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Those who drafted Fred Taylor only to see him get injured multiple times are now staring at a wall having fantasy flashbacks...going in the 2nd round in a lot of places.
maybe the highest ranked jaguar ever!
Those who drafted Fred Taylor only to see him get injured multiple times are now staring at a wall having fantasy flashbacks...going in the 2nd round in a lot of places.
maybe the highest ranked jaguar ever!
Big disagreement from me...Hurns is much better value I think
Fred gets a bad rep. He really wasn't that injury prone given the position. In 2001 he did miss 14 games with a serious knee injury. Besides that year he played in at leas 10 games every year with the Jags. Removing the year he mostly missed with the knee injury, he played in 138 of 160 games. The reason he got the bad reputation was the two years he missed the most time with injury were seasons #2 and #4. Seasons #1 and #3 were really good for him so he came into #2 and #4 with big expectations and a high daft slot so people felt really burned which caused the tag injury prone stuck with him. After that major knee injury in his 4th year, he played in the next 101 of 112 games.Those who drafted Fred Taylor only to see him get injured multiple times are now staring at a wall having fantasy flashbacks...
Was talking about those two years early in his career when it looked like he could win a league by himself and was drafted very high (which is the theme of the post about Jags getting drafted high)...those were devastating injuries to his Owners because he was such a high pick...I know because I was one of them...Fred gets a bad rep. He really wasn't that injury prone given the position. In 2001 he did miss 14 games with a serious knee injury. Besides that year he played in at leas 10 games every year with the Jags. Removing the year he mostly missed with the knee injury, he played in 138 of 160 games. The reason he got the bad reputation was the two years he missed the most time with injury were seasons #2 and #4. Seasons #1 and #3 were really good for him so he came into #2 and #4 with big expectations and a high daft slot so people felt really burned which caused the tag injury prone stuck with him. After that major knee injury in his 4th year, he played in the next 101 of 112 games.
Fred Taylor posted 4 amazing fantasy seasons:
98: 1600 and 17
00: 1600 and 14
02: 1700 and 8
03: 1900 and 7
Yeah, I've just always been a Fred defender since I owned him only in his good yearsWas talking about those two years early in his career when it looked like he could win a league by himself and was drafted very high (which is the theme of the post about Jags getting drafted high)...those were devastating injuries to his Owners because he was such a high pick...I know because I was one of them...
There needs to be a term for how you feel about a player based on whether he helped or hurt your team...Yeah, I've just always been a Fred defender since I owned him only in his good years
BiasThere needs to be a term for how you feel about a player based on whether he helped or hurt your team...
That is the correct word but it just feels like it needs to have a little more zip to it...gotta be something more nerdy...Bias
And a healthy Hurns. He played hurt all year.Not sure what to think about his upcoming year. I think he is a heck of a football player but am concerned about drafting in the first two rounds. A stronger defense, bolstered rushing attack, and a healthy Julius Thomas may take too many touches from him.
I definitely assume regression for Hopkins. The first 8 games Nuk had 112 targets 66 receptions, 870 yards and 6 TDs. The last 8 games he had 80 targets, 45 receptions, 651 yards and 5 TDs. During that first 8 game stretch Houston was 3-5 giving up 27 points a game and the final 8 games they went 6-2 giving up 14 points a game. I think the Texans are closer to the second half in terms of defense and style of play so I feel a lot more comfortable projecting Hopkins to 160 targets, 90 receptions, 1300 yards and 10 TDs. That is still a great year but more of a WR10-12 than the WR 6 he was last year.The regression is coming surely, maybe less targets and TDs but my guess is his targets will be of better quality, so that may lessen the blow some. Still easily a top 8 WR unless injury, IMO.
My question would be, with everyone assuming the regression will be there, how can we not assume the same for hopkins? Hopkins' startup ADP on DFW is 1.03, to Robinsons 1.08. Its closer together on some other sites, but still.
I think right this second id rather have hopkins, over robinson, but essentially he cannot go any higher (AB and ODB being 1,2) so this ADP data suggests that regression isnt a concern for Hopkins, and that seems odd to me given the volume of targets he had, and lack of competition for those targets VS Robinsons situation, which I think is actually improved, and I could argue Hopkins situation for fantasy got worse.
Thoughts?
Hopkins was in a dysfunctional offense last year that was lead by a god awful Hoyer...this year if they can get that offense going, watch out.The regression is coming surely, maybe less targets and TDs but my guess is his targets will be of better quality, so that may lessen the blow some. Still easily a top 8 WR unless injury, IMO.
My question would be, with everyone assuming the regression will be there, how can we not assume the same for hopkins? Hopkins' startup ADP on DFW is 1.03, to Robinsons 1.08. Its closer together on some other sites, but still.
I think right this second id rather have hopkins, over robinson, but essentially he cannot go any higher (AB and ODB being 1,2) so this ADP data suggests that regression isnt a concern for Hopkins, and that seems odd to me given the volume of targets he had, and lack of competition for those targets VS Robinsons situation, which I think is actually improved, and I could argue Hopkins situation for fantasy got worse.
Thoughts?
he still had a zillion targetsHopkins was in a dysfunctional offense last year that was lead by a god awful Hoyer...this year if they can get that offense going, watch out.
Love me some Hopkins this year.
If the offense stays on the field longer with more sustained drives, it's reasonable to conclude his targets will actually increase.he still had a zillion targets
if the offense is improved, which it is, it would stand to reason his targets would go down some, no?
That will be tough to do. No WR took more snaps last year than Hopkins. Only 7 offensive players in the NFL took more snaps than Hopkins last year (6 OL and Rivers). He had 85 more snaps than the second highest WR Brandon Marshall. Marshall is the 2nd non QB/OL to appear on the list and he ranked 49th in the NFL. The data I am looking at only goes back 3 years, but no WR was even close to seeing the number of snaps Hopkins did last year.If the offense stays on the field longer with more sustained drives, it's reasonable to conclude his targets will actually increase.
His RAC is incredible too. Guy is really elusiveAR15 tape from last year is incredible. The catches this guy comes down with on jump balls are unreal.
that seems crazy to me given how inconsistent their offense was...I'll have to take a closer look at this.That will be tough to do. No WR took more snaps last year than Hopkins. Only 7 offensive players in the NFL took more snaps than Hopkins last year (6 OL and Rivers). He had 85 more snaps than the second highest WR Brandon Marshall. Marshall is the 2nd non QB/OL to appear on the list and he ranked 49th in the NFL. The data I am looking at only goes back 3 years, but no WR was even close to seeing the number of snaps Hopkins did last year.
I thought something seemed off so I went to a second site and it had the same numbers. It's very surprising. I doubt many would guess that trivia question.that seems crazy to me given how inconsistent their offense was...I'll have to take a closer look at this.
thanks for the info
ESPN Jaguars reporter Mike DiRocco believes "it'll be tough" for Allen Robinson to match last season's statistical output.
Robinson posted a ridiculous 80-1,400-14 line on 142 targets and led the league with 31 catches of 20-plus yards. Only nine receivers were targeted more than Robinson. With the addition of Chris Ivory to pair with T.J. Yeldon and returns to health by Julius Thomas and Marqise Lee, we tend to agree with DiRocco.
Source: ESPN.com
I'm more worried about Hurns and the running game than Thomas. JT usually ends up getting injured, if he stays healthy all year then I could see him having an impact, but I won't be worrying about that prematurely.I expect some regression with the emergence of Julius Thomas and an improved defense.
A bit overvalued IMHO but will still have a solid season.
NonPPR, yes?I'm more worried about Hurns and the running game than Thomas. JT usually ends up getting injured, if he stays healthy all year then I could see him having an impact, but I won't be worrying about that prematurely.
Right now I have him at 8, right behind Mike Evans, and right ahead of Sammy Watkins.
I think he slots in right around 10. The problem is that I think the Jags receivers are better suited for Best Ball. If AR15, Hurns, and Julius are all healthy, it will be interesting to see how defenses approach them. I could see one of them going off one week and putting up a 4/55/0 the next.AR15 should be a top 10 WR on everyone's board if u ask me. I have him slotted at 4. I think it's crazy that Hopkins is consistently ranked higher with the uncertainty of Osweiller. Bortles is much better imo.
When JT got healthy from week 5 on... it was he and Hurns who were best suited for bestball. ARob just kept crushing.I think he slots in right around 10. The problem is that I think the Jags receivers are better suited for Best Ball. If AR15, Hurns, and Julius are all healthy, it will be interesting to see how defenses approach them. I could see one of them going off one week and putting up a 4/55/0 the next.
It will also be interesting to see the Jags approach red zone play calling. Quite a few times the Jags were cashing in TDs on 3rd and goal from 6 because the run game went nowhere.
That looks great, but it is also agains a rookie who should probably be playing safety.I posted this in the Jags thread a few days ago but Allen Robinson schools Jalen Ramsey
I think he might actually improve as a receiver and put up slightly worse numbers this year.
Here is against a veteran...That looks great, but it is also agains a rookie who should probably be playing safety.
It's just a google search of Allen Robinson, must have the wrong link
grr....wtf..........NOW FIXED!It's just a google search of Allen Robinson, must have the wrong link
The Jags had an unusually high number of TDs in the red zone for their WRs and I think you hit the nail on the head as to why.I think he slots in right around 10. The problem is that I think the Jags receivers are better suited for Best Ball. If AR15, Hurns, and Julius are all healthy, it will be interesting to see how defenses approach them. I could see one of them going off one week and putting up a 4/55/0 the next.
It will also be interesting to see the Jags approach red zone play calling. Quite a few times the Jags were cashing in TDs on 3rd and goal from 6 because the run game went nowhere.
Allen Robinson has reportedly looked better in Jaguars camp than he did last year.
This, of course, is saying something for a player who led the NFL in touchdown catches (14) as a sophomore. Per Jagaurs.com's John Oehser, Robinson "has looked like a different receiver early in training camp -- and a much better one, too," showing improved route running and a my-ball mentality. It's a reminder that Robinson is still only 22 years old and has an upward trajectory. His touchdowns might regress, but Robinson is still getting better.
Source: Jaguars.com
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