WR for the Phila Eagles for 2006 (1 Viewer)

[Death and Taxes]

This was addressed somewhat in another lengthy post. I want feedback on what's available free agent wise. Any comments on the list below or other options?

Wide Receiver

It's obvious that we need help at this position. It's amazing how much better the WCO runs when you have receivers that are talented especially since the Eagles pass 60% of the time. Hopefully the front office is past the point where they believe that we cannot just put any WR out on the field.

Although there may not be that one superstar WR out there that is an absolute gamebreaker as far as free agents goes, there seems to be some help available.

The big name WR out there is Reggie Wayne. Although I think he would improve the Eagles, I do not like his price tag for what he will bring to the table. I would rather them spend big cap money on OL/DL help. Most of us recognize that he may just be a product of the system in Ind. There is other free agent help out there that I like not necessarily in order of preferance:

First tier:

Antonio Bryant: Had a career year with Trent Dilfer as his QB. This guy has some game breaking capability is young and should be on the Eagles radar. Probably my prime choice.

David Givens: See what the market commands. Young player and may be a pricey FA. Is he a product of Tom Brady? Worth taking a shot on depending on the price tag.

Antwan Randle El: Is a gamebreaker that can also return punts with some questionable WR weaknesses. Not my first choice at WR but he is better than what they have except for maybe Reggie Brown.

Brandon Lloyd: A roll of the dice if anything if the Eagles come up short at this postion in free agency. The guy has talent but may some some behavior issues. Wouldnt you have issues if you were a WR for the 49ers for the past two years?

Joe Jurevicius: Not a game breaker but I would be happy just for a veteran who can catch and run routes.

Keenan McCardell: See above explanation.

Other names if the Eagles come up short and want to gamble with a FA signing and a high draft choice:

Arnaz Battle(restricted), Jabar Gaffney: products of struggling offenses

Rod Gardner

Restricted free agents: Kevin Curtis, Shaun McDonald, Nate Burleson,

And of course there are they veteran WR's that will be cut or looking to be traded like Eric Moulds, who can help the Eagles.

 

[Jason Wood]

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention. The one guy I keep hearing about and hope we stay far, far away from is Moulds. His productivity has been on a six year decline, no reason to think that magically changes in a complext new offense at his age.

 

[Bri]

they keep drafting wideouts, it's about time one produces enough to stop the FA talk

 

[gbill2004]

Kevin Curtis would be huge if they could sign him - he has proven to be capable of full time #1 WR duties.

 

[Fantasy Man]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

 

[JaxBill]

One name to keep an eye on is Jimmy Smith. The Jags keep saying they want to keep him, but they have 2 first-rounders plus Ernest Wilford waiting in the wings.

 

[hutchins929]

Charles Rogers in a trade with Detroit

 

[JAA]

Philly needs speed. I would want either Randel El or Givens. Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

 

[Jason Wood]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed. I would want either Randel El or Givens. Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys...and secondly, neither is AT ALL versed in the West Coast offense. And finally, neither is a 1st line receiver but rather complimentary players actually best suited as WR3s. Why on Earth would you want either of them. Makes NO sense.

 

[Death and Taxes]

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention.

Is Bruce a free agent? Looks like the Rams will have some decisions to make at WR. Considering that Curtis(RFA), McDonald(RFA) and Bruce might be available. Hopefully the Eagles can get one of them.

 

[Jason Wood]

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention.

Is Bruce a free agent? Looks like the Rams will have some decisions to make at WR. Considering that Curtis(RFA), McDonald(RFA) and Bruce might be available. Hopefully the Eagles can get one of them.

It's widely expected that Bruce has played his last game in St. Louis. Under the scenario, the Rams will almost certainly keep both RFAs [Curtis may get signed to an offer sheet elsewhere, not sure I can see that happening fo McDonald].

 

[-OZ-]

Reggie Brown will be a fair #1 in time, maybe not upper echelon, but good enough when you have Westbrook and LJ Smith as two of your options in the passing game.

The Eagles do need a #2 WR, but are not likely to pay for a top dog.

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed. I would want either Randel El or Givens. Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys...and secondly, neither is AT ALL versed in the West Coast offense. And finally, neither is a 1st line receiver but rather complimentary players actually best suited as WR3s. Why on Earth would you want either of them. Makes NO sense.

You're right, ARE is not flat out fast, but he's got the shiftiness I want in a WCO WR. I know he isn't versed in the offense, but he'd be able to pick it up well enough. He isn't the best fit though, so while I think he'd do fine, there are better fits both for him and the Eagles. Plus, he's likely to command more $ than the Eagles would pay. Rogers in a trade would be very interesting, does Reid want to deal with character issues again - albeit on a less public stage, but of a different variety?

The best bet IMO is either Bruce or McCardell. I'd go with Keenan right now.

 

[Jason Wood]

Reggie Brown will be a fair #1 in time, maybe not upper echelon, but good enough when you have Westbrook and LJ Smith as two of your options in the passing game.

The Eagles do need a #2 WR, but are not likely to pay for a top dog.

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys...and secondly, neither is AT ALL versed in the West Coast offense. And finally, neither is a 1st line receiver but rather complimentary players actually best suited as WR3s. Why on Earth would you want either of them. Makes NO sense.

You're right, ARE is not flat out fast, but he's got the shiftiness I want in a WCO WR. I know he isn't versed in the offense, but he'd be able to pick it up well enough. He isn't the best fit though, so while I think he'd do fine, there are better fits both for him and the Eagles. Plus, he's likely to command more $ than the Eagles would pay. Rogers in a trade would be very interesting, does Reid want to deal with character issues again - albeit on a less public stage, but of a different variety?

The best bet IMO is either Bruce or McCardell. I'd go with Keenan right now.

Charles Rogers will have no part in the Eagles, it's one thing to deal with character issues when you have the all-world talent and productivity of TO, it's entirely another to deal for a guy who has the headaches AND productivity issues. Let's remember here, Rogers is also one strike away from a year suspension for substance abuse.

 

[Sweet Love]

What about the Green Bay WRs Are any of them UFAs? I kind of think Walker is, but I could be mistaken.I just bring them up because they would obviously know the WCO.

 

[babydemon90]

Freddie Mitchell would know the system....

 

[JAA]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

 

[Blackjacks]

What about the Green Bay WRs Are any of them UFAs? I kind of think Walker is, but I could be mistaken.

I just bring them up because they would obviously know the WCO.

Walker is going into his last year of his original deal this year. He'll be a FA next offseason.

 

[Jason Wood]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

 

[Gatorman]

An interesting scenario may involve a guy like Marty Booker. Marty has a low cap number, is signed forever, and for some reason when miami talks about their receiving corps, he gets no love. If the eagles actually TRADE TO away rather than outright releasing him, I could see marty and a low pick going to philly for TO. If not, then I see a guy like Marty going for a first day pick if the fins decide to look elsewhere for a WR.

 

[Jimmy James]

An interesting scenario may involve a guy like Marty Booker. Marty has a low cap number, is signed forever, and for some reason when miami talks about their receiving corps, he gets no love. If the eagles actually TRADE TO away rather than outright releasing him, I could see marty and a low pick going to philly for TO. If not, then I see a guy like Marty going for a first day pick if the fins decide to look elsewhere for a WR.

There is no way Miami is the destination for TO.I think Booker fits in well with the Dolphins and will improve in terms of number of catches once the OL and QB situations improve more, but it is true that he might be moved. If it happens, it will be because Miami goes with the 2005 version of a Derrius Thompson -- a "good enough" second WR who won't cost as much as Booker does (around $3 million, I think).

If he is put up for trade, the Eagles would make a great deal of sense.

 

[-OZ-]

An interesting scenario may involve a guy like Marty Booker. Marty has a low cap number, is signed forever, and for some reason when miami talks about their receiving corps, he gets no love. If the eagles actually TRADE TO away rather than outright releasing him, I could see marty and a low pick going to philly for TO. If not, then I see a guy like Marty going for a first day pick if the fins decide to look elsewhere for a WR.

There is no way Miami is the destination for TO.I think Booker fits in well with the Dolphins and will improve in terms of number of catches once the OL and QB situations improve more, but it is true that he might be moved. If it happens, it will be because Miami goes with the 2005 version of a Derrius Thompson -- a "good enough" second WR who won't cost as much as Booker does (around $3 million, I think).

If he is put up for trade, the Eagles would make a great deal of sense.

I won't go so far as to say "no way", but I will agree that TO to Miami is not likely.Booker seems overpriced IMO (Not a guy Philly would want). He isn't the same player he appeared to be while in Chicago, but he is a decent #2, while Welker is a developing WR able to fill the #3 role and might just be able to step up into #2.

 

[JAA]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

 

[Jason Wood]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

JAA, you're the one who said..."the Eagles need speed." and then offered up two WRs who DON'T HAVE IT. Personally I don't see Givens or Randel El as good options, but I also recognize that they're not speed guys.My point is, why did you single those guys out as "speed" guys, when they're not?

 

[Jimmy James]

An interesting scenario may involve a guy like Marty Booker.  Marty has a low cap number, is signed forever, and for some reason when miami talks about their receiving corps, he gets no love.  If the eagles actually TRADE TO away rather than outright releasing him, I could see marty and a low pick going to philly for TO.  If not, then I see a guy like Marty going for a first day pick if the fins decide to look elsewhere for a WR.

There is no way Miami is the destination for TO.I think Booker fits in well with the Dolphins and will improve in terms of number of catches once the OL and QB situations improve more, but it is true that he might be moved. If it happens, it will be because Miami goes with the 2005 version of a Derrius Thompson -- a "good enough" second WR who won't cost as much as Booker does (around $3 million, I think).

If he is put up for trade, the Eagles would make a great deal of sense.

I won't go so far as to say "no way", but I will agree that TO to Miami is not likely.Booker seems overpriced IMO (Not a guy Philly would want). He isn't the same player he appeared to be while in Chicago, but he is a decent #2, while Welker is a developing WR able to fill the #3 role and might just be able to step up into #2.

Booker is just fine. He is the victim of a high ankle sprain, a trade to a brutal team, and a Gus Frerotte who locked on to Chris Chambers more than he should have for his own good.Is $3 million really overpriced? I seem to recall that James McKnight was getting around $1.5 million a year when he was in Miami, and that was a pretty long time ago now. If a team really believes in Booker as a viable option for 4-5 years, I really think he'd be inclined to accept a modest reduction in salary in exchange for a signing bonus and some job security. I think that would go double if Miami traded him -- he reportedly really hated what the Bears did to him because he values stability for his family.

 

[dotman]

I do not think WR is a big need like some people do. I really think we would be fine with 1 addition and that being Joe Jurevicius.

It finally looks like we found a decent WR in the draft with Reggie Brown. We have way bigger needs to be addressed in the draft this year than WR.

The Eagles do not need speed. People hate on Todd Pinkston but the bottom line is he stretches the field and you can't argue that. Losing him this past year had more of an impact than people think. Hopefully if Pinkston comes back healthy we have our deep ball guy.

Then there is Reggie who's pretty solid all around. Decent routes, good hands, decent speed...he certainly looked better as they year went on and I think it's safe to assume he progresses even more going into next year. He could catch around 60 balls this year.

Greg Lewis shouldn't be counted on as anything more than a slot WR. He's not physical enough to have a #1 or #2 WR role. I like him as a #3, rotating with Pinky in 3 WR formations.

L.J. Smith has shown he can make big plays but has not been reliable for that 7 yard catch on 3 and 6.

Joe would give McNabb a nice big target (he's 6'5" 230lbs), he has very good hands, and runs solid routes. He proved this year he can be a force in the redzone with his 10TD's. He also has underrated speed, Eagles fans should remember the big catch he had against us as a Buc in the 2003 NFC Championship game. As a veteran, he should be able to pick up the offense better than a younger guy. Another thing people forget about, is Joe is a great blocker. Westbrook likes to take it outside when it is there, and running the ball is not just about having 6 behemoths up front plowing forward every play (at least not out running game). We need WR's that can block too.

I am a believer that you do not need a bonafide #1 stud WR if you have guys that complement each other well. Sure, it would be nice, but there is no one like that available this year, so we have to look at what is out there.

Bruce would be nice as well, especially since he could hopefully lend some knowledge to our other WR's, but I am worried about his age and injury history. He would be my #2 choice, and I agree with JW, I do not want Moulds. I just really thing JJ would fit in well in Philly.

 

[MLBrandow]

I'd be willing to bet money they pursue Randel El....

 

[BeTheMatch]

Arnaz Battle(restricted),

Battle recently signed a long extension.

 

[JAA]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

JAA, you're the one who said..."the Eagles need speed." and then offered up two WRs who DON'T HAVE IT. Personally I don't see Givens or Randel El as good options, but I also recognize that they're not speed guys.My point is, why did you single those guys out as "speed" guys, when they're not?

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

 

[JAA]

I'd be willing to bet money they pursue Randel El....

Honestly, I cant see Pitts letting him go. Who would their starting WRs be?

 

[sts911911]

What about the Green Bay WRs Are any of them UFAs? I kind of think Walker is, but I could be mistaken.

I just bring them up because they would obviously know the WCO.

There's some talk that Robert Ferguson will be cut, he's due a bonus and continues to dissapoint when given a chance.

 

[The Football Freak]

I like trying to pry off one of the St Louis receivers to plug in as a number 1 or 2 on the Philly offense. Philly has a lot to offer a player who wants a chance at a championship so they will likely get very agreeable players wanting to sign on. Bruce, Curtis, and to a lesser extent McDonald, all have great hands and playmaking ability, any would make a great complementary reciever on Philly with Reggie Brown. Reid would be smart if he nudged the team to just start up talks with St. Louis in general and get one of these players.

 

[Jimmy James]

I'd be willing to bet money they pursue Randel El....

Honestly, I cant see Pitts letting him go. Who would their starting WRs be?

Ward and Wilson, possibly with a rookie drafted on the first day?

 

[LHUCKS]

Bryant = ProBowler if he goes to Philly.

 

[Jason Wood]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

JAA, you're the one who said..."the Eagles need speed." and then offered up two WRs who DON'T HAVE IT. Personally I don't see Givens or Randel El as good options, but I also recognize that they're not speed guys.My point is, why did you single those guys out as "speed" guys, when they're not?

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

 

[bts4bkfst]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed. I would want either Randel El or Givens. Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

JAA, you're the one who said..."the Eagles need speed." and then offered up two WRs who DON'T HAVE IT. Personally I don't see Givens or Randel El as good options, but I also recognize that they're not speed guys.My point is, why did you single those guys out as "speed" guys, when they're not?

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

you said:

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Randle El ran a 4.49 out of college (probably faster now) but he's not a speed guy? What are his defining characteristcs? Possesion receiver?

 

[me33]

Although not a burner--a player who I think would fit in well in Philly would be Eric Moulds. He would provide veteran leadership for a young WR core and he is stil very talented. BTW, I am a Giants homer and hope it doesnt happen.

 

[Jason Wood]

I want Bryant first, then Randle-El.

Philly needs speed.  I would want either Randel El or Givens.  Bryant would be interesting, but he had issues with Parcells regarding work ethic IIRC

Neither Randel El or Givens are speedy guys

Compared to whom?

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Well, unfortunately Chad Johnson and Randy Moss are not available.

JAA, you're the one who said..."the Eagles need speed." and then offered up two WRs who DON'T HAVE IT. Personally I don't see Givens or Randel El as good options, but I also recognize that they're not speed guys.

My point is, why did you single those guys out as "speed" guys, when they're not?

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...

Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

you said:

Compared to a WR who would be defined by his speed. You said the Eagles "need speed" yet threw out two guys who's defining characteristics do not in any way relate to speed.

Randle El ran a 4.49 out of college (probably faster now) but he's not a speed guy? What are his defining characteristcs? Possesion receiver?

Care to guess the 40-times of the Eagles current receiving corps?

 

[-OZ-]

Care to guess the 40-times of the Eagles current receiving corps?

Greg Lewis 4.46Reggie Brown 4.42

Todd Pinkston 4.48

You're right, ARE isn't a "speed guy". He is elusive and quicker than most WRs.

I just don't see Philly outbidding Washington for him.

 

[Blackjacks]

I'd be willing to bet money they pursue Randel El....

Honestly, I cant see Pitts letting him go. Who would their starting WRs be?

Ward and Wilson, possibly with a rookie drafted on the first day?

Quincy Morgan

 

[jeff_eaglz]

I don't see the reason for the dislike of Moulds in Philly.

Veteran who would come relatively cheap and try to pick up some hardware to finish out his career.

As for his numbers:

From This Post

games with Holcomb:

7 games, 54 rec, 588 yds, 4 TD

The seven Holcomb games project to 123 rec, 1344 yds, 9 TDs!!

In 2004 he had 88 catches for over 1,000 yards and 5 TDs. Sounds like #1 stats to me (albeit slightly light in the TD category).I'd take Moulds/Reggie Brown as our 1-2 with Greg Lewis in the slot. LJ and Westbrook would make the passing attack formidable.

Now - I'm saying all this to oppose those who don't like Moulds.

As for the other names, Isaac Bruce isn't a bad choice either. (He is also only 8 months older than Moulds). Now Jason....

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention.

The one guy I keep hearing about and hope we stay far, far away from is Moulds. His productivity has been on a six year decline, no reason to think that magically changes in a complext new offense at his age.

Sorry man, but you're way off here.ERIC MOULDS

YR TM G RSH YD Y/R TD TRG REC YD Y/R TD FPT 1996 BUF 16 12 44 3.7 0 20 279 13.9 2 44 1997 BUF 16 4 59 14.8 0 29 294 10.1 0 35 1998 BUF 16 0 0 0.0 0 67 1368 20.4 9 191 1999 BUF 14 1 1 1.0 0 65 994 15.3 7 142 2000 BUF 16 2 24 12.0 0 94 1326 14.1 5 165 2001 BUF 16 3 3 1.0 0 67 904 13.5 5 121 2002 BUF 16 1 7 7.0 0 180 100 1287 12.9 10 189 2003 BUF 13 0 0 0.0 0 121 64 780 12.2 1 84 2004 BUF 16 5 19 3.8 0 147 88 1043 11.9 5 136 2005 BUF 15 0 0 0.0 0 129 81 816 10.1 4 106 TOTALS 154 28 157 5.6 0 577+ 675 9091 13.5 48 1213ISAAC BRUCE

YR   TM  G	RSH	YD  Y/R	TD  TRG	REC    YD  Y/R	TD  FPT  1994	LAN	12  1 	 2  2.0	0        21   272	13.0  3   45	1995	STL	16  3  17  5.7	0       119  1781	15.0	13  258	1996	STL	16  1   4  4.0	0        84  1338	15.9  7  176	1997	STL	12  0   0  0.0	0        56   815	14.6  5  112	1998	STL  5  1  30	30.0	0        32   457	14.3  1   55	1999	STL	16  5  32  6.4	0        77  1165	15.1	12  192	2000	STL	16  1  11	11.0	0        87  1471	16.9  9  202	2001	STL	16  4  23  5.8	0        64  1106	17.3  6  1492002	STL	16  3  18  6.0	0   131  79  1075	13.6  7  151	2003	STL	15  2  17  8.5	0   118  69   981	14.2  5  133	2004	STL	16  0   0  0.0	0   140  89  1292	14.5  6  165	2005	STL	11  0   0  0.0	0    71  36   525	14.6  3   71	TOT     167	21	154  7.3	0  460+	813	12278	15.1	77	1709

Comparing 2004 between the two, Moulds and Bruce were about equal in catches and TDs, with the only difference being about 250 yards.

Moulds has a 100+ catch season since 2000, Bruce hasn't. Both have had 1000+ yard seasons in 2 of the past 4 years.

I just cannot see how you can be so high on Bruce and so low on Moulds. Bruce has a ring, Moulds doesn't. Moulds should be hungrier, IMO.

 

[JAA]

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

Now your quoting combine times?I think Givens and Randel El are provide the exact speed that the Eagles need in the secondary. I would take either of them over any Eagle WR not named TO and not with what looks to be the potential of Reggie Brown.

I dont quite understand why you are picking a fight with me brother. I LOVE the speed I have seen from both of those WRs the past 3 seasons (when Givens wasnt injured).

 

[JAA]

I like Eric Moulds, I prefer the upseide of Givens and ARE.

 

[jeff_eaglz]

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed". I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow. I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

Now your quoting combine times?I think Givens and Randel El are provide the exact speed that the Eagles need in the secondary. I would take either of them over any Eagle WR not named TO and not with what looks to be the potential of Reggie Brown.

I dont quite understand why you are picking a fight with me brother. I LOVE the speed I have seen from both of those WRs the past 3 seasons (when Givens wasnt injured).

Givens had 10 catches for 20 or more yards (out of 65 receptions) - about 15%.

Randle El had 11 out of 44, 25%. ARE also ran for a 20+ yard play.

Comparing to a deep guy, I chose Ashley Lelie. 15 of 49 catches for 20 or more yards. That's 31%.

Sure Lelie had more "deep" balls (some were catch and runs, but we get the trend), but all 3 had 10 or more plays over 20 yards.

I'll take Randle El or Givens. Just give me one of these guys to line up opposite Reggie Brown and I'll be happy.

 

[TCFF]

I don't see the reason for the dislike of Moulds in Philly.

Veteran who would come relatively cheap and try to pick up some hardware to finish out his career.

As for his numbers:

From This Post

games with Holcomb:

7 games, 54 rec, 588 yds, 4 TD

The seven Holcomb games project to 123 rec, 1344 yds, 9 TDs!!

In 2004 he had 88 catches for over 1,000 yards and 5 TDs. Sounds like #1 stats to me (albeit slightly light in the TD category).I'd take Moulds/Reggie Brown as our 1-2 with Greg Lewis in the slot. LJ and Westbrook would make the passing attack formidable.

Now - I'm saying all this to oppose those who don't like Moulds.

As for the other names, Isaac Bruce isn't a bad choice either. (He is also only 8 months older than Moulds). Now Jason....

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention.

The one guy I keep hearing about and hope we stay far, far away from is Moulds. His productivity has been on a six year decline, no reason to think that magically changes in a complext new offense at his age.

Sorry man, but you're way off here.ERIC MOULDS

 YR   TM  G RSH YD  Y/R TD  TRG REC   YD  Y/R TD   FPT  1996 BUF 16  12 44  3.7 0        20  279 13.9  2    44 1997 BUF 16   4 59 14.8 0        29  294 10.1  0    35 1998 BUF 16   0  0  0.0 0        67 1368 20.4  9   191 1999 BUF 14   1  1  1.0 0        65  994 15.3  7   142 2000 BUF 16   2 24 12.0 0        94 1326 14.1  5   165 2001 BUF 16   3  3  1.0 0        67  904 13.5  5   121 2002 BUF 16   1  7  7.0 0   180 100 1287 12.9 10   189  2003 BUF 13   0  0  0.0 0   121  64  780 12.2  1    84 2004 BUF 16   5 19  3.8 0   147  88 1043 11.9  5   136 2005 BUF 15   0  0  0.0 0   129  81  816 10.1  4   106 TOTALS  154  28 157 5.6 0  577+ 675 9091 13.5 48  1213ISAAC BRUCE

 YR   TM  G	RSH	YD  Y/R	TD  TRG	REC    YD  Y/R	TD  FPT  1994	LAN	12  1  	2  2.0	0        21   272	13.0  3   45	1995	STL	16  3  17  5.7	0       119  1781	15.0	13  258	1996	STL	16  1   4  4.0	0        84  1338	15.9  7  176	1997	STL	12  0   0  0.0	0        56   815	14.6  5  112	1998	STL  5  1  30	30.0	0        32   457	14.3  1   55	1999	STL	16  5  32  6.4	0        77  1165	15.1	12  192	2000	STL	16  1  11	11.0	0        87  1471	16.9  9  202	2001	STL	16  4  23  5.8	0        64  1106	17.3  6  1492002	STL	16  3  18  6.0	0   131  79  1075	13.6  7  151	2003	STL	15  2  17  8.5	0   118  69   981	14.2  5  133	2004	STL	16  0   0  0.0	0   140  89  1292	14.5  6  165	2005	STL	11  0   0  0.0	0    71  36   525	14.6  3   71	TOT     167	21	154  7.3	0  460+	813	12278	15.1	77	1709  

Comparing 2004 between the two, Moulds and Bruce were about equal in catches and TDs, with the only difference being about 250 yards.

Moulds has a 100+ catch season since 2000, Bruce hasn't. Both have had 1000+ yard seasons in 2 of the past 4 years.

I just cannot see how you can be so high on Bruce and so low on Moulds. Bruce has a ring, Moulds doesn't. Moulds should be hungrier, IMO.

I would love for Philly to go after practically any of the WR mentioned in this post as they are all upgrades over Pinky, Lewis, and McMullen. But I have to agree with the above poster. Moulds would be my number one choice. Bruce would be okay as well, but Bruce has had the good fortune of playing opposite Torry Holt in the high powered St. Louis Offense. Moulds has had many different Qb's and systems none of which were any good. Moulds has more upside than Bruce although both would provide some veteran leadership which we are sorely in need of. I think Joe J. would be a great addition as well, in fact, I might prefer him to Bruce as well.

 

[Jason Wood]

I don't see the reason for the dislike of Moulds in Philly.

Veteran who would come relatively cheap and try to pick up some hardware to finish out his career.

As for his numbers:

From This Post

games with Holcomb:

7 games, 54 rec, 588 yds, 4 TD

The seven Holcomb games project to 123 rec, 1344 yds, 9 TDs!!

In 2004 he had 88 catches for over 1,000 yards and 5 TDs. Sounds like #1 stats to me (albeit slightly light in the TD category).I'd take Moulds/Reggie Brown as our 1-2 with Greg Lewis in the slot. LJ and Westbrook would make the passing attack formidable.

Now - I'm saying all this to oppose those who don't like Moulds.

As for the other names, Isaac Bruce isn't a bad choice either. (He is also only 8 months older than Moulds). Now Jason....

I would personally love to see Isaac Bruce brought into the fold. Antonio Bryant intrigues me but he's just too inconsistent and not versed in the WCO to attract Reid's attention.

The one guy I keep hearing about and hope we stay far, far away from is Moulds. His productivity has been on a six year decline, no reason to think that magically changes in a complext new offense at his age.

Sorry man, but you're way off here.ERIC MOULDS

 YR   TM  G RSH YD  Y/R TD  TRG REC   YD  Y/R TD   FPT  1996 BUF 16  12 44  3.7 0        20  279 13.9  2    44 1997 BUF 16   4 59 14.8 0        29  294 10.1  0    35 1998 BUF 16   0  0  0.0 0        67 1368 20.4  9   191 1999 BUF 14   1  1  1.0 0        65  994 15.3  7   142 2000 BUF 16   2 24 12.0 0        94 1326 14.1  5   165 2001 BUF 16   3  3  1.0 0        67  904 13.5  5   121 2002 BUF 16   1  7  7.0 0   180 100 1287 12.9 10   189  2003 BUF 13   0  0  0.0 0   121  64  780 12.2  1    84 2004 BUF 16   5 19  3.8 0   147  88 1043 11.9  5   136 2005 BUF 15   0  0  0.0 0   129  81  816 10.1  4   106 TOTALS  154  28 157 5.6 0  577+ 675 9091 13.5 48  1213ISAAC BRUCE

 YR   TM  G	RSH	YD  Y/R	TD  TRG	REC    YD  Y/R	TD  FPT  1994	LAN	12  1  	2  2.0	0        21   272	13.0  3   45	1995	STL	16  3  17  5.7	0       119  1781	15.0	13  258	1996	STL	16  1   4  4.0	0        84  1338	15.9  7  176	1997	STL	12  0   0  0.0	0        56   815	14.6  5  112	1998	STL  5  1  30	30.0	0        32   457	14.3  1   55	1999	STL	16  5  32  6.4	0        77  1165	15.1	12  192	2000	STL	16  1  11	11.0	0        87  1471	16.9  9  202	2001	STL	16  4  23  5.8	0        64  1106	17.3  6  1492002	STL	16  3  18  6.0	0   131  79  1075	13.6  7  151	2003	STL	15  2  17  8.5	0   118  69   981	14.2  5  133	2004	STL	16  0   0  0.0	0   140  89  1292	14.5  6  165	2005	STL	11  0   0  0.0	0    71  36   525	14.6  3   71	TOT     167	21	154  7.3	0  460+	813	12278	15.1	77	1709  

Comparing 2004 between the two, Moulds and Bruce were about equal in catches and TDs, with the only difference being about 250 yards.

Moulds has a 100+ catch season since 2000, Bruce hasn't. Both have had 1000+ yard seasons in 2 of the past 4 years.

I just cannot see how you can be so high on Bruce and so low on Moulds. Bruce has a ring, Moulds doesn't. Moulds should be hungrier, IMO.

In Moulds you have a guy that has quite clearly progressively lost his ability to get separation...take a look at his YPR trend, it's abysmal. In Bruce [who I think would come much cheaper than Moulds by the way], you're still getting virtually the same player [i.e., 14+ YPC] he's been for some time.And Moulds has certainly had his moments as a malcontent, Bruce has NEVER been accused of that.

 

[babydemon90]

Would a WR addition be the #3 though? Reggie Brown had a promising start.....especially with the crap QB's throwing to him in the 2nd half, I think if Pinkston is back to full sped the Eagles may be inclined to start Brown and Pinkston, moving Greg Lewis back to the slot where he is a better fit.... I doubt the Eagles are going to make a big splash in the WR dept, unless they feel that Pinkston is not back to full speed, in which case I could very well see them going after someone.

 

[-OZ-]

Would a WR addition be the #3 though? Reggie Brown had a promising start.....especially with the crap QB's throwing to him in the 2nd half, I think if Pinkston is back to full sped the Eagles may be inclined to start Brown and Pinkston, moving Greg Lewis back to the slot where he is a better fit....

I doubt the Eagles are going to make a big splash in the WR dept, unless they feel that Pinkston is not back to full speed, in which case I could very well see them going after someone.

What has pinky ever done to show that he's a decent #2?

 

[JAA]

All the games I have watched each of those players exhibited what I would call "game speed".  I didnt have my stop watch, but I would not call them slow.  I would be very interested in your solid information regarding their lack of speed.

David Givens ran a 4.56 [and a 4.60] 40 coming out of college...Antwaan Randle El ran a 4.49...

Now your quoting combine times?I think Givens and Randel El are provide the exact speed that the Eagles need in the secondary. I would take either of them over any Eagle WR not named TO and not with what looks to be the potential of Reggie Brown.

I dont quite understand why you are picking a fight with me brother. I LOVE the speed I have seen from both of those WRs the past 3 seasons (when Givens wasnt injured).

Givens had 10 catches for 20 or more yards (out of 65 receptions) - about 15%.

Randle El had 11 out of 44, 25%. ARE also ran for a 20+ yard play.

Comparing to a deep guy, I chose Ashley Lelie. 15 of 49 catches for 20 or more yards. That's 31%.

Sure Lelie had more "deep" balls (some were catch and runs, but we get the trend), but all 3 had 10 or more plays over 20 yards.

I'll take Randle El or Givens. Just give me one of these guys to line up opposite Reggie Brown and I'll be happy.

I want both of them. Drop Stinkston and McMullen

 

[JAA]

I dont mind Lewis. I think he is the fastest on the team. However, I think he would be at best a 3 WR though him from the slot is less then desirable. Z should be his start, but again, I would rather have Givens, ARE, and Brown in there before him

 

[tarheel1unc]

Kevin Curtis would be huge if they could sign him - he has proven to be capable of full time #1 WR duties.

I like Kevin Curtis in this scenario. He definitely has proven himself this year when Bruce was out putting up WR1 numbers in a WR2 role. 18/336 18.6 avg 3 td1/5 1td

His total for the year as WR3, 58/803 13.8 avg 3 td compare favorably with Bruce's 35/517 14.7 avg 3 td. I think his blazing speed along with his Steve Smithish end around capabilities would make him a perfect compliment to Reggie Brown.