WR Christian Watson, GB (2 Viewers)

[Alex P Keaton]

Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.

Something's got to give with the GB offense.

There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.

Doubs could be out too.

He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.

I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).

So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.

All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.

Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.

What did Jacobs say?

The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.

After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.

"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek

Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur

A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

www.newsweek.com

Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.

You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?

No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:

a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired

I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.

So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.

Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.

I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.

Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.

Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.

Josh Jacobs: Eagles called out our play on fourth-and-1

When Green Bay went for it on fourth-and-1 with 1:30 left in the fourth quarter last night, Philadelphia easily stopped the Josh Jacobs run for a 4-yard loss.

www.nbcsports.com

 

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Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.

Something's got to give with the GB offense.

There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.

Doubs could be out too.

He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.

I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).

So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.

All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.

Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.

What did Jacobs say?

The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.

After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.

"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek

Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur

A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

www.newsweek.com

Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.

You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?

No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:

a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired

I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.

So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.

Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.

I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.

Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.

Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.

Josh Jacobs: Eagles called out our play on fourth-and-1

When Green Bay went for it on fourth-and-1 with 1:30 left in the fourth quarter last night, Philadelphia easily stopped the Josh Jacobs run for a 4-yard loss.

www.nbcsports.com

Yeah, bud. That's what I posted upthread. I appreciate the further evidence. Thanks. Hope you had a good one last night with your son and his friend.

 

[chad in Indy]

Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.

Something's got to give with the GB offense.

There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.

Doubs could be out too.

He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.

I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).

So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.

All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.

Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.

What did Jacobs say?

The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.

After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.

"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek

Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur

A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

www.newsweek.com

Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.

You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?

No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:

a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired

I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.

So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.

Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.

I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.

Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.

Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.

Idk. The run blocking hasn't been good. The runs plays are vanilla at best. I rarely see any lineman getting blocks at the second level and regularly see Jacobs getting hit early or on the wrong side of the LOS bc of missed/bad blocking. He has one of the lowest yards before contact.

 

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Idk. The run blocking hasn't been good. The runs plays are vanilla at best. I rarely see any lineman getting blocks at the second level and regularly see Jacobs getting hit early or on the wrong side of the LOS bc of missed/bad blocking. He has one of the lowest yards before contact.

Sure. I can find those quotes about the linemen missing blocks. I think. If you'd like. I don't think Jacobs is losing his job. But it can't hurt to keep tabs on the situation.


"After Jacobs was limited to just 33 rushing yards on 13 carries against the New York Jets, LaFleur highlighted his intention to give his prized backfield threat more looks that better suit his skill set. That lays down the gauntlet to Carolina's run defense to match fire with fire at Lambeau Field.

"We've got to just do a better job around (Josh Jacobs), making sure that he's got premium looks. Some were some play calls, others were just we didn't block the right people, and it's going to be hard to run the ball if you're – whether you're mistargeted or you don't get a block on the perimeter. I don't care what running back is back there. It's hard if you're not all targeted right."
Matt LaFleur via WTMJ

Jacobs is an elite-level performer who can set the tone and completely change the course of any game. It'll be cold, windy, and physical. The Panthers are reeling on the back of such a dismal display on the ground, so it's a sizable task."

Matt LaFleur sends a message that hits right at the Panthers’ biggest flaw

The intentions are clear.

catcrave.com

Here's what I read about the running game:

"A better running game would also help. Much like in YAC, the Packers are struggling relative to expectation. Jacobs has 29 rushing yards under expectation -- 12th worst among backs this season. Backup Emanuel Wilson is 16 yards below expectation; gadget WR Williams is 15 yards below expectation. The Packers are not producing the additional yards needed to play a ball-control, incremental style of offense with minimal possessions.

'You got to be able to run the football. I think that's been a little bit of an issue, at times," LaFleur said. "If they're going to play soft shell, and you're handing the ball off and getting 2 yards -- not that it was consistently like that, but there were a couple of times like that -- you get behind the sticks, and it gets more difficult.'

LaFleur gets grief from the Packers' fan base for his commitment to the running game in these instances, and the numbers bear it out. The Packers are fourth in run rate over expectation against two-high shells pre-snap, but average only 4.7 yards per carry on such runs. The league average is 4.9." - Ben Solak, Nov. 4th, 2025

Why aren't the Packers dominating everyone? Solak's Week 9 lessons, plus trade deadline bingo

Ben Solak sizes up the underperforming Packers, J.J. McCarthy's return, what could happen at the trade deadline and some Week 9 trends to watch.

www.espn.com

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.

Something's got to give with the GB offense.

There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.

Doubs could be out too.

He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.

I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).

So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.

All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.

Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.

What did Jacobs say?

The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.

After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.

"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek

Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur

A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

www.newsweek.com

Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.

You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?

No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:

a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired

I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.

So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.

Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.

I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.

Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.

Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.

Josh Jacobs: Eagles called out our play on fourth-and-1

When Green Bay went for it on fourth-and-1 with 1:30 left in the fourth quarter last night, Philadelphia easily stopped the Josh Jacobs run for a 4-yard loss.

www.nbcsports.com

Yeah, bud. That's what I posted upthread. I appreciate the further evidence. Thanks. Hope you had a good one last night with your son and his friend.

Oh, my bad. Was scrolling and missed it!
Game was fun because of who I was with. Thx!

 

[rockaction]

Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.

Something's got to give with the GB offense.

There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.

Doubs could be out too.

He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.

I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).

So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.

All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.

Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.

What did Jacobs say?

The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.

After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.

"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek

Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur

A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

www.newsweek.com

Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.

You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?

No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:

a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired

I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.

So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.

Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.

I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.

Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.

Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.

Josh Jacobs: Eagles called out our play on fourth-and-1

When Green Bay went for it on fourth-and-1 with 1:30 left in the fourth quarter last night, Philadelphia easily stopped the Josh Jacobs run for a 4-yard loss.

www.nbcsports.com

Yeah, bud. That's what I posted upthread. I appreciate the further evidence. Thanks. Hope you had a good one last night with your son and his friend.

Oh, my bad. Was scrolling and missed it!
Game was fun because of who I was with. Thx!

I had no doubt you were posting in good faith, Alex. Glad you had a good time. Sorry about the result.

 

[N Zone]

So what are people doing with Watson after that glorious outing last night? I have him in a 10 team 0.5 PPR league. Was ready to drop him but of course sites still listing him as a top waiver pickup for this week. Granted Doubs went out last night and still no word on his injury at least that I have heard. You would think that means more targets for Watson but do people expect that or they will just lean into the run even more? Golden might also be back next week. Love just seems to like spreading the ball around no matter who are the other receivers.

Starting him. I lost Malik Nabers and Garrett Wilson, and Alec Pierce is on bye, and it's a start 4 WR league. Hopefully the Packers catch up to what the eye test shows, and start using him like a WR1 that they should be.

 

[N Zone]

#Packers Friday practice: Lukas Van Ness (foot) and Matthew Golden (shoulder) are good to go. So is Christian Watson.

https://x.com/RealDYates/status/1989390399698604331

 

[LawFitz]

Packers WR headaches are back with Dobble, Watson and Golden all looking to play and make plays this weekend. No WR1, just a bunch of rando boom/bust weekly props with Love shotgunning the field. Upside/downside range for each of these three is as wide as can be, which makes it enticing and dangerous to be on board. Watson back, I have lost faith in Doubs as a weekly flex. That and I do believe Watson's upside is by far highest and most likely to play out of the three, and yet still perhaps not actually likely in any given week. Like I said, Packers WR headaches.

 

[socrates]

Starting him. I lost Malik Nabers and Garrett Wilson, and Alec Pierce is on bye, and it's a start 4 WR league. Hopefully the Packers catch up to what the eye test shows, and start using him like a WR1 that they should be.

I feel your pain. I lost Malik Nabers and now Marvin Harrison Jr. Thankfully, I still have (slightly) more reliable options than Watson (start 3-4).

 

[Chaka]

6 targets, 4-87-1

 

[Insein]

I'm playing Watson because he, when healthy, has the most rapport with Love and his ADoT is like 22yds. So when he connects, it's usually a big gain. Just need 3-4 catches to get to 80 yards and you have a double digit day.

 

[N Zone]

Starting him. I lost Malik Nabers and Garrett Wilson, and Alec Pierce is on bye, and it's a start 4 WR league. Hopefully the Packers catch up to what the eye test shows, and start using him like a WR1 that they should be.

I feel your pain. I lost Malik Nabers and now Marvin Harrison Jr. Thankfully, I still have (slightly) more reliable options than Watson (start 3-4).

Same. I’m stacked at every position and even with WR the weakest I still drafted and have Rice, Waddle and Jennings. Added Alec Pierce, Watson and Jeudy.

 

[N Zone]

Huge touchdown catch right there to take the lead late. 2 TDs from Watson today!

 

[Cowboysfan8]

 

[Chaka]

How is this guy only getting four targets per game? He sure seems like he's the Packers best WR by a significant margin.

 

[Drake Hater]

How is this guy only getting four targets per game? He sure seems like he's the Packers best WR by a significant margin.

Love tends to play it conservative. While Watson is healthy they should be airing it out to him.

 

[kyoun1e]

How is this guy only getting four targets per game? He sure seems like he's the Packers best WR by a significant margin.

Love seems like the anti-Stafford. He doesn't focus on one guy. Spreads it around. Seems like the Lafleur way too since they always seem to have multiple WRs of similar talent vs. one lead alpha.

Maybe that will change. I hope so. Watson clearly looks like he could be the guy.

 

[LawFitz]

He sure seems like he's the Packers best WR by a significant margin.

He is when healthy, and he looks the part again now. Targets will find him, but agreed with others that they will be capped by the style and approach of the offense/QB. That said, this is the type of WR that can take the top off during games and fantasy matchups with just one or two big ones in any given week.

 

[Faust]

Matt Schneidman
Adam Stenavich on Christian Watson since returning from his torn ACL: “It’s just been a shot in the arm to our offense.”

https://x.com/mattschneidman/status/1991631335333720379?s=61