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WR DeVante Parker, Retired (1 Viewer)

Biabreakable said:
Agreed this has been an issue with Parker for his whole career now.

The coaches said he was taking better care of himself and practicing at the level that they wanted during the preseason. However the coaches said a lot of things about their players that have not turned out to be true.
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I forget the exact circumstances of his injury, so maybe he or the coaches screwed up somehow, but a sprained ankle can happen to pretty much anyone. Much different than a soft-tissue injury to the hamstring or groin, which is frequently a result of poor conditioning and/or propensity to injury (see Jeffrey, Alshon).

 
zftcg said:
I forget the exact circumstances of his injury, so maybe he or the coaches screwed up somehow, but a sprained ankle can happen to pretty much anyone. Much different than a soft-tissue injury to the hamstring or groin, which is frequently a result of poor conditioning and/or propensity to injury (see Jeffrey, Alshon).
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This is a good point about the conditioning and injuries like hamstrings that are sometimes related to not having good conditioning.

The coaches said Parker had poor sleeping habits and diet last year. Then this preseason they said he had corrected those issues. I have a hard time believing anything these coaches say right now though.

You make a good point that an ankle injury is different than these other injuries as far as their relation to conditioning.

Stefon Diggs said he focused all offseason on taking better care of himself to avoid these injuries, then missed two games with a groin injury anyways. With Diggs I think these injuries may not be related to conditioning, but happen because of the extreme cuts he will make while running routes all the time. He puts a lot of stress on his body with these moves and I think injuries himself because of it. I tend to believe Diggs has taken steps to avoid injuries like this, but he got injured anyways.

 
JuniorNB said:
I have Thomas as well but he only cost me a 12th round pick (based on where I drafted him before his rookie season). He has been disappointing as well. 
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Who hasn't disappointed you?

Might be easier to answer than the litany of guys who have.

Maybe your expectations are too high. Especially when they are so closely tied to TDs which for WR not named Randy Moss are almost always inconsistent.

 
Biabreakable said:
This is a good point about the conditioning and injuries like hamstrings that are sometimes related to not having good conditioning.

The coaches said Parker had poor sleeping habits and diet last year. Then this preseason they said he had corrected those issues. I have a hard time believing anything these coaches say right now though.

You make a good point that an ankle injury is different than these other injuries as far as their relation to conditioning.

Stefon Diggs said he focused all offseason on taking better care of himself to avoid these injuries, then missed two games with a groin injury anyways. With Diggs I think these injuries may not be related to conditioning, but happen because of the extreme cuts he will make while running routes all the time. He puts a lot of stress on his body with these moves and I think injuries himself because of it. I tend to believe Diggs has taken steps to avoid injuries like this, but he got injured anyways.
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Yeah, I mean it may be that it's not Diggs' "fault" he hurt his groin, but from a fantasy perspective, if he has a propensity toward soft-tissue injuries, it's kind of irrelevant whether it's because of his conditioning or something more intrinsic. Either way, you have to bake that into his fantasy value. Same with Jeffrey, Gronk, Reed, etc.

With Parker, though, it may be that he was doing everything right and then just got unlucky and rolled the ankle. If that's the case -- and again, I have no idea if it is -- then I'm not sure we automatically have to worry about his injuries going forward. Remember, Matthew Stafford was "injury prone" his first couple years in the league, and hasn't missed a game since then.

 
Biabreakable said:
Who hasn't disappointed you?

Might be easier to answer than the litany of guys who have.

Maybe your expectations are too high. Especially when they are so closely tied to TDs which for WR not named Randy Moss are almost always inconsistent.
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Gronk has been very solid. Evans has been solid. Cousins has been great value and Watson was tremendous before the injury.  Glad you're interested. Most people don't care about other guys' teams.  :thumbup:

 
JuniorNB said:
Gronk has been very solid. Evans has been solid. Cousins has been great value and Watson was tremendous before the injury.  Glad you're interested. Most people don't care about other guys' teams.  :thumbup:
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Well I hope you get my point since you only listed four players who have lived up to your very high expectations, and only two of those guys are WRs.

Evans has struggled a bit this year compared last year. He is still 6th overall in points per game for WR this year at 10.8 even though he only has 4 TDs so far. He has a 1.3 point advantage on Parker in points per game so far.

Parkers best traits are his contested catch abilities and catch radius. On display with his one handed catch in the game last night. That hasn't translated into a lot of TDs yet, but he does seem like a guy who could deliver there if Miami can get in the red zone for him to get those opportunities. I think he is somewhat similar to Alshon Jeffrey in that regard, maybe with fewer drops than Jeffrey. If Cutler and Parker can get healthy maybe Parker starts scoring some TDs at the end of this year and get off your S list.

 
JuniorNB said:
Awesome. And he's available about half of the games. When he's not leaving one he started after getting six yards.    

You can play with the numbers all you like. He was going in the 4th and 5th rounds in late drafts. He's been a colossal let down. Thank God for his one garbage time touchdown. 
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:violin:

 
Biabreakable said:
This is a good point about the conditioning and injuries like hamstrings that are sometimes related to not having good conditioning.

The coaches said Parker had poor sleeping habits and diet last year. Then this preseason they said he had corrected those issues. I have a hard time believing anything these coaches say right now though.

You make a good point that an ankle injury is different than these other injuries as far as their relation to conditioning.

Stefon Diggs said he focused all offseason on taking better care of himself to avoid these injuries, then missed two games with a groin injury anyways. With Diggs I think these injuries may not be related to conditioning, but happen because of the extreme cuts he will make while running routes all the time. He puts a lot of stress on his body with these moves and I think injuries himself because of it. I tend to believe Diggs has taken steps to avoid injuries like this, but he got injured anyways.
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Cocaine does tend to make you a bit chatty.

 
Silva thinks Bradberry is a bad match-up for Parker but he's wrong. Bradberry has allowed 12 catches for 189 yards on 16 targets over the past two weeks. The two best WR performances vs. CAR were Julio last week (6/118/0) and Michael Thomas in week 3 (7/87/1). The consensus expert opinion is that Landry has the best match-up and although slot WRs have had success vs. CAR, specifically in the TD department, I think Parker has a relatively high ceiling that he can hit tonight.

The thing that scares me is the pace of the game..

Per PFF..

In the Dolphins’ first game without Jay Ajayi, they skewed pass heavier in neutral situations (61.9-percent) than their norm (53.7-percent, 26th-highest). Of course, it wasn’t enough to boost play volume, as Miami’s 61 snaps essentially matched their season average (61.6, 11th-lowest) and the 58 they surrendered did the same (58.6, second-lowest). Their seconds-per-snap pace (28.6) also closely resembled their seasonal mark (28.8). Traveling to face a Panthers defense featuring the lowest snaps-surrendered average (55.9) isn’t an ideal setting for Jay Cutler to carry over momentum from his best performance of the season.

One of the few things Miami does consistently well – run stopping – is where Carolina wants to attack. Of course, their 22nd-graded run blocking and 25th-ranked yards-per-carry average display how much they’ve struggled. Still the Panthers run on 54.7-percent of situation-neutral plays (eighth-highest) and operate at the second-slowest pace (30.9 seconds per snap). While there are several attractive individual matchups – the Dolphins third-worst-graded pass coverage jumps out – overall opportunities will be suppressed. Through nine weeks, Panthers and Dolphins games combine for the 30th- and 31st-most plays, respectively.
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There generally may just not be a ton of opportunity in this game so when a WR is targeted he better make the most of it. However, CAR is -9 so I'm assuming MIA is going to be throwing for a healthy portion of the night. 

 
I have a hard time not seeing CAR have their way tonight. 

CAR's D line will be a problem. Hell...last week Cutler was constantly dumping off...against OAK's lousy D. This week could be worse. 

I fear come halftime, Parker is 1-9-0 and in the second half CAR is just milking the clock and Parker owners are once again hoping for some garbage time, sideline, one handed catch to bail them out.

I hope I'm wrong.

 
Ace08 said:
Homer opinion?  I've been posting on these boards A LOOOONG time.  Just because I root for the Phins doesn't mean I'm a blind homer or irrational.  They are, at best, a wild card team this year that probably gets bounced in the first.  That, however, is a LOOONG way from the non sense that was just posted earlier in this thread.

They are a solid team.  Print this post out, post it to your fridge with a magnet and a happy face sticker and come back here at seasons end and we'll discuss the end results.

And one last thing, if you don't understand how Vegas betting lines work...then it's pointless to even engage with you.  They aren't "predicting" 7.5 wins, they are simply setting the line where the most betting is likely to occur on BOTH sides of the line.  That's how they make money...I know it's an astronomical concept to comprehend...but try it and then come back.
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lol

Evan Silva‏Verified account @evansilva 4h4 hours ago

#Dolphins have indeed fallen to No. 32 in Football Outsiders' DVOA team ratings. Worst team in the NFL:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2017/week-10-dvoa-ratings

 
Biabreakable said:
Who hasn't disappointed you?

Might be easier to answer than the litany of guys who have.

Maybe your expectations are too high. Especially when they are so closely tied to TDs which for WR not named Randy Moss are almost always inconsistent.
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Or T.O.  Just sayin.  

 
FGITLOTR said:
Supposedely the ankle was still hampering him, but another week should be helpful. The OC called him out and said he lost his edge, which was clearly a motivation ploy. I fully expect 70-80 and a score this week 
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Parker doesn't seem like a guy who would get extra starch in his shorts because a coach publicly motivated him. His QB definitely isn't the type.

 
Hankmoody said:
He's a good part of the reason they are the worst offense though. 
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Thats not really a fair statement in my opinion.

He has only been a part of the offense for 5 of their 9 games. He has only played on 48% of their offensive snaps because of the missed games due to injury.

In those games he has

9 targets 4 receptions 85 yards

10 targets 8 receptions 76 yards 1 TD

8 targets 6 receptions 69 yards

8 targets 5 receptions 76 yards

9 targets 6 receptions 66 yards

In the game against the Titans he only played 3 snaps because that is the game where he got injured right away. That was a plus match up for him lost due to the injury.

 
Biabreakable said:
Thats not really a fair statement in my opinion.

He has only been a part of the offense for 5 of their 9 games. He has only played on 48% of their offensive snaps because of the missed games due to injury.

In those games he has

9 targets 4 receptions 85 yards

10 targets 8 receptions 76 yards 1 TD

8 targets 6 receptions 69 yards

8 targets 5 receptions 76 yards

9 targets 6 receptions 66 yards

In the game against the Titans he only played 3 snaps because that is the game where he got injured right away. That was a plus match up for him lost due to the injury.
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Deceptive stats.

If you watch the games, he gets most of those targets in the 2nd half. Garbage time.

In the first half, he's hardly part of the offense. He's certainly not the #1 read, maybe not even the 2nd read.

If the guy is truly that talented, you'd think they'd make a concerned effort to get him the ball early AND down the field. Nope. He sits out there wide which seems like miles away and the only first read passes I've seen Cutler throw to him are quick 9 yard outs.

Something is off here.

All that said, I think I have to play him today because S. Sheppard has a headache.

 
kyoun1e said:
Deceptive stats.

If you watch the games, he gets most of those targets in the 2nd half. Garbage time.

In the first half, he's hardly part of the offense. He's certainly not the #1 read, maybe not even the 2nd read.

If the guy is truly that talented, you'd think they'd make a concerned effort to get him the ball early AND down the field. Nope. He sits out there wide which seems like miles away and the only first read passes I've seen Cutler throw to him are quick 9 yard outs.

Something is off here.

All that said, I think I have to play him today because S. Sheppard has a headache.
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Certainly not my intent to be deceptive here, the numbers are what they are and Parker is getting a lot of targets and catches.

I hear what you are saying though about Miami not getting Parker established early on in the games. 

I have seen three Dolphins games this year, against the Saints, the Ravens and the Panthers.

In the Saints game the Dolphins got shut out and nothing they were trying to do was really working. However Parker did have 3 receptions of over 10 yards on their first drive which they took to 4 yards out, then Cutler threw an interception on 1st and 4 trying to get the ball to Julius Thomas. So at least in this game, he was very involved early on in the game, it wasn't just garbage time.

In the other two games the Dolphins got routed so the whole game could be considered garbage time.

 
flapgreen said:
I'm not sure how much is on Parker but it's definitely frustrating. 
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Exactly. All we heard all preseason is how hes a stud and this was going to be his breakout year.

Week 11.  He has zero 100 yard games and 1 touchdown.    Thats fine for a 12th round pick. Not a 5th or 6thround pick.   

 
Parker is what he is.   He's a pretty good WR that has struggled with an injury this season and is playing on a bad team with an average QB.  

 
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