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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (2 Viewers)

Someone can check the math (since I could be wrong) but the Jets offer for Deebo was worth more than what Miami gave up for Hill and Hill is a much better player. Not sure how it can be categorized as a weak or terrible offer. 
 

Jets offer - 1300 + 33 = 1333

Miami offer - 640 + 400 + 52 + 112 (max but could be lower) + 28 (max but could be lower) = 1232

 
Witz said:
Someone can check the math (since I could be wrong) but the Jets offer for Deebo was worth more than what Miami gave up for Hill and Hill is a much better player. Not sure how it can be categorized as a weak or terrible offer. 
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First, I don't think Hill is a much better player than Deebo. Hill is fast, and that's about it. 

Second, its a weak offer because SF said it'd take a kings ransom for them to even consider a trade, and the Jets' offer wasn't even close to that.

 
Wingnut said:
First, I don't think Hill is a much better player than Deebo. Hill is fast, and that's about it. 
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You’d be in the minority on the first statement - but it’s defensible I guess.

Your last statement isn’t accurate. Hill is a very complete WR and is strong as hell for his size.

 
Wingnut said:
First, I don't think Hill is a much better player than Deebo. Hill is fast, and that's about it. 

Second, its a weak offer because SF said it'd take a kings ransom for them to even consider a trade, and the Jets' offer wasn't even close to that.
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Most would disagree with you but that’s the great thing about things like this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Just because SF wanted a kings ransom doesn’t mean if the offer doesn’t meet those lofty demands it’s a weak offer. Based on that logic if SF said they’d only take 4 1sts for him and the Jets offered 2 1sts it’d be a weak offer. Just not true. 

 
Wingnut said:
We will see how good Hill is without Mahomes. Will be interesting.
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That’s not the same thing - of course he’ll be worse without Mahomes, but Mahomes will likely suffer as well.

Imo Tua is not a good QB so I expect Hill’s numbers to drop but Hill is one of the best WRs in the league and while he’s elite level fast, his game is so much more than just running deep routes.

 
Well I'm glad they didn't trade him, I think they eventually work it out and he stays in SF for a long time

 
Wingnut said:
Well I'm glad they didn't trade him, I think they eventually work it out and he stays in SF for a long time
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I do as well and said so earlier in here or maybe in the SF thread. The team really holds the cards and it’s the best place for Samuel.

 
What the 49ers expected for Samuel, if the rumors are true, is just too much for an oft-injured guy who doesn't run the crispest routes and whose biggest draw was the sticking point between him and management. 

You'll find Jets fans that definitely would have wanted him and would have paid the price that SF wanted. I'm not among them. 

Hill is a better receiver, IMO. Deebo is a better running back than Hill, but that's where I personally think it ends. Deebo is certainly younger, though. 

 
All I said was I don't think Hill is a "much better player" than Deebo. He's just not. He may be a better receiver as far as route running, but hes not a better player IMO.

Last year's numbers:

Deebo 1405 rec yds, 365 rush yds, 14 total TDs, Jimmy G at QB

Hill 1239 rec yds, 96 rush yds, 9 total TDs, Mahomes at QB

:shrug:

 
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Wingnut said:
All I said was I don't think Hill is a "much better player" than Deebo. He's just not. He may be a better receiver as far as route running, but hes not a better player IMO.

Last year's numbers:

Deebo 1405 rec yds, 365 rush yds, 14 total TDs, Jimmy G at QB

Hill 1239 rec yds, 96 rush yds, 9 total TDs, Mahomes at QB

:shrug:
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Good argument there, but you also said "Hill is fast, and that's about it." That does a huge disservice to Hill IMO who is far more than "just fast." 

 
Wingnut said:
All I said was I don't think Hill is a "much better player" than Deebo. He's just not. He may be a better receiver as far as route running, but hes not a better player IMO.

Last year's numbers:

Deebo 1405 rec yds, 365 rush yds, 14 total TDs, Jimmy G at QB

Hill 1239 rec yds, 96 rush yds, 9 total TDs, Mahomes at QB

:shrug:
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8 of his 14 TDs were rushing TDs and he has said he doesn’t want to do that any longer thereby reducing a huge part of his attractiveness and ability to be a ‘better’ player (and it was one year - let’s see him do it more then once before we start with the comparisons).

One stat you didn’t include was number of receptions last year - Hill had 111 (regular season) compared to Deebo’s 77 (regular season). They’re WRs - their job is to catch balls which Hill did by a substantial amount.  

Sorry he isn’t worth as much as you think he is. It’s ok though - he’s a good player but not worthy of the haul you and SF think he is worth (and it seems like the rest of the NFL agrees with that sentiment as well). 

Just sit back and enjoy his play next year and be glad he’s on your team. He’s a good player and a team would be happy to have him. 

 
Witz said:
8 of his 14 TDs were rushing TDs and he has said he doesn’t want to do that any longer thereby reducing a huge part of his attractiveness and ability to be a ‘better’ player (and it was one year - let’s see him do it more then once before we start with the comparisons).

One stat you didn’t include was number of receptions last year - Hill had 111 (regular season) compared to Deebo’s 77 (regular season). They’re WRs - their job is to catch balls which Hill did by a substantial amount.  

Sorry he isn’t worth as much as you think he is. It’s ok though - he’s a good player but not worthy of the haul you and SF think he is worth (and it seems like the rest of the NFL agrees with that sentiment as well). 
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Show me where Deebo has said he doesn't want to be used as a RB or wideback. That narrative is made up by writers. Hes never said a word about why he asked for a trade.

I didn't see the point of including number of receptions between a run first team with a noodle arm QB, and a pass happy team with an elite QB.  Deebo was targeted 121 times by a mediocre QB. Hill was targeted 159 times by a very accurate QB. 

Put Hill on last year's 49er team and his numbers wouldn't be near what they were in KC. We will all see how good he is when he doesn't have an MVP QB.

 
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I think the pick of Tyrion Davis-Price in the 3rd is connected to the Deebo issue. If one of the main issues is Deebo's usage as a RB (despite his effectiveness in that role, NFC championship aside), then adding to the RB room makes sense so that they can say to him that he won't be used as he was last year when they had all those RB injuries that forced Shanahan to put him in the backfield.

 
Wingnut said:
Show me where Deebo has said he doesn't want to be used as a RB or wideback. That narrative is made up by writers. Hes never said a word about why he asked for a trade.
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This should be amplified. 

Deebo hasn't said a word. 

But people sure have put words in his mouth. He's whiny, he's greedy, he wants a new deal, he doesn't wanna run the ball anymore. 

People repeating the guesses of internet strangers, and then there's a dogpile on Deebo, who hasn't said a word. 

It's weird

 
massraider said:
This should be amplified. 

Deebo hasn't said a word. 

But people sure have put words in his mouth. He's whiny, he's greedy, he wants a new deal, he doesn't wanna run the ball anymore. 

People repeating the guesses of internet strangers, and then there's a dogpile on Deebo, who hasn't said a word. 

It's weird
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I agree with this. It is weird. 

I also think it would be better if Deebo would actually say something.

As a 49er fan and a Deebo fan I would love to see reconciliation here. It’s frustrating to see this go down.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that they can work things out. He wants to get paid. They want to pay him. Surely there must be a way. 

 
massraider said:
This should be amplified. 

Deebo hasn't said a word. 

But people sure have put words in his mouth. He's whiny, he's greedy, he wants a new deal, he doesn't wanna run the ball anymore. 

People repeating the guesses of internet strangers, and then there's a dogpile on Deebo, who hasn't said a word. 

It's weird
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:goodposting:

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I agree with this. It is weird. 

I also think it would be better if Deebo would actually say something.

As a 49er fan and a Deebo fan I would love to see reconciliation here. It’s frustrating to see this go down.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that they can work things out. He wants to get paid. They want to pay him. Surely there must be a way. 
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If he comes out and says, "you know I just prefer seafood on the east coast, can't get a decent lobster roll out here"

I would buy a Deebo jersey

 
massraider said:
If he comes out and says, "you know I just prefer seafood on the east coast, can't get a decent lobster roll out here"

I would buy a Deebo jersey
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"Disney in California really just doesn't compare to Disney in Florida"

"There's no Wawa out here.   Not even a Sheets!"

"Do you know how long it's been since I've had some Timbits?  Too damn long, and I demand a trade north!"

 
Deebo has started following the 49ers in Instagram again. 

Hopefully he can regain the trust of the fans who were upset with whom he chose to follow on social media. 

 
wgoldsph said:
After he made such a huge public stink about it?  Such a cry for attention
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He's attending but not dressed or practicing with the team. Basically he's just there so he wont get fined, but hes not participating.

The drama ain't done yet.

 
Can't help but get the feeling he's going to have a very "chip on his shoulder" type season. Obviously small sample size, but Deebo had at least 1 TD in all 3 games Lance played in last year. 

 
travdogg said:
Can't help but get the feeling he's going to have a very "chip on his shoulder" type season. Obviously small sample size, but Deebo had at least 1 TD in all 3 games Lance played in last year. 
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Seems like the kind of guy that can use the chip on his shoulder for good too...

 
travdogg said:
Can't help but get the feeling he's going to have a very "chip on his shoulder" type season. Obviously small sample size, but Deebo had at least 1 TD in all 3 games Lance played in last year. 
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Biggest challenge for new situation is Lance’s accuracy, or lack thereof. When Lance started, Deebo had:

week 5 - 9 targets, 3 rec, 58 yds

week 16 - 6 targets, 3 rec, 63 yds

i love me some Deebo, but he’ll bust big time at ADP if Lance hasn’t improved his accuracy significantly. 

 
-jb- said:
Biggest challenge for new situation is Lance’s accuracy, or lack thereof. When Lance started, Deebo had:

week 5 - 9 targets, 3 rec, 58 yds

week 16 - 6 targets, 3 rec, 63 yds

i love me some Deebo, but he’ll bust big time at ADP if Lance hasn’t improved his accuracy significantly. 
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Deebo had 4-107-2 in 1 half with Trey Lance against Seattle too.  So Deebo (not counting rushing) had 49 PPR points in 10 quarters with Lance. Super small sample size, but that would have been WR1 (ahead of Kupp) without Deebo having a single rushing attempt. 

Deebo (and likely Kittle as well) are much better big play weapons then they've been used as. Lance's arm should balance out his lesser accuracy. Jimmy G may have been the worst starting QB in the NFL at throwing downfield. Seriously, the entire NFL. He had 2 completions all year that travelled over 30 yards. Lance had twice that in 10 quarters. 

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I can't help but see Lance as an upgrade for everyone on this offense, even if/when he makes some mistakes. Truth be told, the 49ers probably win 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls with a QB who at least threatens defenses. Jimmy G very much held this team (and offense) back. 

I understand being nervous about Deebo (or any high-end WR) with a new QB, but I think Deebo's ceiling just went up a lot, though I will admit his floor is probably lower. Its still hard for me to not see Deebo as a top-10 WR as long as he stays reasonably healthy, and his ceiling is fantasy MVP. 

The only real negative I could see, is that Lance develops a strong rapport with Kittle, and Kittle ends up being the beneficiary of these newfound deep balls. As a Kittle dynasty owner, I can recount dozens of times the last few seasons, where Kittle was wide open up the seam and had to wait for the ball, and make a contested catch (or not) instead of having 40+ yard TDs. Kittle only played 1 game with Lance last year, and only had 1 catch for 29 yards though, so anything there is pure projection. 

 
-jb- said:
Biggest challenge for new situation is Lance’s accuracy, or lack thereof. When Lance started, Deebo had:

week 5 - 9 targets, 3 rec, 58 yds

week 16 - 6 targets, 3 rec, 63 yds

i love me some Deebo, but he’ll bust big time at ADP if Lance hasn’t improved his accuracy significantly. 
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Reportedly Lance has improved significantly. 

Deebo should be just fine. 

 
Deebo Samuel is not practicing at the start of training camp.

Instead, he is doing conditioning drills off to the side of the practice field. That routine is usually reserved for injured players, but Samuel is almost certainly just "holding in" as he angles for a new contract. GM John Lynch expressed some optimism about that deal on Tuesday. 
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https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/159345-latest-49ers-deebo-samuels-contract-situation/

Early last week, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported that a deal wasn't imminent between the two sides.

Over the weekend, Marco Martinez of the 49ers RedZone Podcast shared that he heard San Francisco had set a soft deadline of Saturday for a Samuel extension, but expected the 49ers to continue negotiations throughout the week if an agreement wasn't reached.

Moreover, Pelissero confirmed the report, sharing earlier this week that the two sides have continued negotiations, expressing more optimism ahead of training camp.

While the 49ers haven't reached an agreement yet, head coach Kyle Shanahan isn't worried about an extension, and believes that Samuel will be in San Francisco for years to come.

Samuel is essentially beginning his "hold-in", as Marco Martinez and I predicted Saturday, which likely continue until the two sides reach an agreement on a long-term extension.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
About 80 yards and a TD of that was a flukey play where Deebo was left completely wide open on the sidelines and ran about 50 yards untouched into the endzone.
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Yup. Went and looked at that this morning. That said, I certainly appreciate @travdogg’s take above. It all definitely hinges on Lance’s improvement (or not) in accuracy. We won’t know until we know. The most salient thing trav said was higher ceiling, lower floor. That’s Deebo22 in a nutshell. 

 
The #49ers and star WR Deebo Samuel have reached agreement on a 3-year extension worth up to $73.5M with $58.1M in guarantees, as

@RapSheet

said. The drama is over. He's staying in SF.

 
massraider said:
The #49ers and star WR Deebo Samuel have reached agreement on a 3-year extension worth up to $73.5M with $58.1M in guarantees, as

@RapSheet

said. The drama is over. He's staying in SF.
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With that much guaranteed money, I think he'll be a lot more open to being in the backfield than he talked about this summer. 

Pretty fair deal in my opinion. Allows for another potential big payday down the line and isn't out of line with where he stacks up among NFL WR's.

 
I would have liked it to be a 5 year deal, but this will do, he will be a 49er thru 2025.

:clap:

 
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