WR Jameson Williams, DET (7 Viewers)

[Ilov80s]

One thing I will say, he’s the #1 Lion in terms of aura. Sewell is close though.

 

[BobbyLayne]

One thing I will say, he’s the #1 Lion in terms of aura. Sewell is close though.

he’s a business, man

 

[Ray_T]

Talking about exposure makes sense when you are taking about guys whose ADP has been accurately assessed. When a guy is severely undervalued, it is different. Would you be afraid of too much exposure on Puka last year expending only a late round pick if you knew he was going to explode? You would be silly not to have 100 percent exposure on picking up that insane value.

Goff is extremely particular on who he targets, probably more so than any QB in the league. If he does not trust you to be in your spot when you are suppose to, he will not even look for you. It took Jamo last year to really figure out he needs to be a perfectionist and not just rely on has speed and agility. Jamo is being elevated from WR4/WR5 to WR2 with no competition. But for some unexplained reason, the FF gods of ADP are evaluating him as if those WR5 target rates will be the same as when he is WR2. They are not accounting for the huge step in focus and maturity Jamo has taken and the chemistry and confidence he has built with Goff and Ben Johnson.

Goff and the coaches have all raved about Jamo's progress, to the point where Goff's main emphasis going into this season is improving his deep ball accuracy. Detroit was last in the league last season at taking deep shots down field. Jamo is going to have a significant role in the best offense in the NFL possessing physical skills less than a handful of players have.

I dont think Goff is being particular. hes doing what hes supposed to do. I used to play QB and I did the same thing. if my first read isnt where he should be, I move straight to the second read. what this speaks to is that his route running may not be what it should be or hes being successfully jammed at the line. I know at one point he did struggle a bit with being jammed at the line. I didnt see enough of him late in the year to say this is still a bit of an issue. and I have not seen any camp reports on him with regard to this either.

but I'm guessing this is likely what happened.

so if his route running is better thats great. his numbers will improve. and my expectation is that in year 3 he should improve. but there are still a lot of mouths to feed in this offense and beyond a certain point any new reception he has will take away from a reception someone else would get. so it's hard to rate him a WR2 for fantasy. when people look at what he did last year and see how many mouths there are to feed its no wonder they are avoiding. based on the risks hes more likely a WR3 or high end WR4 but he does have significant upside.

I'm looking to see if there are any camp reports on his ability to beat the Jam (or lack thereof) as I want to know how hes progressed in this area. If he has progressed, you could be right. he could be a WR2 in disguise.(or a high end WR3) if hes still struggling with that, he may still be a risky pick

 

[BobbyLayne]

Talking about exposure makes sense when you are taking about guys whose ADP has been accurately assessed. When a guy is severely undervalued, it is different. Would you be afraid of too much exposure on Puka last year expending only a late round pick if you knew he was going to explode? You would be silly not to have 100 percent exposure on picking up that insane value.

Goff is extremely particular on who he targets, probably more so than any QB in the league. If he does not trust you to be in your spot when you are suppose to, he will not even look for you. It took Jamo last year to really figure out he needs to be a perfectionist and not just rely on has speed and agility. Jamo is being elevated from WR4/WR5 to WR2 with no competition. But for some unexplained reason, the FF gods of ADP are evaluating him as if those WR5 target rates will be the same as when he is WR2. They are not accounting for the huge step in focus and maturity Jamo has taken and the chemistry and confidence he has built with Goff and Ben Johnson.

Goff and the coaches have all raved about Jamo's progress, to the point where Goff's main emphasis going into this season is improving his deep ball accuracy. Detroit was last in the league last season at taking deep shots down field. Jamo is going to have a significant role in the best offense in the NFL possessing physical skills less than a handful of players have.

I dont think Goff is being particular. hes doing what hes supposed to do. I used to play QB and I did the same thing. if my first read isnt where he should be, I move straight to the second read. what this speaks to is that his route running may not be what it should be or hes being successfully jammed at the line. I know at one point he did struggle a bit with being jammed at the line. I didnt see enough of him late in the year to say this is still a bit of an issue. and I have not seen any camp reports on him with regard to this either.

but I'm guessing this is likely what happened.

so if his route running is better thats great. his numbers will improve. and my expectation is that in year 3 he should improve. but there are still a lot of mouths to feed in this offense and beyond a certain point any new reception he has will take away from a reception someone else would get. so it's hard to rate him a WR2 for fantasy. when people look at what he did last year and see how many mouths there are to feed its no wonder they are avoiding. based on the risks hes more likely a WR3 or high end WR4 but he does have significant upside.

I'm looking to see if there are any camp reports on his ability to beat the Jam (or lack thereof) as I want to know how hes progressed in this area. If he has progressed, you could be right. he could be a WR2 in disguise.(or a high end WR3) if hes still struggling with that, he may still be a risky pick

here you go

former Buc Carlton Davis III on the press man coverage there

Jamo has been making contested catches almost daily

Just looks like a different player this year but we'll have to just keep dishing back n forth until we see it in September

 

[Ray_T]

to further clarify, even if you think he performs as a WR2 thats not where you draft him. if his ADP is that of a WR4/5 you draft him as a high end WR4 (or low end WR3 if you wanna make sure you get him) no point paying the price of a cadillac when you can get him for the price of a Honda Civic

 

[Gally]

Would you be afraid of too much exposure on Puka last year expending only a late round pick if you knew he was going to explode? You would be silly not to have 100 percent exposure on picking up that insane value.

You could say this about anyone. The problem is nobody knows who the next Puka will be so this statement is kind if silly. Of course everyone would want 100% exposure on a guy that puts up a Puka like season, unfortunately nobody has that guarantee.

 

[jon_mx]

Would you be afraid of too much exposure on Puka last year expending only a late round pick if you knew he was going to explode? You would be silly not to have 100 percent exposure on picking up that insane value.

You could say this about anyone. The problem is nobody knows who the next Puka will be so this statement is kind if silly. Of course everyone would want 100% exposure on a guy that puts up a Puka like season, unfortunately nobody has that guarantee.

Jamo has so many green flags and so much elite talent to ignore. When you see such a gross discrepancy in reality vs. conventional wisdom, that is when you take advantage. Too many experts are holding up red flags based on false perceptions creating a huge value play. You can take advantage or not.

 

[jon_mx]

to further clarify, even if you think he performs as a WR2 thats not where you draft him. if his ADP is that of a WR4/5 you draft him as a high end WR4 (or low end WR3 if you wanna make sure you get him) no point paying the price of a cadillac when you can get him for the price of a Honda Civic

That is kind of my point. You move up and get him and increase your exposure. If you want 75 percent exposure, you can wait until round 7. If you absolutely want him, you go 6th at current valuation.

 

[Ray_T]

to further clarify, even if you think he performs as a WR2 thats not where you draft him. if his ADP is that of a WR4/5 you draft him as a high end WR4 (or low end WR3 if you wanna make sure you get him) no point paying the price of a cadillac when you can get him for the price of a Honda Civic

That is kind of my point. You move up and get him and increase your exposure. If you want 75 percent exposure, you can wait until round 7. If you absolutely want him, you go 6th at current valuation.

of course.

if people are taking him in round 9 why go take him in round 3 or 4? you're eating up all the upside by taking him too soon. where you win drafts is by taking guys in round 9 who perform like someone in round 4. you dont win drafts by taking those same players in round 4. then you're just doing average.

 

[jon_mx]

to further clarify, even if you think he performs as a WR2 thats not where you draft him. if his ADP is that of a WR4/5 you draft him as a high end WR4 (or low end WR3 if you wanna make sure you get him) no point paying the price of a cadillac when you can get him for the price of a Honda Civic

That is kind of my point. You move up and get him and increase your exposure. If you want 75 percent exposure, you can wait until round 7. If you absolutely want him, you go 6th at current valuation.

of course.

if people are taking him in round 9 why go take him in round 3 or 4? you're eating up all the upside by taking him too soon. where you win drafts is by taking guys in round 9 who perform like someone in round 4. you dont win drafts by taking those same players in round 4. then you're just doing average.

It will take a few weeks into the season before the conventional wisdom catches up to reality. Jamo is a controversial player where there too much incorrect negative narrative out there which will only be overcome by actual numbers. Only pickup Jamo if you want a 1300 total yards guy you can get towards the back half of the draft.

 

[Ray_T]

to further clarify, even if you think he performs as a WR2 thats not where you draft him. if his ADP is that of a WR4/5 you draft him as a high end WR4 (or low end WR3 if you wanna make sure you get him) no point paying the price of a cadillac when you can get him for the price of a Honda Civic

That is kind of my point. You move up and get him and increase your exposure. If you want 75 percent exposure, you can wait until round 7. If you absolutely want him, you go 6th at current valuation.

of course.

if people are taking him in round 9 why go take him in round 3 or 4? you're eating up all the upside by taking him too soon. where you win drafts is by taking guys in round 9 who perform like someone in round 4. you dont win drafts by taking those same players in round 4. then you're just doing average.

It will take a few weeks into the season before the conventional wisdom catches up to reality. Jamo is a controversial player where there too much incorrect negative narrative out there which will only be overcome by actual numbers. Only pickup Jamo if you want a 1300 total yards guy you can get towards the back half of the draft.

that would make him a round 2 value (assuming reasonable TD) if thats right, taking him one round earlier than his ADP likely makes him a draft winner. taking him earlier would only make him a good pick. think about it.

Last year my guy for this was Nico Collins. and I got him late (or extremely cheap) in every draft I could and he didnt disappoint. I knew he was at least a WR3 and possibly a WR2 or WR1 but I did the right thing and took him at the latest point I knew I could get him.

taking him in round 2 or 3 would have been a waste of a good sleeper pick.

so if you believe in him (and it sounds like you do) thats how you play it to win your draft. 1 round sooner than his ADP. 2 rounds sooner if you REALLY want to make sure he doesnt end up on someone elses roster. That's the best advice I can give you on that. dont pay more than that.

 

[Soulfly3]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

 

[Deamon]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

no. just no.

 

[Soulfly3]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

no. just no.

the object is to score more than your opponent.

 

[eighsse2]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

no. just no.

the object is to score more than your opponent.

True but you have to play the statistics ... If you believe there is a 97% chance the dude is there at round 5, and 92% he's there in round 6, you do not take him in round 2.

 

[Lansdowne]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

 

[cantstop1999]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

no. just no.

the object is to score more than your opponent.

True but you have to play the statistics ... If you believe there is a 97% chance the dude is there at round 5, and 92% he's there in round 6, you do not take him in round 2.

I got him earlier in 2 FFPC leagues 10th round, and more recently in the 8th in 2 more, Fantasy Pros Championship leagues, $350, so there competitive leagues.

 

[Deamon]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

or in simpler terms, if you know you're getting a great deal on an air fryer at one store (it's far better than all the other ones at that price), but you can walk across the street and get the exact same air fryer for half the price at another store, you go and get it at half the price.


*(This would work for any item, but I chose air fryers because they're awesome)

 

[eighsse2]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

or in simpler terms, if you know you're getting a great deal on an air fryer at one store (it's far better than all the other ones at that price), but you can walk across the street and get the exact same air fryer for half the price at another store, you go and get it at half the price.


*(This would work for any item, but I chose air fryers because they're awesome)

You had a like from me until that parenthetical. Okay, I'll admit that air fryers are convenient for reheating old food that doesn't hold up well. But the name irks me. Frying is cooking something in oil. It's more like an oven.

 

[Gally]

or in simpler terms, if you know you're getting a great deal on an air fryer at one store (it's far better than all the other ones at that price), but you can walk across the street and get the exact same air fryer for half the price at another store, you go and get it at half the price.

But then you go to the half price store and find out they are out of the air fryer and you miss out on it. It just takes one guy to reach and you miss out on your guy. Depending on how confident you are in your belief should factor into how high you should reach. It's all a risk analysis. The longer you wait the more chance you miss out.

ETA: Bottom line is we are all guessing anyway at the time of the draft. If you believe in a guy make sure you get him.

 

[Deamon]

or in simpler terms, if you know you're getting a great deal on an air fryer at one store (it's far better than all the other ones at that price), but you can walk across the street and get the exact same air fryer for half the price at another store, you go and get it at half the price.

But then you go to the half price store and find out they are out of the air fryer and you miss out on it. It just takes one guy to reach and you miss out on your guy. Depending on how confident you are in your belief should factor into how high you should reach. It's all a risk analysis. The longer you wait the more chance you miss out.

ETA: Bottom line is we are all guessing anyway at the time of the draft. If you believe in a guy make sure you get him.

Exactly... but in the case of taking a guy like Jamo in the 2nd or 3rd round (if you think he will outperform all the other 2nd and 3rd round picks), you know with 99% certainty that he will be there later. It's like knowing that there was 50 air fryers left at the store across the street just 5 minutes ago. At that point, you take the risk.

 

[Gally]

It's like knowing that there was 50 air fryers left at the store across the street just 5 minutes ago. At that point, you take the risk.

Maybe. Depends how bad you want (believe in) the air fryer. That's the risk analysis. If you are fine with 1% chance of missing out wait. If you aren't ok then don't wait.

To each their own on what risk you are willing to accept.

 

[Deamon]

It's like knowing that there was 50 air fryers left at the store across the street just 5 minutes ago. At that point, you take the risk.

Maybe. Depends how bad you want (believe in) the air fryer. That's the risk analysis. If you are fine with 1% chance of missing out wait. If you aren't ok then don't wait.

To each their own on what risk you are willing to accept.

I find this "to each their own what risk" mentality as a bit lazy (no disrespect intended)

You could say that for every player. If there's a late round flier like Vidal you really want and don't want to risk even .000001% on, would you take him in round 1? No.

The 1% for Jamo going round 2 is also very high. I'm sure if you ran 1000000 drafts, you wouldn't see him in round 1 or 2 even once. So the number is more like 0.000001% that the store across the street suddenly explodes in the 1 second before you enter.

 

[Gally]

I find this "to each their own what risk" mentality as a bit lazy (no disrespect intended)

How is it lazy? My entire point is draft a guy when you think you need to draft a guy. Factor in the ADP risk vs how confident you are in a player and figure out how long you want to risk a guy being left on the board. To me that is the opposite of lazy. That is putting in your own work to create your own draft board and comparing it to ADP and deciding when you need to take guys to make sure you get your guys. Each person has to realize their own risk tolerance for each player and decide where you should draft a player. It's a lot of work to do.

 

[Gally]

You could say that for every player.

Exactly. That is what you should do. That is the whole point of draft prep. Figuring out guys you want and when you should target the. That difference in ADP risk assessment is the work you are doing.

 

[msudaisy26]

If you reach multiple rounds on a player in a regular redraft league it shouldn't hurt you too much, but if you do it in these large field tournaments you have already lost.

 

[jon_mx]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

Nobody is advocating taking him in round 2. By end of season his numbers will show he was worthy of a round 3 selection. The fact that he is going in round 9 and 10 now is an insane value pick. His ADP should creep up as we get closer to the season, but who knows Jamo has enough doubters who will keep his numbers down. With current valuation, I would pick him at 7. If his ADP gets to 5 or 6 which it absolutely should, he would still be worth consideration as a late round 4 selection. But that is an if. Jamo's floor as WR2 for the best offense in the NFL is 800 yards with a ceiling much higher. Really terrible narratives are keeping his ADP down.

 

[Deamon]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

Nobody is advocating taking him in round 2. By end of season his numbers will show he was worthy of a round 3 selection. The fact that he is going in round 9 and 10 now is an insane value pick. His ADP should creep up as we get closer to the season, but who knows Jamo has enough doubters who will keep his numbers down. With current valuation, I would pick him at 7. If his ADP gets to 5 or 6 which it absolutely should, he would still be worth consideration as a late round 4 selection. But that is an if. Jamo's floor as WR2 for the best offense in the NFL is 800 yards with a ceiling much higher. Really terrible narratives are keeping his ADP down.

Dude, he's not going in the top 60 picks. Ever.

 

[jon_mx]

if you think he's gonna score more than the guys available in that round, take him. I don't care what round that is. 2, 3, 4 ,5....

value. is. dead.

But you shouldn’t factor in *just* the guy you’re targeting, you should also factor in the comparable players in each round.

Jamo’s ADP is currently at 116 overall, which puts him in the 9th-10th round range in 12-team leagues. Sure, if you’re convinced he’s going to be a top-12 WR this season, you can guarantee ownership by taking him in the 2nd round. But now you need him to actually finish top 12 just to break even at cost, and in the process you’re missing out on other more likely top 12 WR candidates in that 2nd round range like Garrett Wilson, Nico Collins, Brandon Aiyuk, etc. Compare that to if you had taken one of those WRs in the 2nd round instead and waited until, say, the 7th round if you want to reach for Jamo. In that range you have Tony Pollard, Jonathon Brooks, the Chiefs WRs, David Njoku, etc. Your roster will look better if you get the other players in that 2nd round and reach for Jamo in the 7th, than if you reach for Jamo in the 2nd and take the other players in the 7th. You’ll have a better chance of outscoring your opponents if you maximize your roster’s talent pool. Reach but within reason.

Nobody is advocating taking him in round 2. By end of season his numbers will show he was worthy of a round 3 selection. The fact that he is going in round 9 and 10 now is an insane value pick. His ADP should creep up as we get closer to the season, but who knows Jamo has enough doubters who will keep his numbers down. With current valuation, I would pick him at 7. If his ADP gets to 5 or 6 which it absolutely should, he would still be worth consideration as a late round 4 selection. But that is an if. Jamo's floor as WR2 for the best offense in the NFL is 800 yards with a ceiling much higher. Really terrible narratives are keeping his ADP down.

Dude, he's not going in the top 60 picks. Ever.

Next year will easily be top 40. This year his valuation is grossly undervalued by faulty analysis. Jamo has natural abilities which are only matched by Tyrek Hill. Now that his route running has vastly improved and he has Goff's complete confidence, Jamo will be unstoppable.

 

[Chaka]

Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone.

Might as well use the DD, reach for the guys you like, pass on the ones you don't and have fun.

 

[Chaka]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

 

[Deamon]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

I was so hoping this convo broke out in here lol

And nah man, you must have a bad one.

 

[Chaka]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

I was so hoping this convo broke out in here lol

And nah man, you must have a bad one.

LOL and the following absolutely comes from a spirit of love and just having fun. So, my response is...

Perhaps, I did decide to get rid of mine, but my guess is you also believe microwaves only have one power setting.

 

[Deamon]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

I was so hoping this convo broke out in here lol

And nah man, you must have a bad one.

LOL and the following absolutely comes from a spirit of love and just having fun. So, my response is...

Perhaps, I did decide to get rid of mine, but my guess is you also believe microwaves only have one power setting.

Nah, I use my air fryer for everything. I don't even need to use a conventional microwave, oven, or hair dryer anymore.

 

[Chaka]

Seriously, Air fryers are solid for reheating fried leftovers*, and not much else.

*Go over by a nano-second and your cognitive dissonance survival mechanism kicks in and convinces you the charred cardboard your eating are actually gourmet, Donald Link Michelin star sweet breads.

 

[Chaka]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

I was so hoping this convo broke out in here lol

And nah man, you must have a bad one.

LOL and the following absolutely comes from a spirit of love and just having fun. So, my response is...

Perhaps, I did decide to get rid of mine, but my guess is you also believe microwaves only have one power setting.

Nah, I use my air fryer for everything. I don't even need to use a conventional microwave, oven, or hair dryer anymore.

Okay, that is spit take worthy

 

[jon_mx]

Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone.

Might as well use the DD, reach for the guys you like, pass on the ones you don't and have fun.

And sometimes the norm opinion is the irrational one. I may be a homer, but my assessments for players like Amon-Ra, Gibbs, LaPorta, and Goff would have helped win leagues the last few years. The irrational opinion is the conventional wisdom which refuses to accept the tremendous strides Jamo has made and does not understand how Detroit spreads the ball around.

All the naysayers, what are your projections? 400 yards? 600 yards? I make projections. Barrimg injuries, Jamo is getting 5 plus targets/touches per game and that will translate to about 1200 total yards. To believe Jamo will get 600 yards you would have to believe he will have to average less than 3 targets a game. It is not happening.

Put out a projection and see who is closer. You plugged your microwave into the wrong voltage.

 

[Deamon]

Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone.

Might as well use the DD, reach for the guys you like, pass on the ones you don't and have fun.

And sometimes the norm opinion is the irrational one. I may be a homer, but my assessments for players like Amon-Ra, Gibbs, LaPorta, and Goff would have helped win leagues the last few years. The irrational opinion is the conventional wisdom which refuses to accept the tremendous strides Jamo has made and does not understand how Detroit spreads the ball around.

All the naysayers, what are your projections? 400 yards? 600 yards? I make projections. Barrimg injuries, Jamo is getting 5 plus targets/touches
per game and that will translate to about 1200 total yards. To believe Jamo will get 600 yards you would have to believe he will have to average less than 3 targets a game. It is not happening.
Put out a projection and see who is closer.

Ugh... I love Jamo this year but you're kind of making me like him less with every post.

 

[Chaka]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

 

[Deamon]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

let us know where he goes!

 

[Chaka]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

And you will praise it for all eternity after January 6th, 2025

All Hail The Hypnotoad!!!

 

[Jail]

Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone.

Might as well use the DD, reach for the guys you like, pass on the ones you don't and have fun.

And sometimes the norm opinion is the irrational one. I may be a homer, but my assessments for players like Amon-Ra, Gibbs, LaPorta, and Goff would have helped win leagues the last few years. The irrational opinion is the conventional wisdom which refuses to accept the tremendous strides Jamo has made and does not understand how Detroit spreads the ball around.

I certainly hope that you are right. I definitely agree that he is a great value where he is drafted , and I will be targeting him. But the simple fact is that in 2 years of NFL and 3 years of college he only has 1 productive year. His potential is definitely huge, but until he actually does something in the NFL that's all it is: potential. It's not irrational or flawed logic to be consider that.

 

[ffmail4me]

Just took him in the 7th round of a best ball PPR redraft on Underdog. Maybe a bit early but I really like his upside over guys like McConkey, Brian Thomas, Hopkins, and Addison who went just after I selected him.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Side bar: Air fryers are just OP convection ovens that do a much worse job in half the time.

I was so hoping this convo broke out in here lol

And nah man, you must have a bad one.

LOL and the following absolutely comes from a spirit of love and just having fun. So, my response is...

Perhaps, I did decide to get rid of mine, but my guess is you also believe microwaves only have one power setting.

Nah, I use my air fryer for everything. I don't even need to use a conventional microwave, oven, or hair dryer anymore.

Okay, that is spit take worthy

My screen would have been drenched if I'd had water in my mouth when I read that.

 

[Ilov80s]

The most insane thread around.

 

[Ilov80s]

Would you be afraid of too much exposure on Puka last year expending only a late round pick if you knew he was going to explode? You would be silly not to have 100 percent exposure on picking up that insane value.

You could say this about anyone. The problem is nobody knows who the next Puka will be so this statement is kind if silly. Of course everyone would want 100% exposure on a guy that puts up a Puka like season, unfortunately nobody has that guarantee.

Jamo has so many green flags and so much elite talent to ignore. When you see such a gross discrepancy in reality vs. conventional wisdom, that is when you take advantage. Too many experts are holding up red flags based on false perceptions creating a huge value play. You can take advantage or not.

I like the green flags but there is without a doubt more red flags. Historically his comps right now aren’t good. I believe he’s going to be a good NFL player. Not too sure about fantasy. But objectively he’s a guy we should expect to fail at this point.

 

[Chaka]

Just took him in the 7th round of a best ball PPR redraft on Underdog. Maybe a bit early but I really like his upside over guys like McConkey, Brian Thomas, Hopkins, and Addison who went just after I selected him.

My goodness, is Williams so lowly valued as to be on the board with those guys?

Barring injuries Jamo's floor is those guys ceiling. And an injury to ARSB or La Porta, is just as likely as one to JJ, Ridley, Kirk etc. and only bumps Jameson.

 

[jon_mx]

Everyone has cognitive bias. Everyone.

Might as well use the DD, reach for the guys you like, pass on the ones you don't and have fun.

And sometimes the norm opinion is the irrational one. I may be a homer, but my assessments for players like Amon-Ra, Gibbs, LaPorta, and Goff would have helped win leagues the last few years. The irrational opinion is the conventional wisdom which refuses to accept the tremendous strides Jamo has made and does not understand how Detroit spreads the ball around.

I certainly hope that you are right. I definitely agree that he is a great value where he is drafted , and I will be targeting him. But the simple fact is that in 2 years of NFL and 3 years of college he only has 1 productive year. His potential is definitely huge, but until he actually does something in the NFL that's all it is: potential. It's not irrational or flawed logic to be consider that.

That is certainly part of thr reason why people doubt him. As Justin Fields recently explained, OSU did Jamo wrong and only used him as a decoy. The coaching staff already had their WR set with future first rounders Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson cemented in the starter roles. This is not much different than Barry Sanders having to ride the bench because Thurman Thomas was already first team All-American. But look what Jamo did. He went from 9-158-2 when he wasn't be targeted to 79-1572-15 as soon as he was. Being stuck behind other 5-star talent was probably a poor chose of schools by Jamo and not an indication of his talent. Nobody leapfrogs over All-Americans, even future GOATS.

Jamo's rookie year was a redshirt year. No training camp and when he did make appearances late in the season, he was on severe snap count restrictions. His second year he twisted his ankle during camp and had the gambling suspension. Jamo got off to a terrible start, but through some mentoring really started to mature and understand what it takes to be a pro. By the end of the season, his catch rates went from terrible to pretty good. He also started to make tough contested catches and was a great blocker down field.

Yes, it took last season for Jamo to mature. Jamo was a superstar in college and high school and was on cruise mode doing it with pure freakish talents. Now he is working his butt off, perfecting his route tree, learning to get off the line, catching most everything thrown his way, and consistently burning everyone deep. Goff is throwing much better deep balls, and their timing is finally clicking.

Jamo's talent is indisputable, it is only a matter of focus and dedication. Maybe you don't trust what Dan Campbell says, but he is the straightest shooter there is in the nfl. Last year he expressed disappointment in Jamo, this year he is saying Jamo is standing out more than anyone in camp. This is echoed by the media reports from camp as well as Ben Johnson, Amon-Ra, Jahmyr Gibbs, Terrion Arnold and Carlton Davis.

You can trust the people who run the team and those who follow the team the closest, or you can be stuck on old narratives. What I see is a kid rapidly maturing with more physical talent than any other WR not named Tyrek in football in a prime spot on one of the best offenses in football.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

let us know where he goes!

Well. Fantasypros has him at 121, which seems silly. He just went 101 in my draft. Not by me. Ha ha.