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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)

Yeah, yeah... I know …. this information is too late to be helpful….

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Jaguars receiver Calvin Ridley will face off against a Saints press-heavy defense tonight on TNF (29.7% press rate, 3rd in NFL).

Ridley has been more effective as a receiver against off coverage this season (compared to press) 📸

#JAXvsNO | #DUUUVAL
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Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore has aligned in press coverage 93 times this season, 3rd-most in the NFL.

The Saints are one of two teams (Chiefs) to rank top-6 in press coverage rate in each of the last four seasons.

#JAXvsNO | #Saints
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1 good game in 6 weeks. There are players we keep coming back to and they keep killing us and our subsequent roster management as we passed up replacements on the waivers for them. I think Ridley is a star table asset but this was really disappointing
 
Didn't see the game, but I am watching GameDay Morning and they mentioned Ridley being double teamed and Lawrence being forced to look elsewhere.
 
Similar to the Olave impression and watching him from a basic human standpoint he just looked odd last night. He actually looked overwhelmed mentally. All my opinion of course, but it just looked like he didn't want to to be there. Two differences between him and Olave. Ridley looked to give more effort, but Olave actually had heavy targets.
 
Not that it matters, but I think he actually did come down with that catch on the sideline and should have been challenged as it looks like he got his feet down.
Just a little solace, to go along with all the other "near-misses" from earlier this season.
Sigh.
 
footballpanda said:
So I guess just wait until he has an easy matchup and isn’t playing against press coverage, then hope he doesn’t have too many drops and TLaw has a good game and Kirk doesn’t dominate the game plan and they don’t get a big lead to just run the ball. If all those things happen you have a solid chance at a 15 point game.
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This is exactly my sentiment as well...

Just coming in here to say I was wrong. I pushed this one pretty hard before draft day and got him everywhere. I've watched the games and even still I have no clue why this situation isn't working. Ascending QB in the same offense adds a verified stud receiver, that guy comes in and looks unreal all pre-season, and by all metrics he's still doing it on the field. Sure he struggles a bit against press, but so do a lot of guys his size and they just win with separation. It's weird to say, but just like the post above - every single week there is a different reason for a very underwhelming stat line.
 
Everyone in here is acting like a 31 year old WR was going to be Justin Jefferson on this offense. He is doing good things for what they paid for him...do they sign him to a long term extension? prob not, but what they paid for him has def been worth it and has opened up the offense.
 
MCFootball123 said:
footballpanda said:
So I guess just wait until he has an easy matchup and isn’t playing against press coverage, then hope he doesn’t have too many drops and TLaw has a good game and Kirk doesn’t dominate the game plan and they don’t get a big lead to just run the ball. If all those things happen you have a solid chance at a 15 point game.
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This is exactly my sentiment as well...

Just coming in here to say I was wrong. I pushed this one pretty hard before draft day and got him everywhere. I've watched the games and even still I have no clue why this situation isn't working. Ascending QB in the same offense adds a verified stud receiver, that guy comes in and looks unreal all pre-season, and by all metrics he's still doing it on the field. Sure he struggles a bit against press, but so do a lot of guys his size and they just win with separation. It's weird to say, but just like the post above - every single week there is a different reason for a very underwhelming stat line.
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I avoided Ridley, thought he was being drafted too high. The problem for Ridley is.......Christian Kirk is pretty good himself and JAX paid Kirk alot of cash. And Zay Jones is a really good WR3. And Evan Engram is pretty good too. And Etienne is taking that step forward and is a really solid RB, along being a good pass catcher. And the Jags D isn't bad. So there is no reason for Lawrence to just force it to Ridley. Lawrence has plenty of options to throw to the open guy. I think NO did a good job taking Ridley out of the game. Teams can scheme a player out of the plan.

Correct in the fact that you can't start Ridley with confidence, but you can't cut him either.
 
kdpatron15 said:
Everyone in here is acting like a 31 year old WR was going to be Justin Jefferson on this offense. He is doing good things for what they paid for him...do they sign him to a long term extension? prob not, but what they paid for him has def been worth it and has opened up the offense.
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Are you taking about Calvin Ridley? If so, while he may be producing like he’s 31, he’s actually 28 years old.
 
MCFootball123 said:
kdpatron15 said:
Everyone in here is acting like a 31 year old WR was going to be Justin Jefferson on this offense. He is doing good things for what they paid for him...do they sign him to a long term extension? prob not, but what they paid for him has def been worth it and has opened up the offense.
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He is 28. Davante Adams is 30..Hopkins is 31...Lockett 31...Keenan 31
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oh lol, why did i think he was 31 o_O...well then i dont have an excuse lol
 
I was targeting this guy big time in the off-season. I’m thankful now I could only get him in one league at his off-season price tag. Now then… what would be fair market value for him today? I think I’d part with a late second round pick in dynasty. Sound about right?
 
I doubt I could trade him for anything of value today, but I also know he wouldn’t last 30 seconds on the waiver wire. He’ll be sitting on my bench for the foreseeable future… hello Rashee Rice!
 
kdpatron15 said:
Everyone in here is acting like a 31 year old WR was going to be Justin Jefferson on this offense. He is doing good things for what they paid for him...do they sign him to a long term extension? prob not, but what they paid for him has def been worth it and has opened up the offense.
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Nobody expected Jefferson type numbers but there was so much talk out of training camp that he was "uncoverable" and with an ascending QB like Lawrence, it looked like a nice situation even with Kirk on the other side. He moved up into the mid/late 3rd round and even there he seemed a decent value. Then has 100 (or close to it) yards and a TD in the first half of week 1 and people were shouting "he's going to be a top 5 WR".

I would be buying low and stashing at this point if you can. The almost catch he made on the sideline last night was amazing. Just barely hit the line. Lawrence didn't even look his way the first half. Then the one short pass, and the almost amazing one-handed catch. One uncatchable target and then a deep ball into double coverage. Hard to blame Ridley but the situation isn't good right now for sure. 4 targets :sick:
 
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I got a lot of thoughts on this I’m going to post in a bit but one quick thing I thought off is arguably the two most disappointing WR’s in fantasy football, Higgins and Ridley, are coached by the Taylor brothers. I also think some of their issues are similar, mainly in that they are both running deeper routes while their teams are feeding other player(s) on the shorter to intermediate tree.

Tee’s been dealing with an injury and does not go the long stretches of never seeing a target like Ridley does however.

Also both are in contract seasons and to this point I have not noticed any agitation by them over use. I think due to the layoff it’s more imperative for Ridley to show well this year to get paid and while teams look a lot deeper then fantasy stats I do wonder if his lack of overall production is going to start bothering him out of concerns for his contract. I hope so, because I’d like to see him tell the staff he’d like to see some changes to his usage.
 
Enzo....the Baker said:
After his week 1....sold him for a 1st . Probably in the 6 to 8 range
Happy with that
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I moved him for a first as well before the season (should be top half of draft), but only because I am stacked at WR and didn't really need him and probably wouldn't for the immediate future. But I did think he would do really well this season. Still early but definitely not going in a positive direction.
 
tricky92 said:
I doubt I could trade him for anything of value today, but I also know he wouldn’t last 30 seconds on the waiver wire. He’ll be sitting on my bench for the foreseeable future… hello Rashee Rice!
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Seem a bit knee jerk decision to me based off of just the most recent games performance.

I was reading Rice might lose opportunity to Hardman. Not sure if that is the case or not but KC WR targets seem pretty erratic to me and Ridley has performed better with similar targets as what Rice got recently.
 
Biabreakable said:
tricky92 said:
I doubt I could trade him for anything of value today, but I also know he wouldn’t last 30 seconds on the waiver wire. He’ll be sitting on my bench for the foreseeable future… hello Rashee Rice!
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Seem a bit knee jerk decision to me based off of just the most recent games performance.

I was reading Rice might lose opportunity to Hardman. Not sure if that is the case or not but KC WR targets seem pretty erratic to me and Ridley has performed better with similar targets as what Rice got recently.
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It is every game except 2. Does Hardman still play for the Chiefs?

edit: I guess he is back with the Chiefs. As you were.
 
abrunn1133 said:
Biabreakable said:
tricky92 said:
I doubt I could trade him for anything of value today, but I also know he wouldn’t last 30 seconds on the waiver wire. He’ll be sitting on my bench for the foreseeable future… hello Rashee Rice!
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Seem a bit knee jerk decision to me based off of just the most recent games performance.

I was reading Rice might lose opportunity to Hardman. Not sure if that is the case or not but KC WR targets seem pretty erratic to me and Ridley has performed better with similar targets as what Rice got recently.
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It is every game except 2. Does Hardman still play for the Chiefs?

edit: I guess he is back with the Chiefs. As you were.
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LOL.

Ok Sarge. =P
 
As far as Ridleys lack of numbers in this game there are myraid reasons for that. Many of them pointed out in the Lawrence thread today.

Short week. Lawrence playing through an injury. Game plan was to get rid of the ball quickly to protect Lawrence from the pass rush. Best cover corner of the Saints on Ridley. Likely more than that, I will just wait for menobrowns likely insightful post.

But hey who wants reasons/excuses after the fact if they already started him, when its too late to change that decision?

Easier to just call him a bum instead of :ptts:
 
Biabreakable said:
As far as Ridleys lack of numbers in this game there are myraid reasons for that. Many of them pointed out in the Lawrence thread today.

Short week. Lawrence playing through an injury. Game plan was to get rid of the ball quickly to protect Lawrence from the pass rush. Best cover corner of the Saints on Ridley. Likely more than that, I will just wait for menobrowns likely insightful post.

But hey who wants reasons/excuses after the fact if they already started him, when its too late to change that decision?

Easier to just call him a bum instead of :ptts:
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Yep. I'll more then likely put out two separate offers for Ridley.
 
I'm as disappointed about his fantasy performance as anyone here, trust me on that.

While I realize this is a fantasy message board I'm looking for a deeper conversation then "Ridley sucks". That has been mainly true in fantasy, it's not true in real life.

He's doing his job in the context of the offense. He's being treated like the teams #1WR because that's what he is but a #1WR does not always mean target leader. Pederson said this morning teams are rolling coverage his way and they got to find a way to get him more involved. At this point they've been content letting him open things up for others, again doing his job does not mean he sucks because he's disappointed our fantasy teams.

Two notions I'd like to clear up.

Notion #1, that he's not a #1 NFL WR:

He's treated by opposing defenses as just that, a #1. But forget that for a second and all I can say is if you can conclude after 7 games he's NOT a #1 what about the games he played without Julio in Atlanta as the #1 and excelled in those games? He had 8 full games without Julio playing and had one single digit fantasy game, a 3/28 his rookie season. In total in those 8 games he went for 53/793/3 and again that was operating as the #1.

Notion #2 that he's useless against press man coverage.

It's the weakest part of his game for sure but he's excelled against Lattimore in the past and someone even wrote and article about it with video evdience: Ridley highlights Lattimores up and down play

Even the best WR's in the league need help getting schemed open and it's pretty common for a lot of smaller WR's to struggle against press man. For instance it's the weakest part of Garret Wilsons game. But moving the WR around, setting picks, and most of all using motion are all fairly easy ways to help out the WR. These are things the Jags are almost never doing. I think I noticed two times last night they put Ridley in motion and they ran a sweep to ETN on one of them. They just put him out wide, don't help him, and ask him to win deep while usually facing the top CB and getting coverage rolled his way. Almost all of the scheming in this offense is to utilize Kirk and Engram underneath while using Ridley to creat space for them.

It's frustrating for fantasy, but this is not on Ridley, like not even a little.
 
Ridley has the speed, hands and elite route running to be an true #1 wr. The biggest problem is the Jags offense spreads it around to much. Ridley has 48 targets. Thielen has 59 in one less game. The question isn't will he become a wr1 for fantasy this year? It's will he become a wr2 for fantasy this year? I'm trying to buy at that wr3ish price hoping for wr2 numbers. It's a long season..
 
Thielen has 59 targets because the panthers suck and get blown out on a weekly basis so they get garbage points. As the poster said above, Jags are 5-2 and Ridley is getting treated as #1. He just has to elevate his Game further now which I am sure he will.
 
Yeah as mad as I am about last night and probably going to lose because of it, now that I had time to sleep on it I think Ridley is a great buy low. The guy is way too talented to be this bad. No I am not expected WR1 #s but if you can get him for WR3 value Id jump all over that.
 
Ridley has been disappointing fantasy wise, and possibly even a little NFL wise (drops and such) but I can't imagine the Jags are unhappy with him.

He's likely not going to hit preseason expectations unless the Jags are forced to throw. When the Jags needed to make plays against Buffalo, it was Ridley who did it.

I think if people are ready to completely jump off, he's a worthy buy-low. I was hoping for a low-end WR1 in September, but I think low-end WR2 is still very much my expectation. Truthfully, I still think there is an argument for him over Kirk, as these things have a tendency to level out (if Kirk keeps having nice games, teams may start to try and stop him more) but yeah, sucks for people like me who started Ridley last night (other option was Deebo and figured don't risk a 0 on a guy who may not play, will make little difference) but better days will be ahead surely.
 
kdpatron15 said:
Thielen has 59 targets because the panthers suck and get blown out on a weekly basis so they get garbage points. As the poster said above, Jags are 5-2 and Ridley is getting treated as #1. He just has to elevate his Game further now which I am sure he will.
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Not totally in disagreement with u, but not all his heavy targets usage is in garbage time. They were within one score in 2 of the 6 games. Within two scores within another 2 of 6 games and actually up 2 scores against dolphins. Garbage time or not Thielen is always the 1st read where Ridley is not.
 
FarFromHome said:
kdpatron15 said:
Thielen has 59 targets because the panthers suck and get blown out on a weekly basis so they get garbage points. As the poster said above, Jags are 5-2 and Ridley is getting treated as #1. He just has to elevate his Game further now which I am sure he will.
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Not totally in disagreement with u, but not all his heavy targets usage is in garbage time. They were within one score in 2 of the 6 games. Within two scores within another 2 of 6 games and actually up 2 scores against dolphins. Garbage time or not Thielen is always the 1st read where Ridley is not.
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I think if you have Rid on the panthers he has even better numbers than Thielen lol. I get what you are saying but last night was just a product of game plan, I don’t expect that to happen again.
 
Ds are definitely treating Ridley like an aIpha. He’s a true #1, albeit with a little rust to his game from the layoff.

Some people don’t realize Ridley is still on his rookie contract (5th-year option) because of the suspension. He’ll be a FA & will have his choice of teams. Kinda doubt Ridley is with the Jags in ‘24. KC would be nice.

Still like Ridley a lot in dynasty.
 
Football Jones said:
menobrown said:
The Gator said:
Football Jones said:
Ds are definitely treating Ridley like an aIpha. He’s a true #1,
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Is he though?

If this is the result of him being finally treated as the #1, then he might not be imo. He might need a Julio to take the other teams best CB.
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You might need to look his and Julio's game logs.
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Why would I need to look at their game logs?
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Pretty sure that was meant for me lol
 
The Gator said:
Football Jones said:
Ds are definitely treating Ridley like an aIpha. He’s a true #1,
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Is he though?

If this is the result of him being finally treated as the #1, then he might not be imo. He might need a Julio to take the other teams best CB.
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I believe he had very good numbers without Julio.

Ds sure are treating him like an alpha…& that’s with a good WR in Kirk opposite him. Ridley has shown stud skills in the past & he’s not that old.

He’ll get paid like a stud in the offseason.
 
The Gator said:
Football Jones said:
menobrown said:
The Gator said:
Football Jones said:
Ds are definitely treating Ridley like an aIpha. He’s a true #1,
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Is he though?

If this is the result of him being finally treated as the #1, then he might not be imo. He might need a Julio to take the other teams best CB.
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You might need to look his and Julio's game logs.
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Why would I need to look at their game logs?
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Pretty sure that was meant for me lol
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Yes sir.
 
Football Jones said:
menobrown said:
The Gator said:
Football Jones said:
Ds are definitely treating Ridley like an aIpha. He’s a true #1,
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Is he though?

If this is the result of him being finally treated as the #1, then he might not be imo. He might need a Julio to take the other teams best CB.
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You might need to look his and Julio's game logs.
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Why would I need to look at their game logs?
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I guess I got mixed up, lol.
 
People saying that this guy is an alpha/#1 reviewer are delusional. He should be that, but he is nowhere near that category right now. He has everything going for him in the offense that he is currently playing and has gotten over 40 yards twice in seven games. No #1 wide receiver in any offense in the history of the NFLs modern era has done that. This guy is very talented, but there has to be a reason why Lawrence never looks his way.
 
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