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WR Jameson Williams, DET (3 Viewers)
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Lansdowne
Footballguy
Goff loves to throw it to literally anybody other than Jamo. He’ll find a way to throw it to Brandon Pettigrew and David Sloan before Jamo. I’ll bet a Cowboys defender catches a Goff pass tonight before Jamo does.
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Footballguy
the man is a top 10 receiver ppg since their bye week.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I don’t let something silly like “facts” get in the way of my narrative!
Chaka
Footballguy
Been a frustrating evening. Just missed on that end around and, Goff has been putting more than a few in the dirt, not just to Jamo.
Goff didn't throw to Jamo on a great double move deep, even though he had time in the pocket. And when Goff did target him on a deep(ish) ball on the play we all thought was a free play, defensive offside, Goff put it three yards behind Jamo.
Still plenty of time to have a good game but, the missed opportunities are a bummer.
Goff didn't throw to Jamo on a great double move deep, even though he had time in the pocket. And when Goff did target him on a deep(ish) ball on the play we all thought was a free play, defensive offside, Goff put it three yards behind Jamo.
Still plenty of time to have a good game but, the missed opportunities are a bummer.
Chaka
Footballguy
Just curious, assuming redraft, have you looked at the WRs drafted around Jamo and checked their points variance on the season?
ETA: I drafted him earlier than most, DJ & McLaurin were drafted just before him in League Uno. Devonta, DK, MHJ, Emeka & Worthy directly after. I think Jamo is holding his own in that group for total points and week-to-week variance.
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TartanLion
Footballguy
He has had plenty enough boom weeks. Imo, the only reason there is this much discussion about him is because a few of the bust weeks have been so bad. 2 x 0s and a 1.5 in 0.5ppr. If he’d even accrued let’s say 5 points as a floor in each of those there wouldn’t be anywhere near as much discourse. He’s an archetype boom/bust guy that can win you weeks and has. Goose eggs just hurt to look at but how often are you losing those fantasy matches by sub 5 points ?
Like last year he will probably end up as a WR2 and that’s not a bad return at all.
Like last year he will probably end up as a WR2 and that’s not a bad return at all.
Oh sure...'celebrating'. People continuously dump on him comparing him to crappy talent then he has a good week and he is great. Then he has a bad week and he is terrible. He has has 5 very good weeks in the last 6 since I told you he was a great buy low. Too much mob mentality in this world who can't think for themselves.
My son abused me for taking him over Pearsall
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
This is now 4 out of the last 5 games. I'd say this is a very good trend.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Plus the Lions really didn't run the ball Monty and Gibbs only had 18 total carries, the Lions want that number closer to 30.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Very VERY good point. In Jamo's three worst games this season, the Lions had 33, 32, and 20 carries respectively, with the 20 carry game being the tightly-contested Giants game that went into OT. That disappearing act was probably the most inexplicable considering how pass-heavy the game script was.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
He is wr 29 in points per game and taking out his bye week, but counting Pickens bye and other wrs who had a bye after week eight is very misleading.
He has been good since week nine, not top five good.
eighsse2
Footballguy
In our CBS PPR league he is listed 13th on the list of WR with 14.5 PPG.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Not sure what site is wrong, but MFL has him at 12.5 and 29th. This is also full ppr.
eighsse2
Footballguy
PICNIC. My bad. I was looking at ROS projections. You're correct.
PFF Fantasy
Jameson Williams weeks 1-5:
7.9 PPR points per game
Jameson Williams the last 5 weeks:
17.6 PPR points per game
eighsse2
Footballguy
Can't do anything with what isn't thrown to you. If he keeps getting targets he's going to keep making plays. If he doesn't, he won't. Some of getting targeted or not is on him, some is out of his control.PFF Fantasy
Jameson Williams weeks 1-5:
Jameson Williams the last 5 weeks:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If he’d started his dive a split second earlier he’d have scored easily. Honestly can’t believe he stepped OOB on that run. IIRC the tackle missed a block, too. It really was that close.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Actually the only reason I was negative in here was when it was deserved the first month+ of the season. And I didn’t dump on him, I was critical of the coaches for hyping him up endlessly only to go on and completely ignore him in the offense.
I was also displeased with the donut last week, but that’s kinda par for the course - and also on coaches.
The one thing I remain concerned about is that his recent successes have come when LaPorta & ARSB were out/hurt.
What does his outlook look like next year when everyone’s healthy again? TBD, but I’m worried. I have him in 2 dynasty leagues and I’m glad to have shares. But I think it’s a valid concern.
Sewell of all people
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, don’t see that very often. He’s been banged up IIRC.
Harjiran
Footballguy
I was screaming and cursing. I needed that TD.
Chaka
Footballguy
It happens. Goff under threw him of what we thought was a free play and, he completely ignored him when Jameson made a great double and Goff had time in the pocket.
Jami had a really good game and just missed having a monster.
Harjiran
Footballguy
Overall I like Jamo too but on that particular play it looked like a body control issue, his legs and feet got out from under him a little as his momentum carried him toward the sideline - my immediate thought at the time was that ARSB would've stayed in bounds and scored on that play but what do I know. ARSB is more compact with a lower center of gravity, Jamo is all legs and arms and on that play his body type might have worked against him.
I agee that Goff tends to overlook Jamo when he is open - what's up with that?
eighsse2
Footballguy
The numbers 74.4, 73.8, 60.0 probably represent a big part of it. But yeah I have Williams so I would love to see him get peppered with targets every game.
(The numbers above are the catch percentages of St. Brown, LaPorta, and Williams, respectively.)
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Important to note that not all targets are created equally.
deep shots to Jamo have been far, far less accurate than short or intermediate throws to LaPorta and ARSB.
Would be valuable to include Goff’s QBR throwing over ~30 yards or whatever we choose to define as a go-route to Jamo. Watching a lot of Lions, I can anecdotally say that a high % of Jamo’s “targets” are uncatchable.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup.
12.0, 12.2 &17.8 (their yards per reception), or 8.2, 5.7 & 13 (their ADOT) are also key metrics.
People complain about Jamo's bad games, (4, 2, 0, 0 this year) but, when he sees 8, 1, 2 & 3 targets in those games should we say that he had four bad games or did he have one bad game and Goff ignored him for three?
He is getting targeted less than last year too by about 0.5 per game. So some of that may fall on the loss of Ben Johnson.
Even if people don't parse things that way and feel a bad game result is all that matters, they should know that it's the price of admission with Jamo and draft accordingly.
He's on pace for 59-1,050-8, a marginal stats improvement over last year when he finished as a mid WR2 in most formats (in 15 games). Considering where he was drafted this year that result = Profit
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Bingo. My gripe this whole time is not Jamo’s ability, it’s his usage. As a fantasy manager that’s what makes it hard to trust him. I’ve always been a believer in his ability. Whenever Jamo dropped a goose egg in my lineup, my anger was directed at the Lions for refusing to get the ball to him. The one against the Giants was the most frustrating of them all as it was exactly the game script Jamo typically thrives in.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
I salivate at the thought of what Jamo could be if he ever swapped places with Boutte. Maye with his incredible deep ball accuracy dropping dimes to him. McDaniels scheming him open. He’d be elite for fantasy. I’d say there are at least 10 teams right now he’d be their WR1 on. Too bad he’s forever stuck as second banana to the Sun God. Still very useful for fantasy but I hate seeing such a talent have his ceiling capped like that. Situation matters.
Harjiran
Footballguy
Or what if Matthew Stafford had never left?
Chaka
Footballguy
What game was it that Campbell took over? If you look at his game logs it looks like something changed in his utilization during the Minnesota game.
Over the first seven games his targets, receptions, TDs per game averaged: 4.3-2.4-41.3-0.3 over the season that projected to 73-41-702-5
Over the last six its been: 7-4.7-85.5-0.7 (that includes a game where he put up 0 catches and the game ARSB mostly missed) which projects to 119-79-1,453-11
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Half to Jamo, half to the defense. I’d be ok with it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO it coincided more with LaPorta getting hurt.
