Yep. A smaller share of an infinitely better offense is a clear upgrade for Diontae. There will be volatility but I'll take that as Carolina is a putrid sinking ship.
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WR Diontae Johnson, Free Agent (2 Viewers)
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fightingillini
Footballguy
I think this affects the other pass catchers in BAL, especially Bateman who is likely useless that this point.
Johnson is likely a WR3 going forward which isn't bad. There weren't many spots where he could be a WR2, so might as well go to a good offense that will likely need to score a lot to win. Probably going to be some volatility.
So I am indifferent with the move.
Johnson is likely a WR3 going forward which isn't bad. There weren't many spots where he could be a WR2, so might as well go to a good offense that will likely need to score a lot to win. Probably going to be some volatility.
So I am indifferent with the move.
My bad, I was assuming Dan Morgan wasn't a moron.But that 3rd round comp pick!!!!
So 5.32 for 6.1.
Flowers is currently WR27 on a ppg basis. No way DJ sniffs the top 36.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
yeah i'll take the better offense all day. Bryce Young is horrible
Kdpatronis15
Footballguy
Zay isn’t a true number one NFL WR, he is a gadget guy. I think this infinitely helps their offense with a smooth route runner who can create instant separation.
I see this as a win for him and he should be able to produce right away.
I see this as a win for him and he should be able to produce right away.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
I think that was based on 2 games where BAL barely passed the ball. Things are different. BAL D is not really good. BAL is going to have to pass and score more. So I can see Diontae in the top 36 and Flowers being a low end WR2.
fightingillini
Footballguy
I wouldn't say that. Flowers is a good young WR, maybe he doesn't run the full route tree, but he's more than just a gadget guy.
Kdpatronis15
Footballguy
Fair point - i may have been extreme, all I was trying to point out is that he doesn’t have the tools necessary to be a top 10 wr in the NFL. Ravens need weapons and that has been proven in the chiefs and browns games once defenses sell out to stop the run
VikingFrog
Footballguy
The best offense is a good defense. So make an offensive defensive trade.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Baffled anyone sees this as a notable upgrade for fantasy to be honest.
He certainly makes their offense better but you can downgrade pretty much everyone bar Lamar in the silly game we play.
He certainly makes their offense better but you can downgrade pretty much everyone bar Lamar in the silly game we play.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Texans? Collins will be back in 2 weeks. That would have been a terrible landing spot as a Nico Collins owner. His best spot would have been Tampa Bay. Ravens is probably a wash at best.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Agreed.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Think I might rather have Legette than DJ in redraft formats now
Boone22
Footballguy
Agreed. This is subtraction by addition. It hurts everyone on the offense including Diontae. The only one who benefits “might” be Lamar.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I don't think I've read anyone saying it's an upgrade over Panthers. I might have missed that though. I'm hopeful it's a near draw. People act like he was killing it with them. In ppr scoring he had 3 good games and 4 games with under 6 pts. So 57% of his games he was absolutely horrible. Maybe the energy burst of a Super Bowl contender and more opportunities of tds can cancel out the big cut in targets. Who knows. One thing we do know is football is gonna football. Imo
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
depends who's throwing in CAR
-OZ-
Footballguy
I love the differing perspectives.
As an owner who hasn’t been starting him most weeks this doesn’t do anything for me. I figure Andrews, likely, flowers are better targets. Bateman has flashes. But they’re all behind Henry and Lamar running when we’re talking short to intermediate routes.
Diggs is WR10 in fantasy and his best games were with Nico in the lineup taking coverage away.
Tampa would have been great too but they haven't made a move or really been linked to anyone in the rumor mill.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Off all the eligible teams that needed a WR, the Ravens were the worst spot he could've gone too, IMO.I really, really, really needed him to go to Tampa Bay. Or Houston at the very least.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Just had this thought that no one cares about me but I'll share anyway.
In redraft leagues when I went WR in mid round 6 into early round 7 range I usually had 3 WR's I was targeting unless someone fell a little further then normal.
Those 3 WR's were Godwin, Ridley and Diontae and I drafted all of them a few times.
Here is the thought I had and this comes from someone who is much more consumed with playing for end of the season then the beginning. But if I had a crystal ball to look into today that could just see the YTD status of these 3 players I'd have picked Godwin even if I knew his season would be over after week 7. Would not even be a close decision. I'd just take the 7 glorious weeks and the open roster spot then dealing with these yo-yo's.
In redraft leagues when I went WR in mid round 6 into early round 7 range I usually had 3 WR's I was targeting unless someone fell a little further then normal.
Those 3 WR's were Godwin, Ridley and Diontae and I drafted all of them a few times.
Here is the thought I had and this comes from someone who is much more consumed with playing for end of the season then the beginning. But if I had a crystal ball to look into today that could just see the YTD status of these 3 players I'd have picked Godwin even if I knew his season would be over after week 7. Would not even be a close decision. I'd just take the 7 glorious weeks and the open roster spot then dealing with these yo-yo's.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
A few people in here have their expectations too high IMO.
I'm a Zay owner, this offense can barely support 1 WR. Zay still has the random weeks where he gets just 3-5 targets. DJ may be able to crack the low WR3 range. Zay will drop off a tad from this too as they cannibalize each other slightly.
I agree with those who say the only winner here is Lamar.
I'm a Zay owner, this offense can barely support 1 WR. Zay still has the random weeks where he gets just 3-5 targets. DJ may be able to crack the low WR3 range. Zay will drop off a tad from this too as they cannibalize each other slightly.
I agree with those who say the only winner here is Lamar.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, the real winner is the actual Baltimore Ravens team. And in fantasy, Lamar is the only winner. Neutral impact to D Henry. Everyone else is some degree of negative.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
At worst its a pick swap of maybe 8 picks. At the very worse. Can't believe that couldn't get more.My bad, I was assuming Dan Morgan wasn't a moron.But that 3rd round comp pick!!!!
So 5.32 for 6.1.
No shares of any of these guys but I’ll say DJ becomes a boom/bust WR3 and hard to use in your starting lineup.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I started shopping Diontae after seeing so many dumping on him in this thread lol. I received an early soft offer of:
My AJ Brown + Diontae Johnson for his Tyreek Hill + Brian Thomas Jr.
My current RBs and WRs:
My AJ Brown + Diontae Johnson for his Tyreek Hill + Brian Thomas Jr.
My current RBs and WRs:
- JT, Achane, Chase Brown, Allgeier, Braelon Allen
- AJ Brown, Adams, Reed, Diontae Johnson
Runkle
Footballguy
In my league I went WR late (we only need to start one) and got 3 guys... Godwin, Diontae, and Davante Adams. The past two weeks have gone from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows.
finfansteve
Footballguy
My five WRs I drafted onto my big money ppr league were
Nico collins
Aiyuk
Dionte Johnson
Jameson williams
Juju
Was cruising in first highest scoring team then within two weeks I had to rebuild my whole wr room off the wire. Have dropped two straight I’m now 5-3. With these guys intact I was 5-1 with the loss being by .08 of a point
ChiefD
Footballguy
I don’t think so. If he was worth a darn and the compensation was that cheap the Chiefs would have been all over that. I doubt the Chiefs were in play for him at all.
If anything this is a minor mistake by the Ravens for disrupting their wide receiver room.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - seems like perhaps the market was not as deep as we were made to believe. The Ravens got him for basically a song - late round draft pick swap and the Panthers are eating a lot of Diontae’s contract. If there were other serious suitors, have to imagine the price would have been markedly higher.
I think his value is destroyed.
Too many mouths to feed. Hell, Z. Flowers was already volatile minus D. Johnson, you have R. Bateman emerging a bit, two TE mouths to feed, and then oh by the way, D. Henry and L. Jackson rushing in TDs.
Would not be surprised if he's dropable in two weeks.
Timmay
Footballguy
Could be the 5th option in Baltimore at best behind Henry running, Lamar running, Zay, Andrews and Likely. I buy the fact he will beat out Bateman and Agholar and they have been productive the last few weeks, but certainly not WR2 type numbers. Johnson will be a flex play from here on out ROS - downgrade to his fantasy stock in redraft.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wanna hear the story of my dynasty team with Nico and Shaheed and the other one with Aiyuk and Rashee Rice?
Prolly not, but you just did.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with anyone in here. Because everyone’s armchair analysis is 100% spot on.
So I will laugh when he puts up the best numbers of his career from this point on as a true alpha WR1 in Baltimore.
It will be like 10,000 spoons, when all we needed was a knife.
So I will laugh when he puts up the best numbers of his career from this point on as a true alpha WR1 in Baltimore.
It will be like 10,000 spoons, when all we needed was a knife.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I am sure it has been said, but shocked nobody would pay a little more knowing how many teams could have used another receiver. Ravens got better, but the receivers I would have a hard time putting into a lineup. Flowers was iffy already, this will not help.
Carolina literally gave him away for nothing. THAT's the best they could have done? Hard to believe.
And I joked earlier about Detroit grabbing him for a 5th. With Jamo still acting like an immature punk, maybe they should have offered something if all it cost was a pack of gum.
And I joked earlier about Detroit grabbing him for a 5th. With Jamo still acting like an immature punk, maybe they should have offered something if all it cost was a pack of gum.
zamboni
Footballguy
As mentioned above (or maybe in another thread), perhaps the market for mid-season WR trades isn't as robust as one would think and teams got what they could. A lot of teams probably think that it takes too long to integrate a new WR to mesh with the incumbent QB. Most of the teams though that did trade for the big names (KC, Baltimore, Buffalo) are among the best run organizations that are also contenders, and perhaps see the potential to improve at a position of need at a low cost. (Don't get me started on the Jets acquiring Adams).
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Would have been fine giving a 4th, although not sure DJ fits into our culture.
That's a great story and reminds me of the big FFPC Main event league I took Godwin and Diontae with b2b picks and thought it made my draft because I only had one WR before those picks. And I almost forgot I lost Shaheed on that team a few weeks ago.
It was really close to free. Because of the comp picks at end of round 3 it's projected to be in range of 15-20 pick improvement. Giving him for that AND eating most of his salary was mind boggling.
All I kept reading yesterday was that the whole league knew Carolina was done with Diontae and that made the rest of the league play hardball. That's still hard for me to grasp how Carolina could not get a better offer because if you are a team that wanted him and Carolina tells you to "beat this" it's not hard.
One more post for me on Diontae.
Read a few Ravens beat writers thought late last night and they seemed to think he's the WR3 on the team. More of a weapon, might be used on punt returns, but they seemed to think Bateman would remain the number 2.
I will not be surprised if he's cut before the end of the season.
His attitude rubs people the wrong way, one of the reasons Carolina wanted him off the team ASAP. That attitude gets worse when he does not think he's getting the ball. Off the top of my head I can't recall a pass catcher on the Ravens showing really bad body language over not getting the ball or don't get an accurate pass thrown their way when Lamar is the QB, he seems to have to much respect by them to entertain trying to show him up. This may have occured and I missed it, just don't recall it but Diontae does this ALL the time. Now some of them have wanted out over lack of usage, like Hollywood and the Ravens have said a few times in the past they know they have to draft WR's and overpay in FA because the lack of volume is a turnoff for some FA Wr's they've wanted to attract. How much if any that changed after Roman left I don't know but the whole thing could be really volatile, especially if he starts his on field moping.
Diontae does not appear to be overly loved by NFL teams and he's about to be a FA. The smart thing for him to do is be a good solider, play whatever role they ask, maybe even win a ring and hit FA. But I don't think he can help himself. I heard some comments from him back in camp about trying to be better, not complain so much, etc,etc. Lasted about two weeks into the season.
Read a few Ravens beat writers thought late last night and they seemed to think he's the WR3 on the team. More of a weapon, might be used on punt returns, but they seemed to think Bateman would remain the number 2.
I will not be surprised if he's cut before the end of the season.
His attitude rubs people the wrong way, one of the reasons Carolina wanted him off the team ASAP. That attitude gets worse when he does not think he's getting the ball. Off the top of my head I can't recall a pass catcher on the Ravens showing really bad body language over not getting the ball or don't get an accurate pass thrown their way when Lamar is the QB, he seems to have to much respect by them to entertain trying to show him up. This may have occured and I missed it, just don't recall it but Diontae does this ALL the time. Now some of them have wanted out over lack of usage, like Hollywood and the Ravens have said a few times in the past they know they have to draft WR's and overpay in FA because the lack of volume is a turnoff for some FA Wr's they've wanted to attract. How much if any that changed after Roman left I don't know but the whole thing could be really volatile, especially if he starts his on field moping.
Diontae does not appear to be overly loved by NFL teams and he's about to be a FA. The smart thing for him to do is be a good solider, play whatever role they ask, maybe even win a ring and hit FA. But I don't think he can help himself. I heard some comments from him back in camp about trying to be better, not complain so much, etc,etc. Lasted about two weeks into the season.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Gosh I hope you're right.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
interesting. I have NEVER heard anything like this about Johnson before, so this is very surprising news to me.
I'm not so sure he's a WR3, though. I think he certainly supplants Bateman as the WR2 at the least outcome, supplanting Flowers as the best outcome. Just my gut.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Setting up to be the ultimate counter-narrative, with basically 100% in here agreeing he's gonna suck.
Has he ever had an offense or QB as good as this in his NFL career? How about one even close?
I own zero shares b/c I have never been a fan, but Baltimore doesn't have a WR1, so there is some chance here for him to step into that vacuum, if he doesn't shoot his own foot with his early locker room impressions.
