WR D.J. Moore, CHI (1 Viewer)

[darksideofoz]

I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.

That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.

Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued

Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?

I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.

When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.

Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.

Last year in CHI, their 3 top WR's had catch rates of 70.0% (Moore), 57.9% (Allen), and 53.5% (Odunze). Using your logic that Johnson wants Caleb to be at 70% completion rate, which one above looks likeliest to get the lion's share of the targets?

I am not looking at last year's stats to come up with what I think is going to happen this year. too much has and is changing. I don't play copy pasta last year's stats for this year's projections. never have. I know that is industry standard, but not how I learned to play decades ago.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

which one above looks likeliest to get the lion's share of the targets?

I think it’s difficult to project at the moment - lot of mouths to feed with rookie WR & TE.

If I had to guess I’d say DJM will get the most targets, as he’ll likely be used in the short and intermediate game more - i don’t see Rome being a pure field-stretcher, but I don’t see him commanding the lion’s share (so to speak)

It’ll be interesting to see it develop. I do believe this will be a more productive offense. I’m gobbling up pieces where I can. I just missed Loveland by 1 pick last night and I’m still stinging from it. I tried to trade up 4x and struck out.

 

[Ilov80s]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

 

[TheWinz]

I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.

That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.

Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued

Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?

I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.

When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.

Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.

Last year in CHI, their 3 top WR's had catch rates of 70.0% (Moore), 57.9% (Allen), and 53.5% (Odunze). Using your logic that Johnson wants Caleb to be at 70% completion rate, which one above looks likeliest to get the lion's share of the targets?

I am not looking at last year's stats to come up with what I think is going to happen this year. too much has and is changing. I don't play copy pasta last year's stats for this year's projections. never have. I know that is industry standard, but not how I learned to play decades ago.

Where do you start then, when you're coming up with your rankings/projections? If not previous seasons, what else is there? You HAVE to start somewhere.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

Would you think a good comp for how Rome will be used is how Jamo was used last year?

1001 yards on only 58 receptions, 7 TD.

Folks seem to believe with the change in OC that Jamo is going to get an expanded route tree this year resulting in more targets/receptions. I have a couple shares, so very much hoping this is true.

 

[TheWinz]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

Would you think a good comp for how Rome will be used is how Jamo was used last year?

1001 yards on only 58 receptions, 7 TD.

Folks seem to believe with the change in OC that Jamo is going to get an expanded route tree this year resulting in more targets/receptions. I have a couple shares, so very much hoping this is true.

Fun fact - Moore, Odunze, and Burden are all at least 6 feet tall and 210 pounds. That's alot of meat to throw to!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

Would you think a good comp for how Rome will be used is how Jamo was used last year?

1001 yards on only 58 receptions, 7 TD.

Folks seem to believe with the change in OC that Jamo is going to get an expanded route tree this year resulting in more targets/receptions. I have a couple shares, so very much hoping this is true.

Fun fact - Moore, Odunze, and Burden are all at least 6 feet tall and 210 pounds. That's alot of meat to throw to!

Doesn’t really answer my question but it is fun.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.

That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.

Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued

Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?

I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.

When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.

Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.

Last year in CHI, their 3 top WR's had catch rates of 70.0% (Moore), 57.9% (Allen), and 53.5% (Odunze). Using your logic that Johnson wants Caleb to be at 70% completion rate, which one above looks likeliest to get the lion's share of the targets?

Without knowing more about the type of targets they received, separation rates, etc I really can’t draw definitive conclusions from the bare bones math you shared.

 

[TheWinz]

Doesn’t really answer my question but it is fun.

That's why I said fun fact. More fun facts - It's the first time in NFL history a trio of guys named Denniston, Rome, and Luther have played together. OK, I just made that up, but it's gotta be true, right?

 

[JohnnyU]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

Would you think a good comp for how Rome will be used is how Jamo was used last year?

1001 yards on only 58 receptions, 7 TD.

Folks seem to believe with the change in OC that Jamo is going to get an expanded route tree this year resulting in more targets/receptions. I have a couple shares, so very much hoping this is true.

Fun fact - Moore, Odunze, and Burden are all at least 6 feet tall and 210 pounds. That's alot of meat to throw to!

That's what she said

 

[TheWinz]

Without knowing more about the type of targets they received, separation rates, etc I really can’t draw definitive conclusions from the bare bones math you shared.

DJ Moore caught more passes that came his way than Allen or Odunze. That's a definitive conclusion.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Without knowing more about the type of targets they received, separation rates, etc I really can’t draw definitive conclusions from the bare bones math you shared.

DJ Moore caught more passes that came his way than Allen or Odunze. That's a definitive conclusion.

If they were all 2-yard bubble screens the math means ****

 

[Blick]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

 

[Ilov80s]

Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.

I’ve read quite a few analysts suggest this very thing - you may have even articulated it better. They said in that scheme the X is likely to see fewer than 100 targets. Still a fine FF asset, but Rome could be a bit overvalued for FF as a result. It gave me pause to draft Rome in my current start-up & I ended up going in a different direction & taking DJM later.

It makes sense but also Detroit's X receivers we DJ Chark, Josh Reynods and Tim Patrick so it could have simply been a matter of personnel driving the decisions. But also you could maybe say that's how Dan and Ben wanted the offense designed and they were consciously making the choice with Brad Holmes to prioritize the other roles in the offense when drafting/signing players.

Would you think a good comp for how Rome will be used is how Jamo was used last year?

1001 yards on only 58 receptions, 7 TD.

Folks seem to believe with the change in OC that Jamo is going to get an expanded route tree this year resulting in more targets/receptions. I have a couple shares, so very much hoping this is true.

Not really. Jamo played the flanker role most I believe. That allows him to not be on the LOS giving him some space from the defender. He really did his best work on crossing routes using his speed after the catch. The Lions X was Tim Patrick. I just don't think we can make a true comp because obviously Rome is such a better player than Patrick but he's also not the speedster Jamo is. Odunze is probably a much better all around receiver than Jamo but Williams is one of the few players with a legit claim as the fastest in the league. They are such different players that I don't know how we can compare them, their productiona and roles.

But yes the hype on Jamo in camp right now is big time. Everyone is saying he's taken another step and developed his all around game. That could be exciting to watch. Tying it back together, DJ Moore is no slouch either. He ran a 4.42 40 coming out and has clocked NFL plays over 21 mph.

 

[Ilov80s]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But yes the hype on Jamo in camp right now is big time. Everyone is saying he's taken another step and developed his all around game. That could be exciting to watch. Tying it back together, DJ Moore is no slouch either. He ran a 4.42 40 coming out and has clocked NFL plays over 21 mph.

I have my first 2 shares of Jamo in back to back startups, most recent one with Jamo+DJM

Let’s gooooooooo!

 

[Blick]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also more than capable of playing in the slot.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

I saw that - it dropped Burden down my draftable players at ADP list. He’s still getting some rookie shine in startups (went 7.09 a few weeks ago) ahead of a myriad of what I believe will be more productive players.

Not saying the pick won’t pay off down the road, but I’ll let someone else take the chance for now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

I am probably out on an island, but I don’t think Kmet will be disappeared entirely from this offense. Maybe not to the point of FF relevance, but when you look at the names on that roster, man that’s a lot of mouths to feed.

 

[Blick]

That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

I am probably out on an island, but I don’t think Kmet will be disappeared entirely from this offense. Maybe not to the point of FF relevance, but when you look at the names on that roster, man that’s a lot of mouths to feed.

I’m of the opinion that Rome is the play here. He’s the only one with a solid role.

 

[jm192]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

What are you basing this on? You speak with a lot of certainty.

Ceedee Lamb played 29% out of the slot last year, and 55% out of the slot the year before.

You're acting like "There's no way no how they'll use Moore in the slot because of this rookie they drafted."

I don't know that we've seen enough of Burden suceeding to declare what he will or won't do. Teams use their best receivers in the slot a lot more these days. It's a thing. I don't believe the presence of Luther Burden is prohibitive.

 

[Blick]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

What are you basing this on? You speak with a lot of certainty.

Ceedee Lamb played 29% out of the slot last year, and 55% out of the slot the year before.

You're acting like "There's no way no how they'll use Moore in the slot because of this rookie they drafted."

I don't know that we've seen enough of Burden suceeding to declare what he will or won't do. Teams use their best receivers in the slot a lot more these days. It's a thing. I don't believe the presence of Luther Burden is prohibitive.

How does Burden (and Loveland for that matter) get consistent snap if not in the slot?

You can’t compare Lamb or the DAL WR room to anything going on here.

 

[TheWinz]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

 

[jm192]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

What are you basing this on? You speak with a lot of certainty.

Ceedee Lamb played 29% out of the slot last year, and 55% out of the slot the year before.

You're acting like "There's no way no how they'll use Moore in the slot because of this rookie they drafted."

I don't know that we've seen enough of Burden suceeding to declare what he will or won't do. Teams use their best receivers in the slot a lot more these days. It's a thing. I don't believe the presence of Luther Burden is prohibitive.

How does Burden (and Loveland for that matter) get consistent snap if not in the slot?

You can’t compare Lamb or the DAL WR room to anything going on here.

My only comparison is that teams use their best receivers in the slot for matchups/getting them open.

We used to say "X receiver always outside, slot guy always inside." Teams are doing different things in 2025 compared to 2003 when I started. It's just reality.

To your question:

There's nothing stopping them from putting Burden on the outside and playing Moore in the slot when they do 3 WR sets. And playing Moore/Rome together in 2 WR sets.

 

[Blick]

I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

What are you basing this on? You speak with a lot of certainty.

Ceedee Lamb played 29% out of the slot last year, and 55% out of the slot the year before.

You're acting like "There's no way no how they'll use Moore in the slot because of this rookie they drafted."

I don't know that we've seen enough of Burden suceeding to declare what he will or won't do. Teams use their best receivers in the slot a lot more these days. It's a thing. I don't believe the presence of Luther Burden is prohibitive.

How does Burden (and Loveland for that matter) get consistent snap if not in the slot?

You can’t compare Lamb or the DAL WR room to anything going on here.

My only comparison is that teams use their best receivers in the slot for matchups/getting them open.

We used to say "X receiver always outside, slot guy always inside." Teams are doing different things in 2025 compared to 2003 when I started. It's just reality.

To your question:

There's nothing stopping them from putting Burden on the outside and playing Moore in the slot when they do 3 WR sets. And playing Moore/Rome together in 2 WR sets.

I’m not saying Moore won’t get snaps in the slot. I think they will be limited based on the draft capital spent on a primarily slot WR and a move TE.

 

[jm192]

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I think it’s not correct to try to fit the CHI WRs into the mold of DET’s. Amon Ra and Jameson are unlike any of CHI WRs. Its more a matter of personnel. They spent significant draft capital on a primarily slot WR. Assuming Burden is worth the draft pick, then he’ll very likely be in the slot most of the time. That puts both Moore and Rome outside in three WR sets.

All that said, that doesn’t mean Moore (or Odunze for that matter) won’t get snaps in the slot. But I don’t think it will be their primary position unless Burden is a bust.

Hmmm seems like some of what I've read has pointed to DJ Moore getting an increased slot role (that was his primary spot in Carolina). They are pushing Burden but he was slow activating due to injury and there was the report last week that Ben Johnson straight up pulled him out of practice because he was sick of him lining up wrong. I think Burden needs some development and is more of a longer term investment.

Again, Moore only gets increased slot snaps if Burden busts this season. That’s not even counting that Loveland is also moore than capable of playing in the slot.

What are you basing this on? You speak with a lot of certainty.

Ceedee Lamb played 29% out of the slot last year, and 55% out of the slot the year before.

You're acting like "There's no way no how they'll use Moore in the slot because of this rookie they drafted."

I don't know that we've seen enough of Burden suceeding to declare what he will or won't do. Teams use their best receivers in the slot a lot more these days. It's a thing. I don't believe the presence of Luther Burden is prohibitive.

How does Burden (and Loveland for that matter) get consistent snap if not in the slot?

You can’t compare Lamb or the DAL WR room to anything going on here.

My only comparison is that teams use their best receivers in the slot for matchups/getting them open.

We used to say "X receiver always outside, slot guy always inside." Teams are doing different things in 2025 compared to 2003 when I started. It's just reality.

To your question:

There's nothing stopping them from putting Burden on the outside and playing Moore in the slot when they do 3 WR sets. And playing Moore/Rome together in 2 WR sets.

I’m not saying Moore won’t get snaps in the slot. I think they will be limited based on the draft capital spent on a primarily slot WR and a move TE.

FWIW

Moore spent ~20% of his time in the slot each of the past 2 seasons.

You seem really married ot the idea of Burden=slot guy. Why? Burden is 6'0 210 lbs. He's not a small guy we typically prototype to the slot.

Burden was certainly used in the slot a lot in college. So was Malik Nabers. Nabers spent over half of his time in the slot his final season at LSU. He had nearly 63% of his production in that final LSU season.

He still plays some slot in the NFL. But Wandale Robinson did the majority of the slot work for the Giants. I know you're going to say "Well you can't compare the Giants to the Bears." I'm simply saying: heavy Slot use in college doesn't necessarily equal heavy slot usage in the NFL.

I would argue they were using Burden in the slot to create advantages.

I don't know what the Bears will or won't do. None of us do. The point of the game is to predict the future. But to say DJ Moore won't play in the slot some because they drafted a guy that's the same size as him doesn't sway my opinion.

 

[Ilov80s]

Burden has a lot of work to do. Seems like he came in with a reputation for perhaps being a bit lazy, not a true professional mentality. That has already come out in the summer. And I like Loveland, I am Michigan fan. However, he's dinged up a lot. He doesn't play physical. He doesn't have great speed. I am not so convinced he was worth the selection they made.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

Rome went 6.04 in my PPR startup. DJM went 8.02

That’s a lot of value in between those picks - if they end up with comparable stats, DJM may be the better value.

For redraft I’m gonna have to see some camp reports and preseason action to decide who to invest in. I’m probably in on both in redraft, but again, DJM might be the better value play in that format as well. Maybe especially in redraft where only this year matters.

 

[jm192]

Burden has a lot of work to do. Seems like he came in with a reputation for perhaps being a bit lazy, not a true professional mentality. That has already come out in the summer. And I like Loveland, I am Michigan fan. However, he's dinged up a lot. He doesn't play physical. He doesn't have great speed. I am not so convinced he was worth the selection they made.

I've got reservations on Loveland between the AC issue and just being a rookie. Cole Kmet has been a solid fantasy TE in the past. If Caleb and the offense as a whole improve, I could see Kmet being the TE play.

My mind goes to Buffalo with Kincaid. They spent a 1st on a TE. That screams they're going to use him a lot. But he has a hard time keeping his snap % over 50%. The veteran TE (Knox) stays on the field. I assume he's a better blocker?

Maybe the same happens in Chicago. And then Kmet's just a better receiver/playmaker than Knox.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

Yeah, that’s a very fair point

 

[jm192]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

I'm high on Caleb. 3500 and 20 as a rookie. Coaching upgrade.

He had nearly 500 yards rushing last year too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

I'm high on Caleb. 3500 and 20 as a rookie. Coaching upgrade.

He had nearly 500 yards rushing last year too.

Yeah, in my current draft he made it to 3.09 and I (3.11) was starting to sweat profusely and breathe hard, then *click* he was gone.

I shoulda traded up.

 

[Ilov80s]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

Yeah, that’s a very fair point

For sure not a bad bet. Hopefully reports get better on him as summer goes a long. There is a decent chance that the whole thing is a mess, Caleb included. But he has a really nice ceiling given his ADP.

 

[Buckna]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

I'm high on Caleb. 3500 and 20 as a rookie. Coaching upgrade.

He had nearly 500 yards rushing last year too.

I spent a lot to acquire him last year in a rookie draft and so watched him quite a bit and I have some concerns on his decisions making and ability to get the ball out fast enough. However, the coaching was very bad and the o'line was abysmal and injured. Bears did a lot to address both this offseason so hopefully we see some improvement this year. It did take year or so for Goff to really take off in Johnson's offense so I'm tempering my expectations for fantasy stardom and hoping to mainly just see some real steps forward. However the Lions were a mess with few weapons that year (ARSB was just a rookie that first year) and people thought Goff would just be a placeholder until they drafted a new rookie.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

However, the coaching was very bad and the o'line was abysmal and injured

Yeah, this seems like not only a personnel change, but an entire culture change to the approach of building an offense. They started in the trenches, and I think it’s all going to pay dividends.

 

[H8fulHuck]

With all the love in here, seems the play is to draft Caleb

Oh no… Caleb!

Sleeper video was perfect timing throwing a moon ball up for grabs under pressure.

 

[dipandglide]

Moore is going to either win leagues or leave people holding the bag. He's one of the more polarizing players this offseason.

 

[Faust]

Ben Devine
DJ Moore will be employed in somewhat of the 49ers' Deebo Samuel Role this season. He's been lining up in the backfield every practice in training camp. #DaBears

https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1952088235913437297?s=61

 

[pinkstapler]

Ben Devine
DJ Moore will be employed in somewhat of the 49ers' Deebo Samuel Role this season. He's been lining up in the backfield every practice in training camp. #DaBears

https://x.com/chicago_nfl/status/1952088235913437297?s=61

Preface: this is a joke.
Acknowledgement: DJ Moore is still the best WR on the team until someone else proves otherwise.

Tin foil hat - coach is running him out of the backfield hoping he picks up and injury that way he has an excuse to focus on/get playing time for the players he actually drafted and not the guy he blasted for his poor attitude last season. Ok I'll see myself out while DJ owners get their pitchforks ready....

Reminder: just a joke.

 

[Drake Hater]

Tin foil hat - coach is running him out of the backfield hoping he picks up and injury that way he has an excuse to focus on/get playing time for the players he actually drafted and not the guy he blasted for his poor attitude last season. Ok I'll see myself out while DJ owners get their pitchforks ready...

Ha, not bad.

I kind of think this is Johnson's way of getting DJ some manufactured touches as Williams continues to learn the new system. Williams may be struggling in getting the ball to DJ enough via passing that they just want to ensure DJ gets the ball more often. Not a bad strategy if that's true, and if they build some play action off those alignments then we could see more explosive down field plays to Odunze, et al.

 

[pinkstapler]

Tin foil hat - coach is running him out of the backfield hoping he picks up and injury that way he has an excuse to focus on/get playing time for the players he actually drafted and not the guy he blasted for his poor attitude last season. Ok I'll see myself out while DJ owners get their pitchforks ready...

Ha, not bad.

I kind of think this is Johnson's way of getting DJ some manufactured touches as Williams continues to learn the new system. Williams may be struggling in getting the ball to DJ enough via passing that they just want to ensure DJ gets the ball more often. Not a bad strategy if that's true, and if they build some play action off those alignments then we could see more explosive down field plays to Odunze, et al.

Yeah for sure. I personally haven't put much stock into trying to predict the BJ Bears based on the BJ Lions just because the chess pieces are so different. But in general, especially with a 2nd year QB off a pretty poor first season and still acclimating to the league; I see DJ Moore playing less outside and more from the slot as a good thing. I don't feel comfortable saying "BJs new ARSB!", but I do think it should lead to lots of good looks. And while I think some of the "Burden bad in camp" is being overblown, I'd imagine Moore will not be coming off the field in favor of him or anyone else in two WR formations.

The fact the Bears have so many weapons is a bit of a headache for us fantasy players, but I'm sure coach loves it. And it's hard not to take the "well which one is most proven" approach when we are trying to predict touches for this upcoming season.