JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought the subject was Claypool, since the hijack. Follow the conversation back to Claypool, then follow my responses
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WR DJ Moore, CHI (3 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oops - damn, I need to stop posting while working.
Talking about too many Bears receivers. Yes, Claypool.
Claypool had a very good rookie season. I’m not sure why you don’t like him either. He’s certainly flashed signs of being a competent WR.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He hasn’t looked all that great since his rookie year. I read he wasn’t always on same page as his QB. How much of it is the QB, or the WR?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I guess we’ll find out next year if DJM, Kmet, & Mooney are balling out & Claypool is stinking up the joint.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I suspect we know what Claypool is.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not completely convinced. He had a lot of competition in PIT.
He didn’t know the playbook in CHI.
I want to see 2023 before I decide.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
At first I was upset about this trade. I was thinking Dj Moore was finally going to get a decent qb. I figured car would trade up for stroud or young. But after careful consideration I firmly believe they gave that boatload up to acquire the qb with highest upside. Richardson… fortunately for Dj Moore his floor (in correlation with wr PPG) is way that of fields(only my opinion). Now, here I sit… happy as a Dj Moore owner and fan that he has fields thrown him the ball.
I also believe Dj will give fields higher floor and cieling rushing and passing.
This was a GREAT trade for chicago.
I also believe Dj will give fields higher floor and cieling rushing and passing.
This was a GREAT trade for chicago.
zamboni
Footballguy
Maybe some fluke there when you consider he had zero the year before. Kind of like the Miles Sanders of TEs. TDs are always going to be situational to some degree.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I thought the zero was more flukey than the 7
They also barely threw to him until his 2 TD week. They all of a sudden he was a weapon.
Some of that "all of a sudden, he was a weapon" was because the guys around him were dropping like flies. Herbert and Mooney went on IR, and Claypool was banged up, and had trouble picking up the offense. Even Fields got banged up and missed time there. Kmet was certainly a better option than the likes of Dante Pettis or Equanimous St. Brown.
I would agree 0 TDs is more fluky than 7 (any starting TE having 0 in 17 games is fluky), but I think its very likely he splits the difference, with a lot more talent around him. I think its very easy to see him being 4th in the pecking order, and I wouldn't assume he's the preferred redzone option either.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IIRC he had his 5 TDs in 3 game streak before Mooney got hurt. I have them both in one league, along with Fields, so I had to watch more 2022 Bears than any human should have to reasonably absorb.
It just seemed like the Bears remembered that he’s a good receiver. From there out he was a solid option for them.
Until I see differently, I’m going to believe he and Fields have chemistry - fields consistently looks for Kmet in the red zone, and I’m not sure why that would change unless the OC just wants to use him as a blocker. Which seems like an odd choice.
I have a ton of DJ Moore. I had quite a bit of Diggs before he was traded. I traded Diggs in all the leagues I had him after he was dealt to Buffalo. Obviously, I massively regretted that. I'm absolutely wary of dumping Moore.
Diggs finished as the WR18 in PPR in 2019, then was the WR3 when he was traded and has been top-7 since then. With Minnesota he finished as high as WR12, in 2018.
Moore finished as the WR10 in 2019, WR25 in 2020, WR16 in '21 and WR23 last year. His pre-trade finishes are absolutely comparable to Diggs's. Josh Allen was viewed as a downgrade for Diggs.
Moore already has a top-10 finish, when Kyle Allen started 12 games that season. I think a Diggs-like ascent is within his range of outcomes.
Diggs finished as the WR18 in PPR in 2019, then was the WR3 when he was traded and has been top-7 since then. With Minnesota he finished as high as WR12, in 2018.
Moore finished as the WR10 in 2019, WR25 in 2020, WR16 in '21 and WR23 last year. His pre-trade finishes are absolutely comparable to Diggs's. Josh Allen was viewed as a downgrade for Diggs.
Moore already has a top-10 finish, when Kyle Allen started 12 games that season. I think a Diggs-like ascent is within his range of outcomes.
While a Diggs-like ascent isn't entirely out of the question, its not that similar of a path. Moore has been an unquestioned #1 in Carolina for years. Diggs had a 1A/1B thing going with Adam Thielen.
You are right about the TDs, but I was talking more about pecking order. Kmet had 2 games with more than 4 targets when Mooney went down, he only had 1 game with under 4 the rest of the season. Kmet had 69 targets last year, and 32 of them came in the 6 games Mooney was injured.IIRC he had his 5 TDs in 3 game streak before Mooney got hurt. I have them both in one league, along with Fields, so I had to watch more 2022 Bears than any human should have to reasonably absorb.
It just seemed like the Bears remembered that he’s a good receiver. From there out he was a solid option for them.
Until I see differently, I’m going to believe he and Fields have chemistry - fields consistently looks for Kmet in the red zone, and I’m not sure why that would change unless the OC just wants to use him as a blocker. Which seems like an odd choice.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Be that as it may, why get away from something that works? They know he’s a weapon now. Why stop using him as such?
Also, IIRC Kmet was blocking more due to deficiencies / injuries to the OL. Early on they had shackles on Fields.
When the shackles came off in wee 7 (8?), they were getting Kmet more involved as well.
IMO If they shore up the OL, it frees up Kmet to be a bigger part of the receiving game. And with a better offense, it stands to reason that there might be more offensive plays called, = more targets for everyone.
I’m still optimistic about Kmet. I know how they used him early - but those first 6 games the Bears offense was crap. No way to sugar coat it. They changed philosophy, let Fields run & got their talented TE more involved.
I see no reason to put that genie back in the bottle.
2 games with over 200 passing yards last year for the Bears. We’re discussing a very small pie here and I don’t see that changing much. I see Fields like Lamar, in that they take so much passing out of the offence with their running that the passing upside is capped.
Maybe Moore salvages some value as a target hog, like Andrews for the Ravens, but giving Moore Andrews’s numbers puts him at what? A low end WR2, high end WR3?
Maybe Moore salvages some value as a target hog, like Andrews for the Ravens, but giving Moore Andrews’s numbers puts him at what? A low end WR2, high end WR3?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
So basically the same as Moore has been? Andrews 2021, he had a higher ppg than DJ Moore has ever had.
The Justin Fields-to-DJ Moore connection is forming for the Bears. (: @ChicagoBears)
Soulfly3
Footballguy
problem for me is he went to probably the only worse passing team in the league.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I thought this last year and drafted him everywhere. Didn’t work out too well.
floods
Footballguy
Most of us who owned AJB and Tyreek last year were pretty down on their new homes. I do not expect Fields to be Hurts, and thinking that is likely biased, but I will reserve judgment on DJ Moore this year.
Do you think his targets will increase, decrease or stay the same? My biggest questions tied to his 2023 production are: do his targets increase and does his catchable/quality target rate improve?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
you think he has one now?
Blick
Footballguy
I don't see Moore's numbers changing significantly one way or the other from his last few years. High floor, consistent, WR2.
Yea absolutely. Fields lack of passing numbers have been due to a weak supporting cast, and poor usage of his skill set. I think the supporting cast has got an upgrade with DJ Moore, and I actually think Foreman is an upgrade over Montgomery as well. When he took off last year you could tell the Bears started to loosen up the playcalling, and let him be himself. Getting DJ Moore as a weapon is a legitimate #1 WR which he has not had. He also is more comfortable in the offensive scheme this year, and is not having to learn a whole new offense this offseason which is huge for a young athletic QB so he is not overthinking too much.
I think Fields will look similar to Jalen Hurts in year 2 when we are all said and done. All reports in camp are that Fields looks to Moore early and often, and Fields has a pretty good deep ball as well. I think DJ Moore could break 100 receptions, and finally break the wall of 1200 yards with 6-8 TDs. The biggest reason that I like him is that his value is great. I do auction drafts only, and getting a guy with that potential in the $15-20 range is great
2023 FanNation Projection:
Justin Fields
317 completions in 488 passes, 64.9% accuracy
3,471 yards, 7.1 yards per attempt, 26 TDs, 13 INTs,
93.4 passer rating; 135 rushes
907 yards rushing, 6.9 yards per rush, 8 TDs.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
Fields does seem to be on that Allen/Hurts trajectory. I've had Moore since since I drafted him as a rookie in a salary cap/auction league and have his RFA rights this season since his league rookie contract just expired. I would love to be able to re-sign him for about 15% - 20% of our cap.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Moore's ADP and ranking seem about right to me.
I like him more than McLaurin, Ridley, Hopkins and Allen who are all going before him per FantasyPros ADp
I like him less than Williams and Jeudy who are going after him.
The only real question to me is will he get the target volume in this weird Bears offense?
I like him more than McLaurin, Ridley, Hopkins and Allen who are all going before him per FantasyPros ADp
I like him less than Williams and Jeudy who are going after him.
The only real question to me is will he get the target volume in this weird Bears offense?
jm192
Footballguy
The talent is there. Fields is likely the most talented QB he's ever played with. My initial thought is Chicago isn't going to throw it enough. But teams tend to throw more as they get better pass catchers. I Dont think he's going to see 150-160 targets.
His efficiency should be a lot better. He caught 53% of his targets. If you take out last season's debacle-he's at closer to 72% on his career. He'll command a high enough target share to have 80+ catches.
His efficiency should be a lot better. He caught 53% of his targets. If you take out last season's debacle-he's at closer to 72% on his career. He'll command a high enough target share to have 80+ catches.
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Yea people forget Justin Fields has great accuracy. The connection between he and DJ Moore is like Hurts/AJ Brown from last year.
