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WR DeSean Jackson (2 Viewers)
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Completely agree. He was a whiny diva that would enjoy a big deal made out of him. A 2 sentence release is perfect.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I posted these links in the context of the allegations the Eagles may have fabricated the gang stories. This was an article that also alludes to Jackson's gang connections. Its from a media market 3000 miles from Philly. It was the Bay Area media that posted that story and headline on their site. Media that as far as I know has no vendetta against Jackson.
Two markets now, separated by 3000 miles, have posted stories that Jackson has gang ties. Is it concrete evidence? I don't think so. But it seems its more than just the Eagles that have suspicions. Should the NFLPA investigate the origins of this story too? Is CSN Bay Area tarnishing Jackson's reputation as well?
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GoBirds
Footballguy
It's ridiculous they are investigating this. The idiot was flashing gang signs on Instagram while hanging out with members of the gang.....no one's making up things that are false to make him look bad. He did this to himself. Any employer has the right to make that decision.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Actually I think on page 1 of the "Eagles cut Jackson" thread there is an actual, named, real LAPD investigator/inspector named.
I have no earthly idea why this wouldn't be enough for any reasonable person to assume he's affiliated. "Beyond a reasonable doubt proof"? maybe not- but that's hardly the standard necessary here. It's the reasonable, and most likely answer, and is more than enough for any employer to release an employee.
It's ok to believe the Eagles should have kept him anyway, but it's beyond absurd to demand more proof of gang affiliation than this.
False Start
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of DeSean Jackson off the field, he is an idiot and a disrespectful tool. People who hang with them members because of old roots are not always in the gang and if you are not throwing up signs when you are with them in a picture part of it or not, you will have some problems. Not my lifestyle and can see people who look down on Jackson for having friends in a gang, but does not mean he is in the gang.
Hernandez has everyone on high alert, but I bet you will be surprised and gang ties players have, what about Marshawn Lynch and his boys in Oakland? Watched an E:60 about him, dude still has friends in gangs. Hernandez is the exception not the norm for the players who have gang friends. I do not have proof of this but my assumption is more players than you think are involved in some way with some people who are involved with bad things.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
I'm not familiar with gang etiquette in pictures and I think your right that Jackson and Hernandez definitely aren't the only 2 with these connections but mostly think it's ridiculous that people are whining about the Eagles needed to hold a press conference or that they leaked this bad info to make him look bad. He wasnt only putting it online he flashed gang signs in a game! Against the Skins!
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Guys, he's wearing glasses in an interview. And a tie! Not a gang member.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
yes, nice anonymous quotes after the fact.
Desean definitely did not have many friends on the team, but I do not see how he prevented them from winning.
cstu
Footballguy
Anonymous or not, there haven't been any reports of him being missed.
Here's the full quote:
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
That's false on the missing part. McCoy said he would be missed and he was a major weapon for the team. He said he is the best deep threat the game has and the front office must have some kind of plan to let a player like that go.
fatness
Footballguy
There is. I posted the link above. Here it is again. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/LAPD-says-DeSean-Jackson-had-no-involvement-in-gangrelated-murders.html
fatness
Footballguy
Lots of courageous anonymous sources on this one, lol.
Reminds me of all the stories Mike Shanahan planted near the end of last season trying to trash Robert Griffin and others, and make himself look good in the process. The stories were all sourced anonymously. Everybody knew where they came from --- Shanahan.
It's pretty easy to see where these anonymously-sourced stories come from also --- the team whose coach cut Jackson by phone without telling him why.
Reminds me of all the stories Mike Shanahan planted near the end of last season trying to trash Robert Griffin and others, and make himself look good in the process. The stories were all sourced anonymously. Everybody knew where they came from --- Shanahan.
It's pretty easy to see where these anonymously-sourced stories come from also --- the team whose coach cut Jackson by phone without telling him why.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Always a conspiracy against the Skins and their new found free agency gems. He really won you over with his nerdy outfit he wore in the interview I guess, such a victim. I'm sure he has no idea why he was cut....that damn coach haha.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
We still talking about this? He was cut because of his cap hit and because he didn't get along with Kelly. The gang stuff is not even remotely important here.
False Start
Footballguy
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Jason Kelce on Jackson:
Mike Vick on Jackson:
Yes, I would love for the sources to be named, but I think it's naïve to believe that the content of that story isn't correct.
False Start
Footballguy
While there is truth to everything, I would think it is naive to believe that a lot of this isn't blown out of proportion and exaggerated because Kelly didn't like him. Its also naive to think that the Eagles didn't plant some of this stuff on purpose. Just a coincidence huh?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Five Things DeSean Jackson and Steven A. Smith Got Wrong
In what was billed as an interview to "clear the air," former Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson sat down with ESPN's Stephen A. Smith on Friday for a wide-ranging discussion.
Jackson addressed an NJ.com story in whichpolice connected him to gang members allegedly involved in two Los Angeles homicides. He talked about reports that he has missed meetings, and he discussed his relationship with Eagles head coach Chip Kelly.
But in that 30-minute interview, Jackson and Smith mischaracterized the NJ.com story several times. Here's what they got wrong:
Smith said the NJ.com report stated that Jackson is in a gang.
In the story, Los Angeles police said there was no evidence Jackson was in a gang, but that they believed he was associated with reputed gang members, and police were troubled that Jackson was flashing gang signs on social media and in NFL games. (When the story was published, the NFL said it would look into whether Jackson was flashing gang signs, which would be grounds for discipline.)
LAPD Detective Eric Crosson said in the story: "You don't want to see anybody throwing up gang signs like he did in the Redskins game last year. Those were neighborhood Crip gang signs and he flashed them during a game. He may not be affiliated with the gang, but they don't [ordinarily] take kindly to those not in the gang throwing up those gang signs."
During the interview, Smith said, "You are not associated, or do not hang out, with any gang members."
Jackson, however, admitted during the interview that he associates with gang members, just not when they're doing "negative things." Jackson tried to make the distinction of hanging out with gang members as individuals while not being affiliated with their gangs.
"Do I know friends that are out there involved (in gang activities)? Yes," Jackson told ESPN on Friday. "I try to stay away from them. ... I'm definitely aware and know certain gang members, but as far as me being affiliated and me being a gang member, never not have once been. Never have had any affiliation with going out and doing things that are against the law."
Later, when addressing the gang signs, he said, "... if you see signs or if you see me in pictures with affiliated gang members or whatever the case may be, that sign I am throwing up is to connect me with me and my boys," he said.
Smith implied the story about Jackson's alleged gang ties was leaked by the Eagles to NJ.com.
The conspiracy theories surrounding the story are comical. NJ.com uncovered Jackson's ties to alleged gang members through its own reporting. The Eagles played no part in NJ.com's investigation. When asked about Jackson's alleged gang ties, team officials said they were unaware of the ties and would not comment.
The NFLPA says it will look into whether the Eagles engaged in a smear campaign. When a union official contacted NJ.com sports director Kevin Manahan, the official was told the Eagles provided no information on Jackson's alleged gang ties.
During the ESPN interview, Jackson said he knew about the story a few days before its publication -- because NJ.com reached out to his representatives for comment and to speak with Jackson. But Jackson was not made available, and his publicist's sole comment was to deny Jackson was in a gang, an accusation the story never made.
DeSean Jackson said he has missed "one meeting" in his career
According to what's already been reported, that's likely not true. Jackson was suspended for missing a meeting in 2011, and skipped an exit interview with Kelly at the end of this past season. That's two.
In addition, an Eagles source told NJ.com two weeks ago that Jackson missed multiple meetings last season.
CBS Sports reported Friday that Jackson hasn't been a model employee.
Jackson said he distanced himself from Theron Shakir, his friend and a rapper who performed for Jackson's music label, while Shakir was on trial for murder.
"Through the process, and the time where (Theron Shakir) was in jail, I kind of had to almost step back," Jackson said during the ESPN interview. "Because I'm a professional athlete. I know the ties of being around, or being seen, or making calls, or doing all that stuff that could easily make me be apart of it," Jackson said.
Jackson's instagram account, however, told a different story. Jackson posted a picture of Shakir during the trial, pleading for his release.
After the NJ.com story was published, Jackson deleted all photos of Shakir and him from his account, as well as other photos shown in the NJ.com reporting.
In what was billed as an interview to "clear the air," former Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson sat down with ESPN's Stephen A. Smith on Friday for a wide-ranging discussion.
Jackson addressed an NJ.com story in whichpolice connected him to gang members allegedly involved in two Los Angeles homicides. He talked about reports that he has missed meetings, and he discussed his relationship with Eagles head coach Chip Kelly.
But in that 30-minute interview, Jackson and Smith mischaracterized the NJ.com story several times. Here's what they got wrong:
Smith said the NJ.com report stated that Jackson is in a gang.
In the story, Los Angeles police said there was no evidence Jackson was in a gang, but that they believed he was associated with reputed gang members, and police were troubled that Jackson was flashing gang signs on social media and in NFL games. (When the story was published, the NFL said it would look into whether Jackson was flashing gang signs, which would be grounds for discipline.)
LAPD Detective Eric Crosson said in the story: "You don't want to see anybody throwing up gang signs like he did in the Redskins game last year. Those were neighborhood Crip gang signs and he flashed them during a game. He may not be affiliated with the gang, but they don't [ordinarily] take kindly to those not in the gang throwing up those gang signs."
During the interview, Smith said, "You are not associated, or do not hang out, with any gang members."
Jackson, however, admitted during the interview that he associates with gang members, just not when they're doing "negative things." Jackson tried to make the distinction of hanging out with gang members as individuals while not being affiliated with their gangs.
"Do I know friends that are out there involved (in gang activities)? Yes," Jackson told ESPN on Friday. "I try to stay away from them. ... I'm definitely aware and know certain gang members, but as far as me being affiliated and me being a gang member, never not have once been. Never have had any affiliation with going out and doing things that are against the law."
Later, when addressing the gang signs, he said, "... if you see signs or if you see me in pictures with affiliated gang members or whatever the case may be, that sign I am throwing up is to connect me with me and my boys," he said.
Smith implied the story about Jackson's alleged gang ties was leaked by the Eagles to NJ.com.
The conspiracy theories surrounding the story are comical. NJ.com uncovered Jackson's ties to alleged gang members through its own reporting. The Eagles played no part in NJ.com's investigation. When asked about Jackson's alleged gang ties, team officials said they were unaware of the ties and would not comment.
The NFLPA says it will look into whether the Eagles engaged in a smear campaign. When a union official contacted NJ.com sports director Kevin Manahan, the official was told the Eagles provided no information on Jackson's alleged gang ties.
During the ESPN interview, Jackson said he knew about the story a few days before its publication -- because NJ.com reached out to his representatives for comment and to speak with Jackson. But Jackson was not made available, and his publicist's sole comment was to deny Jackson was in a gang, an accusation the story never made.
DeSean Jackson said he has missed "one meeting" in his career
According to what's already been reported, that's likely not true. Jackson was suspended for missing a meeting in 2011, and skipped an exit interview with Kelly at the end of this past season. That's two.
In addition, an Eagles source told NJ.com two weeks ago that Jackson missed multiple meetings last season.
CBS Sports reported Friday that Jackson hasn't been a model employee.
Jackson said he distanced himself from Theron Shakir, his friend and a rapper who performed for Jackson's music label, while Shakir was on trial for murder.
"Through the process, and the time where (Theron Shakir) was in jail, I kind of had to almost step back," Jackson said during the ESPN interview. "Because I'm a professional athlete. I know the ties of being around, or being seen, or making calls, or doing all that stuff that could easily make me be apart of it," Jackson said.
Jackson's instagram account, however, told a different story. Jackson posted a picture of Shakir during the trial, pleading for his release.
After the NJ.com story was published, Jackson deleted all photos of Shakir and him from his account, as well as other photos shown in the NJ.com reporting.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's not a coincidence. The Eagles haven't commented on Jackson's release so the media is digging up information.
94.1 WIP in Philadelphia had the author of the CBS story on the radio today. The author of the story said he talked to multiple players, both past and present and they all painted the same picture of Desean, a "me first" player who was more concerned with "getting his" than with winning. He used the analogy, if a basketball player scored 40pts, had 20 rebounds and 20 assists, and the team lost by 2, he'd be happy with the result while the rest of the team was upset for the loss. He also said if he had to estimate (because he said he didn't talk to every player) he said probably 80% of the locker room is glad he's gone.
The author also said something along the lines of: Jackson much like a little kid, would push the coaching staff to see what he could get away with. He also went a bit into Jackson during the Andy Reid era and said Reid would often turn a blind eye to Jackson's antics which the author said was understandable because he was "Reid's guy". Reid had a different connection with Jackson because he drafted him.
He also said, among other things, that Kelly is considered a players coach and had an open door policy for all his players.
For Kelly not to like Desean, I'd say Desean would have to be a real piece of work. For Kelly to actually cut the guy, he has to be a total #####. Jackson himself during the Stephen A. Smith interview didn't even deny yelling at coaches, missing meetings or being late. He simply wrote it off as being "immature". Exaggeration? Minimal at best IMO.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Congrats. You are only the 2nd person on this forum for whom I've used the ignore function.
Terpman22
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
Michael Irvin on D-Jax's move to DC:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/04/07/irvin-jackson-signing-changes-balance-of-power-in-nfc-east/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/04/07/irvin-jackson-signing-changes-balance-of-power-in-nfc-east/
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Gotta love DC media quoting an interview with a former Dallas player from a Philadelphia radio station.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Not to mention a WR saying a WR shifts the balance of power in the division. Remember when people said the Eagles trading McNabb to Washington was the dumbest trade in the history of the NFL?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Fixed.
Steinberg is not a journalist, beat writer or news reporter, to speak of. His blog is basically for entertainment purposes only.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
This is pretty spot on, and I say that as someone who really likes Steinberg's stuff. Though in this instance he isn't really trying to add anything anyways, just quoting Irvin because Skins fans will definitely find that quote noteworthy. I like the "for all you laymen" part.
I dunno about what he is saying though, tbh I am a Skins fan and if I had some life or death situation to pick someone to win the NFC East I'm pretty sure I would still take the Eagles. I am a fairly cynical fan and really like Chip though, so maybe that's why.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And guess who missed OTA's with thier new team because of a vacation?
Archer
Footballguy
What I remember more is that when the Skins traded Away McNabb the draft pick they got for him landed them Alfred Morris.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Are guys in here really acting like a guy taking a vacation he already had planned before signing his new contract with a new team means something?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I guess. But only teams with new coaches can start working out this early in April. He thought he'd be playing for the Eagles this year when he scheduled this vacation, and if that was the case it wouldn't be conflicting with anything right now.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Of course they are. Seemingly some people feel the need to spin every thing involving Jackson into the most negative light possible.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
After being pegged as a selfish, me first player and released, some just may expect him to put the team first and put off a vacation.
Not you guys though
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how easy or difficult it may be for him to "put off the vacation". Just know that you sound pretty ridiculous right now.After being pegged as a selfish, me first player and released, some just may expect him to put the team first and put off a vacation.
Not you guys though
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
After the ##### that was just written about him you can NOT have this written about you, period.
F'ing dude's a millionaire and can vacation all off-season if he wanted.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Obviously it's not a problem with him or the team--they knew before signing him.
For some reason, it's a problem for a select group of Eagles fans...wonder what the reason could be?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You don't seem to be pretending to think either.I'm not going to pretend to know the details of how easy or difficult it may be for him to "put off the vacation". Just know that you sound pretty ridiculous right now.After being pegged as a selfish, me first player and released, some just may expect him to put the team first and put off a vacation. Not you guys though
He probably didn't have the money or the time off to take it on a different time.
JFC
##### canned for being me first. Gets paid and than does some me first ##### and there's people making excuses for him, unreal.
How long until the we hear the Eagles leaked this too?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And I'm sure no PR guy said "hey this may not be a good idea". What do you think his response was?
