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WR Courtland Sutton, DEN (1 Viewer)

Dr. Dan said:
1:04  :thumbup:  Just took off after he faked out the DB

Many of those highlights show one of 2 things that I love to see:
1. The guy goes up and wins on contested passes
2. He positions himself extremely well between the ball and defender 

6:24... That is pretty awesome, great toss
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You might find this interesting. I posted this on another forum back pre draft in the comparison thread. They laughed.

Courtland Sutton: Slower slightly smaller Calvin Johnson.

His size, the way he catches the ball and the way he moves down the field. He's just not as big and not as fast. But his ball skills are comparable.

Courtland Sutton  drags defender into EZ after catch: 1:45, jump ball: 1:08, screen pass 2:33, 2:43 & 3:18, deep jump ball in EZ: 1:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwwxCbcFQq4

Calvin Johnson   drags defender into EZ after catch: 0:39, jump ball: 4:41, screen pass: 3:31 ,deep jump ball in EZ: 3:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpoBlemvgGQ

Now Sutton is not ever going to demand triple coverage or the crazy GL formation where they mugged CJ at the LOS in order to stop a jump ball. Probably won't demand double coverage but single him up and I think he will be tough to stop.

 
BigTex said:
I would not take Sutton over any of those guys. Maybe over Moore ouch!!!! MAYBE!!!!

Tex
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I'd take him all day over Gallup because of Gallops situation. Also Washington and I like both guys. Miller and Kirk, I would hope I don't have to make that decision.

 
lod001 said:
I'd take him all day over Gallup because of Gallops situation. Also Washington and I like both guys. Miller and Kirk, I would hope I don't have to make that decision.
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I disagree but I certainly understand. I believe Gallup is very underrated but I get why people are passing on him. Being in Cowboy Country someone is going to reach for him but the coaches are really high on this guy and believe he’s better than they originally thought. I think at that point it’s about preference and it’s a gamble. We know not all of these guys will pan out.

Tex

 
BigTex said:
I would not take Sutton over any of those guys. Maybe over Moore ouch!!!! MAYBE!!!!

Tex
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I like Gallup's situation this year and I think he is primed for a big season, but I also can see a scenario where Hurns doesn't turn out too well and Dallas over-drafts Gallup with a WR in round 1 or 2 next year with the deep class coming in. I value your input a lot as you know, so it does make me re-evaluate Sutton to some degree, but when I do I really like what I see. Once the preseason starts we will get a little more of an idea as he is in live action, getting jammed at the LOS, and having to run his route tree. 

 
BigTex said:
By the way, it’s ok ok to disagree that’s why we’re on this forum. I’m going to give my opinion especially when I watched a player closely for different reasons.

But your first sentence is unnecessary and it shows a level of maturity that posters on the board take when someone disagree and actually bring out FACTS that they disagree with.

i won’t stoop to that level. I’ll just keep calling you friend like I did in my earlier post.

Tex
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Now it’s my turn to lol like you seem to love to do.  You want irony - go read your previous series of posts and then reread your little lecture here.

 
BigTex said:
I disagree but I certainly understand. I believe Gallup is very underrated but I get why people are passing on him. Being in Cowboy Country someone is going to reach for him but the coaches are really high on this guy and believe he’s better than they originally thought. I think at that point it’s about preference and it’s a gamble. We know not all of these guys will pan out.

Tex
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Oh, I think he's really good but I just can't have a DAL WR under their current situation, which doesn't look like it's gonna change for a while. Redzone: hand off to Zeke or drop back and then run it in. Third option is a pass and then you are competing with the TE and everyone else. 6 rushing TDs each of past 2 years for Dak.  That's 12 TDs that Favre, Brees pre Kamara, Brady, P. Manning etc.  would have thrown to WRs. Sure the QB stats aren't much better for Keenan but since I like Sutton more that Gallup, I would take him if I had to choose between the 2.

 
Dr. Dan said:
I like Gallup's situation this year and I think he is primed for a big season, but I also can see a scenario where Hurns doesn't turn out too well and Dallas over-drafts Gallup with a WR in round 1 or 2 next year with the deep class coming in. I value your input a lot as you know, so it does make me re-evaluate Sutton to some degree, but when I do I really like what I see. Once the preseason starts we will get a little more of an idea as he is in live action, getting jammed at the LOS, and having to run his route tree. 
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And you might be right, Hell I could be completely dead wrong and will not be ashamed or too proud to say I was wrong.

To be clear, the bases of my argument is the players (talent) that are being passed to draft Sutton. I just can’t in no way shape or form draft him ahead of those other guys.

1. Sutton wasn’t even the best WR on his own team......that was Quinn.

2. He should have dominated that Conference. Miller plays in that same Conference so did Lamar and they both performed at high levels. Why didn’t Sutton?

3. I saw those acrobatic catches in practice, I saw him “drag” people. At that UNT game I thought sure that was his coming out party. I watch them pad his numbers by targeting him at every chance they got. Then I go to the TCU game (who has a damn good defense) and his shut down by ONE cornerback.

So yeah, I’m just trying to see what you guys see because if he is going to be a stud I want him on my team.

Tex

 
Bronco Billy said:
Now it’s my turn to lol like you seem to love to do.  You want irony - go read your previous series of posts and then reread your little lecture here.
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That’s all you can do? I’d rather not even discuss with you because it’s a waste of my time and people reading this thread.

Again, good luck my friend!

Tex

 
lod001 said:
Oh, I think he's really good but I just can't have a DAL WR under their current situation, which doesn't look like it's gonna change for a while. Redzone: hand off to Zeke or drop back and then run it in. Third option is a pass and then you are competing with the TE and everyone else. 6 rushing TDs each of past 2 years for Dak.  That's 12 TDs that Favre, Brees pre Kamara, Brady, P. Manning etc.  would have thrown to WRs. Sure the QB stats aren't much better for Keenan but since I like Sutton more that Gallup, I would take him if I had to choose between the 2.
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Good point and I agree, it’s all about Zeke! I can certainly understand your reasoning it makes total sense. 

I guess to me, Gallup looks like the guy that they needed Dez to be. Someone who can run routes, a red zone threat and stays focus during games. My hope is that Gallup will become the #1 WR but like Dr. D said they could draft their #1 next year the flip side to that is he could also become their #1 WR but I certainly understand why people are passing on him. He’s not worth the gamble to those that are passing on him.

Tex

 
BigTex said:
That’s all you can do? I’d rather not even discuss with you because it’s a waste of my time and people reading this thread.

Again, good luck my friend!

Tex
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That’s fine by me.  You’ve littered the last page+ with 16 posts, most of them saying the exact same thing - that despite anyone else’s opinion, the stats, his playing history and game tape, the multiple reports out of camp, the opinions of NFL coaches, the opinions of other pros - some who are pretty good players in their own right going directly against him in practice, that you know better than all that information with your sole support that you’ve seen him play in college. 

You stated earlier that you wouldn’t consider him until at least 31 offensive players were off the board (assuming you’d include QBs) in a rookie FF draft.  You come back multiple times in a row responding to the same post, saying the same thing over and over and over - you’ve seen him play and your opinion about him is better than anyone else’s.

You need to look up the definition of a mature discussion, because what you’re doing ain’t it.  

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All I know is that I'm still excited about this guy. Wish I could draft him twice.

Looking forward to seeing him in game situations so we can all more accurately assess his transition to the NFL and speculate further on his future, perhaps with a little more applicable data than combine stats, eye tests, and coach/camp reports

 
I see what you mean about that TCU game but it's hard to catch passes 10 feet over your head.  3 really bad over throws. Lots of double covering as well. He did commit a Mike Evans and got flagged for it. But it looks like they had some gameplan to not let him do anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs1gty6Os3Q

 
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If you have a chance to draft Sutton don't pass it up.

I'll be heading to Denver's training camp next Friday maybe and I will post what I see on Sutton.

 
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lod001 said:
You might find this interesting. I posted this on another forum back pre draft in the comparison thread. They laughed.

Courtland Sutton: Slower slightly smaller Calvin Johnson.

His size, the way he catches the ball and the way he moves down the field. He's just not as big and not as fast. But his ball skills are comparable.
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Maybe they laughed because Calvin's size and speed combo are a huge part of why he's one of the best, so saying some one is a smaller slower version of him is like me saying I'm a poorer uglier Brad Pitt.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Maybe they laughed because Calvin's size and speed combo are a huge part of why he's one of the best, so saying some one is a smaller slower version of him is like me saying I'm a poorer uglier Brad Pitt.
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There is that. I said it because when I see the film, if you don't know who they are or their size/ speed, they look like the same guy.

When I look at a highlight reel, I try to think about who they remind me of. Calvin was the 1st person that came to mind. For the record, I've never seen a WR that reminded me of Jerry Rice or TO or Moss.

Anthony Miller reminds me of Marvin Harrison. A slower version.

 
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lod001 said:
There is that. I said it because when I see the film, if you don't know who they are or their size/ speed, they look like the same guy.

When I look at a highlight reel, I try to think about who they remind me of. Calvin was the 1st person that came to mind. For the record, I've never seen a WR that reminded me of Jerry Rice or TO or Moss.

Anthony Miller reminds me of Marvin Harrison. A slower version.
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I would be surprised if Megatron's 3 cone was as fast as Sutton. ODB ran a 6.69 for reference.......

 
Milkman said:
I would be surprised if Megatron's 3 cone was as fast as Sutton. ODB ran a 6.69 for reference.......
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Isn't the three cone drill more predictive for RB success than for a WR?

I guess you could reference it as to short area quickness for getting open, getting separation - but from what I've seen of Sutton that's not his game. His success seems to come downfield by out-jumping or out-running CBs,

 
A little cross thread contamination, but for another point of reference, Gesicki ran his 3 cone at 6.76 (3rd fastest for any TE since tracking it in 2006).  At 6'6, 250 lbs.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Isn't the three cone drill more predictive for RB success than for a WR?

I guess you could reference it as to short area quickness for getting open, getting separation - but from what I've seen of Sutton that's not his game. His success seems to come downfield by out-jumping or out-running CBs,
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He has incredibly fast footwork. His game will translate all over the field. With that elite short area quickness it's going to be hard to stop him from getting to his spot. If he can get in between the defender and the ball and is great at contested catches he sounds like a nightmare to defend. Only time will tell but early signs look good.

 
lod001 said:
You might find this interesting. I posted this on another forum back pre draft in the comparison thread. They laughed.

Courtland Sutton: Slower slightly smaller Calvin Johnson.

His size, the way he catches the ball and the way he moves down the field. He's just not as big and not as fast. But his ball skills are comparable.

Courtland Sutton  drags defender into EZ after catch: 1:45, jump ball: 1:08, screen pass 2:33, 2:43 & 3:18, deep jump ball in EZ: 1:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwwxCbcFQq4
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You missed a play that jumped out at me @ 3:06 watch him make a guy miss after the catch.......

Edit never mind you just referenced the slow-mo version.

 
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lod001 said:
There is that. I said it because when I see the film, if you don't know who they are or their size/ speed, they look like the same guy.

When I look at a highlight reel, I try to think about who they remind me of. Calvin was the 1st person that came to mind. For the record, I've never seen a WR that reminded me of Jerry Rice or TO or Moss.

Anthony Miller reminds me of Marvin Harrison. A slower version.
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Miller reminds me of Cris Carter. Giant hands that catch anything that comes his way

 
Dr. Dan said:
:popcorn:

exactly why I like him. I wouldn't be surprised if Sutton leads the team in receiving TDs this season
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No?  I think it would be incredibly surprising. 

How many rookie WRs have ever led their team in TDs? 

If the answer is greater than zero, how many of them came in to a situation where the top two WRs were well-established veterans (who by all accounts are also playing incredibly well so far in camp)?

 
tangfoot said:
If the answer is greater than zero, how many of them came in to a situation where the top two WRs were well-established veterans (who by all accounts are also playing incredibly well so far in camp)?
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Moss came onto a team that had two 1000 yard WRs the previous year (C. Carter and Jake Reed). I'm sure it has happened more than that.

 
I was listening to Denver sports talk radio over my lunch and one of the veteran talk show guys who's been in town for 30+ years who never seems to

get too excited about rookies was gushing over what he's seen so far and compared him to DeAndre Hopkins.

The other host said he's by far having the best camp and doesn't look like a rookie. Says he's out performing DT and Sanders (says Sanders is having a great camp)

For him his biggest surprise is how crisp his route running has been.

 
tangfoot said:
No?  I think it would be incredibly surprising. 

How many rookie WRs have ever led their team in TDs? 

If the answer is greater than zero, how many of them came in to a situation where the top two WRs were well-established veterans (who by all accounts are also playing incredibly well so far in camp)?
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Considering DT had 5 TDs and Sanders had 2 last year, I don't think the bar is set too high. I'm not saying he has 10 TDs, but 6-8 could be very possible if he is, in fact, a big plan for their redzone offense. 

 
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Courtland Sutton - WR -  Broncos

The Denver Post's Ryan O'Halloran writes Broncos second-round WR Courtland Sutton "has made plays in every situation" during camp.

"Sutton is developing so quickly," O'Halloran continues, "the Broncos, if they haven’t already, should be committing themselves to being a base '11' personnel (three-receiver, one-back) offense." With questions at tight end, it always made sense for Denver to go three-wide as often as possible, and Sutton's play in camp should give them even more confidence. It will be tough for Sutton to return redraft value this year behind Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders, but he is still worth a look late in drafts.

Source: Denver Post 

Aug 2 - 11:34 AM
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Rumors swirling that Demaryius Thomas might be cut. Sutton is playing so well and it would be a huge cap savings......

 
Milkman said:
Rumors swirling that Demaryius Thomas might be cut. Sutton is playing so well and it would be a huge cap savings......
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calling this 5 pinocchios, although I wonder if Sutton would shoot up above Moore if it happened. 

ETA: nothing against Milkman. just giving news hes hearing, or rumors. I dont believe Denver is in trouble for cap.

 
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Dr. Dan said:
calling this 5 pinocchios, although I wonder if Sutton would shoot up above Moore if it happened. 

ETA: nothing against Milkman. just giving news hes hearing, or rumors. I dont believe Denver is in trouble for cap.
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Considering the Bronco's paid him a $4M option bonus to activate the last two years of DT's contract just a few months ago, sounds like :bs:

 
Just something I heard from a guy who has connections with some teams. He didn't tell me who he heard it from. Don't believe me. I fine with that just thought I'd share. I don't have a link. 

 
Milkman said:
Just something I heard from a guy who has connections with some teams. He didn't tell me who he heard it from. Don't believe me. I fine with that just thought I'd share. I don't have a link. 
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people give me crap for my sources within teams. so I understand. would be amazing if it happened 

 
from today:

AGAIN?! Case Keenum with the deep pass to Courtland Sutton who comes down with it while sliding into the end zone for the touchdown, with Brendan Langley on him. This guy is a match-up nightmare. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

#Broncos Courtland Sutton does it again. Long TD catch from Keenum. Everyday thing. As I said on @Denver7. impress your friends by buying his jersey now. @1043TheFan

— Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton cannot he stopped. With Brendan Langley taking him to the ground (flagged for PI), he still was able to haul in a 45-yard touchdown pass from Case Keenum.

— Zac Stevens (@ZacStevensBSN) August 3, 2018

Normally I don’t tweet play-by-play from Broncos training camp, but I have to mention the TD catch by rookie WR Courtland Sutton. The kid is putting on a show.

— Vic Lombardi (@VicLombardi) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton is under the skin of the DBs.

Bradley Roby popped him in the facemask as he tried to get off the line and drew a flag along with a mouthful from a coach.

— Ryan Koenigsberg (@RyanKoenigsberg) August 3, 2018

Let this be said: Coming into 2018, many including myself said that Courtland Sutton is raw. But having said that, his development is on a rapid crash course for immediate success. Getting consistent reps with the 1’s. Watch out. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

https://twitter.com/MRiceKOA/status/1025467630528983041/photo/1

 
lod001 said:
from today:

AGAIN?! Case Keenum with the deep pass to Courtland Sutton who comes down with it while sliding into the end zone for the touchdown, with Brendan Langley on him. This guy is a match-up nightmare. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

#Broncos Courtland Sutton does it again. Long TD catch from Keenum. Everyday thing. As I said on @Denver7. impress your friends by buying his jersey now. @1043TheFan

— Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton cannot he stopped. With Brendan Langley taking him to the ground (flagged for PI), he still was able to haul in a 45-yard touchdown pass from Case Keenum.

— Zac Stevens (@ZacStevensBSN) August 3, 2018

Normally I don’t tweet play-by-play from Broncos training camp, but I have to mention the TD catch by rookie WR Courtland Sutton. The kid is putting on a show.

— Vic Lombardi (@VicLombardi) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton is under the skin of the DBs.

Bradley Roby popped him in the facemask as he tried to get off the line and drew a flag along with a mouthful from a coach.

— Ryan Koenigsberg (@RyanKoenigsberg) August 3, 2018

Let this be said: Coming into 2018, many including myself said that Courtland Sutton is raw. But having said that, his development is on a rapid crash course for immediate success. Getting consistent reps with the 1’s. Watch out. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

https://twitter.com/MRiceKOA/status/1025467630528983041/photo/1
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:wub:

 
lod001 said:
from today:

AGAIN?! Case Keenum with the deep pass to Courtland Sutton who comes down with it while sliding into the end zone for the touchdown, with Brendan Langley on him. This guy is a match-up nightmare. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

#Broncos Courtland Sutton does it again. Long TD catch from Keenum. Everyday thing. As I said on @Denver7. impress your friends by buying his jersey now. @1043TheFan

— Troy Renck (@TroyRenck) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton cannot he stopped. With Brendan Langley taking him to the ground (flagged for PI), he still was able to haul in a 45-yard touchdown pass from Case Keenum.

— Zac Stevens (@ZacStevensBSN) August 3, 2018

Normally I don’t tweet play-by-play from Broncos training camp, but I have to mention the TD catch by rookie WR Courtland Sutton. The kid is putting on a show.

— Vic Lombardi (@VicLombardi) August 3, 2018

Courtland Sutton is under the skin of the DBs.

Bradley Roby popped him in the facemask as he tried to get off the line and drew a flag along with a mouthful from a coach.

— Ryan Koenigsberg (@RyanKoenigsberg) August 3, 2018

Let this be said: Coming into 2018, many including myself said that Courtland Sutton is raw. But having said that, his development is on a rapid crash course for immediate success. Getting consistent reps with the 1’s. Watch out. #Broncos #TrainingCamp @OrangeBlue760

— Anthony Rodriguez (@AnthonyRod33) August 3, 2018

https://twitter.com/MRiceKOA/status/1025467630528983041/photo/1
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Just to pump the brakes here a bit, but there are two common threads in these tales:

1) Sutton makes an amazing TD catch.

2) Brendan Langley is covering him.

Maybe this is a sign Sutton is exploding...or maybe it’s just a sign that Langley isn’t long for the NFL.

 
Arodin said:
Just to pump the brakes here a bit, but there are two common threads in these tales:

1) Sutton makes an amazing TD catch.

2) Brendan Langley is covering him.

Maybe this is a sign Sutton is exploding...or maybe it’s just a sign that Langley isn’t long for the NFL.
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That comment that Sutton is WR3 right now on DEN and that it is not close did not come from a beat writer or observer - it was the quoted opinions of several vet DBs on the team.

 
Milkman said:
Rumors swirling that Demaryius Thomas might be cut. Sutton is playing so well and it would be a huge cap savings......
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Milkman said:
Just something I heard from a guy who has connections with some teams. He didn't tell me who he heard it from. Don't believe me. I fine with that just thought I'd share. I don't have a link. 
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DT being cut would save around 5 mill net. NOT a huge cap savings.

When you look at his deal, it's obvious a release next year makes sense, but not unthinkable he gets cut this year.

They did pay an option, but would still save 8.5 mill in cash this season.

Not stating an opinion either way, just dropping some info.

 
Beyond financials, Dt is a glue guy in the locker room and has never had an issue with the fo. he still has it on the field and has been coaching the young wideouts off to the side. It makes no sense at any level, whether it be financial, play wise, or as a locker room presence to cut dt this season. I think it's far more likely he restructures next year but that's tbd. 

That said, Sutton by all accounts is having a great day again beating Roby while being interfered by Roby for a 95 yard td. Can't wait to see his kid in a game day environment. The team had Chris Harris following him for much of the day

 
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