do is try and make him stronger because almost everything to him is going to be a contested catch because the dude simply can not get open.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
In 2023 Alec Pierce had 6 targets in Anthony Richardson's 173 snaps meaning 3.4% of AR's snaps were AP targets.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Last year, ARich threw 84 passes. Of those, 47 went to WR's, 25 went to TE's, and 11 went to RB's (1 was a throwaway). The top 3 targets were WR Pittman, WR Downs, and TE Granson. If Woods can stay healthy, I expect him to take Granson's spot in the pecking order this year. If ARich and all IND RB's, WR's, and TE's remain healthy, my guess is Pierce will have less than 30 targets.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I looked at him when he and Ridder were coming out and wrote a little puff piece for both of them. What I saw on film was that the two of them had chemistry but that indeed he wasn't getting open. They had great timing though and would sort of pop open right as the ball arrived. I scouted it as really good instinct, baiting the corner so to speak. I was wrong. I do think they had that chemistry and he is athletic and all that so I kind of drank the cool aid for a bit there. But I don't see it either.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Report today was that he is shining in camp and outplaying the rookie. huh. Key cog they said. hehe
jm192
Footballguy
Richardson was 9/19. If I'm a DC, I'm playing the deep ball and forcing him to hit the underneath and intermediate stuff. Prove you can beat us that way. I think Richardson will hit home runs here and there all season, you just never know who is on the receiving end.
I'd sell high on Pierce for sure. I put him on the trade block in 1 dynasty as soon as the play happend.
I'd sell high on Pierce for sure. I put him on the trade block in 1 dynasty as soon as the play happend.
sheerterror
Footballguy
2nd week in a row leading the Colts in receiving
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
I picked him up. If it was any other player in the league, there would be multiple pages talking about him.
Richardson loves targeting this guy. I don't plan on starting him, but I am certainly willing to sign up for more electricity.
Richardson loves targeting this guy. I don't plan on starting him, but I am certainly willing to sign up for more electricity.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Impressive turnaround so far for Pierce, just not sure what this looks like when Downs he s back to the lineup.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
I'm trying to decide on who to have as an end-of-the-bench WR stash and I have no idea how to value this guy. Can't argue with his production so far and his style completely meshes with ARich's style of play (WAY more so than Pittman).
markrc99
Footballguy
Really like this player. After reviewing this past week's game tape, the extent of unforced ball security issues is something we wouldn't expect to see at this level. It appeared as though Richardson's progressions were half-field reads. No looking off defenders, no pre or post snap adjustments, no choice routes on the part of the WRs. At no point did he appear to put the offense in a different play. Very hard to win this way, being in the right play is huge.. The 2nd play in (0:05) is either a half-field read or a couple of decoy routes & a dump off by design. The Packers are running a 4-across zone at the marker. On the backside of this play (bottom of the screen) is Pierce, cut loose by the DB zoning that quarter. There's more to say, but it's production left on the field. It's the settling-for mentality by Richardson. If he just gives Pierce a look, there's a home run to hit over the deeper middle.
Several plays later they do try to connect with Pierce over the same area & again, he's open. But it's way overthrown by Richardson. This next one at (1:58) is a TD or a 1st & goal if Pierce runs a choice route. Any number of plays to this point, Green Bay's cover personnel were clearly defending the 1st down marker. While not the case on this play, throughout there is also a lot of soft-coverage that the Colts don't force an adjustment. The DB covering Pierce is overplaying his route to break & to break inside. He's poorly positioned to defend an out route or a vertical behind him to the end zone. If Pierce instead sells the in-breaking route the DB is expecting & then breaks it off to run to the pylon, with placement, it's a TD.
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At this level, what would it take to make the requisite adjustments?.. Reality-lite, maybe 10 minutes..
sushinsky4tsar
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I find myself annoyed with this situation. I had to go pick him up for the 3rd time in a half PPR dynasty just to see if he can string 20-point games together. This comes at the expense of the potential for another Sermon spot start. I've never been more jealous of PPR leagues that can completely ignore guys like this. Seems completely unsustainable and unstartable in lineup leagues. The definition of a one-trick pony.
I'm surprised that his snap share is still decent after the return of Downs, 77% - 83% - 74%. But then again, all the more frustrating that he hasn't been able to convert that into more intermediary targets to present anything resembling a floor.
Hoping that if he goes for another 100+ with a TD on 3 receptions, someone will be obligated to swap a 3rd for 5th. He's officially a thing if he's still a top-24 WR in half-ppr after the mid-way point, right? At some point, it's about how many and not how, right?
I'm surprised that his snap share is still decent after the return of Downs, 77% - 83% - 74%. But then again, all the more frustrating that he hasn't been able to convert that into more intermediary targets to present anything resembling a floor.
Hoping that if he goes for another 100+ with a TD on 3 receptions, someone will be obligated to swap a 3rd for 5th. He's officially a thing if he's still a top-24 WR in half-ppr after the mid-way point, right? At some point, it's about how many and not how, right?
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Todem
Footballguy
He is finally showing the talent we knew he had.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Any idea why he didn't draw a single target in the first 54 minutes on Sunday? Too many mouths is hardly an explanation when you're a WR in for 70%+ of the snaps. I would normally heavily discount anybody doing all of their damage playing from behind in the closing minutes, but when you look at the way he did it, while carrying his team into OT from down 2 TDs, how does that guy not get thrown to until the 5-minute mark?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Draw them asleep for the element of surprise in the 4th.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I feel like he is always going to be at best the 3rd wheel behind Pittman and Downs and still needs to keep the rookie off of his snaps. So probably not ever fantasy relevant but dang maybe he has taken a step?
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Getting to a point where I'm going to have to allow him back-to-back duds, before inevitably dropping and trying to reclaim for a $1 bid from my disbelieving leaguemates after he goes 3-168 2TDs.
Yes he has, legit making plays.
On an unheard of 44/1,250/10 pace.
The epitome of someone who is a much better best ball player then when you got to put in a lineup.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
better blind bid waiver pickup
Pierce or JuJu?
Pierce or JuJu?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Juju x100000
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Amazing what he was able to produce near the end of game last week. Definitely a risk/reward factor, but need to know the floor is low on a weekly basis.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
well... now what do we think?
Much happier I got him to start as my WR3 in one league for sure now
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Not sure how his role changes, tbh.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Someday y'all will realize this guy is pretty good.
Boston
Footballguy
I think the issue with some is the targets...in 5 games he has 3,2,7,2,3...that is not good...he is definitely worthy of a roster spot and there should be some hope the Colts give him more opportunities since he is doing very well with the ones he is getting but the lack of targets will scare many off.
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Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I'd rather have a healthy Downs given the shape of this offense, but Pierce has looked awesome as a deep threat. Nice one-week flyer no matter who is QB, but if Richardson is out I'd lean towards him overperforming against the Titans.
as long as Flacco is at QB Downs is likely the better play, but pierce is more likely on the wire.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Not sure if everyone here has got the news yet. Pittman out for a while. It might not mean Pierce eats up the opportunity but I mean clearly we have to assume he is going to be more involved.
Mitchell too but by all accounts that I've heard up to this point, he is still raw and so Pierce has a strong chance to do something here. Probably tough sledding without Taylor & Pittman and questions with Richardson.
Mitchell too but by all accounts that I've heard up to this point, he is still raw and so Pierce has a strong chance to do something here. Probably tough sledding without Taylor & Pittman and questions with Richardson.
EBF
Footballguy
Coming into the league, I thought he'd have more Eric Decker to his game. I thought the gritty possession element would be more pronounced than it has been. On the other hand, you have to be intrigued by his efficiency as a deep threat. His yards/target is off the charts dumb. Sometimes explosiveness on limited volume has been the precursor to monster breakouts (Tyreek, Deebo). I don't know if Pierce has the versatility to be more than just a one trick pony, but I know he's probably playing his way to a lucrative second contract if the Colts don't pay/use him. There are a lot of teams who want this type of weapon and would be willing to throw him the ball more often. From a dynasty standpoint it's been a great start to the season.
The ceiling with higher usage is maybe something like Mike Wallace or DK Metcalf. Someone who lives on speed and home run ability, but can add enough catches outside of that to still be a viable weekly starting option. Right now he's in that territory with Shaheed and Jameson Williams where you feel uneasy starting them because the 1 catch for 11 yards game is such a realistic outcome, yet they can catch a 60 yard TD at any given moment.
The ceiling with higher usage is maybe something like Mike Wallace or DK Metcalf. Someone who lives on speed and home run ability, but can add enough catches outside of that to still be a viable weekly starting option. Right now he's in that territory with Shaheed and Jameson Williams where you feel uneasy starting them because the 1 catch for 11 yards game is such a realistic outcome, yet they can catch a 60 yard TD at any given moment.
