WR Chris Godwin, TB (2 Viewers)

[HellToupee]

On his way to an All Pro season. Just so mad he was in the game.

Everyone is defending Bowles on this now. Team still had a shot. Within 10. Already was successful with 1 onside kick. Do you just give up in that situation?

No timeouts down 10 with 40 seconds left. Baltimore win prob was 99.9. Yea you take a knee and go home. You spend the whole preseason benching guys, training camp is modified to not allow a ton of hitting so people don’t get hurt, these idiot coaches spend 19 hours a day in their office looking for an advantage and then you do this? It’s reckless and idiotic.

In 2022, Jets were down 30-17 with 1:50 left to play. Conventional wisdom said take a knee and call it a day. Jets won 31-30 cause they kept playing till the final whistle.

These guys get paid millions to win games. They are not giving up on any of them if there's a sliver of a chance to win.

There was no sliver of a chance to win. There were 40 seconds left down two scores.

They got the ball back with 1:34. Just quit then?

You’re right, blowing your season for 0.01 chance to win against a non-conference opponent was way better.

And yes, they should’ve just handed the ball off and ran it out.

If they have a mad scramble to get back to within 10, use up their timeouts to get the ball back with 1:34 and then decided to pull everyone and run the clock out, you're saying as a TB fan you would not be cursing his name as a gutless coward right now?

Right. And what would have been the point in trying to score with 3 minutes left, or 6 minutes left, if you are just gonna then give up after scoring.

Put the backups in down 41 to 18 or whatever and go nuts scrambling around with those guys to pad the stats. That’s all you’re doing there. When I walked out of the stadium with 8 minutes left I figured Trask was going to get some game reps.

This is the point. Down ten with 1:30 to go is the fool’s gold. They weren’t winning the game.

It was always a long shot but with the new onside kickoff rules it makes it almost impossible. You would think that would factor in a teams decision

 

[titusbramble]

Those people saying "game is over shouldn't be in", really? It's 10 points and 40 seconds. Yes it's going to need some sort of Diggs v Saints level defensive calamity in the next couple of plays, but if that happens then it's just recover onside + two quick outs + bink FG hello overtime. If they're down 12 then yeah, take a knee and be done with it, but they're not drawing completely dead.

Obviously really sucks for Godwin and hope he's fully healed up for 2025

 

[steelwind]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
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I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

Might also explain why they did not throw anything to Flowers after that hip drop tackle. Ravens knew Flowers was being targeted for injury. So we saw Bateman taking on additional plays. Unfortunate as I am a Flowers owner and I was counting on him last night. A game within a game.

 

[Hankmoody]

That’s not the point. The point is that they should have quit earlier. They were never going to win. They got EXTREMELY lucky and STILL lost by 10.

This isn't how people that make it to the top of a profession, ANY PROFESSION, think. It's not even in their DNA, and guys that quit earlier never even get head coaching jobs at the highest levels.

I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

Well duh, it's the NFL. NFL players play NFL football.

 

[Judge Smails]

On his way to an All Pro season. Just so mad he was in the game.

Everyone is defending Bowles on this now. Team still had a shot. Within 10. Already was successful with 1 onside kick. Do you just give up in that situation?

No timeouts down 10 with 40 seconds left. Baltimore win prob was 99.9. Yea you take a knee and go home. You spend the whole preseason benching guys, training camp is modified to not allow a ton of hitting so people don’t get hurt, these idiot coaches spend 19 hours a day in their office looking for an advantage and then you do this? It’s reckless and idiotic.

In 2022, Jets were down 30-17 with 1:50 left to play. Conventional wisdom said take a knee and call it a day. Jets won 31-30 cause they kept playing till the final whistle.

These guys get paid millions to win games. They are not giving up on any of them if there's a sliver of a chance to win.

There was no sliver of a chance to win. There were 40 seconds left down two scores.

They got the ball back with 1:34. Just quit then?

You’re right, blowing your season for 0.01 chance to win against a non-conference opponent was way better.

And yes, they should’ve just handed the ball off and ran it out.

If they have a mad scramble to get back to within 10, use up their timeouts to get the ball back with 1:34 and then decided to pull everyone and run the clock out, you're saying as a TB fan you would not be cursing his name as a gutless coward right now?

Right. And what would have been the point in trying to score with 3 minutes left, or 6 minutes left, if you are just gonna then give up after scoring.

Put the backups in down 41 to 18 or whatever and go nuts scrambling around with those guys to pad the stats. That’s all you’re doing there. When I walked out of the stadium with 8 minutes left I figured Trask was going to get some game reps.

This is the point. Down ten with 1:30 to go is the fool’s gold. They weren’t winning the game.

It was always a long shot but with the new onside kickoff rules it makes it almost impossible. You would think that would factor in a teams decision

Uhhh. They just recovered one

 

[Judge Smails]

I mean, anybody who thinks this is settled can't read either:

a) a room

or

b) just read period.

My God what do you mean by that? We know your stance. You’re not open to consider the game wasn’t completely over and think Bowles should have thrown in the towel down 10 with the ball and 1:30 left. A bunch of us completely disagree with you. The fact that you and Capella are Bucs/Godwin fanboys doesn’t change our opinion. We don’t have to “read the room” or change our minds to your way of thinking on this. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Insein]

On his way to an All Pro season. Just so mad he was in the game.

Everyone is defending Bowles on this now. Team still had a shot. Within 10. Already was successful with 1 onside kick. Do you just give up in that situation?

No timeouts down 10 with 40 seconds left. Baltimore win prob was 99.9. Yea you take a knee and go home. You spend the whole preseason benching guys, training camp is modified to not allow a ton of hitting so people don’t get hurt, these idiot coaches spend 19 hours a day in their office looking for an advantage and then you do this? It’s reckless and idiotic.

In 2022, Jets were down 30-17 with 1:50 left to play. Conventional wisdom said take a knee and call it a day. Jets won 31-30 cause they kept playing till the final whistle.

These guys get paid millions to win games. They are not giving up on any of them if there's a sliver of a chance to win.

There was no sliver of a chance to win. There were 40 seconds left down two scores.

They got the ball back with 1:34. Just quit then?

You’re right, blowing your season for 0.01 chance to win against a non-conference opponent was way better.

And yes, they should’ve just handed the ball off and ran it out.

If they have a mad scramble to get back to within 10, use up their timeouts to get the ball back with 1:34 and then decided to pull everyone and run the clock out, you're saying as a TB fan you would not be cursing his name as a gutless coward right now?

Right. And what would have been the point in trying to score with 3 minutes left, or 6 minutes left, if you are just gonna then give up after scoring.

Put the backups in down 41 to 18 or whatever and go nuts scrambling around with those guys to pad the stats. That’s all you’re doing there. When I walked out of the stadium with 8 minutes left I figured Trask was going to get some game reps.

This is the point. Down ten with 1:30 to go is the fool’s gold. They weren’t winning the game.

It was always a long shot but with the new onside kickoff rules it makes it almost impossible. You would think that would factor in a teams decision

Uhhh. They just recovered one

Ironically the only 2 successful onsides this year were against the Ravens.

 

[Buckna]

I tend to agree they should have kept playing to try to win, however improbable. Interesting though that statistically ever since the NFL changed the kickoff rules in 2018, onside kicks have been recovered at a 21% rate when they are surprise kicks. That percentage drops to 8% when the other team knows it's an onside kick which the rule changes forced teams to declare this year.

Having trouble finding anything definitive, but only instance I can find so far in the NFL of a team recovering more than one onside kick in a game was in 2005 with Titans vs Colts. Titans attempted surprise onside kicks on their first 3 kickoffs and recovered attempts 1 & 3. Probably some others in history but my Google-fu may not be the strongest.

 

[Gally]

Might also explain why they did not throw anything to Flowers after that hip drop tackle. Ravens knew Flowers was being targeted for injury.

What? Come on now.....do you honestly think they were targeting Flowers (or anyone for that matter) to purposely try and injury them?

 

[apalmer]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
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I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

If the game was over, shouldn't Baltimore have pulled their starting D and have guys playing it safe so they didn't get hurt?

 

[Ray_T]

On his way to an All Pro season. Just so mad he was in the game.

Everyone is defending Bowles on this now. Team still had a shot. Within 10. Already was successful with 1 onside kick. Do you just give up in that situation?

I don’t know.
The coaching staff needs to take some blame for losing two great receivers in the same game. Theres no way Evans should have been in either, and he ended up really hurt. And everything that could have gone right for Tampa did and they still lost by 10. There was no way they were winning that game.

Not everybody is defending Todd Bowles. I think Smails is mistaken. I'm certainly not. I didn't buy the two onsides kicks rule thing, either. I was blaming him before that was even an inkling in the public's eye. Never should have had Godwin in there. I don't know about Evans.

I mean, you've gotta play the guys even if the game is out of hand at times, but not this time and not down by that and not already having lost Evans.

Evans has nothing to do with Godwin. It was possible that Mayfield throws a TD and they already recovered an onside kick. If so just needed a FG. The game was not over. It’s not as if they were down 3 scores. I know you’re upset but most coaches in the league would have played that out with all of their starters. Maybe you don’t agree with Bowles, but Ryan Clark and others did. Joe Buck doesn’t count in my book

it also sets a bad precedent.

I think the team wanted to try for the miracle comeback. they were not letting up and good on em for being that way. Its just crappy that the result was an injury, but that injury could happen at any point in the game but its more likely to happen at the end when everyone is fatigued

 

[kutta]

That’s not the point. The point is that they should have quit earlier. They were never going to win. They got EXTREMELY lucky and STILL lost by 10.

This isn't how people that make it to the top of a profession, ANY PROFESSION, think. It's not even in their DNA, and guys that quit earlier never even get head coaching jobs at the highest levels.

I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

Well duh, it's the NFL. NFL players play NFL football.

So why do we EVER see people pull their starters? Because it’s smart. Smart people advance in their careers. Not the bull-headed never ever ever quit guys.

 

[Ray_T]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
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I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

If the game was over, shouldn't Baltimore have pulled their starting D and have guys playing it safe so they didn't get hurt?

Tampa wasnt letting up. you gotta defend your lead to the extent you can.

If Tampa was throwing in the towel I'm pretty sure it would have been all backups in there. but that clearly was not the case here.

 

[Judge Smails]

That’s not the point. The point is that they should have quit earlier. They were never going to win. They got EXTREMELY lucky and STILL lost by 10.

This isn't how people that make it to the top of a profession, ANY PROFESSION, think. It's not even in their DNA, and guys that quit earlier never even get head coaching jobs at the highest levels.

I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

Well duh, it's the NFL. NFL players play NFL football.

So why do we EVER see people pull their starters? Because it’s smart. Smart people advance in their careers. Not the bull-headed never ever ever quit guys.

When the game is mathematically over. Like 2 minutes left down 3 scores.

 

[Judge Smails]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

 

[kutta]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

 

[btemp]

I think the team wanted to try for the miracle comeback. they were not letting up and good on em for being that way. Its just crappy that the result was an injury, but that injury could happen at any point in the game but its more likely to happe

Hard, hard disagree. I think this is a horrible decision. Like it will cost the Bucs the season and hopefully Bowles his job. It's that bad.

An aside, Evans should never have been playing. He wants to gut it out, fine, but when a coach sees him limping that badly... We all know how hamstrings are and I was watching that FIRST PLAY and I knew he was going to tear his hamstring.

Then, you have the game being totally over. There's no miracle comeback at that stage. You're beyond miracle, you're at the point where it would have been the greatest comeback in NFL history by a wide, wide mile.

If it's the playoffs, you go for it. But with 5+ minutes starters should've been out of there. Zero question, it's not even worth debating. Because you're upside is (1) you have the most improbable comeback in NFL history or (2) you seriously injure someone like Godwin or Mayfield. And with a massive division game next week?

Hell, the Ravens had long pulled their starters. Tells you everything right there.

The Bucs season is likely now over. All because of two idiotic decisions made in this game. I'd fire Bowles over this at season's end.

 

[steelwind]

Might also explain why they did not throw anything to Flowers after that hip drop tackle. Ravens knew Flowers was being targeted for injury.

What? Come on now.....do you honestly think they were targeting Flowers (or anyone for that matter) to purposely try and injury them?

Yes I do. I think it went both ways. Now Godwin's injury is under investigation. Prob nothing will happen.
We don't have all the details. But those players on the field are talking smack at each other the entire game.
In every contested game, basketball/football, there's players always trying to get under each other's skin.
And we all know Roquan Smith is a dirty playah.

 

[Gally]

, there's players always trying to get under each other's skin.

There is a big difference between getting under the other team's skin and purposely trying to injure someone. The tackle is "under investigation" just like every tackle that could be considered a hip drop tackle. This is nothing more than a normal play in an NFL game. Trying to say it was and intent to purposely injure another player is insane.

 

[tkrull1]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
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While I'm certainly not advocating more referee involvement with judgment calls, if you want to get rid of the hip drop tackle it has to be an in-game penalty. A fine after the fact likely doesn't even register with the player.

I realize this isn't really the point of your post, but I really hate seeing guys get hurt by this type of tackle.

 

[Capella]

I think the team wanted to try for the miracle comeback. they were not letting up and good on em for being that way. Its just crappy that the result was an injury, but that injury could happen at any point in the game but its more likely to happe

Hard, hard disagree. I think this is a horrible decision. Like it will cost the Bucs the season and hopefully Bowles his job. It's that bad.

An aside, Evans should never have been playing. He wants to gut it out, fine, but when a coach sees him limping that badly... We all know how hamstrings are and I was watching that FIRST PLAY and I knew he was going to tear his hamstring.

Then, you have the game being totally over. There's no miracle comeback at that stage. You're beyond miracle, you're at the point where it would have been the greatest comeback in NFL history by a wide, wide mile.

If it's the playoffs, you go for it. But with 5+ minutes starters should've been out of there. Zero question, it's not even worth debating. Because you're upside is (1) you have the most improbable comeback in NFL history or (2) you seriously injure someone like Godwin or Mayfield. And with a massive division game next week?

Hell, the Ravens had long pulled their starters. Tells you everything right there.

The Bucs season is likely now over. All because of two idiotic decisions made in this game. I'd fire Bowles over this at season's end.

Best post in this thread. Feels like it came right out of my brain.

 

[menobrown]

An aside, Evans should never have been playing.

That was a worse decision then leaving the starters on the field when Godwin got hurt.

 

[Grahamburn]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

This I agree with. If you do it that’s when you do it.

However, they tried to come back and scored twice in the process. It would have been pretty silly to pack it win with two minutes left and the ball once you’ve clawed back to within two scores.

 

[dipandglide]

I missed this injury. This is brutal. Godwin seems like one of the better guys in the league. Heal up big guy

 

[kutta]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

This I agree with. If you do it that’s when you do it.

However, they tried to come back and scored twice in the process. It would have been pretty silly to pack it win with two minutes left and the ball once you’ve clawed back to within two scores.

And I’ll agree with that.
But as I said earlier, I still think that’s fool’s gold. I’ve done some research, and I THINK the Bucs winning this game would have been the largest deficit ever overcome in that amount of time. So sure, getting it “close” was nice, but they weren’t winning that game.

 

[Insein]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

It seems most of us are saying play to the end while some (less than most) are making a big deal out of it because Godwin got hurt.

 

[Grahamburn]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

It seems most of us are saying play to the end while some (less than most) are making a big deal out of it because Godwin got hurt.

I said at the 6:00 minute mark or whatever that they should take guys out. No way they’re coming back. Then they got the Zyon play. Scored. Got the ball back. Scored. Got the kick. Scored.

I was proud of them that they kept fighting right up until that injury.

 

[Marauder]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

3 TD's with 6 minutes to go is definitely not over. I'm pretty sure there have been comebacks that big before. I can buy the argument that, as a game theory play, you should pull your key starters at that point since the risk of injury outweighs the value of the very small potential for a comeback but I don't think I've ever seen a team do it at that point, and the coach would certainly get a lot criticism for making that decision.

 

[Tin Cup]

I missed this injury. This is brutal. Godwin seems like one of the better guys in the league. Heal up big guy

Nice to see someone actually mention Godwin in the Godwin thread instead of taking sides and playing MMQB on coaching decisions.

IMO, the only “side” as it relates to Godwin should be that one of the best WRs in the league suffered an unfortunate and serious injury, and to wish him a full recovery.

 

[btemp]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

3 TD's with 6 minutes to go is definitely not over. I'm pretty sure there have been comebacks that big before. I can buy the argument that, as a game theory play, you should pull your key starters at that point since the risk of injury outweighs the value of the very small potential for a comeback but I don't think I've ever seen a team do it at that point, and the coach would certainly get a lot criticism for making that decision.

That might've been the biggest comeback in NFL history. Someone can hopefully find those stats, but needing two onside kicks alone is impossible. You're at a 0.03% chance JUST THERE (depending on season).

But I'll remind you, with 6 min left the Bucs were down by 23 points. That means they need 3 TDs and 3 2-point conversions (otherwise it's a tie and you go to OT which you still don't win). That then means multiple hail maries and onside kicks.

You're fighting a war, not a battle, and health is one the best determinant of postseason success among playoff teams. The Bucs just tanked their season. Congrats on the insanely stupid decision.

 

[FarFromHome]

Its just easy to back seat drive this today. I have no problem with him playing. Evans was banged up. He shouldn't have been playing. Imo

 

[TheWinz]

Totally disagree with all the folks saying pack it in. Using that logic, as soon as a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, they should forfeit all remaining games. They are only playing for injuries and a WORSE draft spot! You really want to ask someone if they think keeping Godwin in was the right decision? Ask Godwin himself, and I guarantee he says yes.

 

[Marauder]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

3 TD's with 6 minutes to go is definitely not over. I'm pretty sure there have been comebacks that big before. I can buy the argument that, as a game theory play, you should pull your key starters at that point since the risk of injury outweighs the value of the very small potential for a comeback but I don't think I've ever seen a team do it at that point, and the coach would certainly get a lot criticism for making that decision.

That might've been the biggest comeback in NFL history. Someone can hopefully find those stats, but needing two onside kicks alone is impossible. You're at a 0.03% chance JUST THERE (depending on season).

But I'll remind you, with 6 min left the Bucs were down by 23 points. That means they need 3 TDs and 3 2-point conversions (otherwise it's a tie and you go to OT which you still don't win). That then means multiple hail maries and onside kicks.

You're fighting a war, not a battle, and health is one the best determinant of postseason success among playoff teams. The Bucs just tanked their season. Congrats on the insanely stupid decision.

With 6 minutes to go you don't necessarily need any successful onside kicks. In fact you are not close to trying for onside kicks yet. I'm a Chargers fan so I've seen a lot of big 4th quarter blown leads. Usually they happen because of turnovers. The RB gets stripped and you run it in for a TD. Now, it's a two TD (and 2pt conversion) away with 5 and a half minutes to go. Much more doable.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Totally disagree with all the folks saying pack it in. Using that logic, as soon as a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, they should forfeit all remaining games. They are only playing for injuries and a WORSE draft spot! You really want to ask someone if they think keeping Godwin in was the right decision? Ask Godwin himself, and I guarantee he says yes.

Yeah, and Tua Tagovailoa thinks he should have played weeks ago after his 100th concussion. Sometimes players need to be protected from themselves.

 

[-OZ-]

looks like Ridley goes back into the lineup.
The bucs look too good this year to not trade for a WR now.

Who is still on the block?

Possibly Nuk.

https://atozsports.com/nfl/tennessee-titans-news/new-deandre-hopkins-trade-partner-emerged-for-titans-after-sundays-nfl-slate/

Surely the Bucs could have afforded a 4th.

 

[rockaction]

I mean, anybody who thinks this is settled can't read either:

a) a room

or

b) just read period.

My God what do you mean by that? We know your stance. You’re not open to consider the game wasn’t completely over and think Bowles should have thrown in the towel down 10 with the ball and 1:30 left. A bunch of us completely disagree with you. The fact that you and Capella are Bucs/Godwin fanboys doesn’t change our opinion. We don’t have to “read the room” or change our minds to your way of thinking on this. We can agree to disagree.

Read my post more carefully. It’s in response to Tin Cup’s (I’m paraphrasing) “some people seem to want to dig their heels in and argue with the whole internet.”

I was saying that if that was directed at me then he ought to read more of the internet, never mind this very thread. People are indeed disagreeing in different ways and in different but significant numbers to where one side is not “arguing with the whole internet,” or whatever he said.

I was not saying people couldn’t disagree. Again, read the wording carefully. “Anybody who thinks this is settled can’t read . . . "

That means that reasonable people are debating and disagreeing, unlike his postulation (that one side dominates the discussion). It’s the exact opposite of how you’re reading what I’m saying, which is fine, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying to the point where you think I’m saying the complete opposite of what I am actually saying.

 

[Tin Cup]

I mean, anybody who thinks this is settled can't read either:

a) a room

or

b) just read period.

My God what do you mean by that? We know your stance. You’re not open to consider the game wasn’t completely over and think Bowles should have thrown in the towel down 10 with the ball and 1:30 left. A bunch of us completely disagree with you. The fact that you and Capella are Bucs/Godwin fanboys doesn’t change our opinion. We don’t have to “read the room” or change our minds to your way of thinking on this. We can agree to disagree.

Read my post more carefully. It’s in response to Tin Cup’s (I’m paraphrasing) “some people seem to want to dig their heels in and argue with the whole internet.”

I was saying that if that was directed at me then he ought to read more of the internet, never mind this very thread. People are indeed disagreeing in different ways and in different but significant numbers to where one side is not “arguing with the whole internet,” or whatever he said.

I was not saying people couldn’t disagree. Again, read the wording carefully. “Anybody who thinks this is settled can’t read . . . "

That means that reasonable people are debating and disagreeing, unlike his postulation (that one side dominates the discussion). It’s the exact opposite of how you’re reading what I’m saying, which is fine, but I think you massively misunderstood what I was saying to the point where you think I’m saying the complete opposite of what the text and context gives you.

Any news on Godwin to contribute, or just more soapboxing?

 

[rockaction]

I mean, anybody who thinks this is settled can't read either:

a) a room

or

b) just read period.

My God what do you mean by that? We know your stance. You’re not open to consider the game wasn’t completely over and think Bowles should have thrown in the towel down 10 with the ball and 1:30 left. A bunch of us completely disagree with you. The fact that you and Capella are Bucs/Godwin fanboys doesn’t change our opinion. We don’t have to “read the room” or change our minds to your way of thinking on this. We can agree to disagree.

Read my post more carefully. It’s in response to Tin Cup’s (I’m paraphrasing) “some people seem to want to dig their heels in and argue with the whole internet.”

I was saying that if that was directed at me then he ought to read more of the internet, never mind this very thread. People are indeed disagreeing in different ways and in different but significant numbers to where one side is not “arguing with the whole internet,” or whatever he said.

I was not saying people couldn’t disagree. Again, read the wording carefully. “Anybody who thinks this is settled can’t read . . . "

That means that reasonable people are debating and disagreeing, unlike his postulation (that one side dominates the discussion). It’s the exact opposite of how you’re reading what I’m saying, which is fine, but I think you massively misunderstood what I was saying to the point where you think I’m saying the complete opposite of what the text and context gives you.

Any news on Godwin to contribute, or just more soapboxing?

This is odd. The discussion is relevant and I’m saying that both sides have points.

 

[roar_lions]

What do people think this does to Godwin's dynasty value? How well do WRs recover from an injury like this?

 

[rockaction]

What do people think this does to Godwin's dynasty value? How well do WRs recover from an injury like this?

Man, it can’t be good. Didn’t Cooper Kupp have a similar injury at a similar age (Godwin might be a year or a year and a half younger at the time of suffering it)? He hasn’t been right since. Perhaps they are different ankle injuries, or one was higher than the other . . . I’m not a doctor and won’t pretend to be one, which is really what you need to know his dynasty value. I’d wait a bit and see what the medical experts say about it before attempting to suss out his worth in dynasty. I don’t think it’s at an all-time high, that’s for sure.

 

[Statorama]

I don't like feeling sorry for multi-millionaires, but I feel sorry for this multi-millionaire.

 

[Grahamburn]

I don't like feeling sorry for multi-millionaires, but I feel sorry for this multi-millionaire.

Godwin is a great WR and great person. I feel awful for him. He was on his way to an All-Pro type of season entering free agency. I do think if he wants to return to Tampa the Bucs will offer him a deal. They extended him after his ACL injury as well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 

[Ray_T]

I don't like feeling sorry for multi-millionaires, but I feel sorry for this multi-millionaire.

Godwin is a great WR and great person. I feel awful for him. He was on his way to an All-Pro type of season entering free agency. I do think if he wants to return to Tampa the Bucs will offer him a deal. They extended him after his ACL injury as well.

They might. but given recovery times and his age, there is a chance this might be tough.

Godwin of course will want a longer term deal. Team may want a shorter term deal due to age and injury. in the end we will see how it shakes out. I'm just sad hes had such a good season derailed by injury. he was headed toward a monster season.

 

[apalmer]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
Daily FF betters and prop betters are the biggest impacts.

I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

If the game was over, shouldn't Baltimore have pulled their starting D and have guys playing it safe so they didn't get hurt?

Tampa wasnt letting up. you gotta defend your lead to the extent you can.

If Tampa was throwing in the towel I'm pretty sure it would have been all backups in there. but that clearly was not the case here.

So Baltimore thought that with TB throwing there was a chance there was a chance they'd lose?

 

[Ray_T]

Schefter “The tackle that Chris Godwin was hurt on appears to have all the elements of a hip drop tackle. The play is now under review, per sources, and if it is officially determined to be a hip drop tackle, Ravens LB Roquan Smith would be subject to a fine.”

An eye for an eye. I've been playing FF long enough to know this is what happened. Flowers also got a hip drop tackle Q1. So Roquan does it right back to Godwin Q4. I do not own Godwin. But both sides at fault here. Flowers might miss a game or two. He should be questionable at best on the injury report.

Just pitiful and stupid. Yeah the players don't play for us. But nothing was called after the hip drop tackle on Flowers. So of course the Ravens had to pay back.
Daily FF betters and prop betters are the biggest impacts.

I guess the biggest factor for why I didn't agree with Tampa continuing to be aggressive is because the Ravens defenders were flying around out there. Big hits and looking to make a statement.

If the game was over, shouldn't Baltimore have pulled their starting D and have guys playing it safe so they didn't get hurt?

Tampa wasnt letting up. you gotta defend your lead to the extent you can.

If Tampa was throwing in the towel I'm pretty sure it would have been all backups in there. but that clearly was not the case here.

So Baltimore thought that with TB throwing there was a chance there was a chance they'd lose?

they had made a couple of short kicks in a row after scoring. it was getting to a point where they had to put the starters out to make sure. You dont underestimate an opponent and Tampa was clearly making a push. While the odds were heavily against it, you do not let a team back in when you got them down and out.
at one point, the game was likely a quick score away from being competitive again and they were right to treat it as such.

Once it becomes clear the other team has thrown in the towel, fine put in the backups. and some of them may have even been in there before the onside kicks but once that lead started to narrow, the starters need to go back in (if they were actually taken out)

 

[ghostguy123]

Has there been any links as to the extent of the injury? Any broken bones? Any torn ligaments? And screws/rods need placed?

If it's just a dislocated ankle and perhaps some torn ligaments, even a broken bone, he should be good to go next year no problem.
If theres anything complications with surgery or hardware needs placed, then there's less of a chance he's as good as new

 

[Buckna]

I don't like feeling sorry for multi-millionaires, but I feel sorry for this multi-millionaire.

Godwin is a great WR and great person. I feel awful for him. He was on his way to an All-Pro type of season entering free agency. I do think if he wants to return to Tampa the Bucs will offer him a deal. They extended him after his ACL injury as well.

They might. but given recovery times and his age, there is a chance this might be tough.

Godwin of course will want a longer term deal. Team may want a shorter term deal due to age and injury. in the end we will see how it shakes out. I'm just sad hes had such a good season derailed by injury. he was headed toward a monster season.

They did just extend Evans this past off-season and he's 3 years older than Godwin.

 

[Judge Smails]

Like I said. Think any way in heck Bill B pulls Brady/Moss down 10 with 1:30 to go and the ball? Any chance of that? Zero. They try to make big time plays for the TD and onsides kick

Most of us are saying the game was over when the score was 41-18 with six minutes left. Thats when they should have pulled the starters.

Well, a couple of TD's including a defensive TD changes things quickly. 41-18 is irrelevant. They were down 10 with the ball and 1:30 to go

 

[Judge Smails]

I mean, anybody who thinks this is settled can't read either:

a) a room

or

b) just read period.

My God what do you mean by that? We know your stance. You’re not open to consider the game wasn’t completely over and think Bowles should have thrown in the towel down 10 with the ball and 1:30 left. A bunch of us completely disagree with you. The fact that you and Capella are Bucs/Godwin fanboys doesn’t change our opinion. We don’t have to “read the room” or change our minds to your way of thinking on this. We can agree to disagree.

Read my post more carefully. It’s in response to Tin Cup’s (I’m paraphrasing) “some people seem to want to dig their heels in and argue with the whole internet.”

I was saying that if that was directed at me then he ought to read more of the internet, never mind this very thread. People are indeed disagreeing in different ways and in different but significant numbers to where one side is not “arguing with the whole internet,” or whatever he said.

I was not saying people couldn’t disagree. Again, read the wording carefully. “Anybody who thinks this is settled can’t read . . . "

That means that reasonable people are debating and disagreeing, unlike his postulation (that one side dominates the discussion). It’s the exact opposite of how you’re reading what I’m saying, which is fine, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying to the point where you think I’m saying the complete opposite of what I am actually saying.

Fair enough. I couldn't understand your point about this being far from "settled" and reading the room