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WR Bryant Johnson now a 49er (2 Viewers)

:thumbup: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
 
:mellow: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
 
:mellow: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
Probably not much demand for him.Lelie is as good as gone. IMO
 
:ptts: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
His big payday will come next year if he proves himself with this one-year deal. He must either believe in his talents enough to make this happen, or not have gotten offers for the big payday you speak of.
 
I'd like to see some projections. It won't be too difficult to dethrown D-Jax in the starting lineup IMO, but in Martz offense, everyone seems to get balls thrown their way.

 
:ptts: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
I think it's definitely a head scratcher. But if he has faith in his ability to move to #1 or #2 in SF, with Martz, it may seem like a good move. Lotta guys to battle with at WR, but I guess it's a good sign that he thinks he can beat out those guys.
 
I'd like to see some projections. It won't be too difficult to dethrown D-Jax in the starting lineup IMO, but in Martz offense, everyone seems to get balls thrown their way.
In a Martz offense, you're going to have the potential for good numbers even if you're the WR3.
 
:sadbanana: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
I think it's definitely a head scratcher. But if he has faith in his ability to move to #1 or #2 in SF, with Martz, it may seem like a good move. Lotta guys to battle with at WR, but I guess it's a good sign that he thinks he can beat out those guys.
Tough for a previous #3 wr to have a chance at a big payday. Its not warranted.
 
:sadbanana: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
I think it's definitely a head scratcher. But if he has faith in his ability to move to #1 or #2 in SF, with Martz, it may seem like a good move. Lotta guys to battle with at WR, but I guess it's a good sign that he thinks he can beat out those guys.
Tough for a previous #3 wr to have a chance at a big payday. Its not warranted.
This is just wrong. No shame being behind Fitz (arguable #1 Dynasty WR) and Boldin (considered top ten Dynasty WR). He COULD be very successful elsewhere and I like the confidence shown going to SF with so many to fight against.
 
:popcorn: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
I think it's definitely a head scratcher. But if he has faith in his ability to move to #1 or #2 in SF, with Martz, it may seem like a good move. Lotta guys to battle with at WR, but I guess it's a good sign that he thinks he can beat out those guys.
Tough for a previous #3 wr to have a chance at a big payday. Its not warranted.
This is just wrong. No shame being behind Fitz (arguable #1 Dynasty WR) and Boldin (considered top ten Dynasty WR). He COULD be very successful
Sure he could. Better to have 1 good year as a starter with a rebuilding team. If he does that he will get his big payday.
 
Anyone thinking that DJax might be the odd man out, and find himself playing in another city come September?

I've always felt Battle could excel in the Martz offense, and Bruce looks like a good fit as well, but DJax not so much..

..if this were to come to pass, would imagine Jackson might get a long look from the Eagles, or possibly wind up back in Seattle if Hackett signs elsewhere, or even with the 'skins in lieu of Hackett..

..just something that crossed my mind...

 
I'd like to see some projections. It won't be too difficult to dethrown D-Jax in the starting lineup IMO, but in Martz offense, everyone seems to get balls thrown their way.
No projector here, but...Detroit's top 4 catchers last year were:Shaun McDonald 79 943 11.9 6 Roy Williams 63 836 13.3 5 Calvin Johnson 48 756 15.8 4 Mike Furrey 61 664 10.9 1and this with essentially no running attack.Is it not unreasonable to project BJ in the mid 50's for catches...with 1/2 dozen TD's? 49'ers biggest WR now... :rolleyes:
 
Makes sense. At least the Niners realized they had to bring in some WR help or the Martz experiment would be a horrible, bloody, disgusting mess. Now, it should just be a pretty bad mess as for real NFL winning games sense. For the Fantasy sense there should be some good value here.

 
Anyone thinking that DJax might be the odd man out, and find himself playing in another city come September?I've always felt Battle could excel in the Martz offense, and Bruce looks like a good fit as well, but DJax not so much....if this were to come to pass, would imagine Jackson might get a long look from the Eagles, or possibly wind up back in Seattle if Hackett signs elsewhere, or even with the 'skins in lieu of Hackett....just something that crossed my mind...
DJax was a bad trade, not sure why anyone thought the Seahawks would trade him to their rival if they didn't think he was done. I'm not sure even the Eagles would want him at this point.
 
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B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor)

I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.

I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.

 
B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor) I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.
Let's check this: you're saying that an offense that finished last in the league by a long way will become "one heck of an offense" due to the addition of the #3 receiver from the Arizona Cardinals and a 35-year-old who had 733 yards and 4 TDs last year?
 
B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor) I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.
Let's check this: you're saying that an offense that finished last in the league by a long way will become "one heck of an offense" due to the addition of the #3 receiver from the Arizona Cardinals and a 35-year-old who had 733 yards and 4 TDs last year?
Did you miss the part where I mention both the addition of Martz and Smith hopefully progressing?
 
B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor)

I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.

I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.
Let's check this: you're saying that an offense that finished last in the league by a long way will become "one heck of an offense" due to the addition of the #3 receiver from the Arizona Cardinals and a 35-year-old who had 733 yards and 4 TDs last year?
Did you miss the part where I mention both the addition of Martz and Smith hopefully progressing?
Did you watch Detroit this year?
 
:goodposting: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
So it comes next year.BTW, do you have any idea where he was going to get that big pay day this year?

I have a feeling that if it was going to happen it would have happened quickly.

 
:unsure: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
So it comes next year.BTW, do you have any idea where he was going to get that big pay day this year?

I have a feeling that if it was going to happen it would have happened quickly.
I'm not saying that he would have broken the bank, but think he could have gotten a deal slightly less than Donte Stallworth got, which isn't bad. I guess to me it would make more sense than signing a one year deal and blowing out a knee or showing nothing and not getting anything next year. It is a gamble and not one I would have taken - unless his market isn't what I thought it was.
 
B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor) I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.
Let's check this: you're saying that an offense that finished last in the league by a long way will become "one heck of an offense" due to the addition of the #3 receiver from the Arizona Cardinals and a 35-year-old who had 733 yards and 4 TDs last year?
Did you miss the part where I mention both the addition of Martz and Smith hopefully progressing?
Smith is progressing to the unemployment line. His last 16 full games, he is 242/451 (53.7%) for 2519 yards (157 ypg, 5.6 ypa), with 10 TD and 16 INT. And he's looked awful.Martz last year ran an offense with a proven QB and better receivers than the Niners will have, and they finished 19th in total yardage. The year before that they finished 22nd.
 
:yes: Why did he only sign a one year deal?
Optimistic view is he is willing to sign a one year deal with an opportunity to show off skills in a featured role to get a better contract next year. Willing to fight against DJax, Bruce, Battle, and J Hill to get playing time.
I understand that, but from a business perspective...you get one chance at the "big" payday. I would think he could have set himself up nicely, somewhere.
So it comes next year.BTW, do you have any idea where he was going to get that big pay day this year?

I have a feeling that if it was going to happen it would have happened quickly.
I'm not saying that he would have broken the bank, but think he could have gotten a deal slightly less than Donte Stallworth got, which isn't bad. I guess to me it would make more sense than signing a one year deal and blowing out a knee or showing nothing and not getting anything next year. It is a gamble and not one I would have taken - unless his market isn't what I thought it was.
:lmao: Until yesterday, the Bills were the ONLY team that had shown significant interest in Johnson and that was only if he wasn't demanding a big deal (which the initial reports looked like he was). He didn't garner anywhere near the interest of Stallworth.

The 1-year deal with San Francisco is a win-win for Johnson and the 49ers. The 49ers get a big wide receiver that fits nicely into Martz's offense and Johnson will have a fantastic opportunity to finally showcase his skills in a pass-happy offense.

 
Either Bryant Johnson severely overestimated his value or he needs to fire his agent. Seriously. I'm sorry but no way can you spin his decision to sign a 1-year deal as anything but misreading the market. And if there were ever a year not to misread the market, it's 2008 given the massive free agent price inflation we've seen.

 
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.

As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect?

Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.

 
CalBear said:
jwb said:
B Johnson, A Battle, and J Hill could be a very formidable WR group (with old man Bruce being the mentor) I think Lelie is gone, and I never liked D Jax much - he might be gone too.I like what SF is doing. Add that trio to Gore and V Davis, with Martz at the controls.... if Smith can progress some (remember, he's still very, very young), that's going to be one heck of an offense.
Let's check this: you're saying that an offense that finished last in the league by a long way will become "one heck of an offense" due to the addition of the #3 receiver from the Arizona Cardinals and a 35-year-old who had 733 yards and 4 TDs last year?
Cal is surprisingly right, and the guys getting excited are horribly confused.1) AWFUL QB2) Martz glory days were the greatest show on turf - this ISN'T EVEN CLOSE3) The Lions never had "one heck of an offense" with Roy + Calvin4) Collection of WRs no one wanted, or would start on their own team.Bruce, BJ, DJAX, Battle, ehhhh. One of them might be a starter on another team. AWFUL teams like Buffalo - MAYBE. That's 4 WR3s. Jason Hill? Lord.Martz is trying to make chicken soup out of chick ####. They won't crack the top 20 in any offensive category, except maybe turnovers and sacks.
 
Chris Brown's blog on the Bills' website basically reiterates that Johnson overestimated his value on the free market with other teams. No one was willing to pay him Stallworth/Porter type money when he had never even had a 50-catch season.
 
There are some radically opposed view of the 49ers offensive potential for 09 in this thread. I know that Gore has done well the past few seasons so the running game OL play is decent at least. What about the pass blocking of the 49ers OL. I think that woulld be the key to their success in the "Martz system" as much as the talent of the WRs.

What about their OL for 09?

 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
I'm with you Bob. My guess is he's a fan of the West Coast, and certainly sees what Mike Martz has done for receivers in the past. I'm sure he thinks he's significantly better than many of the receivers who've benefited from Martz' play-calling in the past, and is banking on showing that. Intuitively, I would think he would have some concerns about the QB situation though, and the WR competition to boot. I do think, frankly, that there's way too much praise in the Pool for Jason Hill and Arnaz Battle. If they were capable performers (or rather if MARTZ thought so), they wouldn't have brought in Ike Bruce and Bryant Johnson. :loco:
 
Chris Brown's blog on the Bills' website basically reiterates that Johnson overestimated his value on the free market with other teams. No one was willing to pay him Stallworth/Porter type money when he had never even had a 50-catch season.
:popcorn: Seemed like he was looking for about $5-6M a year with a nice signing bonus and that just wasn't going to happen. Buffalo doesn't like to offer younger players one year deals. If you are a young FA and want to play for the Bills, then come sign a multi-year contract. They want guys committed to the Bills. And it makes sense to me to do it that way. A more veteran guy comes with more risk of injury or degraded performance. They also will probably take less time to learn the team's offensive or defensive system than a younger guy. So a one year contract in that situation may make more sense.And maybe this makes more sense for the Niners if they're going to use him as a #3 or #4. But I can't see signing a guy and expecting him to be your #2 WR only to lose him a year later and putting you back where you were before. I'm just glad that the Bills didn't give him a boatload of money.

 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
I'm with you Bob. My guess is he's a fan of the West Coast, and certainly sees what Mike Martz has done for receivers in the past. I'm sure he thinks he's significantly better than many of the receivers who've benefited from Martz' play-calling in the past, and is banking on showing that. Intuitively, I would think he would have some concerns about the QB situation though, and the WR competition to boot. I do think, frankly, that there's way too much praise in the Pool for Jason Hill and Arnaz Battle. If they were capable performers (or rather if MARTZ thought so), they wouldn't have brought in Ike Bruce and Bryant Johnson. :popcorn:
Of course, it's possible (don't know how likely) that Martz may want Nolan/SF to get rid of Jackson, Battle and Lelie. Maybe he is looking at a starting lineup of Bruce and Johnson with Hill in the slot. He made Shaun McDonald pretty darn productive and he's nothing more than a journey slot WR with good short area quickness and decent hands. I say this not knowing what, if any, salary cap impact would come of cutting Battle or Jackson. I doubt Lelie does anything in this competitive mix.I still think there were better situations for Johnson out there. Maybe behind the scenes Martz really believes in Shaun Hill and has sold Bruce and Johnson on him and that they'll be vastly improved this year. I'm not seeing it or believing it myself, but I will admit that Gore, Vernon Davis and the offensive line are nice starting points.. it's all about the QB and they better hope Shaun Hill can bring it. I have ZERO confidence that Alex Smith can bring anything but his smarts to the table.
 
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As a Seattle fan I was very upset when they traded Djack last year. I would love to have him back in Seattle, but I doubt he would want to come back, give the way he was shipped off.

 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
The guy had so many chances to excel while Boldin and Fitz were down and never did. The NFL must have seen the same thing as me, BJ just isn't that good...(yet)?
 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
The guy had so many chances to excel while Boldin and Fitz were down and never did. The NFL must have seen the same thing as me, BJ just isn't that good...(yet)?
Johnson will put up 1250/8 in SF next year.........write it down!!!!
 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
The guy had so many chances to excel while Boldin and Fitz were down and never did. The NFL must have seen the same thing as me, BJ just isn't that good...(yet)?
Johnson will put up 1250/8 in SF next year.........write it down!!!!
Actually, I think I will.
 
Jason Wood said:
Either Bryant Johnson severely overestimated his value or he needs to fire his agent. Seriously. I'm sorry but no way can you spin his decision to sign a 1-year deal as anything but misreading the market. And if there were ever a year not to misread the market, it's 2008 given the massive free agent price inflation we've seen.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. What do you mean "misreading the market"? Its not as if you have a choice to become a free agent or not. That's determined byt the contratc you sign x years ago. What would you expect his manager to do? Sign a one year deal or a similar deal for more years? Pont is, we don;t know what the other offers were. And if he didn't get ANY other offers, who's fault is that? How is that misreading or overestimating the market?
 
If I had to guess I'd say Johnson and Bruce will be the starters with Battle/Jackson as the WR3 with the loser being cut(likely Jackson.)

 
Bob Henry said:
This signing has me shuked. He couldn't find a better landing spot with less competition to prove himself? If you're going to sign a 1-year contract, at least go to a team where you have less competition to put numbers in the stat sheet.As it stands now, I think he'll be lucky to crack WR3 there, so why not just go back to Arizona where he has familiarity with the offense and much more to work with at the QB position. Is he blindly buying into the Martz effect? Jason Hill might even press him for playing time this year. Battle is solid, too. Bryant Johnson seems to be going the way of Ashley Lelie.. which is ironic since the two will be competing for spots in training camp.
The guy had so many chances to excel while Boldin and Fitz were down and never did. The NFL must have seen the same thing as me, BJ just isn't that good...(yet)?
Johnson will put up 1250/8 in SF next year.........write it down!!!!
Actually, I think I will.
It is a figue of speech............
 
There are some radically opposed view of the 49ers offensive potential for 09 in this thread. I know that Gore has done well the past few seasons so the running game OL play is decent at least. What about the pass blocking of the 49ers OL. I think that woulld be the key to their success in the "Martz system" as much as the talent of the WRs. What about their OL for 09?
There were some radically opposed views last year, too, and we know how that worked out. I won't bother bumping the threads. The Niners have some of the blindest homers anywhere.
 
Jason Wood said:
Either Bryant Johnson severely overestimated his value or he needs to fire his agent. Seriously. I'm sorry but no way can you spin his decision to sign a 1-year deal as anything but misreading the market. And if there were ever a year not to misread the market, it's 2008 given the massive free agent price inflation we've seen.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. What do you mean "misreading the market"? Its not as if you have a choice to become a free agent or not. That's determined byt the contratc you sign x years ago. What would you expect his manager to do? Sign a one year deal or a similar deal for more years? Pont is, we don;t know what the other offers were. And if he didn't get ANY other offers, who's fault is that? How is that misreading or overestimating the market?
:thumbup:
 
As a Seattle fan I was very upset when they traded Djack last year. I would love to have him back in Seattle, but I doubt he would want to come back, give the way he was shipped off.
He'll go anywhere someone is willing to give him a contract at this point. He was never that good and his best days are behind him so it's unlikely that Seattle would even want him back.
 

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