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WR Brandin Cooks, Free Agent (2 Viewers)

FUBAR said:
I'm happy to have him, he pretty much won the game for me this week (TBD but looking good).  He's inconsistent as anything but as my #2 in a 32 team league, I'll take it. 
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32 team league?!?   Yeah I'd take him as my #2 in a 32 team league.  I'd take him as my #1 in a 64 team league too lol.  

 
He's 23 and WR7 in PPR. You should be able to get a huge haul for that in dynasty.

 
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Milkman said:
Well I'm not dumping him that's for sure. I'm more talking about the Saints. I think they will look to move him this offseason. If i was to trade him I'd want WR1 return but this year the draft looks good so a high 1st and a WR prospect I like would probably do it but trade Cooks at your own risk. If he gets traded by the Saints to a team that features him more he will explode.
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My greatest wish is that he is traded along with Ingram to a team that will actually get them involved in the damn game on a regular basis. If he is not traded then I will look to move him.

Tex

 
rickyg said:
I am totally done with this fool.  Djax 2.0.  Absolutely killed my team most weeks.  Then when I bench him he goes off.  Worst type of player to own.  He was on my bench this week. He has sucked lately.  And Patrick Peterson.  And yada yada.    Djax flashbacks everywhere.  So painful lol.  

Thank goodness I won today without him.  But I was practically throwing stuff at my tv watching this fool go off today.  

I would only draft him as a wr4 if he fell to me next year.  Which pretty much means he won't be on any of my teams BC some other fool will bite on him.  

Too many mouths to feed in no.  
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Ummm before this week up he had 8 straight weeks of double digit PPR production. What's the problem? 12/14 double digit weeks now and 3 top 2 finishes and 5 total WR1 (or nearly WR1) finishes.

 
jeaton6 said:
Ummm before this week up he had 8 straight weeks of double digit PPR production. What's the problem? 12/14 double digit weeks now and 3 top 2 finishes and 5 total WR1 (or nearly WR1) finishes.
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The problem is that you seem to think that everyone plays in ppr leagues?

I play in standard.   His weeks where he has 30-40 yards receiving on 4 catches absolutely kill me, whereas in a ppr it's not terrible.  For standard leagues cooks is basically desean Jackson.  

 
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rickyg said:
The problem is that you seem to think that everyone plays in ppr leagues?

I play in standard.   His weeks where he has 30-40 yards receiving on 4 catches absolutely kill me, whereas in a ppr it's not terrible.  For standard leagues cooks is basically desean Jackson.  
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In standard leagues I gather a lot of really good WRs are Djax 2.0. He has had very few 30-40 yard weeks. Exactly 1 actually. Very few WRs can be relied upon to consistently score in standard. In standard he has been better than most Including guys like Amari Cooper who people around here are in love with. Cooks  is a top 10 standard WR.

 
Has been a roller coaster year for Cooks' dynasty value, but back to back seasons of 70+/1000+/8+ at age 23 is nothing to sneeze at.  With TB at home and on the road against ATL, Cooks' end of year numbers could look even nicer.  I know as an owner I wasn't happy about the downtick in targets lost to Michael Thomas but Cooks' production and age still have me very high on him.

 
Had him on my bench in 2 leagues....situation is frustrating but he is an extreme talent.  Keeper/dynasty makes for interesting discussion of off season value or perceived value.  Hope he blows up down the stretch here and can sell high.  

 
pecorino said:
I like to have a WR like him in a start 3 WR league. When he goes off, you win the week. Pad him with two other steady eddies (who tend to come cheap) to hedge.
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Who at WR is a "steady eddie"?  WR is about the most inconsistent position there is in this game.

 
SanDawg said:
Had him on my bench in 2 leagues....situation is frustrating but he is an extreme talent.  Keeper/dynasty makes for interesting discussion of off season value or perceived value.  Hope he blows up down the stretch here and can sell high.  
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Same here. If I started him I would have won by .12 pts. He has been inconsistent, but I think that Brees tends to be inconsistent every year especially on the road. When Brees clicks, they all click (one exception was the 0 game this year for cooks). 

I owned Cooks last year and was tired of the frustration only to trade him away and watch him go off. He is desean-like in the very high upside, but I think his floor, removing the outliers, is about 4/60.

 
matttyl said:
Who at WR is a "steady eddie"?  WR is about the most inconsistent position there is in this game.
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The poster child was Eric Decker who, as you know, got hurt early this year. But he always seemed to get 70 yards every week and nobody talks about targeting him in drafts. For years I grabbed Muhsin Muhammed--same thing. Unsexy pick that rarely got you zero points and occasionally chipped in a WR1 type game.

i get your point that these guys don't grow on trees but by the same token, you'll know them when you see them come draft day. Some blossomed more recently like Jarvis Landry and Julian Edelman and so they don't come as cheap as I'm describing. But, as an example, the owner of Landry in a dynasty league I am in shopped him around last year and got no takers. He doesn't excite most owners but he posts solid numbers like clockwork. That's what I am talking about.

 
Well, survived this week despite him on bench and a fat 0 from Reed.  Will roll him out this week.  Home, TB, why not.

 
Yeah you have to start him this week but he's still only averaging 7 targets a game and the trend really shows he's Bree's third option in the passing game behind lol Snead and Thomas. He's also the 4th option in the red zone for the Saints behind Ingram, Hightower, and Fleener. It's really a testament to how good Cooks is. He's a top end WR that is getting WR 3 usage but still putting up elite numbers in spite of the terrible game plan. 

 
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Is he a must start this weekend?  History against the Bucs is not very good.  Not more than 65 yards in any game.  All dink and dunk, 5,5,3 and 9 receptions.  History is history and never like to look in the rearview mirror but has me thinking.

 
He went off last week on my bench, so that means he will crap then bed again in my lineup this week like he always does.  

 
He had a solid game this week and a great year but it doesn't seem like it. WR7 in PPR with one more week to go. More of a deep threat this year. Less targets this year and less receptions but more yards. He's not being used like he should partly because he doesn't get moved in the slot enough. New Orleans uses Snead there but if Cooks was used more like Hilton is in Indy he'd be a top 3 WR and more consistent. 

I still think there's a chance he gets traded this offseason which might be a good thing. 

 
I don't care what end of the year stats show.  I suffered through the pain of owning him in a standard scoring league this year and watching his low single digit scoff weeks and his best efforts to tank my team.  I watched him explode a few times on my bench after I got tired of him.  

As long as he remains a saint I am steering clear unless he falls to the 6th round or lower.  He could be a decent wr3 in standard but that's about it.   Most weeks he will kill you as a wr1 or wr2 but I can take 4-6 pts from my wr3 with potential for 20-30 pts on any given week.  

 
I think he's better than a WR3 but yeah I can't really see him being a player you build a team around. He's more of a WR2 with high end WR1 upside. Looking at his individual game scoring he only had 3 games under 10 points. Those 11 point games aren't going to cause you to lose your game. The zero target game was what got everybody pissed (me included).

wk1- 33.40

wk2- 13.80

wk3- 3.90

wk4- 6.10

wk6- 30.50

wk7- 18.80

wk8- 14.40

wk9- 11.60

wk10- 18.80

wk11- 11.90

wk12- 0

wk13- 14.70

wk14- 11.10

wk15- 37.60

wk16- 14.60

Cooks is effected by great CB play more than other good WR so you have to sit him sometimes when he's going up against an elite defender but when he's has a good match up he can put up huge games. Oak/Car/Ari were his opponents on his huge games.

 
Milkman said:
I think he's better than a WR3 but yeah I can't really see him being a player you build a team around. He's more of a WR2 with high end WR1 upside. Looking at his individual game scoring he only had 3 games under 10 points. Those 11 point games aren't going to cause you to lose your game. The zero target game was what got everybody pissed (me included).

wk1- 33.40

wk2- 13.80

wk3- 3.90

wk4- 6.10

wk6- 30.50

wk7- 18.80

wk8- 14.40

wk9- 11.60

wk10- 18.80

wk11- 11.90

wk12- 0

wk13- 14.70

wk14- 11.10

wk15- 37.60

wk16- 14.60

Cooks is effected by great CB play more than other good WR so you have to sit him sometimes when he's going up against an elite defender but when he's has a good match up he can put up huge games. Oak/Car/Ari were his opponents on his huge games.
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These must be ppr numbers BC if he scored this way in my league I'd be thrilled with him. 

I drafted him in a standard league mainly BC I missed out on mike Evans.  In standard scoring this year his down weeks were brutal.  

 
rickyg said:
I don't care what end of the year stats show.  I suffered through the pain of owning him in a standard scoring league this year and watching his low single digit scoff weeks and his best efforts to tank my team.  I watched him explode a few times on my bench after I got tired of him.  

As long as he remains a saint I am steering clear unless he falls to the 6th round or lower.  He could be a decent wr3 in standard but that's about it.   Most weeks he will kill you as a wr1 or wr2 but I can take 4-6 pts from my wr3 with potential for 20-30 pts on any given week.  
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This! I have him in Dynasty and only once did I start him in the right week. The other times he killed me or totally blew up on my bench.

As a Saints he's a bye week filler at best.

Tex

 
rickyg said:
These must be ppr numbers BC if he scored this way in my league I'd be thrilled with him. 

I drafted him in a standard league mainly BC I missed out on mike Evans.  In standard scoring this year his down weeks were brutal.  
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I understand he didn't have double digit TD's this year ad I get what you're saying as far as some of those games being even lower in standard but he actually jumps up 1 spot past Baldwin in standard and is WR6 in that format.

Standard scoring

27.40

6.80

1.90

3.10

23.50

11.80

10.40

6.60

15.80

4.90

0

7.70

6.10

30.60

9.60

Standard is lower scoring obviously but basically anything over 60 yards would be a decent game in this format. So those 6 point games are just what happens in that format. Evans had 3 sub 6 point games in a row. It happens to the best of them. Cooks is likely going to break 1200 yards for the year and he might catch another TD but I'm not counting on it. Still he's only 100 yards behind Mike Evans. He'll never be the TD machine that guy is so if you are thinking you're going to be getting 14-15 TD's a year from Cooks you'll be disappointed.

 
Whoever trades for him will get a star. Brees is good enough to spread it around but most other qb's are going to feed him more. He was plenty open in those low scoring weeks but Brees found guys more open. There's about 5 QB's that see the field like him and they don't need a wr so.....

 
I'd like to see him used more like T.Y. Hilton. He's not the route runner T.Y. is but he's a better athlete. He's actually done amazing these last 2 years considering he hasn't been targeted nearly as much as the WR that have out performed him the last two years......

 
SproutDaddy said:
He's not going anywhere.
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I think you're going to be surprised. Cooks and Brees are not as good of friends as everybody has been told. Cooks is going to be asking for a trade. Not sure the Saints will grant him that trade or not but I have a feelin Sean Payton might ship him out just like he did Jimmy Graham.

 
Milkman said:
I think you're going to be surprised. Cooks and Brees are not as good of friends as everybody has been told. Cooks is going to be asking for a trade. Not sure the Saints will grant him that trade or not but I have a feelin Sean Payton might ship him out just like he did Jimmy Graham.
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There's a big difference between these situations.  A $10 million a year contract and the fact that Jimmy pissed the coaching staff off for not wanting to play when he was cleared by doctors.  Cooks is on a rookie contract and has no leverage to ask for a trade.  Your argument is mute and overall just plain stupid.  Pure speculation pulled from his crying.

 
SproutDaddy said:
There's a big difference between these situations.  A $10 million a year contract and the fact that Jimmy pissed the coaching staff off for not wanting to play when he was cleared by doctors.  Cooks is on a rookie contract and has no leverage to ask for a trade.  Your argument is mute and overall just plain stupid.  Pure speculation pulled from his crying.
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:mellow:

 
SproutDaddy said:
There's a big difference between these situations.  A $10 million a year contract and the fact that Jimmy pissed the coaching staff off for not wanting to play when he was cleared by doctors.  Cooks is on a rookie contract and has no leverage to ask for a trade.  Your argument is mute and overall just plain stupid.  Pure speculation pulled from his crying.
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MOOT, ### ######! 

At this point, it's anything BUT mute.

 
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SproutDaddy said:
There's a big difference between these situations.  A $10 million a year contract and the fact that Jimmy pissed the coaching staff off for not wanting to play when he was cleared by doctors.  Cooks is on a rookie contract and has no leverage to ask for a trade.  Your argument is mute and overall just plain stupid.  Pure speculation pulled from his crying.
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hmmm it's not a guarantee but I'll quote you this offseason when it happens. cheers!

 
Wow what a coincidence! I won a championship with Cooks on my team too. Hmmmm that's weird. We all won a title with the #7 WR in fantasy on our team. Go figure.

 
I won with him despite playing him his 0 point game and having him on the bench when he blew up week 15. He's a fantastic talent but some people just prefer a more consistent player, even if it means a lower ceiling, versus the highs/lows that Cooks provided this season. As for me, I don't mind boom/bust players. As long as they have a decent amount of "boom" and also toss in some decent to above average games in there.

 
theothervcruz said:
I won with him despite playing him his 0 point game and having him on the bench when he blew up week 15. He's a fantastic talent but some people just prefer a more consistent player, even if it means a lower ceiling, versus the highs/lows that Cooks provided this season. As for me, I don't mind boom/bust players. As long as they have a decent amount of "boom" and also toss in some decent to above average games in there.
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Yeah he'd be a monster in New Orleans if they didn't use Snead so much in the slot and had Cooks run a lot of those routes as well. Maybe the #1 WR in dynasty if that happened.

 
Snap Counts from the FBG game recap for week 16

Thomas - 58

Cooks - 48

Snap counts for the year

Cooks - 826 (15 games)

Thomas - 802 (14 games)

In the first 6 games Cooks out snapped Thomas. In the last 8 games that Thomas has played he has out snapped Cooks 7 times.

Cooks is no longer New Orleans #1 WR......Michael Thomas is.

Personally I think it's a mistake to not feature Cooks more but Brees has always favored bigger receivers and it seems that it's never been a natural fit with Brees and Cooks. This shift in roles between Cooks and Thomas is what I believe is fueling the friction Cooks and the coaching staff/Brees are experiencing. That zero target game was not a mistake. It was a message from Brees and Payton to Cooks.

 
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Milkman said:
Snap Counts from the FBG game recap for week 16

Thomas - 58

Cooks - 48

Snap counts for the year

Cooks - 826 (15 games)

Thomas - 802 (14 games)

In the first 6 games Cooks out snapped Thomas. In the last 8 games that Thomas has played he has out snapped Cooks 7 times.

Cooks is no longer New Orleans #1 WR......Michael Thomas is.

Personally I think it's a mistake to not feature Cooks more but Brees has always favored bigger receivers and it seems that it's never been a natural fit with Brees and Cooks. This shift in roles between Cooks and Thomas is what I believe is fueling the friction Cooks and the coaching staff/Brees are experiencing. That zero target game was not a mistake. It was a message from Brees and Payton to Cooks.
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I am a bit surprised by all the grief Cooks is getting.  I played him week in and week out and am happy with #7 overall.  There weren't WRs lighting it up around the league every week.   He may have fallen behind Thomas but I see that as a 1A & 1B situation.  The fact that Thomas may draw more defensive coverage can be a good thing.   I'll be happy if he he stays in N'Orleans but could live with a trade to a plus team.  An exile to Cleveland on the other hand...

 
WR#7 in my mind is most likely going to be his all time high.  Maybe that makes him a sell high?  I think Cooks is good.  I don't mind owning him.  I think moving forward if he stays in NO with Thomas there and an aging Brees he is going to be more of a WR2 for fantasy football.

 
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