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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (1 Viewer)

SayWhat? said:
You had to make an incredible leap to process that post as me celebrating his injury.  In fact, I believe i started the post with “huge bummer.”  Poor interpretation, brah.
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So you whiffed on your evaluation of a ~1000yard rookie WR and hoped he would regress so you could save face. It’s ok pal it happens 

 
Edgar said:
So you whiffed on your evaluation of a ~1000yard rookie WR and hoped he would regress so you could save face. It’s ok pal it happens 
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Man, you’re just stacking nonsense on top of nonsense.  Good luck with whatever you’d like to infer from my post.  

 
The Athletic's Matt Barrows reports Deebo Samuel (foot) is dealing with a "classic" Jones fracture.

Barrows reports the timeline is more in the 10-12 week range than the 12-16 that was initially reported. That could be the difference between beginning the season on the reserve/PUP list or not. Barrows does believe the team might exercise extreme caution with Samuel after Trent Taylor's recovery from a Jones fracture went awry last year. So far, Samuel has been sidelined for two weeks. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Jul 1, 2020, 10:21 PM ET
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I'm not sure I know where i land with Deebo. We play in a modified keeper league where you get to keep the person you drafted 2 rounds earlier in the following year.  I kept Deebo this year as a 9th rounder.  I'm not sure that was smart...

 
Ten weeks might be too soon, but people heal and work at healing differently.  I hope he takes 12 or 13 weeks, but less than the max of 16 weeks.  The worst thing he could do is rush back, but if he's healed after 10 to 12 weeks,.......he's healed. 

 
killface said:
I'm not sure I know where i land with Deebo. We play in a modified keeper league where you get to keep the person you drafted 2 rounds earlier in the following year.  I kept Deebo this year as a 9th rounder.  I'm not sure that was smart...
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Without knowing your other options I would say you are correct in that it was not smart.  I never want to have my keeper be a guy coming off a major injury that may start the season on the PUP.

 
Gally said:
Without knowing your other options I would say you are correct in that it was not smart.  I never want to have my keeper be a guy coming off a major injury that may start the season on the PUP.
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Well mostly given our league you can just think of him as my 9th round pick.  

My other wrs

hopkins

hilton

parker

cooks

Jefferson

I don't even really need him but in the back of my mind he's barely a wr4 this year so borderline droppable

 
killface said:
Well mostly given our league you can just think of him as my 9th round pick.  

My other wrs

hopkins

hilton

parker

cooks

Jefferson

I don't even really need him but in the back of my mind he's barely a wr4 this year so borderline droppable
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As a 9th round pick he is not a bad gamble.  As using him as your keeper slot (regardless of what round) it wasn't a wise move.  My comment was more about what your other keeper options were instead of Deebo - not who your other WR's on the roster are. 

 
Speaking Tuesday, 49ers GM John Lynch said it was "fair to say" Deebo Samuel (broken foot) "might" miss time in the regular season. 

In other words, he's going to miss time. "It's fair to say he might miss some games at the beginning of the year," was Lynch's exact quote. The reserve/PUP list can't be ruled out for the sophomore, which would cost him six games. That probably won't happen, but 3-4 is looking likely. That creates a massive opportunity for first-round rookie Brandon Aiyuk, as well as Trent Taylor and Jalen Hurd, who are both returning from injuries of their own. Samuel is shaping up as a risky late-round stash in fantasy drafts. 

SOURCE: Matt Barrows on Twitter 

Jul 28, 2020, 11:20 AM ET
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Been getting offers for him, but I'm not selling at this time.  Funny thing is, owners do this when a player gets hurt in hopes to get a cheap deal and I don't blame them.  Just don't fall for it.

 
JohnnyU said:
Whether he makes it back for the start of the season or not, it's a good sign seeing him work so hard in his rehab.
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Yeah but he needs to ease up without overexerting his health.  49ers would be wise to monitor his overall health to preserve him throughout season and playoff. 

 
Got him in the 10th round of a draft last weekend, as a WR5. I think its a steal if he is healthy for even 10 games. Of course, I had him as a top-10 WR pre-injury so I might just be high on him in general.

 
49ers HC Kyle Shanahan said WR Deebo Samuel (foot) has a chance of playing in the 49ers' Week 1 game against Arizona, though he's "not counting on it." 

The Niners presumed No. 1 wideout is still recovering from June foot surgery. “Deebo’s going to do anything he can to be in shape, but it’s hard to be in football shape until you can play football,” Shanahan said. “So how many practices can we get him in here before Arizona? That’s going to all go into play, so I’m hoping for Week 1. But not sure yet." Brandon Aiyuk, available in the 12th round of fantasy drafts, could enter the season as the team's No. 1 receiver. 

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Brandon Aiyuk

SOURCE: NBC Sports 

Aug 15, 2020, 5:18 PM ET
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Milkman said:
It's not Aiyuk. It's Jalen Hurd. 
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I'm not sure its anybody. Deebo is unlikely to play week 1, but its not like he's going to be an IR or PUP guy. He could easily be back, and be the top WR by week 4. Until then, I could just as easily see a bump in Kittle, or in the RB's.

 
travdogg said:
I'm not sure its anybody. Deebo is unlikely to play week 1, but its not like he's going to be an IR or PUP guy. He could easily be back, and be the top WR by week 4. Until then, I could just as easily see a bump in Kittle, or in the RB's.
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Except for one problem. A lot of people don't know this either....  Hurd was beating Deebo out for that starting spot when he got injured. 

This is the same guy that kept Kamara off the field at Tennessee as a RB. Transferred to Baylor, switched positions, and proceeded to beast there too. 

He's an injury risk for sure but he was flashing like crazy in training camp and preseason. 

 
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travdogg said:
Got him in the 10th round of a draft last weekend, as a WR5. I think its a steal if he is healthy for even 10 games. Of course, I had him as a top-10 WR pre-injury so I might just be high on him in general.
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I'm a true deebo believer but even I think top 10 is too high for this season even if he were healthy.  Give him another year.

 
wgoldsph said:
I'm a true deebo believer but even I think top 10 is too high for this season even if he were healthy.  Give him another year.
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Deebo was on a 1300-8(total) pace over the last 8 games of last season, with a bunch of things looking in his favor going into 2020. Sanders gets replaced by a rookie, the defense possibly(probably) takes a step back, and Deebo himself improves. Then he gets hurt.

The recipe for a top-10 season was there in my opinion, and he was a 5th round pick at the time. He looked like the biggest value on the board pre-injury. That said, I'm very happy to have gotten him as a WR5, and think its highly possible, he's an every week starter in the second half of the season. 

 
travdogg said:
Deebo was on a 1300-8(total) pace over the last 8 games of last season, with a bunch of things looking in his favor going into 2020. Sanders gets replaced by a rookie, the defense possibly(probably) takes a step back, and Deebo himself improves. Then he gets hurt.

The recipe for a top-10 season was there in my opinion, and he was a 5th round pick at the time. He looked like the biggest value on the board pre-injury. That said, I'm very happy to have gotten him as a WR5, and think its highly possible, he's an every week starter in the second half of the season. 
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You need to figure without Sanders and after his quality rookie year opposing defenses will give him more attention, knocking those numbers down a bit.  Add to that the variable nature of the SF offense I'd think 1300 combined rushing/receiving yards would be his absolute ceiling for year two. Tds are generally a flukey number but he did get 16 targets in the redzone which is pretty damn good.  Still, hard to predict who will get touches at what part of the field in that offense.

Like I said, I'm a huge believer and I did expect a top 15 finish, but there's just too many variables to put him in the top 10 for me just yet pre-injury.

To me the whole offense could either allow everyone to eat (esp in ppr) or they can all end up canabalizing each other. We'll see what happens when the defense loses a step.

 
wgoldsph said:
You need to figure without Sanders and after his quality rookie year opposing defenses will give him more attention, knocking those numbers down a bit.  Add to that the variable nature of the SF offense I'd think 1300 combined rushing/receiving yards would be his absolute ceiling for year two. Tds are generally a flukey number but he did get 16 targets in the redzone which is pretty damn good.  Still, hard to predict who will get touches at what part of the field in that offense.

Like I said, I'm a huge believer and I did expect a top 15 finish, but there's just too many variables to put him in the top 10 for me just yet pre-injury.

To me the whole offense could either allow everyone to eat (esp in ppr) or they can all end up canabalizing each other. We'll see what happens when the defense loses a step.
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Will the defense lose a step?

They drafted Javon Kinlaw with the 14th pick of the 2020 draft. He could be a good replacement for DeForest Buckner. Their other losses besides Sanders seem inconsequential.

I have been reading that the 49ers not a good offense for fantasy production in threads this morning. So I decided to look that up and see if that is true or not?

2019 479 pass attempts 498 rushing attempts.

2018 558 pass attempts 423 rushing attempts.

2017 607 pass attempts 408 rushing attempts.

3 year average 548 pass attempts 443 rushing attempts.

While I do think the 49ers would prefer to throw less as it was successful for them in 2019 I am not sure they will have that luxury. JG did not play much in 2017 and I think that skews in favor of more passing attempts than they would like, but looking at the 3 year average there is actually more opportunity here than one might think if just looking at last years stats.

That said I don't think Samuel has top 12 upside for fantasy WR. I think he is a WR two but I wouldnt expect the numbers to be high enough for him to be top 12. Even without the injury.

I do think there are more passing attempts from this offense than some people may be projecting for them based on last season though. If I split the difference between where they want to be (2019 numbers) and the 3 year average I get 513 passing attempts and that is where I would set the median range to be for the 49ers.

They did add Aiyuk who they envision taking over Emanual Sanders role in the offense. I am seeing mostly the same 49ers team coming back.

 
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Speaking Thursday, 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said he was "hopeful" Deebo Samuel (foot) will be ready for Week 1. 

Shanahan just said five days ago that he was "not counting on" Samuel being ready for the opener, but Jalen Hurd tore his ACL in the interim. Perhaps the Niners are now more ready to push the envelope with their second-year pro. Reading the tea leaves, Samuel still seems most likely to miss a game or two, but the reserve/NFI list seems to be off the table. Despite the obvious risk, Samuel remains well worth a mid- to late-round flier.  

SOURCE: Nick Wagoner on Twitter 

Aug 20, 2020, 2:50 PM ET
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49ers coach Kyle Shanahan confirmed that Deebo Samuel (foot) will not practice this week.

Shanahan is "hopeful" that Samuel will be ready for Week 1 but is far from committing to that being the case. Samuel will need to return to the practice field before suiting up, so it's getting more and more likely that Samuel misses some game time. Jones fractures are particularly tough for a receiver who specializes in yards after the catch, making Samuel a risky mid-round selection. Helping Samuel's case, however, is the fact that the 49ers receivers continue to drop like flies. First-round rookie Brandon Aiyuk is not practicing due to a "mild" hamstring injury that also makes him week to week and Jalen Hurd is out for the year. These injuries make George Kittle a quality second-round selection in fantasy drafts. Kendrick Bourne would likely be the de-facto No. 1 receiver if Aiyuk and Samuel are out for Week 1.

SOURCE: 49ers.com

Aug 25, 2020, 8:11 PM ET
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Deebo Samuel (foot, active/NFI) was spotted “sprinting hard“ on a side field.

The Athletic’s Matt Barrows called it Samuel’s “most intense workout thus far with change-of-direction." Samuel is pushing to return for the start of the season, something the 49ers may be more open to with Jalen Hurd (knee) on IR and Brandon Aiyuk (hamstring) sidelined. Samuel is nine weeks into the 10-12 week timetable given to him in June. He's trending toward being active Week 1.
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https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/1298705943824220160

 
Banger said:
Assume Deebo is healthy...where do you rank him in a PPR?  Devonte Parker range?
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Somewhere in the neighborhood of DK and F1 - 2nd year guys that ascended year one on more ground based attacks. But he's still only 10 weeks off a jones fracture. I don't like what I'm reading about his current level of activity.

 
If he seems on track to play wk1, I'd put him after Edelman/Landry/Boyd/Gallup, and before Marquise/Diontae/Marvin/Cooks/Fuller. If he was definitely fully healthy then I'd take him a round or 2 earlier than that.

 
Deebo Samuel (foot, active/NFI) was spotted “sprinting hard“ on a side field.

The Athletic’s Matt Barrows called it Samuel’s “most intense workout thus far with change-of-direction." Samuel is pushing to return for the start of the season, something the 49ers may be more open to with Jalen Hurd (knee) on IR and Brandon Aiyuk (hamstring) sidelined. Samuel is nine weeks into his 10-12 week timetable. He's trending toward being active Week 1.

SOURCE: Sacramento Bee

Aug 28, 2020, 5:02 PM ET
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The 49ers are "hopeful" Deebo Samuel (foot, NFI) will resume practicing next week. 

Samuel will be activated from the active/NFI list before Saturday's deadline, but his Week 1 status remains unclear. It is possible he will still require a 1-2 game absence after breaking his foot in June. Even were Samuel to get the green light for the opener, his reps will be rationed after missing out on months of conditioning. Samuel will begin the year as a WR4 who should quickly progress to every-week WR3 status. 

SOURCE: NFL.com 

Sep 3, 2020, 3:32 PM ET
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Stole him late 6 in a limited keeper league. More like late 7 with the keepers. So he misses or is limited for a game or 2, then he’s a high end 3. 

 
49ers activated Deebo Samuel (foot) off the NFI list.

This puts Samuel on track to return to practice. There's been optimism on Samuel's status for the start of the season, but he still has some hurdles to clear. Samuel figures to be on a snap count if he plays. He's looking like a Week 1 fade.

SOURCE: NBC Sports Bay Area

Sep 5, 2020, 2:22 PM ET
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