Good context. I’ve gathered you’re a 9ers fan and appreciate it. I def thought he was going to miss a lot more than just 3 games when they popped him on IR. Then the quote about week 4 being the target came out and made me feel a little better.
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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - on my birthday. I was too drunk to read the news that day. I was sitting in a kiddie pool with my puppy, drinking ice cold beer because it was hot as balls.
I like having JG as a backup to plug in during favorable weeks. Definitely good for QB by committee approach.
whole-show
Footballguy
Shanahan expects Deebo back at practice next week per David Lombardi
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
probably toxic at this point - you don't want a piece of a guy who has a bad foot in the current season.Maybe 2021 but not 2020 these things never heal never get better and it never works out for owners. As much as I like his skills and ability to put up good #'s, a foot injury is a fatal flaw
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I'm a Deebo owner and coming off of his injury I don't think he can even be mentioned with any of these guys above for the next 8 weeks or so.
Let's see!
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Well, Johnson is overhyped. Early season overreaction.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
How would you rank Deebo in PPR among this list of receivers once he is activated off of IR (asking for a friend)
Allen Robinson - Bears
Tyler Lockett - Seahawks
Terry McLaurin - Footballs
Marquise Brown - Ravens
Allen Robinson - Bears
Tyler Lockett - Seahawks
Terry McLaurin - Footballs
Marquise Brown - Ravens
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Easing him back? Week 5? Ugh. Probably best for Debo, but man the Niners need help at WR.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I feel like that's when garoppolo is targeting his return. No need to throw deebo out there when nick Mullens is piloting the offense.
In dynasty behind juju (as long as big Ben plays), Diggs, Golladay and ahead of the rest. Those four and deebo I can see ending up as a top 10 wr in one of the next three years.[icon] said:
In dynasty ahead of them all. But I'd have a hard time between him and McLaurin. Maybe Robinson if foles is any good at chi.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Counting rushing yards, 960/6 as a rookie in a middling pass offense + 229 yfs in 3 playoff games. Looks like a beast. He's absolutely right there with those WR2s in dynasty.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I'm high on deebo. Always have been. I saw him as a top 15 guy as soon as next year in ppr before the injury if his usage/skill continued to improve from year one to two.
The offense missed him in week one. There needs to be someone across from Kittle and Shanahan will give him the ball on a designed carry every so often which boosts his ceiling.
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themeistersinger
Footballguy
https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=13429
Working to get in 'game shape'
September 30, 2020
San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan said Wednesday he considers Samuel (foot) to be healthy, but the wide receiver's focus now is "getting in game shape," David Lombardi of The Athletic reports.
ANALYSIS
The 49ers opened a 21-day window Wednesday in which to activate Samuel from injured reserve. They'll use the next three days to get a sense of the "shape he's in, and if he can protect himself, he'll be out there," Shanahan told Cam Inman of The San Jose Mercury News. As a result, Samuel may be able to rejoin a receiving corps that's been banged up throughout the season in Sunday's game against the Eagles. At the moment, Kendrick Bourne, Brandon Aiyuk, Trent Taylor, Mohamed Sanu and Dante Pettis are the wide receivers available for the 49ers.
Working to get in 'game shape'
September 30, 2020
San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan said Wednesday he considers Samuel (foot) to be healthy, but the wide receiver's focus now is "getting in game shape," David Lombardi of The Athletic reports.
ANALYSIS
The 49ers opened a 21-day window Wednesday in which to activate Samuel from injured reserve. They'll use the next three days to get a sense of the "shape he's in, and if he can protect himself, he'll be out there," Shanahan told Cam Inman of The San Jose Mercury News. As a result, Samuel may be able to rejoin a receiving corps that's been banged up throughout the season in Sunday's game against the Eagles. At the moment, Kendrick Bourne, Brandon Aiyuk, Trent Taylor, Mohamed Sanu and Dante Pettis are the wide receivers available for the 49ers.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't think you are. I think other folks may be over valuing Samuel.
I am a huge fan of Samuel too. I just see too much overlap in skill set between him and Aiyuk and so I see them competing for touches in the offense. I have watched Samuel more than Aiyuk but I would have to give him the slight nod over Deebo because the 49ers invested more into him.
For the redraft question there was not a single WR in the list I wouldn't take over Samuel.
For the dynasty question I could see him over Robinson because of age. I had him ranked ahead of Brown and McClaurin and I still would rather have him than Brown. McClaurin had a great rookie season though and while close I prefer him over Samuel now.
Tyler Lockett the best player mentioned on both lists.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with having two players with a similar skill set if both are very good. Of course you will have sharing of touches, whether they are similar or not if both are good WRs. I expect them to be the top 2 WRs in SF and there is always room for that. Of course Kittle is their top receiving option and that won't change once he is healthy and that affects both Samual and Aiyuk. I believe there is room for all.
Kdpatronis15
Footballguy
Deebo and Aiyuk will make a hell of a combo out there. The niners will look dangerous once they get all there pieces back including Mostert/Kittle/Jimmy G. The second half of the season looks promising
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think its great for the 49ers but it may cause weeks where one is going off and the other isn't, and they are behind Kittle, and this is a run first team.
Makes it more of pain to try to project forward for me than if they were different skill sets in complimentary roles.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
To be honest, I'd rather have two players like Aiyuk and Samual than one of them and a one trick pony deep threat for my fantasy team.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
As would I and for what I am talking about, it would make it simpler for me to project their roles in the offense as well.
However the 49ers are doing it right in that they have two versatile WR who can win in a lot of different ways. That keeps the defense guessing more but makes it a pain for me to try to project for them. So I end up thinking I have to choose which of them is better. I think thats almost too close to call so I give the nod to Aiyuk because of the draft capital.
If the 49ers drafted a more specialized player then it would be easier for me to guess what their role was in the offense and to compare the two players by their different roles in the offense. I can't do that with these guys.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I realize these are not 1:1 comparisons to players/skills. But if Deebo and Aiyuk turn into Julio and Ridley then who cares...you have 1a and A1 to choose from.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I like Samuel as a potential top 10 WR the remainder of the season, but a foot injury never fully heals this quickly does it?
https://www.footcaremd.org/conditions-treatments/midfoot/jones-fracture
doesn't exactly inspire confidence. this has a lisfranc feel to it. I can't imagine he's anywhere near 100% this season.
it's going to take at least 3 weeks to get in football ready shape. he won't be a viable starter until Halloween IMO.
https://www.footcaremd.org/conditions-treatments/midfoot/jones-fracture
doesn't exactly inspire confidence. this has a lisfranc feel to it. I can't imagine he's anywhere near 100% this season.
it's going to take at least 3 weeks to get in football ready shape. he won't be a viable starter until Halloween IMO.
-jb-
Footballguy
That link says 8 weeks, and he is well beyond that. I agree with the "football shape" piece.
The parallels between Aiyuk's and Samuel's skillsets concern me too, mainly because I felt Deebo's value in a low-volume passing attack could be protected by him getting rushing touches sprinkled in to help with his weekly floor. If they treat Aiyuk as more of a conventional WR moving forward, and Deebo retains the kind of diverse role we saw last year, then I'll be relieved. It's obviously too early to say any which way. But these guys are potentially sharing an already small pie.
Maybe we're seeing Shanahan trying to build what his dad did with Rod Smith and Ed Mccaffery in the late 90s. I think Smith was more of a deep threat than McCaffrey, but I seem to recall them both being used similarly. Been a while though and I didn't watch as much football back then.
Anyone else old enough like me to remember those days?
Anyone else old enough like me to remember those days?
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Footballguy
I remember them, but don't view this as the same offense. Neither of those guys were used as rushers, and the Kyle playbook is way more complex than Skeletor's.Maybe we're seeing Shanahan trying to build what his dad did with Rod Smith and Ed Mccaffery in the late 90s. I think Smith was more of a deep threat than McCaffrey, but I seem to recall them both being used similarly. Been a while though and I didn't watch as much football back then.
Anyone else old enough like me to remember those days?
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I could see that. Also had a dominant TE with Sharpe. McCaffrey and Smith seemed interchangeable for sureMaybe we're seeing Shanahan trying to build what his dad did with Rod Smith and Ed Mccaffery in the late 90s. I think Smith was more of a deep threat than McCaffrey, but I seem to recall them both being used similarly. Been a while though and I didn't watch as much football back then.
Anyone else old enough like me to remember those days?
I took Deebo off waivers yesterday. Wondering if I took the right SF WR. Aiyuk is still available. For background I play in a non-PPR league and I don't need either right now. I mean a healthy Deebo would likley make my starting lineup most weeks but if it takes 2 weeks before you can start him I'm OK with that too.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Surprised a bit at the skepticism regarding Deebo...he was a WR1 second half of last year, a year they went to the SB with him as a major cog. Aiyuk has had one good game.
I’m sure they can co-exist.
I’m sure they can co-exist.
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Nick Wagoner
@nwagoner
Something to note for fantasy players: #49ers WR Deebo Samuel will be back Sunday night but team intends to ease him back in. "I know he’ll be out there but it won’t be his normal role, that’s for sure,” Kyle Shanahan said. Not a strict pitch count but also not a full workload.
https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1312137566167072768
@nwagoner
Something to note for fantasy players: #49ers WR Deebo Samuel will be back Sunday night but team intends to ease him back in. "I know he’ll be out there but it won’t be his normal role, that’s for sure,” Kyle Shanahan said. Not a strict pitch count but also not a full workload.
https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1312137566167072768
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Anyone else feeling like, “man, I wish they’d just rest him one more week if he’s not 100%”
because I’m feelin like that. Feeling like that a lot.
because I’m feelin like that. Feeling like that a lot.
-jb-
Footballguy
yep. if he's not full go, I likely won't play him (never say never given league-wide injuries). so if im likely not playing him, they shouldn't either. esp against the iggles
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I have Deebo in one league, and it is my biggest $$$. (its a start 3WRs league) I don't know how much I want to trust this situation just yet. The QB situation is bull####, and he is slowly going to be ramped up....which I think is smart, don't get me wrong.
BUT- I have Godwin there, and he is OUT likely for 2 games. (My 4 WRs there are Godwin, Metcalf, AJ Green and Deebo) Not turning this into a WDIS discussion, but these are the decisions owners are having to make this week with the "extra absences" due to virus concerns and widespread injuries.
I am at a point as to where I think I will roll Samuel out as my WR3 (and NOT drop a high end handcuff), just take the few points less one can expect vs a waiver wire hero and trot out Deebo.
Now, if I was a desperate owner in a "start 2 WR league" I gotta think I would be more inclined to sit Deebo for any viable alternative.
This year is starting to suck.
TZM
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, but given the nature of this injury, I’d much prefer the err on the side of extreme caution since this is a winnable game without him.
-jb-
Footballguy
Yep. My starters in a very short bench league (2 WR bench max), are Thomas (out), Ridley (Q, MNF), Hilton, Deebo. In order to pick up a WR to cover, I have to drop a RB. The injuries have been ####### brutal. #GFY2020
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