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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (1 Viewer)

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Deebo Samuel is "not expected to participate in any on-field work" during the 49ers' offseason program. 

Samuel is rightfully pushing for a big payday as he enters the final year of his rookie contract. There's (almost) no scenario in which the Niners don't ink Samuel -- an invaluable rusher and pass catcher for the 49ers over the past couple seasons -- to a long-term deal before the summer. Surely head coach Kyle Shanahan knows his offense doesn't work without Samuel's unique skillset. Last week, Samuel scrubbed his social media accounts of any mention of the 49ers -- an increasingly common public-facing maneuver for players pushing for new deals. Samuel's 2022 cap number is $4.89 million, about the same as Broncos WR Tim Patrick and Jaguars WR Zay Jones. Expect that to be corrected in the coming weeks. 

SOURCE: ESPN.com 

Apr 18, 2022, 10:16 AM ET
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ESPN's Adam Schefter said Deebo Samuel "wants to move on" from the 49ers.

Schefter would go on to say the 49ers want to get a deal done but Samuel "has put a halt to everything for right now." Samuel pulled the 49ers' logo from his social media pages and is skipping San Francisco's voluntary offseason program. Entering the final year of his rookie deal, the star wideout and prolific part-time running back is looking to be the next player at his position to get a massive payday. Coming off a campaign that featured 1,770 yards from scrimmage and 14 scores, it's easy to see why he wants a new contract. Though Samuel may be disgruntled with his situation at the moment, the most likely outcome remains him suiting up for the 49ers in 2022. 

SOURCE: Akash Anavarathan on Twitter

Apr 19, 2022, 6:57 PM ET
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Bobby Thompson@BThomps81

Deebo Samuel has made his stance known. He is frustrated with the #49ers and it seems he wants to play elsewhere. Keep an eye out for this. The Draft is nine days away, teams have already shown interest in trading for him.

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I'm purely speculating but I think he may be thinking about how being used as a RB is going to shorten his career and would rather play some place they use him purely as a WR. He's been a strong "sell" imo his offseason - a large part of his fantasy appeal is the added rushing stats/TDs.

 
This won't mean anything and we'll never know but I can't help but wonder if he's made available would Mike McDaniels have preferred Deebo over Hill?

 
I personally believe players should have to honor their contract they signed or not play.  Just because they have a good year isn't cause for tearing up a contract and get a new one or cry and take their ball home.   I know this goes against the grain, but that is how I feel.  It causes a lot of harm to teams trying to manage their cap and still compete.

 
menobrown said:
This won't mean anything and we'll never know but I can't help but wonder if he's made available would Mike McDaniels have preferred Deebo over Hill?
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With Waddle there, Deebo would make more sense for the offense - but obviously Hill should help the whole offense rise like he did in KC.

 
JohnnyU said:
I personally believe players should have to honor their contract they signed or not play.  Just because they have a good year isn't cause for tearing up a contract and get a new one or cry and take their ball home.   I know this goes against the grain, but that is how I feel.  It causes a lot of harm to teams trying to manage their cap and still compete.
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Should the owners also have to honor the contracts as well - because until they do, I side with the players using whatever leverage they have to get paid. These guys have such short careers.

ETA - most of the time they don't "tear up" the original contracts - they just get an extension for their future years.

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
I'm purely speculating but I think he may be thinking about how being used as a RB is going to shorten his career and would rather play some place they use him purely as a WR.
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I speculated on the same thing but was thinking more along the lines of he likes getting the ball, even if it's as a RB, but understanding the longevity of that he wants a Tyreek type contract and like Veruca Salt he want's it now. I got to thinking something went sour with the initial negotiations, possibly even some talk of franchising him if need be next year, and he's either insulted and/or has zero interest playing out this year with tag hanging over his head next year.

Dr. Octopus said:
He's been a strong "sell" imo his offseason - a large part of his fantasy appeal is the added rushing stats/TDs.
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This part I would not agree with and as an owner of his I did NOT like the increased rushing because it seemed to come at the expense of receiving. In PPR that makes a big difference.

Weeks 1-9 he was barely used as a runner and was the #2 fantasy WR. He was still good when his rushing increased but to my recollection was far more TD dependent.

Now if he did return to SF next year he might need more rushing for fantasy success with a guy like Lance but all in all I welcome a trade of him if it means he'll be used more as a traditional receiver then how he was used the second half of the year when he only had one game with more then 4 catches.

So for me I had him as a major sell all off-season but would no longer feel that way depending on the spot he lands.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Should the owners also have to honor the contracts as well - because until they do, I side with the players using whatever leverage they have to get paid. These guys have such short careers.
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I agree, it's a two way street, but as far as I know they owners do honor their contract.  Perhaps more guaranteed money and changing how the cap works.  Just because he's on the last year of his rookie deal and had a good year, doesn't mean he should be able to demand anything until that contract is complete.  If everyone who had a good year does this, it throws the league into chaos as far as the cap and player salaries go.  It makes it harder for teams to compete if they are shelling out a hundred million dollar deal.  Money they could be using to plug other holes.

 
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JohnnyU said:
I agree, it's a two way street, but as far as I know they owners do honor their contract.  Perhaps more guaranteed money and changing how the cap works.
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They do? You haven't seen a player released while still under contract or forced into taking a pay cut? It happens hundreds of times each offseason.

 
JohnnyU said:
I personally believe players should have to honor their contract they signed or not play
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I share this belief on second + contracts but not on rookie contracts. Those are not really agreed upon contracts, they are just slotted based on where they are drafted. And with things in place like franchise tags you can hold some of these players so long their age starts working against them when they finally hit UFA.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
They do? You haven't seen a player released while still under contract or forced into taking a pay cut? It happens hundreds of times each offseason.
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Wasn't the right to cut negotiated in the collective bargaining agreement?  I must admit i don't know the particulars of the player's union agreement.  Aren't teams stuck with the cap hit in most cases?

 
menobrown said:
I share this belief on second + contracts but not on rookie contracts. Those are not really agreed upon contracts, they are just slotted based on where they are drafted. And with things in place like franchise tags you can hold some of these players so long their age starts working against them when they finally hit UFA.
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If that is the case, then the player's union needs to work with the owners to change how rookie contracts work.

 
JohnnyU said:
If that is the case, then the player's union needs to work with the owners to change how rookie contracts work.
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Get real man. If you are a player with millions on the line you are not waiting for your union to help you when you can take things into your own hands.

 
menobrown said:
Get real man. If you are a player with millions on the line you are not waiting for your union to help you when you can take things into your own hands.
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I agree for now, but the overall process needs to work better for both sides and that is done through the players union and the agreements they make with the owners.

 
[Rapoport] Money is not at the root of the issues for Deebo Samuel, otherwise that could be fixed with a big offer. But there are also issues with how he’s used.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1516821230078382082?t=IikXbT_Iws9Cvt2GR1Osxg&s=19

[Rapoport] The #49ers have been looking to make offers for a long-term deal with WR Deebo Samuel, but he’s been unwilling to engage. This is why. Unclear where this goes from here. But Samuel wanting out is the latest in big-name WR drama.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1516820941174673416?s=20&t=rKjIyMaF-R-mDpMle7u41Q

 
Apparently it’s hip for star WRs to want to play for different teams now?
 

Bummed as he was a joy to watch play. Hopefully we get a good return for him. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Well this is not a slam on Deebo, but Hill is >>> Deebo. I do think they may offer the same or similar package that they offered for Hill maybe.
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Right now? Sure. But Hill's game is based on speed, and we've all seen how speedy WRs age. 

Like I said, Deebo offers a significantly different skill set - big, strong, can play at all levels of the field, and isn't as likely to fall off in the next few years. I think he'd be a great fit on the Jets. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If this deal goes down, the good Doctor will be buying. Deebo Jets jersey the next day. ;)  
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I'm not saying I wouldn't want him - I'm saying it's unlikely Douglas gives pick 10. I would be ok with a similar offer that was accepted for Hill - but I would be less happy about the huge contract that will come with him.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I'm not saying I wouldn't want him - I'm saying it's unlikely Douglas gives pick 10. I would be ok with a similar offer that was accepted for Hill - but I would be less happy about the huge contract that will come with him.
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I do think Deebo is a special talent, and the Jets need playmakers. It would be potentially bad news for Carter, as I’m reasonably sure the Jets would also run Deebo a fair amount. Hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

At the same time, they need an EDGE rusher at 1.04, and I could see them taking an OL at 10.

But I could definitely see them making that trade, too.

 
Grahamburn said:
Right, but any team trading for him would/should want to use him the same way. No? 
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GB for example with Jones/Dillon wouldn't run him nearly as much as the 49ers did.  He'd get some carries for sure but doubt he'd get anywhere close to 60.  

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Well this is not a slam on Deebo, but Hill is >>> Deebo. I do think they may offer the same or similar package that they offered for Hill maybe.
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I think Deebo>Hill. He's younger and offers more RAC. Maybe its a minority opinion, but I think Hill is gonna miss Mahomes/Reid more than they miss him. Deebo made it happen with Jimmy G, its possible/likely that Zach Wilson(or whomever) will be better than that. 

If Deebo does get traded, probably for 2 2nds and maybe an extra 2nd in 2023 if its NYJ, I think George Kittle would be the big winner, and in play as TE1. 

I highly doubt Deebo gets dealt (though I guess I thought that about Adams too) but I think an interesting team/fit that hasn't been brought up, is NO, who are no stranger to bold moves (and finding ways to afford them) A Kamara/Deebo/Thomas offense would be terrifying with almost any QB. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
I agree for now, but the overall process needs to work better for both sides and that is done through the players union and the agreements they make with the owners.
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if the players want more guaranteed money at teh lower end of th pay scale, they need to negotiate for it in the CBA.

but this will require sacrifice and missed paychecks to force the owners to concede on these terms.

so its back to whining about the unfairness of their contracts, which is compliant with the CBA they agreed to 

 
I thought I saw a week or two ago that Deebo wanted to be the highest paid non-QB in the league. A team will have to give up picks / assets and then tear up his contract to pay him like a QB. He hasn't exactly been the most durable player so far. Acquiring him looks like a risky proposition.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Somehow I am not surprised. You love contrarian views. You're probably a party of one on this one.  :D
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I doubt its quite a party of one, but I'm sure its a minority opinion. I think its just I've always felt Hill was overrated. I'd take Adams over either of them. 

Anarchy99 said:
I thought I saw a week or two ago that Deebo wanted to be the highest paid non-QB in the league. A team will have to give up picks / assets and then tear up his contract to pay him like a QB. He hasn't exactly been the most durable player so far. Acquiring him looks like a risky proposition.
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I mean, its the right time to try if that's his plan, but yeah, its asking a lot for a guy who has missed almost 25% of his possible games. 

 
The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports the 49ers have "zero intention" of trading Deebo Samuel.

The same sentiment was later reported by Josina Anderson. With Samuel previously playing under Jets OC Mike LaFleur and New York desperate for another wide receiver, it would be the perfect landing spot for San Francisco's disgruntled receiver. For now, they will have to wait on acquiring Samuel as all signs point to the 49ers attempting to work something out with him. If San Francisco can't convince him to return over the next few days, they may cave to a massive offer for Samuel on the eve of the draft, which starts next Thursday. The Jets reportedly made an offer that included the No. 35 and 38 picks for Tyreek Hill before he was traded to Miami. A similar deal would be required for them to land Samuel.

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SOURCE: Connor Hughes on Twitter

Apr 20, 2022, 3:30 PM ET
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travdogg said:
its asking a lot for a guy who has missed almost 25% of his possible games. 
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He still produced.

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Warren Sharp@SharpFootball

Deebo Samuel's ranks in 2021:

  • 54th in routes run
  • 26th in targets
but...

⭐5th in receiving yards⭐

how do the 49ers surround Deebo with 52 other players good enough to win a Super Bowl?

@LordReebs & @DanPizzuta analyze their roster to find holes:

What Are The San Francisco 49ers’ Team Needs In The 2022 NFL Draft?

 
Jets have been seemingly desperately wanting to land a big name receiver. My gut is telling they get something done with Deebo. You have the Saleh connection there and the draft pieces to make it happen. When you have a young QB it is imperative to surround him with talent. I wouldn’t want to be the team that pays Deebo a record-like contract but somebody will end up doing it.

 
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