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WR Antonio Brown, FA (6 Viewers)
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
There is pretty much no upside to signing this clown. He's the definition of a cancer.
Capella
Footballguy
Of course there is upside, he’s one of the most talented receivers to play in the last 30 years. Lol. What?There is pretty much no upside to signing this clown. He's the definition of a cancer.
Yea he’s a cancer. Not like they are giving him 30M guaranteed. If he’s a huge distraction I am sure he’ll be gone.
Once again message board posters love to avoid the middle ground and either say he's going to be a star or say he's going to be a huge bust. The in between is the most likely scenario. Low end WR3 some weeks, couple weeks high end WR2 territory, overall just your regular WR3.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I think the thing that this shows is Brady has a lot more power in this organization than I thought. This team has two solid receivers and Godwin and Evans and decent slot guys in Miller/Watson. Brady got an over-the-hill Gronk on this team and now wanted AB despite him being completely radioactive (and still has pending legal issues) and playing with him for like one game... and he got him signed in a week?
Rumour is this was in the works all season. And with Bruce having coached him already, I'm sure he was okay with it. Like with Gronk, this seems obvious that this was quietly happening all along.
The last time he played he had 1300 yards, 15 TDs and was the WR3 overall in fantasy football.
Calling it over before even seeing him on the field seems a little premature.
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SanDawg
Footballguy
Agreed. This guy could be a league winner. Plenty to prove here for him if he wants a check next year. WR corp has been banged up and if he stays healthy I think could be in for a huge 2nd half. To say he is done is way to premature.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Doesn't the NFL still have to conduct an investigation into the sexual assault claims, with possible additional suspension time coming?
I swear coming into the year I remember reading "If a team signs him" then the NFL would investigate, etc.
What was this initial 8 week thing? (There was too much to keep track of with AB last year.)
I swear coming into the year I remember reading "If a team signs him" then the NFL would investigate, etc.
What was this initial 8 week thing? (There was too much to keep track of with AB last year.)
JackReacher
Footballguy
Regarding the sex assault investigation, note that the MDPD investigated and chose not to prosecute. It is a civil suit, not criminal. Not sure if the NFL weighs into civil matters.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
ESPN closed their loophole which used to allow you to put suspended players on IR. 
The most important part of that piece to me:
”There's one more winner: Whoever is running the ball for Tampa Bay. If defenses are focused on not getting beat through the air, Ronald Jones is in the incredible position of rushing into soft defensive fronts. Defenses have already been playing the Bucs that way quite a bit and he's averaged 5.3 yards per run in his past three games. If he doesn't make mistakes, Jones will also be a league winner. If he does make mistakes, Leonard Fournettecould replace him and further complete the dream team. Whoever that lead back is for the Buccaneers is an obvious top-12 option.”
Don’t give up on Fournette yet.
There aren't enough targets to keep him happy in Tampa.
zamboni
Footballguy
I doubt he has the wherewithal to think this, but if he keeps his head on straight for a few months and plays well, he can parlay it into another deal with another team next year where he can be more featured.
There is no chance he can think that way for 2 weeks let alone the rest of the season.
Dizzy
Footballguy
If he can still separate, he'll get enough to keep him happy... maybe more. If Brady did lobby for him, he'll be looking for him.
Evans is nicked up (to put it mildly) and Godwin still does not look right to me. We know Gronk's got an expiration date. If we know one thing about Brady it's he will feed a guy that can get open and loves a tough slot WR.
It will be interesting to say the least.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Dan Graziano@DanGrazianoESPN
From the I’M JUST SAYIN’ department: Anyone projecting what the 2020 Buccaneers offense will look like with Antonio Brown on it would do well to remember what they thought the 2019 Raiders and Patriots offenses would look like with Antonio Brown on them, and how that worked out.
From the I’M JUST SAYIN’ department: Anyone projecting what the 2020 Buccaneers offense will look like with Antonio Brown on it would do well to remember what they thought the 2019 Raiders and Patriots offenses would look like with Antonio Brown on them, and how that worked out.
It's a pretty fascinating signing.
Clearly, Brady saw / sees value there. My guess is this was heavily influenced by him.
And clearly there's upside. He'll likley be rusty but we saw him dominate just last year. Not just be good but be great.
Tampa Bay is a vastly different environment. This was an untenable situation with Robert Kraft and his late wife's outspoken position on domestic abuse. His Spa issues didn't help. That was never going to be withstandable.
A year later and Tampa is very different.
So assuming best case for Brown, I love it for Brady.
I don't like it for Godwin or Evans or Gronkowski or Brown that much. Simply too many mouths to consistently feed. This feels like a maddening situation each week trying to roll the dice on who will get the targets. But for Brady, it's fantastic. They were ALREADY an embarrassment of riches for receivers. This is ridiculous.
On the downside, I probably wouldnt have made the move if I were Jason Licht. I just don't think Brown's a guy I want in the locker room. There's diva type stuff a great many WRs deal with. But this seemed way beyond that. But I also completely realize I know essentially nothing about that. I will easily defer to Brady and the other people that DO know what he's like in person. And clearly, they're in favor.
Should be interesting.
Clearly, Brady saw / sees value there. My guess is this was heavily influenced by him.
And clearly there's upside. He'll likley be rusty but we saw him dominate just last year. Not just be good but be great.
Tampa Bay is a vastly different environment. This was an untenable situation with Robert Kraft and his late wife's outspoken position on domestic abuse. His Spa issues didn't help. That was never going to be withstandable.
A year later and Tampa is very different.
So assuming best case for Brown, I love it for Brady.
I don't like it for Godwin or Evans or Gronkowski or Brown that much. Simply too many mouths to consistently feed. This feels like a maddening situation each week trying to roll the dice on who will get the targets. But for Brady, it's fantastic. They were ALREADY an embarrassment of riches for receivers. This is ridiculous.
On the downside, I probably wouldnt have made the move if I were Jason Licht. I just don't think Brown's a guy I want in the locker room. There's diva type stuff a great many WRs deal with. But this seemed way beyond that. But I also completely realize I know essentially nothing about that. I will easily defer to Brady and the other people that DO know what he's like in person. And clearly, they're in favor.
Should be interesting.
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
It will be interesting to watch and follow.
I agree and I also defer to Brady. He knows the signing has the potential to make the team better. That is the bottom line.
Traded for Evans, picked up AB pre trade, now this. Unreal.
Not sure how this is all going to play out and hoping things work itself out by week 14 and the fantasy playoffs when both AB and Evans will face:
Week 14: MIN
Week 15: @ATL
Week 16: @DET
Maybe AB will be the clear #1 by then. Maybe not. Hell, maybe I'll start both of them with those matchups.
Not sure how this is all going to play out and hoping things work itself out by week 14 and the fantasy playoffs when both AB and Evans will face:
Week 14: MIN
Week 15: @ATL
Week 16: @DET
Maybe AB will be the clear #1 by then. Maybe not. Hell, maybe I'll start both of them with those matchups.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
They didn't take this big a risk to bring him there to be an auxiliary piece. I expect him to be the alpha out of the gate. I don't buy the "too many mouths to feed" argument either. Every team has too many mouths to feed on their roster. Most end up not getting fed which will happen here. Either Evans or Godwin, or maybe both, are going to take a severe hit to their fantasy value. If Brown is even 70% of what he was 2 years ago, he's going to get his. Game script poses a much bigger threat to Brown's numbers than Evans or Godwin do. This team has a solid defense and could be looking at a bunch of games with big 2nd half leads. As good as Ronald Jones has been, he may get even better with the addition of Brown. That being said, when Brady had dominant teams in New England he liked to keep his foot on the gas for as long as possible so maybe the game script angle is overblown. Either way, I expect Brown to hit the ground running in 2 weeks and not look back. Don't discount that week of experience Brown and Brady had last season. They built obvious chemistry in a short time and it's only going to grow.
zamboni
Footballguy
I somewhat agree with this. It's not like Evans and Goodwin have been force fed by Brady, so who knows where the targets will go.
On the other hand, Brady has not had to air out the ball that much. At the end of the day, Brady is going to hit whoever is open and if that's Brown, he'll get his. The thing is all those guys can get open, so I don't see any of them consistently getting double digit targets. Could very well vary by week.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed. Although assuming Brown can return week 9, that's the week I would start him because I do think he'll be featured then.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I don’t get the point of this tweet. I seem to remember AB’s PPG stats on the Pats to be quite good.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
It certainly doesn’t HURT Brady, but their defense has been so good, and their running game has proven to be solid enough that I don’t see a huge ceiling on Brady regardless of Brown being there. It’s not like he’s going to be forced into shootouts like Russ or Dak.
if anything he’ll continue to be very inconsistent week to week. But yes, that playoff schedule looks great on paper.
I don't see anyone remotely suggesting it could hurt Brady, do you?
Do you think signing Brown will help Brady? If so, how much?
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
4-56-1 in one game is dominating? I don't disagree with much of your analysis, but saying he dominated last year seems more than a bit off.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
1) of course not. That being said,
2) I just don’t see it moving the needle a ton for Brady’s overall FF prospects, just because of how the Bucs are structured as a team. I don’t think AB in the mix turns them into a pass-first team. And with their defense playing the way it is, outside of the Chiefs game in Week 12 (and maybe the Saints in 9 if they get everyone back) I don’t see a ton of shootouts on their schedule.
I'm not going to argue over semantics. I thought he looked great when he played in the one game last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmAkMF5URa0
That's not a very controversial analysis.
Thanks. I agree the defense will likely limit the shootouts and that could be a factor. Should be interesting. I will disagree that it doesn't help Brady significantly if Brown can keep it together there. He's an outstanding talent on a team that's struggled pretty hard so far to keep the receivers healthy. Will be interesting to see.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That is fine, and yeah he looked good, but we must have different definitions of dominating. But we can agree to disagree.
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Thing is, Brady hasn't had that gets open quick guy this year. Evans isn't that guy, and Godwin was supposed to be, but he's been banged up, and that wasn't his game last year. Brady has been his best with that type of WR, the Brown/Welker/Edelman type. While that is not all Brown can do, like it may have been with those guys, Brown is certainly better at that than Evans/Godwin.
If he stays out of trouble(big if) I'd bet on Brown leading Tampa in catches the rest of the way. Not saying he'll be the #1 for fantasy points necessarily, but I'd say its at least a 33% chance. I also think Tampa might begin passing more often. I think they want to be a pass first team, that is both Brady and Arians history. I think the fact that they haven't had healthy weapons this year had contributed to why they haven't, even more than the quality of their defense. What a few weeks ago was a maybe 60% Evans, Scottie Miller and Justin Watson, is now going to be Brown, a hopefully 100% Evans, and Godwin. Could certainly that adding 8-12 pass attempts per game.
I think much like KC signing Bell, people will talk themselves into it being no big deal, look at the money, etc. I think both Bell and Brown have decent shots at taking their respective #1 jobs, and pretty quickly too, and if I owned CEH, Godwin, or Evans, I'd be pretty concerned.
If he stays out of trouble(big if) I'd bet on Brown leading Tampa in catches the rest of the way. Not saying he'll be the #1 for fantasy points necessarily, but I'd say its at least a 33% chance. I also think Tampa might begin passing more often. I think they want to be a pass first team, that is both Brady and Arians history. I think the fact that they haven't had healthy weapons this year had contributed to why they haven't, even more than the quality of their defense. What a few weeks ago was a maybe 60% Evans, Scottie Miller and Justin Watson, is now going to be Brown, a hopefully 100% Evans, and Godwin. Could certainly that adding 8-12 pass attempts per game.
I think much like KC signing Bell, people will talk themselves into it being no big deal, look at the money, etc. I think both Bell and Brown have decent shots at taking their respective #1 jobs, and pretty quickly too, and if I owned CEH, Godwin, or Evans, I'd be pretty concerned.
One of the worst things on these boards is people who think your discussion on a player is biased by your ownership or lack thereof.
The major difference to me on Bell and AB is that Bell looks like he noticeably lost a step or two. I know the offense was bad on the Jets and it made him look even worse but he looked a step slower to me. If it turns out that Bell is the same guy as he was in 2017 then yes what you say is true but I'm not seeing that with him, still solid but not quite the same guy.
With AB while a lot of people assume he's 32 and has lost a step we've not actually seen any evidence of it.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I agree, feels like a sig line that syncs to one's primary league would be useful as I do think people are biased.
I picked up Brow last week and was hoping he'd land in Philly where'd he'd have a better chance to be the clear #1 and thus have WR2 value from the start with WR1 upside. With TB, I think he has WR3 value today with WR2 upside.
As always, just my opinion.
Well using the examples you gave I'd be the guy who picked up AB but the more accurate way to say it is I'm the guy who has been sitting on AB this whole time in dynasty, and have been sitting on him this whole time since any redraft league I was in drafted. I'm in a lot of leagues and he was not available in any of them this past week, mainly because of me but not always.
Not that you care but if you ever wanted to scroll back to my comments on him in this thread it's been consistently the same going back to when Steeler's traded him.
It's kind of like a chicken and the egg argument. I got AB on a ton of my teams because of his talent and/or opportunity cost for the talent but then people want to say I only speak in positive tones about him because I'm invested when the reality is I got invested in him because of the talent/opportunity cost.
I'm just here for discussion. I do have a few leagues were people tell me they read my posts here but this idea that people only try and talk up people they are invested or vice versa is something that has just annoyed me over the years, no offense to you or your post. I just don't see the point in that unless you really just need positive affirmation with your decision making. Like I said, I'm just here for the discussion because I'm a fantasy and football loving fiend and can't get enough, not to hype up my players or get affirmation.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
"Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians worked with Brown while he was the offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh and previously had been critical of Brown. Arians told Schefter on his podcast in 2019 that Brown was "too much of a diva," and said as recently as March that Brown wasn't a fit on the Bucs."
So another example of a team bending over backwards to take a guy with serious issues/legal trouble huhn Bruce?
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I'll say this, I did not love Brown's chances for high quality production if he would have went to Seattle... but, I'm higher on him now that he's going to Tampa. I think he should be viewed as a top 25 WR going forward, but that group will most likely cannibalize each other. Great for Brady, not so great for Godwin and Evans. I would probably try to use Brown as a trading piece leading up to his debut as I think that's where his real value will lie. Should be interesting, though.
