WR Josh Gordon, KC (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

 

[Soulfly3]

Let me guess... It continuing on Monday is normal?

Lol

 

[Soulfly3]

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

Sounds like its a little more than an open and shut case.

We dont know that. We have no evidence of appeal timetables

Etc etc

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

interesting

 

[amnesiac]

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

sounds like Gordon is running up quite a bill with his attorneys.

 

[Soulfly3]

Im sure Rosenhaus is footing a major portion of the bill

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

Sounds like its a little more than an open and shut case.

We dont know that. We have no evidence of appeal timetablesEtc etc

Negotiations take time!

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

Sounds like its a little more than an open and shut case.

We dont know that. We have no evidence of appeal timetablesEtc etc

Negotiations take time!

and bs take time before it dries up and stops smelling

Yeah. I'm sure they spent 10 hours discussing second hand smoke and piss readings.

 

[massraider]

Im sure Rosenhaus is footing a major portion of the bill

Might be the funniest thing you've posted.

 

[Soulfly3]

This isnt court tho

And arbitrator, im sure, can say at any time he's heard enough and made a decision.

Im sure he had more than enough power to say this doesnt continues on monday if it didnt Need it

 

[jdswan922]

This isnt court tho

And arbitrator, im sure, can say at any time he's heard enough and made a decision.

Im sure he had more than enough power to say this doesnt continues on monday if it didnt Need it

I wasn't in court either...it was a deposition which is much closer the arbitration...if the attorney of the defendant in Gordon's case isn't done they will continue, just like we/I had to continue when the class action attorney wouldn't give up despite the fact that EVERYTHING I said contradicted what he needed to hear

Sounds like your attorney was incompetent if he let the opposing counsel ask the same question over and over for eight hours. Actually, a deposition is not similar to an arbitration. There are rules of evidence that must be followed, while in a deposition an attorney can ask questions they might not be able to ask at trial or in an arbitration. This is an appeals hearing for which we don't know the rules. I assume the rules of evidence apply, but I do not know. With all that being said, it does not necessarily mean anything that the hearing is taking this long other than Gordon's team is throwing a lot out there.

 

[Dismattle]

This isnt court tho

And arbitrator, im sure, can say at any time he's heard enough and made a decision.

Im sure he had more than enough power to say this doesnt continues on monday if it didnt Need it

I wasn't in court either...it was a deposition which is much closer the arbitration...if the attorney of the defendant in Gordon's case isn't done they will continue, just like we/I had to continue when the class action attorney wouldn't give up despite the fact that EVERYTHING I said contradicted what he needed to hear

Sounds like your attorney was incompetent if he let the opposing counsel ask the same question over and over for eight hours. Actually, a deposition is not similar to an arbitration. There are rules of evidence that must be followed, while in a deposition an attorney can ask questions they might not be able to ask at trial or in an arbitration. This is an appeals hearing for which we don't know the rules. I assume the rules of evidence apply, but I do not know. With all that being said, it does not necessarily mean anything that the hearing is taking this long other than Gordon's team is throwing a lot out there.

A Win is a Win...

The Lawyer probably assumed that the opposing attorney was being paid by the hr. LOL Let him talk until the opponent cries Uncle

I believe the Gordon case is "high profile" But its probably something more like, less people would know of a delay announcement. The low profile case may not have Florio too

We get a whole weekend of coverage w hopefully some facts thrown in for good measure!

 

[Bronx Bomber]

It took them 8 hours to read through this thread, this is all part of the official disposition right?

 

[Bobcat10]

Can anyone fill me in on Josh Gordon's 4 previous incidents in the NFL? Or is this guy just continuing to talk out of his ###?

"You have to deal with the facts,'' Goodell told reporters at the Pro Football Hall of Fame press conference Friday in Canton. "We have a drug program that is collectively bargained and it has a step process. It takes four incidents before you actually reach a suspension in a drug-related case. You have to respond to facts here.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Can anyone fill me in on Josh Gordon's 4 previous incidents in the NFL? Or is this guy just continuing to talk out of his ###?

"You have to deal with the facts,'' Goodell told reporters at the Pro Football Hall of Fame press conference Friday in Canton. "We have a drug program that is collectively bargained and it has a step process. It takes four incidents before you actually reach a suspension in a drug-related case. You have to respond to facts here.

Strike 1: Gordon entered the league already in the substance program based on his college history (3 drug-related incidents, kicked out of two colleges, forced to enter the supplemental draft)

Strike 2: During Gordon's rookie season, he tested positive for marijuana

Strike 3: During Gordon's second season, he tested positive for codeine

Strike 4: This past offseason, Josh Gordon tested positive for marijuana

Although in that quote, Goodell's saying it takes four strikes before you even see a suspension, and Gordon got a suspension for the codeine test, which by my count should have only been strike 3. Which means either Goodell misspoke, or there's another strike we don't know about, or there's something else funny going on (like Gordon's college history counting as two strikes or something).

If Goodell's quote is accurate, it's possible that there's another failed drug test in Gordon's history that we've never heard about, although I would be inclined to think that there's something else going on there, instead.

 

[mvereb]

Think the 'delay' has anything to do with the HOF induction this weekend? If the arbitrator upheld the year-long ban and announced the decision today, the league would look pretty bad in light of Rice's two game suspension. Plus, they don't need anymore bad PR during a weekend when past players will be celebrated.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Think the 'delay' has anything to do with the HOF induction this weekend? If the arbitrator upheld the year-long ban and announced the decision today, the league would look pretty bad in light of Rice's two game suspension. Plus, they don't need anymore bad PR during a weekend when past players will be celebrated.

Doubt it, but the theory makes sense

Yeah, it does. I mean, sure, HOF weekend could happen on any weekend, but the NFL just happened to schedule HOF weekend the same damn weekend the NFL scheduled the arbitration hearing with Gordon. Such an unfortunate set of circumstances requires a delay. You'd think the NFL would talk with itself about this stuff.

 

[False Start]

Let me guess... It continuing on Monday is normal?

Lol

Florio:

Josh Gordon's hearing went from 9:30 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. It will continue Monday afternoon. #filibuster #chewbaccadefense #freejoshgordon

Sounds like its a little more than an open and shut case.

I was recently in a deposition (as a witness) that went on for 8 f'ing hours because a lawyer was trying to build a class action case against my former company where I was a Senior Exec. There was only one question...did the company do what they said or not, I can say for sure the company did EXACTLY as they said yet the lawyer chose to ask me the same f'ing question 1000 different ways, thinking somehow the answer would somehow change,,,,,,

length of time does not equal progress......the class action is dead. All they did is waste 8 hours of my time.

The amount of time may or may not mean something, but coming to the conclusion it does is ignorant at best

Bingo

 

[Bobcat10]

Can anyone fill me in on Josh Gordon's 4 previous incidents in the NFL? Or is this guy just continuing to talk out of his ###?

"You have to deal with the facts,'' Goodell told reporters at the Pro Football Hall of Fame press conference Friday in Canton. "We have a drug program that is collectively bargained and it has a step process. It takes four incidents before you actually reach a suspension in a drug-related case. You have to respond to facts here.

Strike 1: Gordon entered the league already in the substance program based on his college history (3 drug-related incidents, kicked out of two colleges, forced to enter the supplemental draft)

Strike 2: During Gordon's rookie season, he tested positive for marijuana

Strike 3: During Gordon's second season, he tested positive for codeine

Strike 4: This past offseason, Josh Gordon tested positive for marijuana

Although in that quote, Goodell's saying it takes four strikes before you even see a suspension, and Gordon got a suspension for the codeine test, which by my count should have only been strike 3. Which means either Goodell misspoke, or there's another strike we don't know about, or there's something else funny going on (like Gordon's college history counting as two strikes or something).

If Goodell's quote is accurate, it's possible that there's another failed drug test in Gordon's history that we've never heard about, although I would be inclined to think that there's something else going on there, instead.

Thanks...forgot about #2.

And I agree that the quote has some glaring issues. It's been reported he has passed 70 times since his rookie year, which you would think means there is not another strike we don't know about.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Thanks...forgot about #2.


And I agree that the quote has some glaring issues. It's been reported he has passed 70 times since his rookie year, which you would think means there is not another strike we don't know about.

News about #2 actually just came out recently. Most violations of the substance abuse policy are private (unless a suspension is attached). I had never heard anything about that failed test until this past week when Mary Kay Cabot reported it had happened.

The 70 passed tests aren't since Gordon's rookie year, they're just since he failed for codeine. Because he's in Stage 3 of the substance abuse program, Gordon gets tested up to 10 times a month, meaning those 70 tests spanned somewhere around 7 months' worth of time. As I said, all strikes are confidential unless there's a suspension involved, so there very easily could have been another strike in there somewhere before the Codeine test that we just haven't heard about; however, given everything that has come out during the past few months about Gordon's history, I believe if there was another failed test in there, we would have heard about it by now. So I'm assuming there was some other explanation for why Gordon was suspended on what we now believe was his 3rd strike (the Codeine test).

If I'm wrong about that and there IS another failed test lurking somewhere in Gordon's past... then I just don't know what to say. That would bring his total to seven known, confirmed failed tests in less than four calendar years, (well, technically, one of his Baylor missteps wasn't a failed test, it was an arrest... but you all know what I mean).

 

[jdswan922]

This isnt court tho

And arbitrator, im sure, can say at any time he's heard enough and made a decision.

Im sure he had more than enough power to say this doesnt continues on monday if it didnt Need it

I wasn't in court either...it was a deposition which is much closer the arbitration...if the attorney of the defendant in Gordon's case isn't done they will continue, just like we/I had to continue when the class action attorney wouldn't give up despite the fact that EVERYTHING I said contradicted what he needed to hear

Sounds like your attorney was incompetent if he let the opposing counsel ask the same question over and over for eight hours. Actually, a deposition is not similar to an arbitration. There are rules of evidence that must be followed, while in a deposition an attorney can ask questions they might not be able to ask at trial or in an arbitration. This is an appeals hearing for which we don't know the rules. I assume the rules of evidence apply, but I do not know. With all that being said, it does not necessarily mean anything that the hearing is taking this long other than Gordon's team is throwing a lot out there.

Obviously I cant share detail, but my previous company (fortune 500) had a top firm in there and they fought everything, but you clearly don't understand how it works. Until the other firm decided to back off it continued. Very similar to how an arbitration goes. Good try though

I assure you, plenty of "top firms" have incompetent attorneys. I am going to go with my hundreds of a rbitrations over your one deposition on this one. Bazinga!

 

[False Start]

Gordons representative can take as long as they like to present Gordons case, it can take hours, days or weeks at times in legal or arbitration cases for attorneys/representatives to do so. Witnesses will be called and as Bazinga said, they will ask the same question 1000 times over and over for hours to hope for a slip up to use against them. I am not a lawyer, but I have dated one and I would fall a sleep to the stories and her expertise was arguing to exploit flaws and twist words (needless to say that's why are relationship didn't last) and once you get one hiccup it can throw a case for a loop, so the longer you take the more possible for a hiccup. The amount of things that can go wrong in the court room is inconceivable. Both sides can benefit or suffer.

This length can be great or terrible for Gordon, just depends if there are hiccups and how good his lawyers are.

 

[Soulfly3]

This length can be great or terrible for Gordon, just depends if there are hiccups and how good his lawyers are.

by all accounts, they're the cream of the crop.

 

[spider321]

One sample, split in half.

Two different results ruins the legitimacy of the testing process.

Result should be null and void.

It's not like he knocked his girlfriend unconscious.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!!!

 

[Sweetness_34]

One sample, split in half.

Two different results ruins the legitimacy of the testing process.

Result should be null and void.

It's not like he knocked his girlfriend unconscious.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!!!

hey spider - that team in your sig....2 team league?

 

[spider321]

One sample, split in half.

Two different results ruins the legitimacy of the testing process.

Result should be null and void.

It's not like he knocked his girlfriend unconscious.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!!!

hey spider - that team in your sig....2 team league?

Thanks for the complement, but sadly I've only won the league once in 8 years.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

The Gordon case is less cut and dried, and a bit more compelling than some here want to believe.

There was more than one occasion where Gordon's A and B sample were substantially different in the lab world.

Those close to the case are calling it rather compelling, take it for what it's worth.

Could he still be gone for the year, yes. However, it is not the slam dunk some are making it out to be, and he may get, nothing.

Souflly...did you ever find that link???? This is potentially critical info. I would like to see the source so we can see who said it, just in case it is from a credible source versus some ######## blogger or clown making up stuff on a message board

Im on my cell, but Im pretty sure its on one of the previous pages... I think I posted it. If not, ill find it when I get home

Was that a Freudian slip? I thought Ojaays was not Soulfly3

Yet when Soulfly was asked for a link from a post from Ojaays it was in fact Soulfly who responded

Haha... Not that it matters as most of us suspected it anyway and actually it's kinda fun to keep with the ruse

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I suspect one of 2 things are responsible for the continuation...

1.) either Gordon's team has a compelling enough case to truly need a continuation

Or

2.) NFL and arbitrators want to make it seem as though they are giving this all of its due diligence and as an added bonus a continuation conveniently skips over the HOF weekend festivities

I realize that we wouldn't have heard of the decision until after Friday regardless but does that mean the decision wasn't already made or just that the announcement was being delayed?

For instance if the decision is made but just not announced what would keep Gordon's team from "leaking it out" just like they have with other info in this case

 

[pghrob]

The Gordon case is less cut and dried, and a bit more compelling than some here want to believe.

There was more than one occasion where Gordon's A and B sample were substantially different in the lab world.

Those close to the case are calling it rather compelling, take it for what it's worth.

Could he still be gone for the year, yes. However, it is not the slam dunk some are making it out to be, and he may get, nothing.

Souflly...did you ever find that link???? This is potentially critical info. I would like to see the source so we can see who said it, just in case it is from a credible source versus some ######## blogger or clown making up stuff on a message board

Im on my cell, but Im pretty sure its on one of the previous pages... I think I posted it. If not, ill find it when I get home

Was that a Freudian slip? I thought Ojaays was not Soulfly3

Yet when Soulfly was asked for a link from a post from Ojaays it was in fact Soulfly who responded

Haha... Not that it matters as most of us suspected it anyway and actually it's kinda fun to keep with the ruse

I noticed that too and had to laugh.

 

[Dismattle]

http://factoryofsadness.co/2014/07/29/details-emerge-josh-gordons-bad-luck-urine-sample/

Factory’s Co-Editor Jared Mueller was on the collection side of drug testing for years in Ohio in his work as a counselor. He tweeted that the second test verification is vital to Gordon’s case, and that if two tests contradict, another sample is usually taken. " If 2 tests contradict often another sample collected. For THC halflife is 21 to 30 days for most so should be in system still if quick. "

Get to write up later but did drug testing for years. Those limits are very important. 2nd test verification vital. Other factors as well. (tweet mentioned)

If this is true about good testing practices, does the CBA which is already approved, basically supersede normal routine procedures?

Has anyone else read an article discussing the "four incidents"? I would figure the codeine suspension as the 4th incident, so Im not quite understanding how this appeal is for a yr. long susp..

p.s. Im not saying I don't appreciate everyone's effort on the board to try an explain the various incidents, but it just seems odd. For instance, one claim involves stating the number of "good tests", which is 70! But why not provide the actual time frame ie. Josh has tested clean since the "Codeine" date/time which is 70 tests in a row altogether. Link that covers prev susp. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/josh-gordon-codeine-in-strep-throat-medicine-triggered-suspension/ Also notice the verbage used at end: First-time violations of the substance abuse policy, be they for intentional or unintentional ingestion and unlike violations of the performance-enhancing drug policy, don’t generally result in suspensions.

Basically (imho) one real solid out of all this is : If a Rookie gets a suspension for testing, hes liable to have a problem (Dr's who enjoy FF?) having failed three previous tests three previous "incidents"

 

[Soulfly3]

The Gordon case is less cut and dried, and a bit more compelling than some here want to believe.

There was more than one occasion where Gordon's A and B sample were substantially different in the lab world.

Those close to the case are calling it rather compelling, take it for what it's worth.

Could he still be gone for the year, yes. However, it is not the slam dunk some are making it out to be, and he may get, nothing.

Souflly...did you ever find that link???? This is potentially critical info. I would like to see the source so we can see who said it, just in case it is from a credible source versus some ######## blogger or clown making up stuff on a message board

Im on my cell, but Im pretty sure its on one of the previous pages... I think I posted it. If not, ill find it when I get home

Was that a Freudian slip? I thought Ojaays was not Soulfly3

Yet when Soulfly was asked for a link from a post from Ojaays it was in fact Soulfly who responded

Haha... Not that it matters as most of us suspected it anyway and actually it's kinda fun to keep with the ruse

I noticed that too and had to laugh.

He asked for me by name... why wouldnt I respond?

I was also the one who posted the information about test cups A and B having two different accuracy levels a few days back

You guys are seriously overthinking this oojays thing.

 

[fatness]

I am not a lawyer, but I have dated one and I would fall a sleep to the stories and her expertise was arguing to exploit flaws and twist words (needless to say that's why are relationship didn't last)

OK

 

[Soulfly3]

I am not a lawyer, but I have dated one and I would fall a sleep to the stories and her expertise was arguing to exploit flaws and twist words (needless to say that's why are relationship didn't last)

OK

I get laughed at.

 

[Childress]

Andrew Brandt @adbrandt · 22m
Negotiated settlement. RT @restech1 if you had a nickel to bet it, what would you bet on? Full season suspension? Something different?

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I think we can all respect Brandt's insight. This was 10am Saturday

 

[DropKick]

One sample, split in half.

Two different results ruins the legitimacy of the testing process.

Result should be null and void.

It's not like he knocked his girlfriend unconscious.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!!!

Are they really two different results? 16.0 and 13.8 are pretty close and small variations are likely inherent in the testing process. I suspect the reason they do two tests is to ensure a mistake isn't made. These numbers are close enough (to me) to suggest his level was in the neighborhood of the legal limit.

Hypothetically, what if the results were 15.1 and 14.9? Far closer but still right on the bubble...

He fails If 15 is the limit. "Just" missing is still missing... I'm sure that being so close to passing is frustrating for him and FF owners (myself included) but, ultimately, he let himself be in that position.

Listening to Goodell talk on the NFL radio yesterday, he distinguished between Rice's 2 game suspension and Big Ben's 4 gamer. He made a point about first offense and patterns of behavior. In Gordon's case, there is a clear and length pattern. I am not optimistic about Gordon's chances.

 

[Soulfly3]

ohh... what does he know?

 

[skinsrule05]

One sample, split in half.

Two different results ruins the legitimacy of the testing process.

Result should be null and void.

It's not like he knocked his girlfriend unconscious.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!!!

Are they really two different results? 16.0 and 13.8 are pretty close and small variations are likely inherent in the testing process. I suspect the reason they do two tests is to ensure a mistake isn't made. These numbers are close enough (to me) to suggest his level was in twhe neighborhood of the legal limit.

Hypothetically, what if the results were 15.1 and 14.9? Far closer but still right on the bubble...

He fails If 15 is the limit. "Just" missing is still missing... I'm sure that being so close to passing is frustrating for him and FF owners (myself included) but, ultimately, he let himself be in that position.

Listening to Goodell talk on the NFL radio yesterday, he distinguished between Rice's 2 game suspension and Big Ben's 4 gamer. He made a point about first offense and patterns of behavior. In Gordon's case, there is a clear and length pattern. I am not optimistic about Gordon's chances.

To make matters worse if the samples were taken in the opposite order (the 13.8 first), he wouldn't have failed. There is a good write up on it on Grantland. The NFL definitely seems to be wrong in this instance.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/josh-gordon-and-the-nfls-drug-problem/

 

[Soulfly3]

There are rumors floating here and there that Monday is basically to finalize the deal that was made between Gordon's team and the NFL.

All parties agreed and they wanted a final approval from Roger.

Again, this is a rumor, and I have NO idea how true it is, but the settlement has already been agreed upon, and now it's just signatures.

Would be fantastic. Though zero games wouldve been the cat's ###

 

[Bayhawks]

The Gordon case is less cut and dried, and a bit more compelling than some here want to believe.

There was more than one occasion where Gordon's A and B sample were substantially different in the lab world.

Those close to the case are calling it rather compelling, take it for what it's worth.

Could he still be gone for the year, yes. However, it is not the slam dunk some are making it out to be, and he may get, nothing.

Souflly...did you ever find that link???? This is potentially critical info. I would like to see the source so we can see who said it, just in case it is from a credible source versus some ######## blogger or clown making up stuff on a message board

Im on my cell, but Im pretty sure its on one of the previous pages... I think I posted it. If not, ill find it when I get home

Was that a Freudian slip? I thought Ojaays was not Soulfly3

Yet when Soulfly was asked for a link from a post from Ojaays it was in fact Soulfly who responded

Haha... Not that it matters as most of us suspected it anyway and actually it's kinda fun to keep with the ruse

I noticed that too and had to laugh.

He asked for me by name... why wouldnt I respond?

I was also the one who posted the information about test cups A and B having two different accuracy levels a few days back

You guys are seriously overthinking this oojays thing.

Right.

Still waiting on that link, where you, er oojays, claimed Gordon has had multiple tests show that his A and B sample were substantially different in the lab world, and that "those close to the case are calling it rather compelling."

Whenever you can post it, that would be great.

 

[Bayhawks]

There are rumors floating here and there that Monday is basically to finalize the deal that was made between Gordon's team and the NFL.

All parties agreed and they wanted a final approval from Roger.

Again, this is a rumor, and I have NO idea how true it is, but the settlement has already been agreed upon, and now it's just signatures.

Would be fantastic. Though zero games wouldve been the cat's ###

You wouldn't want to provide a link to where you heard these rumors, would you? Because some random fan on a message board saying stuff that he hopes will happen would be a rumor, but wouldn't be very worthwhile. And that seems to be where a lot of your "information" (especially early on in this thread) seems to have come from (and been proven wrong); i.e.-missed test, not failed test, in stage 2, not stage 3, etc.

 

[Soulfly3]

i.e.-missed test, not failed test, in stage 2, not stage 3, etc.

For starters, I was never a huge proponent of the "missed test theory".... It was certainly possible, but I never ran with it.

The Stage 2 thing... Sure, Ill say I was wrong there, but that also had nothing to do with rumors - that was my educated guess based on what little information we knew.

 

[JohnnyU]

Does it really matter how many games? We all know he will screw up again very soon and most likely will be out of the league this time next year. This guy can't get out of his own way.

This sure sounds like an outstanding wakeup call! A lot of Football stars talk about supporting their Mom etc. (Josh almost lost that) Now Josh is pretty close to his older brother, so Im feeling a bit more positive tbh I believe being around family that hears everything being said/told,should have a positive effect on Josh

Lets save this discussion, because it may be too soon too.

But yeah, its probably playing w Fire, just like We all knew from the start..

If he can't stay away from his "so called" friends he won't make it. If you play in the gutter you're going to get dirty.

I you saying that everyone who smokes pot is dirty? Or is this a racist comment or something? Serious question.

Not sure how you get race out of that, but it's simply a statement that if you hang around others who smoke pot and you're a habitual user yourself, you're more likely to use pot.

 

[Soulfly3]

From my phone, found this:

Is drug testing accurate?
Yes, when done properly. The typical procedure is a two-step process in which a urine sample
(specimen) is divided in half, and the first half is tested using a relatively
simple, inexpensive, yet highly accurate test (usually an “immunoassay”). If the
result of that initial test is "negative" the lab will report the test as
"negative" and no additional testing will be performed on that specimen. On the
other hand, if the result of the first test is “positive”, then a second test is
conducted on the second half of the original sample using a different testing
process that serves to "confirm" whether or not the first analysis was accurate.


This second (“confirmatory”) test is performed using a more
sophisticated and more expensive technique such as gas chromatography/mass
spectrometry (GC/MS) or thin-layer chromatography (TLC). Only if both halves of
a specimen show up “positive” by these two separate testing methods (and using
portions of the same urine) is it then reported as a “positive” by the lab. The
first test (by immunoassay) is 97-99% accurate, while the second test (by GC/MS
or TLC) is virtually 100.00% accurate from a scientific standpoint. Because of
this Industry-standard, two-step, "fail-safe" process, the lab's report of the
specimen as "positive" (AFTER a second, confirmatory test) will - virtually 100%
of the time - be upheld in a Court of Law if the person who was tested should
choose to try and legally "challenge" that result.

 

[Bayhawks]

i.e.-missed test, not failed test, in stage 2, not stage 3, etc.

For starters, I was never a huge proponent of the "missed test theory".... It was certainly possible, but I never ran with it.

The Stage 2 thing... Sure, Ill say I was wrong there, but that also had nothing to do with rumors - that was my educated guess based on what little information we knew.

Okay, whatever you say.

Still waiting on links to either of the pieces of news/rumors you posted.

 

[Soulfly3]

Still waiting on links to either of the pieces of news/rumors you posted.

rumors can come from word of mouth. you want recordings, or what?

You dont gotta trust me or these ppl. I do.

We'll see who is right, come monday.

 

[Bayhawks]

From my phone, found this:

Is drug testing accurate?

Yes, when done properly. The typical procedure is a two-step process in which a urine sample

(specimen) is divided in half, and the first half is tested using a relatively

simple, inexpensive, yet highly accurate test (usually an “immunoassay”). If the

result of that initial test is "negative" the lab will report the test as

"negative" and no additional testing will be performed on that specimen. On the

other hand, if the result of the first test is “positive”, then a second test is

conducted on the second half of the original sample using a different testing

process that serves to "confirm" whether or not the first analysis was accurate.

This second (“confirmatory”) test is performed using a more

sophisticated and more expensive technique such as gas chromatography/mass

spectrometry (GC/MS) or thin-layer chromatography (TLC). Only if both halves of

a specimen show up “positive” by these two separate testing methods (and using

portions of the same urine) is it then reported as a “positive” by the lab. The

first test (by immunoassay) is 97-99% accurate, while the second test (by GC/MS

or TLC) is virtually 100.00% accurate from a scientific standpoint. Because of

this Industry-standard, two-step, "fail-safe" process, the lab's report of the

specimen as "positive" (AFTER a second, confirmatory test) will - virtually 100%

of the time - be upheld in a Court of Law if the person who was tested should

choose to try and legally "challenge" that result.

Well, that's interesting, because that confirms that Gordon failed the NFL's testing policy.

His immunoassay test was reported to be a 38 (39?) when the NFL threshold was 20 (failed test).

Then his "A" specimen was over the NFL's threshold of 15 (failed test).

Then his "B" specimen was over the NFL's threshold of ZERO (failed test).

Link to the above information.

So, basically, you have provided proof (although still no link) that Gordon failed the NFL's drug testing policy, and that this should "be upheld in a Court of Law if the person who was tested should choose to try and legally "challenge" that result."

Thanks.

 

[Bayhawks]

Still waiting on links to either of the pieces of news/rumors you posted.

rumors can come from word of mouth. you want recordings, or what?

You dont gotta trust me or these ppl. I do.

We'll see who is right, come monday.

Okay, you made up heard these "rumors," so you can't share a link. How about the link to Gordon having pissed different THC levels in his A/B specimens before? The one you claimed to have posted, but you'd re-post it when you got home? When do we get to see that?

 

[Soulfly3]

Still waiting on links to either of the pieces of news/rumors you posted.

rumors can come from word of mouth. you want recordings, or what?

You dont gotta trust me or these ppl. I do.

We'll see who is right, come monday.

Okay, you made up heard these "rumors," so you can't share a link. How about the link to Gordon having pissed different THC levels in his A/B specimens before? The one you claimed to have posted, but you'd re-post it when you got home? When do we get to see that?

You're absolutely just trolling now

Take it easy, guy.

 

[Bayhawks]

Still waiting on links to either of the pieces of news/rumors you posted.

rumors can come from word of mouth. you want recordings, or what?

You dont gotta trust me or these ppl. I do.

We'll see who is right, come monday.

Okay, you made up heard these "rumors," so you can't share a link. How about the link to Gordon having pissed different THC levels in his A/B specimens before? The one you claimed to have posted, but you'd re-post it when you got home? When do we get to see that?

You're absolutely just trolling now

Take it easy, guy.

Still no link? I'm shocked!

 

[Soulfly3]

Read what I posted a few times

Ask someone for help afterwards if you still cannot grasp it

Done conversing w you. You have no agenda except to come in and slam me while having. apparently, a serious reading comprehension issue.

Take care