WR Davante Adams, LAR (1 Viewer)

[Rhythmdoctor]

Adams went in round 3 last night in a $350 buy in league, 12 team PPR.

 

[LawFitz]

I don't think the threat of Ty Montgomery is being accounted for enough by the two players' latest ADPs.

I also think Adams is a Crabtree clone (physically speaking). I don't care what their forty times were, Adams doesn't have Nelson's long speed on tape, which to me signals less TDs and lower YPR, even if the target numbers are similar (they may not be).

Assuming full health and 16 games for Adams and Rogers, I foresee a WR3 floor with WR2 upside.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I like Adams a lot. He isn't the same kind of receiver as Jordy or Cobb for that matter. He does remind me of Sterling Sharpe; big body, does dirty work over the middle, game fast, good hands, physical. I like his chances to be a great player in this offense.

I have yet to see him "do dirty work over the middle". He was strictly outside the hashes in year one and in college. Good jump ball guy though.

? He ran a ton of slants last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGymW5Qcug

3 quick slants in that vid. Definitely requires toughness. But a ton? My definition of a ton apparently differs.

There were a few posts and deep slants.

He has the ability. Let's not act like he's Anquan Boldin.

 

[Tau837]

I like Adams a lot. He isn't the same kind of receiver as Jordy or Cobb for that matter. He does remind me of Sterling Sharpe; big body, does dirty work over the middle, game fast, good hands, physical. I like his chances to be a great player in this offense.

I have yet to see him "do dirty work over the middle". He was strictly outside the hashes in year one and in college. Good jump ball guy though.

Well, maybe you didn't see it, but it happened. Per PFF, last season Adams broke down like this:

29 targets outside left - 18/237/0 with 2 drops

28 targets middle - 18/237/4 with 1 drop

18 targets outside right - 10/96/0 with 1 drop

He was most effective over the middle, and all of his TDs were over the middle.

 

[ericttspikes]

I like Adams a lot. He isn't the same kind of receiver as Jordy or Cobb for that matter. He does remind me of Sterling Sharpe; big body, does dirty work over the middle, game fast, good hands, physical. I like his chances to be a great player in this offense.

I have yet to see him "do dirty work over the middle". He was strictly outside the hashes in year one and in college. Good jump ball guy though.

? He ran a ton of slants last year.

You said you never saw him do it. It's kinda what they do in Green Bay, and goes over the middle plenty. But if you think he's a jump ball guy, so be it.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

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Davante Adams (WR)

HT: 6'1" WT: 212LBS.

POSITION: WR

SCHOOL: Fresno St.

ARM LENGTH: 32 5/8"

HANDS: 9"

Overview

Also starred in basketball as a California prep. Redshirted in 2011, earning offensive scout team player of the year recognition. Was Mountain West Conference Freshman of the Year in '12 when he amassed 102 receptions for 1,312 yards (12.9-yard average) and 14 touchdowns in 13 starts, setting conference freshman records for catches and yards. Led the nation in receptions and receiving touchdowns and set a single-season school record for receiving yards in '13 when he started 12-of-13 contests and piled up 131-1,718-24 (13.1). Owns MWC records for single-season and career touchdown catches (38) as well as the school mark for career receptions (233).

SELECTED BY: Packers

ROUND: 2

PICK (OVERALL): 21 (53)

PICK ANALYSIS:

"This pick makes a lot of sense. The Packers lost James Jones in free agency to Oakland. They still have Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. He's a big, physical wide receiver. He's going to have to learn how to run some different kind of routes in Green Bay. If I'm that young man, I'm going to attach myself at the hip to Aaron Rodgers." -- Mike Mayock

COMBINE STATS

40 YARD DASH: 4.56 SEC

BENCH PRESS: 14 REPS

VERTICAL JUMP: 39.5 INCH

BROAD JUMP: 123.0 INCH

3 CONE DRILL: 6.82 SEC

20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.30 SEC

ANALYSIS

Strengths

Has a rangy build with good body length and secure hands to palm the ball and make difficult one-handed grabs. Tracks and adjusts to the ball very well downfield. Extends outside his frame and plucks the ball out of the air. Natural hands-catcher. Terrific athlete with good leaping ability and anticipation to properly time jumps and highpoint the ball. Wins jumpballs in the red zone and shows very good hand-eye coordination to take the ball away from defenders. Exceptional production. Has a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump.

Weaknesses

Lacks ideal functional playing strength to consistently beat the jam and can get hung up at the line. Long strider and is not sudden out of his breaks. Production was inflated from a quick-hitting, lateral passing game.

Draft Projection

Round 2

Bottom Line

A rangy, sure-handed possession receiver with starter-caliber, positional traits. Lacks top-end speed and strength. As a 21-year-old, third-year sophomore entering the draft early, is still growing into his body and developing core strength. Comparing favorably to a poor man's Michael Crabtree, Adams possesses very intriguing upside to be groomed.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/davante-adams?id=2543495

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'm not saying Adams can't improve as a WR, but I found this interesting..

"A lot of the concerns about Adams transitioning from a weaker collegiate conference to the NFL popped up in his rookie season as he was inconsistent and inefficient with his opportunities. Despite playing on 756 snaps (70 percent) and with Green Bay using three receivers on 91 percent of their passing plays (most in the league), Adams had 11 games with two or fewer receptions and 10 games with 20 or less receiving yards. "

His catch rate was 57% (66 targets). It's slightly odd considering the QB but Jordy actually had a similar rookie season in 08. Unlike Jordy however, I don't think Adams can thrive if he hovers around a 60% catch rate; Jordy can mask any inefficiency with his ypc average.

Adams is a candidate for triple digit targets but depending on his ADP moving forward you may actually just be paying for his ceiling which I largely tend to avoid.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

he went in round3 in a ppr draft last night

 

[LittlePhatty]

How does this year affect dynasty assuming Jordy will be full strength next year?

Even if Adams has a "James Jones 2012" type season (in which Jordy was also injured) do we automatically assume he'll regress to being "James Jones 2013" next year?

If he puts together a solid season, maybe it will be time to shop him around.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

How does this year affect dynasty assuming Jordy will be full strength next year?

Even if Adams has a "James Jones 2012" type season (in which Jordy was also injured) do we automatically assume he'll regress to being "James Jones 2013" next year?

If he puts together a solid season, maybe it will be time to shop him around.

I think NOW is the time to shop. People have such high expectations, what are the chances he lives up to them? 50% at best? His value is skyrocketing and this will only continue prior to week one. The next 2 weeks is the selling sweet spot.

 

[LittlePhatty]

How does this year affect dynasty assuming Jordy will be full strength next year?

Even if Adams has a "James Jones 2012" type season (in which Jordy was also injured) do we automatically assume he'll regress to being "James Jones 2013" next year?

If he puts together a solid season, maybe it will be time to shop him around.

I think NOW is the time to shop. People have such high expectations, what are the chances he lives up to them? 50% at best? His value is skyrocketing and this will only continue prior to week one. The next 2 weeks is the selling sweet spot.

You're very down on Adams, you've made that clear. So how far down your draft board have you moved Aaron Rodgers because of your low Adams projections?

In 2012, James Jones caught 14 TDs while Jordy Nelson was dealing with a hamstring issue for about half the season.

So I don't think the question here is how Adams compares to Nelson, but instead we should ask if he can at least be as good as James Jones for a season? I'd say yes, without a doubt.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

How does this year affect dynasty assuming Jordy will be full strength next year?

Even if Adams has a "James Jones 2012" type season (in which Jordy was also injured) do we automatically assume he'll regress to being "James Jones 2013" next year?

If he puts together a solid season, maybe it will be time to shop him around.

I think NOW is the time to shop. People have such high expectations, what are the chances he lives up to them? 50% at best? His value is skyrocketing and this will only continue prior to week one. The next 2 weeks is the selling sweet spot.

You're very down on Adams, you've made that clear. So how far down your draft board have you moved Aaron Rodgers because of your low Adams projections?In 2012, James Jones caught 14 TDs while Jordy Nelson was dealing with a hamstring issue for about half the season.

So I don't think the question here is how Adams compares to Nelson, but instead we should ask if he can at least be as good as James Jones for a season? I'd say yes, without a doubt.

I'm not down on Adams. I'm realistic on Adams. I don't expect him to come in and put up Jordy numbers. I predicted a 70-900-9 season. Low end WR2/WR3 numbers. How is that being down on him when he has proven nothing?

My point is you can sell him now based on what people think he will be. Why not get a proven player?

I drop Rodgers from 4500 and 40 TD, to 4300 and 35 TD.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Assuming a return to full strength, Jordy's dynasty value should rebound. But nowhere near what it was before the injury. He'll be coming back at age 31, and having lost a year of his prime.

 

[Chaka]

Too many folks assuming can win against #1 and 2 corners at only a tiny discount to the cobb nelson level.

Too many folks overestimating the impact of facing #2 corners.

The only time he will face #1 corners are either when Cobb is off the field or the play is designed to peel the #1 corner off of Cobb.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Too many folks assuming can win against #1 and 2 corners at only a tiny discount to the cobb nelson level.

Too many folks overestimating the impact of facing #2 corners.The only time he will face #1 corners are either when Cobb is off the field or the play is designed to peel the #1 corner off of Cobb.

This is wrong. #1 corners don't typically cover the slot. That would leave a weakness on the opposite side of the field. Teams also play zone coverage and jam at the line. Adams is going to have to beat 1s and 2s all season to succeed.

 

[Sabertooth]

Looked fine against Miami's #1 corner on this play

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Aaron-Rodgers-fakes-spike-throws-to-Davante-Adams/5cbad445-1545-410e-b531-1fe73e56fa4a

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

Davante may not have Jordy's top end speed, but his measurables compare favorably to Packers legend Sterling Sharpe. I'm excited to see what the kid can do. In college he was a TD machine.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Where are people seeing this guy go in their drafts now? He has yet to make it to my mid-4th round pick in any of the mocks I've done.

 

[jamchamp1]

I took him and Andre Johnson at 3.12/4.01 in a 12-team .5 per reception draft to pair with Demarco and Beckham. I don't think he is the most talented receiver to ever catch passes from Aaron Rodgers. However, he is #2 in the pecking order on a team that has Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball. That alone makes this guy more appealing than a lot of the players going in the late 3rd and beginning/middle of the 4th. When you get around that pick, if you take an RB, he is likely on a bad team or in a difficult situation to project and a lot of the receivers going around that time have question marks as well. You know he is going to get opportunities even if he has a "limited" skill set. Aaron Rodgers and the Packers scheme alone can produce at least two productive fantasy receivers no matter how talented they are. He's in the best situation possible for a player of his measurables to succeed. I am projecting him as a solid WR2 with WR1 upside every week as long as Aaron Rodgers is throwing him the ball.

 

[tangfoot]

Where are people seeing this guy go in their drafts now? He has yet to make it to my mid-4th round pick in any of the mocks I've done.

I just got him at #48 overall in a 10-team league.

 

[skillz]

Where are people seeing this guy go in their drafts now? He has yet to make it to my mid-4th round pick in any of the mocks I've done.

I got him at 4.02 on Sunday in a 12 team non-PPR. Took him over Hopkins but after guys like Cooks, Sanders, Evans, and Matthews were already gone.

 

[skillz]

Last year I took Sanders based on the fact that Manning was his QB, he was in a pass happy offense, and Welker was already starting to slow down with all the concussions. That turned out pretty good for me even though many people thought I was too bullish on Sanders. Sometimes you need to read the tea leaves and reach for a guy (albeit not too much) and draft based on what you think he will do even though he hasn't done it yet. The opportunity presented to Adams this year was too great for me to pass up and I think he is a great find as a WR2 given his upside in the GB offense. McCarthy and Rodgers were raving about him in camp and he was showing glimpses last year too. If I am wrong I will have another WR2 I can start in his place, but unlike many WR2's I can get him relatively cheap for a guy with WR1 upside.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Last year I took Sanders based on the fact that Manning was his QB, he was in a pass happy offense, and Welker was already starting to slow down with all the concussions. That turned out pretty good for me even though many people thought I was too bullish on Sanders. Sometimes you need to read the tea leaves and reach for a guy (albeit not too much) and draft based on what you think he will do even though he hasn't done it yet. The opportunity presented to Adams this year was too great for me to pass up and I think he is a great find as a WR2 given his upside in the GB offense. McCarthy and Rodgers were raving about him in camp and he was showing glimpses last year too. If I am wrong I will have another WR2 I can start in his place, but unlike many WR2's I can get him relatively cheap for a guy with WR1 upside.

I also targeted Sanders last year and agree for the most part. The mjor difference however is that you could pretty comfortably grab Sanders in the 5th or 6th round whereas it's looking more and more like it's going to take a 3rd to land Adams.

 

[Ironman2131]

Where are you guys seeing Adams go in dynasty drafts? He's not lining up to be my starter, but I'm curious where he's being valued long-term so I can look for potential RB deals.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://m.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-system-plays-to-each-receivers-strengths-b99557917z1-323348441.html

...Every off-season McCarthy and his staff break down every route the receivers ran the previous year and identify strengths and weaknesses. Then they start brainstorming about how they can play to the strengths.

When the players come back in April, the coaches are able to introduce them to the changes. Before Nelson got hurt, Adams, for instance, already was expanding his game and working with Rodgers on timing up fades in the red zone, something Adams excelled at when he played at Fresno State.

He isn't going to be plugged into Nelson's spot and be asked to run all the comeback, post and stop routes that Nelson was so good at. He's going to be asked to run his best routes from different positions than he did a year ago when he was mostly an outside receiver...

...This summer he has had more time to work with Rodgers, and their chemistry will continue to develop during the season.

"A lot of it is reading body language," Rodgers said. "He has a different element to his game than other guys. He has kind of the big build of James Jones with the elusiveness of Greg. You know, Greg, he was an incredible route runner. Very smooth but subtle movements, able to create separation that other guys aren't able to do so well.

"You kind of want to be, 'Hey, Davante, you run this route how you like it and we'll kind of adjust.' It's putting guys in position to do what they do best. We're just letting 'Tae show us what he does well and we're adjusting, and we tweak it if we need to tweak it. He's a talented guy."

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[Dr. Octopus]

Where are you guys seeing Adams go in dynasty drafts? He's not lining up to be my starter, but I'm curious where he's being valued long-term so I can look for potential RB deals.

My guess is that most dynasty startup drafts took place prior to Jordy's injury.

 

[joffer]

Took him at WR23 tonight, #57 overall

 

[FantasySeer]

showed who he was tonight (again)

50% catch rate from the best qb against a terrible secondary

outplayed by a 31 year old journeyman

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It looked to me like Adams was on his way to a big, high target game before he hurt his ankle. He had like 4 catches in the 1st quarter. He's going to have a good one soon if he's healthy.

 

[MattFancy]

It looked to me like Adams was on his way to a big, high target game before he hurt his ankle. He had like 4 catches in the 1st quarter. He's going to have a good one soon if he's healthy.

Think it could be this week. Sanders and Thomas ate up the Chiefs secondary last week. And that was with a broken down Peyton Manning. Rodgers should have no problem against their secondary. Especially if Lacy is out and they decide to throw a little more.

 

[JuniorNB]

It looked to me like Adams was on his way to a big, high target game before he hurt his ankle. He had like 4 catches in the 1st quarter. He's going to have a good one soon if he's healthy.

Think it could be this week. Sanders and Thomas ate up the Chiefs secondary last week. And that was with a broken down Peyton Manning. Rodgers should have no problem against their secondary. Especially if Lacy is out and they decide to throw a little more.

Any word on his ankle? I know he ended up coming back in Sunday night, but sometimes it can stay aggravated days after. I agree that a big game is on the horizon for Adams. Still can't figure out what smoke and mirrors James Jones is using to get all those touchdowns.

 

[MattFancy]

It looked to me like Adams was on his way to a big, high target game before he hurt his ankle. He had like 4 catches in the 1st quarter. He's going to have a good one soon if he's healthy.

Think it could be this week. Sanders and Thomas ate up the Chiefs secondary last week. And that was with a broken down Peyton Manning. Rodgers should have no problem against their secondary. Especially if Lacy is out and they decide to throw a little more.

Any word on his ankle? I know he ended up coming back in Sunday night, but sometimes it can stay aggravated days after. I agree that a big game is on the horizon for Adams. Still can't figure out what smoke and mirrors James Jones is using to get all those touchdowns.

Haven't seen much about the ankle, which I guess is a good thing. Couldn't have been that serious if he came back in and finished the game.

 

[sho nuff]

Know more tomorrow when they practice. Nothing coming out today.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Davante Adams said Friday that he doesn't consider his ankle injury a true "injury."
Adams seems very likely to play Monday night against the Chiefs, likelier than Eddie Lacy (ankle), who also appears on track to play. "It's just the pressure when I lean on it a certain way or things like that, but I was able to cut on it pretty good today," said Adams after participating in individual drills on Friday. "I can run pretty much full speed, it's just a matter of the reactionary type things just making sure that everything feels right when I get hands on me and things like that."

Source: ESPN.com
Sep 25 - 7:36 PM

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Pure speculation I know but I kind of think Adams was destined for that big game last night and... the ankle injury. Not lovin' the way things are going.

 

[JuniorNB]

Pure speculation I know but I kind of think Adams was destined for that big game last night and... the ankle injury. Not lovin' the way things are going.

Two targets on Green Bay's first three plays. I agree with you.

 

[MattFancy]

Pure speculation I know but I kind of think Adams was destined for that big game last night and... the ankle injury. Not lovin' the way things are going.

It seems like the last 2 weeks were set up nicely for him, but the ankle has kept him from going off. Hopefully he gets it right and lights it up soon.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This is a tough one. He was looking good vs the Seahawks... then... dang more players get hurt vs the Hawks than anyone else it seems.

https://vine.co/v/ePh2ahUaWzd

CBS is reporting:

Adams is more than likely facing an absence of several weeks...

- no link - any verification of this?

update:

Ian Rapoport Verified account ‏@RapSheet 20h20 hours ago

#Packers WR Davante Adams, who has been declared out, reaggravated his high-ankle sprain, source said. He's expected to miss some time.

 

[Smack Tripper]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him. Got him in my big money league which sucks, but I'm glad I missed on him in all my other leagues after targeting him.

Ty or jones seem like much better plays here for the rest is the season

 

[spider321]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Faust]

No high ankle sprain for Packers WR Davante Adams despite walking boot:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/23606/no-high-ankle-sprain-for-packers-wr-davante-adams-despite-walking-boot

 

[Smack Tripper]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other than the situaton, which is exceptional, what's good about HIM ? As a player?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other than the situaton, which is exceptional, what's good about HIM ? As a player?

Great college career (2 years), established himself as the #3 WR in Green Bay by midseason of his rookie year (played over 70% of snaps). Had a great preseason and was the clear #2 after Nelson went down. Doesn't drop the ball, makes the acrobatic catches, fearless working inside - Packers love him, definitely an NFL starting quality WR.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other than the situaton, which is exceptional, what's good about HIM ? As a player?

Great college career (2 years), established himself as the #3 WR in Green Bay by midseason of his rookie year (played over 70% of snaps). Had a great preseason and was the clear #2 after Nelson went down. Doesn't drop the ball, makes the acrobatic catches, fearless working inside - Packers love him, definitely an NFL starting quality WR.

He's pre injury Michael Crabtree. Not special.

 

[JuniorNB]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other than the situaton, which is exceptional, what's good about HIM ? As a player?

Great college career (2 years), established himself as the #3 WR in Green Bay by midseason of his rookie year (played over 70% of snaps). Had a great preseason and was the clear #2 after Nelson went down. Doesn't drop the ball, makes the acrobatic catches, fearless working inside - Packers love him, definitely an NFL starting quality WR.

He's pre injury Michael Crabtree. Not special.

Packers seem to disagree. They love him. I guess we'll see.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him.

In dynasty, you couldn't be more wrong.

Other than the situaton, which is exceptional, what's good about HIM ? As a player?

Great college career (2 years), established himself as the #3 WR in Green Bay by midseason of his rookie year (played over 70% of snaps). Had a great preseason and was the clear #2 after Nelson went down. Doesn't drop the ball, makes the acrobatic catches, fearless working inside - Packers love him, definitely an NFL starting quality WR.

He's pre injury Michael Crabtree. Not special.

People on these boards didn't think much of Driver, Jennings, Jones, Cobb, Nelson at one point in their careers either.

The praise for Adams coming from McCarthy and Rodgers during the offseason was overwhelming.

“I never called out Davante by name last year. I was hoping that he would pick it up with his practice habits. But Davante is a very polished player, and he has an excellent demeanor for a guy who’s going to be a star,” Rodgers said, via ESPN Wisconsin. “I mean, he carries himself like a star – which is a very high compliment. There’s only been a few guys around here who’ve had that charisma: Charles [Woodson], Julius [Peppers], Greg [Jennings] always had it as a young player. But there’s very few guys that really ‘get it.” And he has supreme confidence, and it’s contagious. And I’m really proud of his approach and his attitude. It makes you want to get him the ball more. It makes you watch the film and have regrets about not giving him more opportunities. And that’s again, another compliment for him.”

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

So "acting like a star" makes you a future one?

Crabtree was a good player before his injury.

Nobody is saying he sucks. He's just not a superstar.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

So "acting like a star" makes you a future one?

Crabtree was a good player before his injury.

Nobody is saying he sucks. He's just not a superstar.

It would seem Aaron Rodgers disagrees with your assessment.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

So "acting like a star" makes you a future one?

Crabtree was a good player before his injury.

Nobody is saying he sucks. He's just not a superstar.

It would seem Aaron Rodgers disagrees with your assessment.

Please explain. Multiple scouts and analysts agree he is not a special talent.

He's not even on Marvin Jones' level of talent IMO.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Nobody is saying he sucks. He's just not a superstar.

Nobody is saying he's a superstar, but someone in this thread did say, "He's trash. And all this missed time is gonna sink him."