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crushedspirit
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I'm admittingly being greedy since both are on my dynasty roster.
Moore's even less likely to be traded than CMC. He just signed a 4-year extension this offseason. It'd cost them like 35 million to deal him. They'd need to be getting 2 1sts for him.
If I were making a list of guys the Panthers won't be dealing, its:
1. Taylor Moton
2. DJ Moore
3. Ikem Ekwonu
4. Christian McCaffrey
5. Austin Corbett
6. Brian Burns
7. Jaycee Horn
8. Donte Jackson
Only real name guys I could see being traded are Shaq Thompson or Robbie Anderson. Anybody else of value, is either too expensive to deal, or too young to want to part with. Anderson makes some sense, as it gives them a window to see what they have in Terrace Marshall, Laviska Shenault, and Shi Smith.
If I were making a list of guys the Panthers won't be dealing, its:
1. Taylor Moton
2. DJ Moore
3. Ikem Ekwonu
4. Christian McCaffrey
5. Austin Corbett
6. Brian Burns
7. Jaycee Horn
8. Donte Jackson
Only real name guys I could see being traded are Shaq Thompson or Robbie Anderson. Anybody else of value, is either too expensive to deal, or too young to want to part with. Anderson makes some sense, as it gives them a window to see what they have in Terrace Marshall, Laviska Shenault, and Shi Smith.
Moore won't be traded. I think CMC will be.
Why do you think CMC will be? They lose 17 million dealing him, and he's a big draw for whomever they want to hire as their next HC.
If they deal him, it has to be for something big. Not like a conditional 3rd or something, but like maybe 2 day 2 picks, which I have a hard time seeing anyone doing, I mean who makes sense? I know Buffalo was rumored, but that feels a little like how every offseason people want guys to go to GB.
This would be better in CMC thread but asked here so will answer here:
Probably boils down to if you think they are in a rebuild or are going to just try and bring in a new head coach/QB and think they can compete in 23 or 24. I think they are
going for a rebuild myself and based on that line of thinking, and to answer one of your questions. I don't think a 27 year old RB on a rebuilding team would be a draw for the next head coach.
Negatives:
Cap hit for this year they need to clear money for to accomodate
I'll mention the draw but I think that's pretty small reason for one of the leagues wealthiest owner because it's probably not a ton of money. A lot less then he owes Ruhle. Team interest might be more important then actual attendance draw right now but I don't think that's not a major reason but again I"ll list it as a negative.
Positives:
Sure they take a cap hit but they gain actual cap space staring next year.
Despite being a year older then DJ Moore due to the positional difference it's highly unlikley the CMC has enough left to be a meaningful part of a rebuild.
Trading him, more then DJ Moore, would IMO make them worse in the short term which they have to be considering as a positive due to need to get a pick to get a QB.
Team as a whole is super low on draft picks as a whole.
As to your question of team fit and that team paying enough to make it worth your while. That's the harder part of the equation for sure and the one thing different about Moore. Because for the same reasons I don't think Carolina wants to trade him are part of the reasons he's an easier commodity to move then CMC. So he's easier to move if they wanted and the market for CMC will be smaller I think one exists and a few teams are checking in. Trade deadline is Nov 1 I think so a few more weeks so maybe some injuries open up the market but Carolina does not either way no need for them to be in a rush, other then risks of CMC getting injured. My best guess is just over the next few weeks they'll get enough compensation to make it worth it for them.
Last question about CMC and then I'll get back to Moore:
Wouldn't it make more sense to deal CMC in the offseason when they do it then? Its something like an 18 million dollar difference if they deal him in the new league year, then if they do at the deadline. Is the compensation really going to be that different?
I agree Moore is a greater asset for sure, WRs are more important than RBs, even the best ones. Its why both Dallas and Tennessee erred spending on Henry and Elliott in my opinion, as they'd be much better off with Brown and Cooper.
Perhaps will work out that way but here is the difference as I see it..
We might see some cap cuts to add to this group and on the flip side likely see a few of these players extended before hitting UFA but off top of my head RB's I think some teams might view as starter caliber next year who are not under contract for 2023 would include the likes of Josh Jacobs, Montgomery, Miles Sanders, Hunt, Damien Harris, James Robinson, Pollard and Mattison. Add in a RB draft class that looks like it might be on the 2017/2008 caliber and it might be hard to get a big market even if CMC is clearly superior to any of these vets.
In the off-season teams with needs/wants can shop FA or the draft. But now the options to improve are limited. I'll use a team like the Rams as an example. They add Allen Robinson, assume Akers will be healthier and make a nice duo with Henderson. Then 5 weeks into the season they see that none of it is working out. What they really need is an improved OL but that's next to impossible to address right now. So again just using them as an example and knowing they are in win now mode, perhaps they conclude more skill position players would remedy their situation and except for the rare, and not healthy enough right now, player like Odell sitting around the only way to obtain this kind of player is by trade. Compare that to the off-season when they have so many more options to pursue through the draft of FA and I think all of that helps the market for CMC.
The other thing, and I mentioned this already, is no CMC can go a long way towards helping put Carolina in position to draft their QB of the future. Of course the counter is they are in position to do that anyway with him suiting up every week but I think his absence would help.
zamboni
Footballguy
This is a side topic for a different thread, but the RBBC landscape is going to be even more aggravating next year with all this talent and not enough available starting gigs to go around.
The Frankman
Footballguy
eric rymer
Footballguy
If we're being honest Carolina is terrible for his value. Especially with the ADOT that Carolina had this week. I can't help but to feel like there are 31 teams that would make for a bump in value at this point.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Sad but true
zamboni
Footballguy
As intriguing as it sounds, it's far from a given that going to a new environment would be much of a fantasy upgrade for him. Depends where he goes - if it's a Green Bay, that's one thing, but if it's another team with a lot of target competition, that might squeeze him out a bit this year. Wherever he goes, it would take time to get acclimated to a new QB/offense.
At the end of the day, it might be better fantasy wise if he stayed put with Darnold/Baker and got funneled targets.
At the end of the day, it might be better fantasy wise if he stayed put with Darnold/Baker and got funneled targets.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
40% of the targets (avg 11.6/wk) went to CMC and Robbie. I would think DJ would have to see some of those. Now it is a question if the targets are worthwhile.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
In the immediate short term he has virtually no value. He has not been a viable starter for the Panthers for a while and now he is basically their only skill position player he will be even easier to scheme against, not that he was with more guys around.
A change of scene literally can't make him any worse, even in the short term. The only teams who would likely trade for him at this stage would be almost certainly be a vast upgrade anyway. Packers, Chiefs, Ravens. I can't see any realistic trade team being a step back for him.
I don't care how little he knows about their offensive systems, DJ Moore catching passes from Mahomes with zero knowledge of the Chiefs offense is better than him catching passes from Mayfield or Darnold with 100% knowledge of the Panthers. Now and in 5 weeks time.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Truebluey
Footballguy
A good sell high?
zamboni
Footballguy
Could be depending one's other WRs. I don't expect efficiency like that for DJ going forward, but any WR that is pretty much guaranteed 10+ targets a week is a valuable asset these days.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, one challenge is that Carolina still doesn’t throw the ball much, so DJ will need to keep getting 35-40% of targets to be fantasy relevant…
zamboni
Footballguy
True, seems like they'd rather run the ball, but not sure if game scripts will allow for it like somehow it did yesterday versus TB. I imagine next week vs. Atlanta will be another low scoring, slug it out affair, but we'll see.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
In for a share via trade. Hope week 7 was a shift.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Been sitting him for several weeks behind Hopkins, Godwin and Gave Davis.
Hard to sit him seeing as PJ Walker seems to have resurrected him.
Hard to sit him seeing as PJ Walker seems to have resurrected him.
Maybe not. Ugh
The Frankman
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Single handedly killing me in the league I drafted him
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah...thought i was drafting a safe player...but man that QB play is just so bad there. Thought at least with the game he had last time vs. Atl we would see something. Started out with a nice 20 yard reception...then nothing.Single handedly killing me in the league I drafted him
My only positive was the guy I am going against had Allgeier in his lineup because of bye weeks and uncertainty with Jonathon Taylor (who he has in flex just in case he doesn't play).
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Out of my lineup in favor of Garrett Wilson beginning next week.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Ya no thanks
He's sharing the bench with "glass" Jeudy, "hammy" Toney, and "please get me a QB" Wilson
He's sharing the bench with "glass" Jeudy, "hammy" Toney, and "please get me a QB" Wilson
Yea he is a "until he shows me something", and unfortunately it's so late in the season he is super hard to trust with the matchups being more crucial, and playoffs coming up.
I guess if there are any injuries to your team you can feel a little more confident starting him with Darnold behind center, but definitely not this week vs Denver. As bad as Denver is overall as a team, I think they will make the Panthers look even worse this weekend.
