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WR Brandin Cooks, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
A lot if hes out for the season. Main question on Cooks was the target share. Well.....150 targets just became available.
Hogan a flex every week. Mitchell draftable now as depth. White and Lewis look a little more enticing.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Mitchell hasn't practiced in team activities in training camp yet and has his own knee issues. No timetable for his return.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Anarchy, you're obviously dialed in on the Patriots and I was curious how you think the target distribution will work out. Do you think they will design more plays to get Cooks the ball instead of him just being a deep vertical threat?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am sure they had some shorter routes available to him even before the Edelman injury, Part of the plan is to have Cooks have some shorter routes run over and over again, and then when the defense adjusts or gets complacent, have him run a double move and go deep.
I will have to think about how they will adjust. At first blush, I would guess Hogan becomes a fantasy WR2/3, Cooks becomes a mid-level WR1, Amendola might actually become fantasy relevant as a flex (if they wrap him in bubble wrap), and the RB's get some more receptions. I haven't quite got a handle on the RB targets yet. NE has been practicing lining up RBs in the slot and in the backfield, so maybe they add in some more of that.
I think this also hurts Brady's value a little, as it may take some time for him to get used to not having his binky to throw to.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Bradys gonna have around 600 pass attempts. Gronk gets 130 or so if he stays healthy. Thats a lot of targets left.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
Gronk,Cooks, and the receiving backs get bumped up. I like Lewis and Burkhead to play the most snaps in the crowded backfield. Cooks was always the number 1 receiver. He is simply way better than Edelman. Let's see if the rookie Carr makes the team.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Lewis probably not the option. There was talk earlier this off season of limiting him to 15-20 snaps a came to keep him healthy and fresh.
Foster also now a possible roster option, as he has been practicing with RBs and WRs. A lot will depend when they think Mitchell can play.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Well, I thought I might have Cooks somewhere as my WR2. In fact I try to avoid certain situations, but it looked an awful lot like I was going to have him as my WR2 in some leagues.
Not any more. He will simply be too expensive. Any interest I had up until tonight, is now gone. He just made my list of "too expensive to own".
TZM
Not any more. He will simply be too expensive. Any interest I had up until tonight, is now gone. He just made my list of "too expensive to own".
TZM
ponchsox
Footballguy
ZWK
Footballguy
Updating my Patriots target projections to remove Edelman:
131 WR Cooks (In 14.5 games, on pace for 145 tar, 95/1276/8.7)
115 RBs (In 16 games, on pace for 115 tar, 78/718/3.2)
108 TE Gronkowski (In 13.5 games, on pace for 128 tar, 82/1222/13.8)
84 WR Hogan (In 14.5 games, on pace for 93 tar, 56/744/4.4)
51 WR Amendola (In 13.5 games, on pace for 60 tar, 41/432/1.8)
44 TE Allen (In 14 games, on pace for 50 tar, 34/365/3.4)
41 WR Mitchell (In 13 games, on pace for 50 tar, 30/415/2.3)
30 Other WR/TE/other (In 16 games, on pace for 30 tar, 18/198/1.2)
This adds up to 392/604 for 4799 yards and 34 TDs.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Yes, and on that note, I'll take Michael Thomas if I had to choose between the two.
I think they will both be fine, but I am betting on Cooks being more boom and bust. In those scenarios, give me the more consistent guy.
In ANY CLOSE SCENARIO , give me the more consistent guy. Thats exactly what I try and draft in the first few rounds of my draft, consistency.
TZM
As a dynasty owner of Cooks in multiple leagues, a major stumbling block just got removed. Was hoping to get him in redraft too as a WR2 but his adp likely to really jump now. Cooks may flirt with top overall WR status this year if he stays healthy and has truly grasped the Pats playbook.
No worries about inconsistency anymore imo, Hogan and the RB's will definitely benefit but Cooks will too; evening out and providing a good floor instead of those possible multiple 1~3 catch games we were worried about with Edelman healthy. Edelman could have been an issue in 2018 as well with his guaranteed salary after the contract extension, but now he's gonna be 32 and coming off an ACL tear.
No worries about inconsistency anymore imo, Hogan and the RB's will definitely benefit but Cooks will too; evening out and providing a good floor instead of those possible multiple 1~3 catch games we were worried about with Edelman healthy. Edelman could have been an issue in 2018 as well with his guaranteed salary after the contract extension, but now he's gonna be 32 and coming off an ACL tear.
Tau837
Footballguy
Can you define this? Are you saying you now expect him to finish between WR5 and WR8?
CabinFever
Footballguy
KC Joyner must not know about Hogan...kid will become very fantasy relevant
Cooks going to be overdrafted now.
Cooks targets will get a little bump, but Edelman's targets are going to be distributed evenly across many: Hogan, Amendola, Gronk, RBs.
Burkhead even has experience playing in the slot. Could see D. Lewis there as well.
If anything, I now want more shares of the NE backfield. Probably bump Hogan up a bunch.
Cooks targets will get a little bump, but Edelman's targets are going to be distributed evenly across many: Hogan, Amendola, Gronk, RBs.
Burkhead even has experience playing in the slot. Could see D. Lewis there as well.
If anything, I now want more shares of the NE backfield. Probably bump Hogan up a bunch.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think the RBs and TEs will benefit from this more than Cooks. I don't see Cooks catching a lot of balls a slot guy would normally catch. Cooks will still be really good this year.
I think Hogan was going to see targets anyway (even though he was off everyone's radar until last night).
I think Hogan was going to see targets anyway (even though he was off everyone's radar until last night).
pantherclub
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Hogan will be massively overdrafted now, as he will clearly get a good bump in the beginning of the season, but (a) Amendola and the other mouths will get a big share, and (b) the targets will re-distribute more to Cooks way as the season progresses...
pantherclub
Footballguy
Define overdrafted? Because he is going 12ish now. I would easily take a flyer on him in the 10thish.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Re: Hogan, I probably agree. When I said he was going to get targets anyway, what I meant was that he should have a similar year to last. He won't be an every week guy, but he'll be a good bye week fill-in, with the hopes that that is one of the weeks he catches a bomb for a touchdown. I think he could easily be a 1,000-yard, 10-TD guy, but they have too many mouths to feed in NE.
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah giving it a little more thought I was already high on Cooks with Edelman healthy.....I think its a small bump for Cooks and the big beneficiary maybe Burkhead and Hogan.........
Cooks still gets a bump though and he should see more targets than he ever has.....130+.......
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
yes, the edelman injury probably moves him from less than last year to more than last year, but now some will have the 1000/10 expectation.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Well, I have no problem with reaching for a guy in rounds 8-12 by taking him a few rounds too early, if I think he will be good, but Hogan is not the guy I would take that minor risk on this year.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think it is odd that so many people don't seem to think that Cooks is capable of playing the slot or working the middle of the field. Perhaps "capable" is not the right word but let's not get into semantics on this one. It seems that the consensus is that Cooks was brought in to bring deep speed and not work the middle, which may be the case, but make no mistake Cooks can play from the slot, on the outside and even out of the backfield (which is how N.O. deployed him often as a rookie). Cooks has a complete game and NE was going to maximize it before Edelman got hurt and this will only increase his usage. The only place where Cooks was, and still is going to suffer is near the goal line that territory belongs to Gronk and the running game but that was the case before the injury too.
ponchsox
Footballguy
They have plenty of other weapons to draw coverage away from Cooks. He's going to get some of these Edelman targets now giving him more chances of taking it to the house. There will be games where the defense has no answer for him and Brady will exploit them.
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need2know
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
He's not exactly bad at scoring TD's but yeah it's def Gronk and the running game down there.....but they do some jet sweeps with him running towards Gronks side because Gronk is such a dominant blocker....I could see 2-3 rushing TD's for Cooks this year to go along with all the catches and receiving yards.....
Ilov80s
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Asslete
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
WOW.
Complete silence on his performance last night. 3 receptions on 7 targets isn't exactly lighting it up.
Can anyone expand on the game and how he looked? I did not see the game, but judging from the boxscore, barring the one 54 yard catch, last night was a complete dud.
I should get a chance in the next day or two to track down the game and have a look, but this doesn't exactly sound promising.
I think one good outlook is Malcolm Mitchell is now on IR, and Amendola in the concussion protocol, the targets should be coming hot and heavy in the coming weeks.
I know Cooks was going to be up and down a bit, but take away that one 50+ yard catch, and it was awful.
I hope to see the game in the next 24-48 hours, but was Tom Brady off? A buddy mentioned he noticed a few bad passes, one early on to Dwayne Allen. Just judging from the bits and pieces I have read, it might have just been a bad night for the Pats.
I'm surprised this thread isn't active after the game, but understandably all the bumps are in the Kareem Hunt and Gillislee threads.
Any input from the sharks who watched the game?
TZM
Complete silence on his performance last night. 3 receptions on 7 targets isn't exactly lighting it up.
Can anyone expand on the game and how he looked? I did not see the game, but judging from the boxscore, barring the one 54 yard catch, last night was a complete dud.
I should get a chance in the next day or two to track down the game and have a look, but this doesn't exactly sound promising.
I think one good outlook is Malcolm Mitchell is now on IR, and Amendola in the concussion protocol, the targets should be coming hot and heavy in the coming weeks.
I know Cooks was going to be up and down a bit, but take away that one 50+ yard catch, and it was awful.
I hope to see the game in the next 24-48 hours, but was Tom Brady off? A buddy mentioned he noticed a few bad passes, one early on to Dwayne Allen. Just judging from the bits and pieces I have read, it might have just been a bad night for the Pats.
I'm surprised this thread isn't active after the game, but understandably all the bumps are in the Kareem Hunt and Gillislee threads.
Any input from the sharks who watched the game?
TZM
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He drew three flags. Would have caught a TD if not for one of them. There were two other deep passes where they were close to connecting but the passes were a little underthrown and the defender was able to make a good play to get a hand in. Could have been a much bigger game. It seemed like he was Brady's No. 1 target. It was annoying when they got inside the 10 that they would take him out for their goal-line package with just the RBs and TEs. But I wouldn't be concerned about Cooks over this game.
rockaction
Footballguy
No way was that a dud. He went 3 for 88 and got wide open deep at least three times, catching one and drawing two PIs on others that were thirty-five plus. The problem is that you're getting no points for PIs. I own no shares of Cooks, and I'm pissed. He's going to be a deep threat for Brady all year and spread the field. Thank God for opponents that Edelman and Amendola are hurt or they'd operate underneath all year with impunity.
An impressive performance by Cooks, all said and done, especially if you're playing standard.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Now they can trade for Josh Gordon.
I would like to see them get him some underneath throws with the other guys out. I don't know if they feel they need to have him going deep all the time to spread the field.
shadyridr
Footballguy
He looked completely uncoverable out there. Drew like 5 total flags for pi and holding.
