Maybe, but I don't like this excuse. True elite WR1's still get theirs.
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WR Chris Olave, NO (4 Viewers)
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Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Except if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
These games happen. KC defenders were all over him on at least 3 targets, and on replays sure looked like a safety was sitting over the top while McDuffie was locked in on many plays. Also, many replays also showed him running open underneath the safety yet Carr was allergic to throwing.
I've seen stinkers from WR1's like Amon-Ra and DK in 2024. It's only an issue if it becomes consistent, and until then it's just another day in fantasy football.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
For sure the Chiefs took him out. He was bracketed/doubled everywhere.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Do they need Adams with Olave and Shaheed? I don’t think soExcept if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I don’t think so either. Using all their weapons would be a good start.Do they need Adams with Olave and Shaheed? I don’t think soExcept if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
Situation reminds me a lot of Atlanta. Maybe they get a real QB and a real HC next season and some if this blue chip talent might get unlocked.
Carr’s bro crush for Adams is rivaled only by Rodgers’. I wouldn’t put anything past him.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
With Carr out, I hope whoever replaces him (I expect Rattler) actually throws to 12 now.
Saw that as well. With the short life span of NFL players, Olave is wasting a couple prime years playing with Carr. Unfortunate. I think Carr is deranged.Except if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
It's crazy because Olave seems like a guy you'd love to throw to. I'd get how mediocre QBs would struggle with throwing to guys like Drake London who don't get a lot of separation, but throwing to Olave seems like pitch and catch. I have no idea what's going on. Maybe he's not in the right spots and playing playground ball? Maybe Carr is just a fool? Maybe it's Allen? I have no idea, but what I see on tape makes zero sense.Saw that as well. With the short life span of NFL players, Olave is wasting a couple prime years playing with Carr. Unfortunate. I think Carr is deranged.Except if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
Pretty spot on IMO. Carr locks on Shaheed last night. Olave had 2 targets before Carr went out in a game they were losing the whole game. Carr has that deranged look on his face. Something is definitely off.It's crazy because Olave seems like a guy you'd love to throw to. I'd get how mediocre QBs would struggle with throwing to guys like Drake London who don't get a lot of separation, but throwing to Olave seems like pitch and catch. I have no idea what's going on. Maybe he's not in the right spots and playing playground ball? Maybe Carr is just a fool? Maybe it's Allen? I have no idea, but what I see on tape makes zero sense.Saw that as well. With the short life span of NFL players, Olave is wasting a couple prime years playing with Carr. Unfortunate. I think Carr is deranged.Except if you watched the game Olave was wide open on multiple pass plays but Carr never looked his way. Maybe Olave pissed in his Cheerios or Carr was trying to prove they need Adams?
crushedspirit
Footballguy
It's been mentioned before how Carr is a problem for Olave. He's been known to ignore Chris some weeks, but loves that deep bomb to Shaheed and even a nobody like Tipton. It's either bombs away or master of the check down for Carr.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Imagine if Olave was used like St. Brown
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
He didn’t, and like I said, if you watched the game you’d have noticed Olave wide open on several plays. And it’s not like those plays where a WR breaks open just as the QB is being pressured. It wasn’t that. I noticed more than one play where Carr chose to throw into tight coverage underneath when Olave was running on the same side, just at a deeper level, but with huge separation in man or in a massive void in the zone. I don’t get it.
Besides. This isn’t the first game where Carr has acted like Olave was wearing the Harry Potter invisibility cloak. I’m really starting to believe it’s personal. Carr would rather throw to Tipton who couldn’t catch a cold, than an open Olave. These plays are the difference between winning and losing in the NFL. Carr is a loser. So is Allen. We shouldn’t be surprised.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I’m not sure he’s built for that role, few are, but Olave would thrive with about any QB that isn’t afraid to cut it loose. Imagine him with a timing offense with a QB like Purdy, or Cousins, or Dak, or Stafford. It would be magical.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I like Olave. Fast. Smooth. Good hands. Runs great routes. I never understood what his deal with Carr is. The long droughts of not using him is mind boggling. If I'm an Olave owner I'm actually happy with the switch.
I'm happy with it. Can't get any worse.
I can't bring myself to feel this way. I think the entire Saints offense takes a huge hit.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Yep. Offensive overall production takes huge hit. Kamara takes huge hit. Rashiid huge hit. Olave is 51st in the league in targets. 51st. Behind Colby Parkinson. Behind Jake Ferguson. Behind Ray Ray Cloud. Behind Jalen Tolbert. Unacceptable. Can't get any worse for him.
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jm192
Footballguy
I've got a league where I lost Pacheco. Waddle lost Tua. And now Olave loses Carr. I text one of my buddies (who also have a lot of Olave shares) in frustration. Dude said he thought it was the best thing for Olave and our fantasy prospects.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
28 targets after 5 games is a failure on the coaching staff and especially Carr
Olave is currently 19th in target separation, and 10th in route win rate on player profiler. Film shows him open much more often than not and his reception perception profile shows up as someone who consistently beats man, press, and zone.
If people watch the Saints, explain why Carr over the weeks has thrown to Shaheed even when tightly covered and this week to Tipton as well.
Olave is currently 19th in target separation, and 10th in route win rate on player profiler. Film shows him open much more often than not and his reception perception profile shows up as someone who consistently beats man, press, and zone.
If people watch the Saints, explain why Carr over the weeks has thrown to Shaheed even when tightly covered and this week to Tipton as well.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Is it going to be the Rattler? This week could be a disaster, maybe next week he is ok, but then Carr is back?
I just heard about Carr late last night, so trying to find more on his situation. I'd expect him to return as soon as he can.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Only theory is he hates the guy or he is terrible at throwing to players who are open in the intermediate of the field. Perhaps Carr likes 2-3 ADOT or 30-50 ADOT, hence check downs or Shaheed bombs. Carr is physically capable of the throws but mentally is just not all there.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Carr sucks, simply put. Olave will do better with someone else behind C.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
You can pass against TB. Could be a good matchup
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
Totally incidentally landed Olave in a blockbuster trade, so I’m on the wagon now! Hoping adjustments to a non-Carr QB unlocks something in this passing game.
joey
Footballguy
How do you “incidentally” acquire a top 15 WR?
Throw in by someone who hates the Saints?
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I don’t like to kiss and tell, but in this same trade I also got Kamara so it could very well be someone fading the Saints. Definitely a trade more fit for a trade bragging thread than an Olave thread.How do you “incidentally” acquire a top 15 WR?
Throw in by someone who hates the Saints?
Olave as a top 15 receiver may be a bold take though, no? Draft capital wise for sure, but he’s WR32 in my leagues and it’ll take some serious offensive mindset changes to push him into that range. I’m just hoping for solid WR2 play with upside given what I’ve seen, and I doubt they bench Carr when he’s healthy.
To be fair, calling him top 15 right now is a bit of a stretch. Is he even in the top 30 right now at the position?How do you “incidentally” acquire a top 15 WR?
Throw in by someone who hates the Saints?
joey
Footballguy
I’m talking dynasty. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.To be fair, calling him top 15 right now is a bit of a stretch. Is he even in the top 30 right now at the position?How do you “incidentally” acquire a top 15 WR?
Throw in by someone who hates the Saints?
He’s actually ranked WR10 in FBG dynasty rankings (but not sure when they were last updated), WR14 on fantasypros and WR18 on KeepTradeCut.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Woof.
Doug B
Footballguy
Went out in the first series, in case readers didn’t catch the game.
EDIT: It was Olave’s third career concussion, to boot.
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Dynasty or redraft? Big difference in Olave's case.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Would look to trade in redraft for the right price, but I'm holding shares in keeper and/or dynasty. There's too much talent here in my opinion to give up on due to situations beyond his control.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Tough trade as he’ll be out this week too. Such BS that it wasn't a helmet to helmet penalty. Complete failure from the OC and QB’s, especially Carr, for not utilizing this kind of talent. I’ll likely hold. Has to be positive regression coming the 2nd half
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Right. I think he's certainly expendable in redraft. Carr is not his solution.
Dynasty, IF I'm willing to trade (and I'd much prefer to hold), I'd still need a high-mid 1st rounder back. A little extra as sweetener for a mid.
massraider
Footballguy
Using the Tua math, I guess he should retire
Redraft
joey
Footballguy
A hold for me in dyansty unless it’s a HIGH 1st, but I haven’t looked at the 2025 class so not sure the value of those picks.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I've scouted as far out as 2035. You should proved to me we are not the same. Ha ha
crushedspirit
Footballguy
For a high first I might do it, but I doubt his trade value is that much currently.
It would peak my interest if I was offered something like that. There are some RBs coming out that have caught my eye.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
He's out this weekend.
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
I was able to move him to my IR and pick up Bub Means
Silver & Black
Footballguy
He's out for the Thursday night game, but with Shaheed going on IR, Olave's stock should go up. significantly
Hopefully now Carr and him will have a chance to meet.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Good point. Whenever I looked at the box score and saw Carr with some decent yards + TDs, I just assumed/hoped it was Olave producing, only to notice Rashid had a bomb for a TD.
Olave's production is criminal.
