WR Dynasty Rankings (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game.

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24.

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me.

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr)

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable.

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value.

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though.

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season.

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher.

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside.

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3.

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

 

[LBH]

Marques Colston at #20 really stands out to me. What is it u dont like? 80+ rec and 1200yds with 11tds as a sophmore coming off a 1000yd 8td rookie year. Theres no reason to believe he has hit his peak imo.

 

[stp-d]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

not a top 10 dynasty player

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game.

Much better than Burress

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24.

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me.

Have to handicap him with Farve's future unknown. maybe 13

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr)

To think Welker will be the 11th best after 1 good yr in a once in a lifetime season is crazy. 20th more likely

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable.

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

Brandon Marshall & Chad behind a 35 yr old with 2 decent yrs left at most. ???

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

This is absolutely rediculous. With his talent he will succeed anywhere. Not top 5, but 17???

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value.

just awful

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though.

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.

You should be ashamed of yourself for this one

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season.

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher.

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside.

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3.

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

First off, I like the time and effort you put in, but I have to say there are so many problems with these rankings between the #5 and #20, I pray my other league members read this and use it for future trades and drafts.

 

[travdogg]

I can't really see Colston getting more than 80 catches with Bush around, and Duece will take some of those TD's back.

I really think Colston is an 1100-8 type guy.

 

[LBH]

you do realize that Colston had 8tds his rookie year while pretty much missing 4 games. He had 11tds this year. He is by far and away the best RZ recieving threat on that team. Even if u believe he is a 1100 8td wr, considering his age, that has to be much better than the #20 spot u have him ranked

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Braylon Edwards is not better than Larry Fitzgerald. He may be in a better situation with a better quarterback but Fitz is the better player.

 

[travdogg]

Edwards has the deep speed that Fitz lacks and is almost as good at the jump balls.

 

[FavreCo]

Next January, Brandon Marshall will be consistently listed in the top 10. He will prove in 2008 that all of you should have listed him there FOR 2008.

 

[sheerterror]

you do realize that Colston had 8tds his rookie year while pretty much missing 4 games. He had 11tds this year. He is by far and away the best RZ recieving threat on that team. Even if u believe he is a 1100 8td wr, considering his age, that has to be much better than the #20 spot u have him ranked

I think it's one of the those 'different for the sake of being different' rankings.

 

[cstu]

There are 20 WR's I'd rather have in a dynasty than Owens.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Housh & Plax need to leave the top 10. Colston and Boldin need to be in the top 10

 

[loose circuits]

Next January, Brandon Marshall will be consistently listed in the top 10. He will prove in 2008 that all of you should have listed him there FOR 2008.

I think an argument could be made for top 5

 

[LBH]

Next January, Brandon Marshall will be consistently listed in the top 10. He will prove in 2008 that all of you should have listed him there FOR 2008.

I think an argument could be made for top 5

Its tough to put any wr in the top 5 after 1 good season. Hes right around 10 for me right now so if he can improve on last season i could maybe see him in the top 5

 

[loose circuits]

Next January, Brandon Marshall will be consistently listed in the top 10. He will prove in 2008 that all of you should have listed him there FOR 2008.

I think an argument could be made for top 5

Its tough to put any wr in the top 5 after 1 good season. Hes right around 10 for me right now so if he can improve on last season i could maybe see him in the top 5

he really has the goods though. Great QB throwing him the rock with a decent b/u. All the physical tools you look for in a WR- height, speed, strength. He has good hands and is amaznig after the catch.If I was drafting today, I would pick him as soon as those top 5 were off the board. It seems I must favor upside a little more than you do...

 

[KoolKat]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

not a top 10 dynasty player

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game.

Much better than Burress

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24.

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me.

Have to handicap him with Farve's future unknown. maybe 13

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr)

To think Welker will be the 11th best after 1 good yr in a once in a lifetime season is crazy. 20th more likely

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable.

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

Brandon Marshall & Chad behind a 35 yr old with 2 decent yrs left at most. ???

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

This is absolutely rediculous. With his talent he will succeed anywhere. Not top 5, but 17???

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value.

just awful

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though.

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.

You should be ashamed of yourself for this one

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season.

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher.

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside.

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3.

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

First off, I like the time and effort you put in, but I have to say there are so many problems with these rankings between the #5 and #20, I pray my other league members read this and use it for future trades and drafts.

It wasn't terrible till Holmes? 85 at 17? Brandon Marshall QUIETLY led league in targets? Boldin @ 21? Jennings and Holmes Top 10?? Calvin Johnson behind TO? Are you kidding me?

 

[travdogg]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

not a top 10 dynasty player

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game.

Much better than Burress

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24.

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me.

Have to handicap him with Farve's future unknown. maybe 13

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr)

To think Welker will be the 11th best after 1 good yr in a once in a lifetime season is crazy. 20th more likely

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable.

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

Brandon Marshall & Chad behind a 35 yr old with 2 decent yrs left at most. ???

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

This is absolutely rediculous. With his talent he will succeed anywhere. Not top 5, but 17???

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value.

just awful

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though.

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.

You should be ashamed of yourself for this one

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season.

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher.

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside.

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3.

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

First off, I like the time and effort you put in, but I have to say there are so many problems with these rankings between the #5 and #20, I pray my other league members read this and use it for future trades and drafts.

It wasn't terrible till Holmes? 85 at 17? Brandon Marshall QUIETLY led league in targets? Boldin @ 21? Jennings and Holmes Top 10?? Calvin Johnson behind TO? Are you kidding me?

Why is Holmes at #9 terrible? He put up 900-8 in 12 games this year. He has no QB questions and is entering his 3rd season, plus he saw well under 100 targets meaning he really has nowhere to go but up and Pittsburgh seems to be becoming more of a passing team.Boldin, just has too many durability issues for me to put him in the top-15(I love how he plays though)

Calvin Johnson is going to be a bust IMO, I probably have him too high.

I can't see Marshall getting much better(unless Denver starts throwing 50 times a game) and he'll lose targets to a healthy Walker.

 

[kethnaab]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like. agreed on first 3, although Fitz is just as talented. His situation isn't as good, however.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid. Agreed again on 4-6. Smith (and Delhomme) are going to make noise. That "something" you feel about Fitz and Arizona is their uncertain QB situation.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game. Burress that high, IMHO, is nuts. Andre Johnson is top 5 also. He's a freak.

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24. not in 2008 though. The line isn't good enough to buy Ben enough time to hit the deep passes. Look for Ward to continue to suck up passes along with Heath Miller. Quick outs and slants are all Ben can manage until he gets chased from the pocket. At least he's an excellent scrambling QB (to his right, at least)

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me. Favre will come back next year, and Jennings will be top 5. After that is anyone's guess.

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr) He's ranked about right in a PPR. Next year, teams will develop schemes to limit his ability to be open all the damn time.

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable. 12-15 baffle me. Not sure why you have them so high

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value. Walker is a punk, and a fragile punk at that. He might "return", but Cutler loves Marshall to death. Get this guy into your top 10 already

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though. bust

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now. we'll agree to disagree on this one.

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's. injury issues with him scare me away entirely

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season. I think you can move this guy up a bit. He is Seattle's #1 when he was healthy. Look for him and Engram to trade #s starting in 2008 (i.e. 90/1200 for Hackett) Receiving corps helps keep him from getting doubled, but also allows Hasselbeck to spread it out more. Engram is old though, so it should be just him and Branch who is a perpetual #2, aside from NE SBs

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher. I'm sure my personal feelings for him affect this, but this guy is lucky to be top 30. He had 1 good season in 2004 and has played all of 2 seasons (out of 6). He's not even worth drafting as a WR3

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over. Gonzalez belongs here. Harrison will not be Indy's #2 for more than the first 5 or 6 games in 2008.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around. he will get the ball a ton next year. He'll be doing the slants to keep Ben alive.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside. I'd switch Cotch and Coles, personally. Coles is 30, Cotch is 25. Granted, they still need someone to get them the ball

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3. I think he's a solid WR3 in deeper leagues

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough. agreed on all points

gotta disagree heavily starting pretty early in the draft although I mostly agree overall on who the top 10 are

Housh & Plax need to leave the top 10. Colston and Boldin need to be in the top 10

Colston and Plax - yesHoush and Boldin - no

Housh and Colston are top 10. Plax and Boldin aren't top 10. Maybe if Plax and Boldin were consistently healthy...

Why is Holmes at #9 terrible? He put up 900-8 in 12 games this year. He has no QB questions and is entering his 3rd season, plus he saw well under 100 targets meaning he really has nowhere to go but up and Pittsburgh seems to be becoming more of a passing team.

He had under 100 targets because the Steelers have Heath Miller and Hines Ward to throw to and despite the Steelers throwing more in the red zone, they are still near the bottom of the NFL in passing attempts, year in and year out. The Steelers' 3 main targets (Miller, Ward and Holmes) all had reasonably similar #s in 06 as compared to 07, aside from red zone touches, and Ben had almost 70 less attempts. Unless the offense starts relying on Holmes for quick slants a la Wes Welker, I wouldn't think he'd be top 10 material, nor top 15.

Boldin, just has too many durability issues for me to put him in the top-15(I love how he plays though)

Calvin Johnson is going to be a bust IMO, I probably have him too high.

I can't see Marshall getting much better(unless Denver starts throwing 50 times a game) and he'll lose targets to a healthy Walker.

agreed about Boldin and Calvin Johnson, but I think you're way off-base with Marshall.

 

[EBF]

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

85 is the real WR in Cincy.

 

[LBH]

I can't really see Colston getting more than 80 catches with Bush around, and Duece will take some of those TD's back.I really think Colston is an 1100-8 type guy.

Colston finished with 98 rec 1202yds and 11tds this year in 14 GS. Bush was around almost the whole season. He has 168rec 2240yds and 19tds in his 1st 2 seasons. He has little competition for RZ targets and stability at QB. If this isnt a dynasty wr stud I dont know what is.

 

[Modog814]

I can't really see Colston getting more than 80 catches with Bush around, and Duece will take some of those TD's back.I really think Colston is an 1100-8 type guy.

Colston finished with 98 rec 1202yds and 11tds this year in 14 GS. Bush was around almost the whole season. He has 168rec 2240yds and 19tds in his 1st 2 seasons. He has little competition for RZ targets and stability at QB. If this isnt a dynasty wr stud I dont know what is.

This was with about 3 weeks of bad (hurt?) play from him in weeks 5, 6, 7 where he had a combined 8-78-1 in those 3 games.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It appears Cotchery will again be undervalued by many going forward in dyansty especially those in ppr leagues.

The kid is 25 and coming off a 82 catch season with 1129 yards on a team that was absolutley stagnet on offense with rotating QB's. His 2 TD's this season were low, but those TD's will come up.

So lets see at the age of 24 he catches 82 balls for 961 yards and 5td's.

So the last 2 years he has 164 catches, 2090 yards and 8 td's.

Cotchery can be had for cheap because he is not flashy, however if you like consitency he is a great play. In ppr leagues he finished 19th last season and 20th this season. I would find it hard for anyone to rank him outside of the top 25 wr's in dynasty.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

It appears Cotchery will again be undervalued by many going forward in dyansty especially those in ppr leagues. The kid is 25 and coming off a 82 catch season with 1129 yards on a team that was absolutley stagnet on offense with rotating QB's. His 2 TD's this season were low, but those TD's will come up.So lets see at the age of 24 he catches 82 balls for 961 yards and 5td's.So the last 2 years he has 164 catches, 2090 yards and 8 td's. Cotchery can be had for cheap because he is not flashy, however if you like consitency he is a great play. In ppr leagues he finished 19th last season and 20th this season. I would find it hard for anyone to rank him outside of the top 25 wr's in dynasty.

Coles only played 11 games this year.I have no idea if this helped Cotchery in allowing him more looks or hurt himby allowing double teams, but it's something to be taken into account when evaluating Cotchery for next season.

 

[mozzy84]

swap holmes for marshall then plax and colston and I really like these rankings. Nice job putting them out there.

 

[cstu]

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

I'm shocked at Curtis in the top 35 but not Santana Moss, I can't stress that enough.

 

[travdogg]

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

I'm shocked at Curtis in the top 35 but not Santana Moss, I can't stress that enough.

Moss just missed the cut. I like Moss as a player(he carried me in 05') but the numbers aren't there and Campbell doesn't seem to favor him like Brunell did. What you are left with is a 28-29 year old WR who hasn't had a top-30 season in 2 years and is switching to an offense that doesn't suit his skills.I read someone compared Moss' career path to Galloway's and I agree, Moss is good but as long as he is in Washington I won't rank him in a top-30 until he earns it.

 

[KoolKat]

1. Reggie Wayne, extremely safe, no worries about attitude or situation and he's only 29 which is the prime of a WR.

2. Randy Moss, hard not to put him first but I just don't trust him to stay out of trouble, plus I suspect he may leave NE if/when they win the SB.

3. Braylon Edwards, he's younger than AJ and more talented than Fitz, what's not to like.

4. Steve Smith, when Delhomme is healthy he is great, Moore showed flashes and Smith as a WR has no weaknesses.

5. Larry Fitzgerald, can't put him lower, something about Fitz(and Arizona in general) just worries me.

6.TJ Houshmandzadeh, #85 may leave and when that happens Housh could see about 125 catches, he's boring, but solid.

7. Plaxico Burress, yeah he's 31 but, I really like this Giants passing game in the near future(REALLY LIKE!)

not a top 10 dynasty player

8. Andre Johnson, great talent, but his upside has a cap until they get a consistent running game.

Much better than Burress

9. Santonio Holmes, he looks like another Steve Smith to me, 1200-12 this year wouldn't surprise me and he's only 24.

10. Greg Jennings, see Holmes, Favre's impending retirement(has to happen before Roethlisberger right?) make him a little lower than Holmes for me.

Have to handicap him with Farve's future unknown. maybe 13

11.Wes Welker, fits the Patriots system perfectly, annual 1100-8 seasons are reasonable(even higher in a ppr)

To think Welker will be the 11th best after 1 good yr in a once in a lifetime season is crazy. 20th more likely

12. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite player in the NFL, 32 and with a chronic knee, could even be lower but I wouldn't dare put him behind...

13. Roy Williams, this guy is very talented, but Detroit baffles me(rumors he might be in his last year in Detroit seem unlikely, I can't imagine they'd let him leave) double digit TD's seem unlikely.

14. Dwayne Bowe, only 23, never sees a double team with Gonzo and 8 in the box, his QB is the only thing holding him back, I'd buy while he's still affordable.

15. Lee Evans, MR. Inconsistent, I like the direction Buffalo is heading and he's more talented than half the guys ahead of him but I wouldn't be comforable starting him in any given week.

16. Terrell Owens, I imagine he's too low, but I suffered through Harrison last year and as another post put it, if Owens sucks/gets hurt this year his value is shot.

Brandon Marshall & Chad behind a 35 yr old with 2 decent yrs left at most. ???

17. Chad Johnson, needs Palmer more than Palmer needs him, if he leaves Cincy this ranking will be too high, has only scored in like 7 games in the last two years.

This is absolutely rediculous. With his talent he will succeed anywhere. Not top 5, but 17???

18. Brandon Marshall, quietly led the NFL in targets last season, Walker returning will hurt his value.

just awful

19. Calvin Johnson, I though he looked terrible in the few games I saw him in, drops the ball alot and couldn't get seperation, he was a rookie though and he's supposed to be a A+ caliber athlete, can't put him ahead of anyone above him though.

20. Marques Colston, something about this guy I don't like, he's solid but his numbers seem unlikely to ever go up from what they are now.

You should be ashamed of yourself for this one

21. Anquan Boldin, needs to stay healthy but won't because of high contact style(and QB's laying him out to dry, seriously Kurt knock that off) also doesn't get enough TD's.

22. DJ Hackett, I really like this guy, whenever he's healthy he's very productive and he'll likely be Seattle's go-to guy this season.

23. Javon Walker, I don't see him and Marshall being all that different over the next 2 years or so after that well...that's why Marshall is higher.

24. Donald Driver, he's solid but the lack of TD's hurt and if/when Favre leaves Driver probably suffers the most.

25. Roddy White, 1200-6 with turd ferguson behind center, that said he'll likely be breaking in a rookie and that really limits his upside 1200-6 might be his upside.

26. Marvin Harrison, still Indy's WR2 and I think he'll play another 2-3 years but his 1200-10 days seem over.

27. Bernard Berrian, I can't imagine the Bears let him go, which is why he is unlikely to ever be consistent(coming from a Bears fan)

28. Lavernues Coles, solid possession receiver good for about 1100-5 every year, surprised he's already 30.

29. Hines Ward, Holmes has passed him up but, he still gets his share especially in the redzone a good WR3 to have around.

30. Jerricho Cotchery, I just don't think he's as good as Coles and Coles has little upside.

31. Anthony Gonzalez, this is assuming Harrison starts for another 2 years, I really like this guy, a great guy to get as long as he isn't in your top-3.

32. Sidney Rice, has talent but, Minnesota throws about as effectively as Emmitt Smith speaks(they try but perhaps they shouldn't)

33. Ronald Curry, good WR, bad offense

34. Joey Galloway, he'll finish around 15-20th next year, after that is anyone's guess.

35. Kevin Curtis, 1/3rd of his TD's came on fumble recoveries, I can't stress that enough.

First off, I like the time and effort you put in, but I have to say there are so many problems with these rankings between the #5 and #20, I pray my other league members read this and use it for future trades and drafts.

It wasn't terrible till Holmes? 85 at 17? Brandon Marshall QUIETLY led league in targets? Boldin @ 21? Jennings and Holmes Top 10?? Calvin Johnson behind TO? Are you kidding me?

Why is Holmes at #9 terrible? He put up 900-8 in 12 games this year. He has no QB questions and is entering his 3rd season, plus he saw well under 100 targets meaning he really has nowhere to go but up and Pittsburgh seems to be becoming more of a passing team.Boldin, just has too many durability issues for me to put him in the top-15(I love how he plays though)

Calvin Johnson is going to be a bust IMO, I probably have him too high.

I can't see Marshall getting much better(unless Denver starts throwing 50 times a game) and he'll lose targets to a healthy Walker.

We most likely will not even have Walker next season.I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers. I believe they will revert back to their old, winning ways in the future. I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

I agree, if you think Calvin will be a bust, by all means you shouldn't even have him in the Top 35. I, on the other hand think he will be a beast. I guess time will tell. And I will hold you to that statement.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

If Owens' dynasty value is this low he's definitely a guy I'm going after this year.

Give me two seasons of T.O. over a lifetime of Evans/Bowe any day.

 

[kethnaab]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

not williams, agreed on all others.

 

[travdogg]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

not williams, agreed on all others.

I'd enjoy all 12 of Boldin's games. I guess I'm higher on Burress than anyone else, I'm buying into Eli and the Giants and Plax put up 1000-12 at about 60% health.

 

[DoubleG]

I can't really see Colston getting more than 80 catches with Bush around, and Duece will take some of those TD's back.I really think Colston is an 1100-8 type guy.

First off, I disagree - he had 1200 yards on 98 with 11 TD's in only 14 games this season (and Bush was around for most of it) - and let's not forget how long it took the Saints to get their offense on track.Secondly, even at 1100-8, that would be right around WR15 most years. I just don't see him dropping off barring injury though. Brees loves him in the RZ. I see Colston as a borderline top 10 WR for quite sometime.

 

[KoolKat]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

not williams, agreed on all others.

Good point about the Steelers. I was unaware of those enlightening stats. There is the matter of TDs however. Big Ben had never had a 20 TD season prior to this one. They had 7 less TDs in 07 than they did in '06 rushing the ball. If they are more devoted to the run in the Red Zone, they will most likely decrease the passing TDs and increase the rushing TDs next season. Perhaps I am just too unfamiliar with the Steelers being a passing powerhouse, that I find it unconceivable.

 

[KoolKat]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

not williams, agreed on all others.

I'd enjoy all 12 of Boldin's games. I guess I'm higher on Burress than anyone else, I'm buying into Eli and the Giants and Plax put up 1000-12 at about 60% health.

You downgrade Boldin, because he is injured too often (in your opinion), yet you think Plax is the man eventhough he was injured all season?Boldin has never had a season where he played less than 10 games. He has two complete seasons, and one that was 14 games. Holmes actually only played ONE more game than Boldin this year. So, a 12 game season by Boldin is actually an anomally in his career. Boldin also had 1 more TD and 19 more catches than Holmes in one less game.

 

[travdogg]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin, Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.

not williams, agreed on all others.

I'd enjoy all 12 of Boldin's games. I guess I'm higher on Burress than anyone else, I'm buying into Eli and the Giants and Plax put up 1000-12 at about 60% health.

You downgrade Boldin, because he is injured too often (in your opinion), yet you think Plax is the man eventhough he was injured all season?Boldin has never had a season where he played less than 10 games. He has two complete seasons, and one that was 14 games. Holmes actually only played ONE more game than Boldin this year. So, a 12 game season by Boldin is actually an anomally in his career. Boldin also had 1 more TD and 19 more catches than Holmes in one less game.

Plax didn't miss any games and has a better QB than Boldin. Holmes is a 3rd year WR just hitting his stride who finished with better numbers this season(in non-ppr leagues)I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

 

[EBF]

I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

Weaaaaak. He's been in the league for 5 years and he's had over 1,200 yards 3 times including 2 seasons of 1,375+ yards. Boldin is a stud. He's a lock for 1,100+ yards every season he's healthy. You can't say that about more than a handful of the receivers in the NFL.

 

[travdogg]

I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

Weaaaaak. He's been in the league for 5 years and he's had over 1,200 yards 3 times including 2 seasons of 1,375+ yards. Boldin is a stud. He's a lock for 1,100+ yards every season he's healthy. You can't say that about more than a handful of the receivers in the NFL.

I'm not questioning Boldin's talent at all. I just don't think he'll stay healthy and I don't like the Cards. Plus he's clearly the #2 WR especially in the red zone.

 

[KoolKat]

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.

They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin' date=' Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.[/quote']not williams, agreed on all others.

I'd enjoy all 12 of Boldin's games.

I guess I'm higher on Burress than anyone else, I'm buying into Eli and the Giants and Plax put up 1000-12 at about 60% health.

You downgrade Boldin, because he is injured too often (in your opinion), yet you think Plax is the man eventhough he was injured all season?

Boldin has never had a season where he played less than 10 games. He has two complete seasons, and one that was 14 games. Holmes actually only played ONE more game than Boldin this year. So, a 12 game season by Boldin is actually an anomally in his career. Boldin also had 1 more TD and 19 more catches than Holmes in one less game.

Plax didn't miss any games and has a better QB than Boldin. Holmes is a 3rd year WR just hitting his stride who finished with better numbers this season(in non-ppr leagues)

I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

Injury is not defined by missing games.

Holmes also had one more game than Boldin had, and he only beat Boldin by 91 yards, and Boldin had one more TD than he did. So, by normal scoring, he beat Boldin by 3 points while having one more game. As you said before, Boldin beats him in PPR, as I say again, in one LESS game. There is no reason to consider Boldin fragile , considering he has played in 85 % of possible games he could be in.

The 3rd year WR Breakout is a myth. It has been proven that 2nd year guys break out just as often. Look no further than Mark Clayton to debunk that concept.

As far as, "he only had two huge games." I personally do not subscribe to the, "if you take these plays out" philosophy. Plus, Boldin has been one of the most consistant WR over the last half decade.

 

[travdogg]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.

Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

if Hester can develop enuff to catch 50 for 800yards and say 5TD with his return stats(for leagues that allow/use it) would he make the list? The way the Bears used him at the end it seems he may get 3-5 bubble screens alone a game to try to get him the ball in space.

 

[KoolKat]

I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

Weaaaaak. He's been in the league for 5 years and he's had over 1,200 yards 3 times including 2 seasons of 1,375+ yards. Boldin is a stud. He's a lock for 1,100+ yards every season he's healthy. You can't say that about more than a handful of the receivers in the NFL.

I'm not questioning Boldin's talent at all. I just don't think he'll stay healthy and I don't like the Cards. Plus he's clearly the #2 WR especially in the red zone.

As far as WRs go, how can you not like the Cards from a fantasy perspective? They are almost always behind at some point in the game, and pass more than anyone I can think of. How can you say Boldin is clearly the #2 guy in the redzone when he had 9 TDs in 12 games last year, while Fitzy only had 10 in 15 games? Clearly, Fitzy is not the CLEAR #1 in the redzone by any means.

 

[KoolKat]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I knew that and am not a paying subscriber. What do I win?

 

[KoolKat]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I knew that and am not a paying subscriber. What do I win?

A NEEEEEEEEEWWWW Caarrrrr!!!!

 

[travdogg]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I'm not saying WR's automatically breakout in their 3rd year(obviously they don't) but many do(because of circumstances/situation), and Holmes looks like he will be the next.

 

[DoubleG]

if Hester can develop enuff to catch 50 for 800yards and say 5TD with his return stats(for leagues that allow/use it) would he make the list? The way the Bears used him at the end it seems he may get 3-5 bubble screens alone a game to try to get him the ball in space.

If the Bears throw Hester 3-5 of those "easy to read - 7 man gang tackle on the play the entire stadium knows is coming" bubble screens every game, I'll probably hang myself sometime around week 4.IMHO, if you watch Bears football, Hester is much more effective (and more of a threat) running fly patterns - with his speed, he kills the corner within 20 yards and safeties aren't able to get over in time to help - on top of that, he has outrun the safety deep anyway on many occasions. Hester certainly has issues in terms of learning the position - and he doesn't exactly seem to be a quick study. If he is going to make the list, it would be near the very bottom as a flier.

 

[KoolKat]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I'm not saying WR's automatically breakout in their 3rd year(obviously they don't) but many do(because of circumstances/situation), and Holmes looks like he will be the next.

That is exactly what I am arguing against. Your conclusion does not follow your premises.- Some 3rd Year WRs break out.Conclusion: Holmes will break outI am arguing that you can use this logic to apply to the 2nd year WR just as often, therefore it is flawed. Holmes may very well break into stud status, but it will not be because of the year he is in. It will be because he is in a good situation and he is a good player. I believe Boldin is in the same spot and has already made his break.

 

[travdogg]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I'm not saying WR's automatically breakout in their 3rd year(obviously they don't) but many do(because of circumstances/situation), and Holmes looks like he will be the next.

That is exactly what I am arguing against. Your conclusion does not follow your premises.- Some 3rd Year WRs break out.Conclusion: Holmes will break outI am arguing that you can use this logic to apply to the 2nd year WR just as often, therefore it is flawed. Holmes may very well break into stud status, but it will not be because of the year he is in. It will be because he is in a good situation and he is a good player. I believe Boldin is in the same spot and has already made his break.

Ok, I can see what the miscommunication was.I wasn't arguing Holmes will breakout because he's in his 3rd year, I'm arguing he'll breakout and he happens to be in his 3rd year. I guess I may have skewed that point by throwing Edwards and White into it. I've never bought into the whole 3rd year WR rule, but I do buy into a guy improving in his 3rd year from his 2nd year. Just like a 2nd year player, improves on his rookie year and so on until about the 5th year. Typically a guy is as good as he's going to get by his 5th year(in most cases.) Which brings me to Boldin, again I like him, but his style leads to injuries(which he's already had) and to a shorter career. Holmes was just as good as Boldin this year and Holmes is still improving. I think Boldin has already had his best season.

 

[sheerterror]

I don't think Mark Clayton is much of an example of debunking the myth.Use someone more in line with Holmes' talent, I'd say somewhere between Braylon Edwards and Roddy White, who both broke out in their 3rd year.

I am not referring to that as my proof, just anecdotal evidence. FootballGuys did a study themselves, that proved that the 3rd Year WR Breakout idea is a myth. You would know that if you were a paying subscriber.

I'm not saying WR's automatically breakout in their 3rd year(obviously they don't) but many do(because of circumstances/situation), and Holmes looks like he will be the next.

So....I've got to ask this. I know everyone has piled up on you about the Colston ranking, but - how can you have Jennings and Holmes ranked substantially ahead of Colston despite the fact that 1) Colston is the clear WR1 on his team 2) has outperformed both thus far in their careers and 3) is also entering his 3rd year, so is just as likely to "break out"? If we are operating under the assumption that being a 3rd year WR means you have a high likelihood to break out, then who is to say that Colston won't continue to not only produce, but actually improve his numbers as he reaches his full potential/prime? I just don't get how you could justify ranking this guy as a low WR2 despite that in his first two seasons, with minimal help across from him, he has produced as a high end WR1, simply stating that "his numbers don't seem like they will ever go up"? ...This based on what exactly?Edit: You said you see him as a consistent 1100-8 guy, meanwhile a projected annual 1100-8 from Welker has him 9 spots higher. Again, I don't mean to pile on, I'd just like to hear some more insight on this...there seems to be some inconsistencies in these rankings, this just being one of the examples.

 

[travdogg]

Thanks for all the responses. Edited for 2-19

1. Reggie Wayne, safe, steady, and in his prime.

2. Randy Moss, I think he'll stay in NE and not many teams can do what the Giants did to NE.

3. Andre Johnson, if only he wouldn't have been wasted by having to play with Carr for so long.

4. Braylon Edwards, Has no weaknesses as a WR, plus he's only in his 4th year.

5. Terrell Owens, hear me out, I think he'll play until 40, nobody is in better shape(or craves the lime-light as much) and Romo loves him. 3 more top-5 years are likely.

6. Steve Smith, a healthy Delhomme will help, was the #1 WR when Jake went down.

7. Chad Johnson, he'll stay in Cincy and despite weekly inconsistency, he is very consistent year to year.

8. Santonio Holmes, probably the last chance to get him before he's almost untouchable.

9. Marques Colston, I admit I was too low initially on him, I don't see him getting much better but 1200-11 seasons don't exactly grow on trees.

10. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, I think the Bengals offense will rebound and TJ may very well lead the NFL in catches again.

11. Larry Fitzgerald, I love the guy, however Leinart and an increased emphasis on the running game will hold him back. Mainly Leinart.

12. Greg Jennings, very similar to Holmes only with less certainty at QB.

13. Plaxico Burress, I was too high on him before, that's what happens when you rank guys after they torch Al Harris.

14. Brandon Marshall, I think he's overrated by most, he led the NFL in targets last year, how exactly can he get much better unless Cutler throws 50 times a game?

15. Lee Evans, he's one of the 5-6 most talented WR's in the league, Buffalo's offense holds him back though.

16. Roy Williams, been hurt 3 of 4 years, top-10 when healthy but not healthy enough.

17. Torry Holt, maybe my favorite NFL player, chronic knee issue knocks him this low.

18. Roddy White, 1200-6 with NFL Europe QB's, if they get a real one he could be up near Colston.

19. Wes Welker, Brady loves him and he's a lock for 80-90 catches.

20. Dwayne Bowe, has TO-like potential, also has Herm calling the shots, could be great in a year or 2.

21. Anquan Boldin, see Roy Williams.

22. Calvin Johnson, elite athlete, looked average at best as a rookie but too much potential to be lower.

23. Donald Driver, was unlucky too only score 2 TD's, could easily be back up to 7-8 per year for another 2 years or so.

24. Javon Walker, likely to be cut by Denver, he'd be a great fit in Tampa, likely will only sign somewhere he thinks he'll be the WR1.

25. D.J. Hackett, gotta think Seattle brings him back, solid when he's been healthy could be a good buy-low.

26. Santana Moss, benefits from Saunders leaving, 2005 looks like it will be Moss' career year.

27. Chris Chambers, seemed to click with Rivers, can't be trusted, put together a nice half season for about the 5th straight year.

28. Anthony Gonzalez, great guy to have around, I see about 2 more years of Harrison then Gonzo should take off.

29. Joey Galloway, he's old but he's probably got 1-2 more top-20 years in him.

30.. Patrick Crayton, really underrated, new contract makes it likely he's Romo's WR2 for the upcoming future.

31. Marvin Harrison, I could see him bouncing back to about 1100-9 or doing nothing, hardest guy to rank, is the injury a sign of things to come or a fluke in an otherwise healthy career?

32. Vincent Jackson, was his playoff performance a fluke or a sign of things to come? I'm leaning slightly toward fluke,

33. Jerricho Cotchery, Clemens looks awful, as do the Jets in general, maybe he should be higher but he looks unlikely to ever be a great WR and he's on a running team.

34. Bernard Berrian, assuming the Bears re-sign him his value will always be average and he'll be inconsistent.

35. Lavernaues Coles, he's better than Cotchery IMO, but his age and contract squabbles knock him down.

 

[Banger]

14. Brandon Marshall, I think he's overrated by most, he led the NFL in targets last year, how exactly can he get much better unless Cutler throws 50 times a game?

More td's? He had the fewest among the top 12 wr's. There's also a good chance that he'll continue to be among the top in targets due to the type of wr he is. It was his 1st year as a starter and 2nd year in the league so there are a lot of ways he can improve his game. As a 1st year starter he was #6 among wr's in yardage and he's also going into his 3rd year so he's due for a breakout as well, no?

 

[kethnaab]

I can't really see Colston getting more than 80 catches with Bush around, and Duece will take some of those TD's back.I really think Colston is an 1100-8 type guy.

First off, I disagree - he had 1200 yards on 98 with 11 TD's in only 14 games this season (and Bush was around for most of it) - and let's not forget how long it took the Saints to get their offense on track.

Secondly, even at 1100-8, that would be right around WR15 most years. I just don't see him dropping off barring injury though. Brees loves him in the RZ. I see Colston as a borderline top 10 WR for quite sometime.

Colston wasn't supposed to be good when he came into the league, then blew everyone away by catching more balls than any 2 other WRs combined on that team. So everyone says "fluke".

What's he do? he annihilates his rookie season with a "breakout" year in 2007. Does anyone honestly think that Brees doesn't like throwing to a 6'4 stud? He's the undisputed #1 receiver on a team that set a record for pass attempts last year and will throw the ball a ton this year.

I think Holmes is the beneficiary of what was a remarkable lack of devotion to the rush by the Steelers.

common misconception. The Steelers ran the ball 469 times (1992/16 TDs) in 2006, 511 times (2168/9 TDs) in 2007. The Steelers threw the ball almost 80 MORE times in 2006 than 2007.

They passed less. Ben just played to his potential and both Holmes and Miller got better along with him.

I would put Boldin' date=' Colston, 85, Johnson, Williams, Welker, and Marshall ahead of him. I would also put Plax behind him.[/quote']not williams, agreed on all others.

Good point about the Steelers. I was unaware of those enlightening stats. There is the matter of TDs however. Big Ben had never had a 20 TD season prior to this one. They had 7 less TDs in 07 than they did in '06 rushing the ball. If they are more devoted to the run in the Red Zone, they will most likely decrease the passing TDs and increase the rushing TDs next season. Perhaps I am just too unfamiliar with the Steelers being a passing powerhouse, that I find it unconceivable.

I can see where you're coming from and it is a sligh tconcern to me as well, but the offensive line is terrible, and Ben proved that he is VERY dangerous in the red zone. The OC really pushed the red zone pass last season, and aside from NYG and Miami, Ben had multiple TDs in 9 of the last 11 games. If it was the 'same old' OC, I'd go along with it, because "Pittsburgh = passing" is simply foreign to me. However, Cowher is gone, there's a new sheriff in town, yadda yadda yadda...

Plax didn't miss any games and has a better QB than Boldin. Holmes is a 3rd year WR just hitting his stride who finished with better numbers this season(in non-ppr leagues)I like Boldin, but I don't trust him at all, he had a huge game against Atlanta and a huge game against Baltimore other than that he was average at best.

Warner is a much better fantasy QB than Eli. Boldin is far too talented to just blow him off. If Warner comes back or if Leinart shows promise, Boldin jettisons upward. His upside is far too high to ignore. He's had 9 games with 10+ catches and 100+ yards, and another 11 games with > 100 yards. He's one of the rare WRs that can win a game for you practically by himself. You simply cannot blow off a rookie who nails 100 catches and nearly 1400 yards.

So....I've got to ask this. I know everyone has piled up on you about the Colston ranking, but - how can you have Jennings and Holmes ranked substantially ahead of Colston despite the fact that 1) Colston is the clear WR1 on his team 2) has outperformed both thus far in their careers and 3) is also entering his 3rd year, so is just as likely to "break out"? If we are operating under the assumption that being a 3rd year WR means you have a high likelihood to break out, then who is to say that Colston won't continue to not only produce, but actually improve his numbers as he reaches his full potential/prime?

agreed. I'm high on both Jennings and Holmes, and I believe they will both prove to be "the real deal", but Colston has already proven that he is "the real deal" and he is the #1 target in a heavily pass-oriented offense.

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