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WR Josh Gordon, KC (6 Viewers)

The appearance at camp means nothing per say right? Guys have showed up before the announcement is made

My apologies for sounding a bit negative I tend to view all angles and have a positive attitude

Now the other radio report kinda lost me.. The appeal continues, w/o Josh in attendance?

 
Tony Grossi ‏@TonyGrossi 1m

Confirming #Browns WR Josh Gordon is here and will practice. No news however on appeal of suspension.
According to local radio, hearing will resume in NY around noon.
So is the continuation of his appeal going to be heard with out him or is he going to fly back to NY?
If he is needed it will be via teleconference according to Grossi on the radio.

ETA practice ends at noon
Thank-you Sir for the Good Info!

 
Grossi: "I'm getting a vibe that it (the suspension) will be something less than indefinite."
I gotta stop betting against high-priced lawyers.

I already think he'll beat that DUI and make it disappear, so getting less than a full year on this count would be a huge win.

Still not buying the long-term though.

 
Grossi: "I'm getting a vibe that it (the suspension) will be something less than indefinite."
I gotta stop betting against high-priced lawyers.

I already think he'll beat that DUI and make it disappear, so getting less than a full year on this count would be a huge win.

Still not buying the long-term though.
A year can be less then indefinite.
Possible I guess... a year, with automatic reinstatement if he keeps his nose clean would be a win too.

 
This is a lawyer's point of view looking at the Josh Gordon appeal.

This is exactly what I had said about what I would do if I were JG's defense team, go after the metrology. The NFL has an untenable legal position with the arbitrary outcomes from the exact same sample even before a good lawyer could rip Panama canal type holes into the capricious labeling practices that are completely left to chance as to which sample is used to mete out punishment.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/245-josh-gordon-will-look-to-catch-a-break-with-strong-appeal.html

Josh Gordon Will Look To Catch A Break With Strong Appeal I fully expect Josh Gordon’s legal team to get the calendar-year ban lifted following his appeal this Friday.

I have defended clients in court who tested positive for drugs, challenged positive test results and cross-examined several lab technicians and doctors regarding drug test results. I started salivating when I saw the results of Gordon’s drug tests—as much as a shark, mosquito (or any other animal, insect, etc. you call lawyers) can salivate.

First is the arbitrary and completely random labeling of the “A” and “B” bottles of urine. That, alone, should be enough to get the suspension lifted.

Bottle “A” was a nanogram above the extremely low 15 ng/ml cut-off level (the World Anti-Doping Agency raised its limit from 15 ng/ml to 150 ng/ml to account for secondhand smoke, among other things), while bottle “B” was below the limit.

Had bottle “B” been labeled “A” and tested first, the only reason we would be discussing Gordon would be arguing over whether he would be the No. 1 wide receiver this year or not. Instead, bottle “A” was labeled “A” and tested first so here we are.

Such arbitrariness should not control Gordon’s fate when it comes to his livelihood.

Here is something that is not arbitrary: the type of testing that is done in these cases.

Typically, the first urine sample is tested for a panel of different drugs. If that sample comes back positive for a particular substance, then the second urine sample is tested using a different, more specific form of analysis. That different analysis is called gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS).

GC/MS identifies the drug molecules based on characteristic fragmentation patterns at specific retention times. In other words, GC/MS is a highly sensitive form of detecting the true and accurate level of the substance in the urine that is only usually done to confirm the first positive test.

If GC/MS was done on Gordon’s second sample and not the first, then the argument is that the true and accurate level of marijuana in his system was 13.63 ng/ml, not the 16 ng/ml that was in bottle “A.” That too, is enough to get his suspension lifted.

It’s been said that Gordon will argue his urine was positive for marijuana (THC, actually) due to secondhand smoke. The cut-off level for marijuana is so low in the NFL that that argument is completely reasonable.

Remember back in 1998 when that snowboarder won the Olympic gold medal only to get it snatched away from him by the Olympic Committee because he tested positive for marijuana? That was Ross Rebagliati, and he tested positive for marijuana at 17.8 ng/ml.

Regabliati claimed the THC metabolite ended up in his system due to secondhand smoke. The Olympic Committee gave the gold medal back, mainly due to marijuana not being on the Olympics’ banned-substance list. So it’s not the first time we’ve heard the secondhand smoke argument.

Gordon’s secondhand smoke argument is problematic because the NFL holds these guys accountable for what goes into their bodies, which is also completely reasonable.

Then there is the chain-of-custody to examine, along with a host of other potential problems that come along with drug testing, including calibration of machines and certification of the labs where the testing was done—that’s where the details matter.

Gordon’s legal team, of course, has those details and will present them on Friday. Based on what’s been reported thus far, and what I know about Gordon's drug test results, I think the only types of hits Gordon will be taking are from defensive backs.
Anyone with a metrology background would make mincemeat out of the NFL's evidence.

I'm thinking that the ten hour long meeting Friday with nothing being resolved hints that we will see some sort of a deal being worked out.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
I cannot sleep all night thinking how much fun this thread is going to be tomorrow or maybe Tues/Wed? Good luck to all of your egos .... Winning an internet message board battle has to be on top of your resumes!
See you in a couple of weeks.

 
This is a lawyer's point of view looking at the Josh Gordon appeal.

This is exactly what I had said about what I would do if I were JG's defense team, go after the metrology. The NFL has an untenable legal position with the arbitrary outcomes from the exact same sample even before a good lawyer could rip Panama canal type holes into the capricious labeling practices that are completely left to chance as to which sample is used to mete out punishment.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/245-josh-gordon-will-look-to-catch-a-break-with-strong-appeal.html

Josh Gordon Will Look To Catch A Break With Strong Appeal I fully expect Josh Gordon’s legal team to get the calendar-year ban lifted following his appeal this Friday.

I have defended clients in court who tested positive for drugs, challenged positive test results and cross-examined several lab technicians and doctors regarding drug test results. I started salivating when I saw the results of Gordon’s drug tests—as much as a shark, mosquito (or any other animal, insect, etc. you call lawyers) can salivate.

First is the arbitrary and completely random labeling of the “A” and “B” bottles of urine. That, alone, should be enough to get the suspension lifted.

Bottle “A” was a nanogram above the extremely low 15 ng/ml cut-off level (the World Anti-Doping Agency raised its limit from 15 ng/ml to 150 ng/ml to account for secondhand smoke, among other things), while bottle “B” was below the limit.

Had bottle “B” been labeled “A” and tested first, the only reason we would be discussing Gordon would be arguing over whether he would be the No. 1 wide receiver this year or not. Instead, bottle “A” was labeled “A” and tested first so here we are.

Such arbitrariness should not control Gordon’s fate when it comes to his livelihood.

Here is something that is not arbitrary: the type of testing that is done in these cases.

Typically, the first urine sample is tested for a panel of different drugs. If that sample comes back positive for a particular substance, then the second urine sample is tested using a different, more specific form of analysis. That different analysis is called gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS).

GC/MS identifies the drug molecules based on characteristic fragmentation patterns at specific retention times. In other words, GC/MS is a highly sensitive form of detecting the true and accurate level of the substance in the urine that is only usually done to confirm the first positive test.

If GC/MS was done on Gordon’s second sample and not the first, then the argument is that the true and accurate level of marijuana in his system was 13.63 ng/ml, not the 16 ng/ml that was in bottle “A.” That too, is enough to get his suspension lifted.

It’s been said that Gordon will argue his urine was positive for marijuana (THC, actually) due to secondhand smoke. The cut-off level for marijuana is so low in the NFL that that argument is completely reasonable.

Remember back in 1998 when that snowboarder won the Olympic gold medal only to get it snatched away from him by the Olympic Committee because he tested positive for marijuana? That was Ross Rebagliati, and he tested positive for marijuana at 17.8 ng/ml.

Regabliati claimed the THC metabolite ended up in his system due to secondhand smoke. The Olympic Committee gave the gold medal back, mainly due to marijuana not being on the Olympics’ banned-substance list. So it’s not the first time we’ve heard the secondhand smoke argument.

Gordon’s secondhand smoke argument is problematic because the NFL holds these guys accountable for what goes into their bodies, which is also completely reasonable.

Then there is the chain-of-custody to examine, along with a host of other potential problems that come along with drug testing, including calibration of machines and certification of the labs where the testing was done—that’s where the details matter.

Gordon’s legal team, of course, has those details and will present them on Friday. Based on what’s been reported thus far, and what I know about Gordon's drug test results, I think the only types of hits Gordon will be taking are from defensive backs.
Anyone with a metrology background would make mincemeat out of the NFL's evidence.

I'm thinking that the ten hour long meeting Friday with nothing being resolved hints that we will see some sort of a deal being worked out.
I'm hoping he's right; however, he doesn't even seem to consider the CBA. The NFLPA (of which Gordon is a member) agreed to all the details that this lawyer is complaining about: the cutoff levels, the testing methods, the A/B randomness, the penalty for violations, etc. It would seem very difficult to have legal standing to say "I/we agreed to all of these details, but now I want to ignore them." I still think Gordon's best bet is if there were something done "wrong." A sample was mis-labeled, a tester made a mistake, a seal was broken, etc. Basically, he needs a Ryan Braun type event to beat this thing.

 
Possible I guess... a year, with automatic reinstatement if he keeps his nose clean would be a win too.
I would have a hard time considering that a win. If he hadn't dragged this out with the appeal and he got the indefinite suspension a few months ago, and kept his nose clean for a year, it seems unlikely that he would not have gotten reinstated before next season. I guess its something to avoid having to re-apply, but 16 games is 16 games IMO.

 
This is a lawyer's point of view looking at the Josh Gordon appeal.

This is exactly what I had said about what I would do if I were JG's defense team, go after the metrology. The NFL has an untenable legal position with the arbitrary outcomes from the exact same sample even before a good lawyer could rip Panama canal type holes into the capricious labeling practices that are completely left to chance as to which sample is used to mete out punishment.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/245-josh-gordon-will-look-to-catch-a-break-with-strong-appeal.html

Josh Gordon Will Look To Catch A Break With Strong Appeal

I fully expect Josh Gordon’s legal team to get the calendar-year ban lifted following his appeal this Friday.

I have defended clients in court who tested positive for drugs, challenged positive test results and cross-examined several lab technicians and doctors regarding drug test results. I started salivating when I saw the results of Gordon’s drug tests—as much as a shark, mosquito (or any other animal, insect, etc. you call lawyers) can salivate.

First is the arbitrary and completely random labeling of the “A” and “B” bottles of urine. That, alone, should be enough to get the suspension lifted.

Bottle “A” was a nanogram above the extremely low 15 ng/ml cut-off level (the World Anti-Doping Agency raised its limit from 15 ng/ml to 150 ng/ml to account for secondhand smoke, among other things), while bottle “B” was below the limit.

Had bottle “B” been labeled “A” and tested first, the only reason we would be discussing Gordon would be arguing over whether he would be the No. 1 wide receiver this year or not. Instead, bottle “A” was labeled “A” and tested first so here we are.

Such arbitrariness should not control Gordon’s fate when it comes to his livelihood.

Here is something that is not arbitrary: the type of testing that is done in these cases.

Typically, the first urine sample is tested for a panel of different drugs. If that sample comes back positive for a particular substance, then the second urine sample is tested using a different, more specific form of analysis. That different analysis is called gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS).

GC/MS identifies the drug molecules based on characteristic fragmentation patterns at specific retention times. In other words, GC/MS is a highly sensitive form of detecting the true and accurate level of the substance in the urine that is only usually done to confirm the first positive test.

If GC/MS was done on Gordon’s second sample and not the first, then the argument is that the true and accurate level of marijuana in his system was 13.63 ng/ml, not the 16 ng/ml that was in bottle “A.” That too, is enough to get his suspension lifted.

It’s been said that Gordon will argue his urine was positive for marijuana (THC, actually) due to secondhand smoke. The cut-off level for marijuana is so low in the NFL that that argument is completely reasonable.

Remember back in 1998 when that snowboarder won the Olympic gold medal only to get it snatched away from him by the Olympic Committee because he tested positive for marijuana? That was Ross Rebagliati, and he tested positive for marijuana at 17.8 ng/ml.

Regabliati claimed the THC metabolite ended up in his system due to secondhand smoke. The Olympic Committee gave the gold medal back, mainly due to marijuana not being on the Olympics’ banned-substance list. So it’s not the first time we’ve heard the secondhand smoke argument.

Gordon’s secondhand smoke argument is problematic because the NFL holds these guys accountable for what goes into their bodies, which is also completely reasonable.

Then there is the chain-of-custody to examine, along with a host of other potential problems that come along with drug testing, including calibration of machines and certification of the labs where the testing was done—that’s where the details matter.

Gordon’s legal team, of course, has those details and will present them on Friday. Based on what’s been reported thus far, and what I know about Gordon's drug test results, I think the only types of hits Gordon will be taking are from defensive backs.
Anyone with a metrology background would make mincemeat out of the NFL's evidence.

I'm thinking that the ten hour long meeting Friday with nothing being resolved hints that we will see some sort of a deal being worked out.
I'm hoping he's right; however, he doesn't even seem to consider the CBA. The NFLPA (of which Gordon is a member) agreed to all the details that this lawyer is complaining about: the cutoff levels, the testing methods, the A/B randomness, the penalty for violations, etc. It would seem very difficult to have legal standing to say "I/we agreed to all of these details, but now I want to ignore them." I still think Gordon's best bet is if there were something done "wrong." A sample was mis-labeled, a tester made a mistake, a seal was broken, etc. Basically, he needs a Ryan Braun type event to beat this thing.
Bay hawks, know this, the NFLPA has been at the forefront of Gordon's defense, they are heavily involved, along with Gordon's OJ level law team. They are attacking the process and , apparently, getting a lot of traction. It's amazing how many holes a well healed law team can find in the tightest of agreements (CBA). When testing procedures are not tightly controlled, a good legal team can make it look like a free for all in the lab and when you're deciding someone's future at their very lucrative livelihood, lawyers start salivating, and the Goodells of the world start shrinking.

 
This is a lawyer's point of view looking at the Josh Gordon appeal.

This is exactly what I had said about what I would do if I were JG's defense team, go after the metrology. The NFL has an untenable legal position with the arbitrary outcomes from the exact same sample even before a good lawyer could rip Panama canal type holes into the capricious labeling practices that are completely left to chance as to which sample is used to mete out punishment.

http://fieldandcourt.com/component/k2/item/245-josh-gordon-will-look-to-catch-a-break-with-strong-appeal.html

Josh Gordon Will Look To Catch A Break With Strong Appeal I fully expect Josh Gordon’s legal team to get the calendar-year ban lifted following his appeal this Friday.

I have defended clients in court who tested positive for drugs, challenged positive test results and cross-examined several lab technicians and doctors regarding drug test results. I started salivating when I saw the results of Gordon’s drug tests—as much as a shark, mosquito (or any other animal, insect, etc. you call lawyers) can salivate.

First is the arbitrary and completely random labeling of the “A” and “B” bottles of urine. That, alone, should be enough to get the suspension lifted.

Bottle “A” was a nanogram above the extremely low 15 ng/ml cut-off level (the World Anti-Doping Agency raised its limit from 15 ng/ml to 150 ng/ml to account for secondhand smoke, among other things), while bottle “B” was below the limit.

Had bottle “B” been labeled “A” and tested first, the only reason we would be discussing Gordon would be arguing over whether he would be the No. 1 wide receiver this year or not. Instead, bottle “A” was labeled “A” and tested first so here we are.

Such arbitrariness should not control Gordon’s fate when it comes to his livelihood.

Here is something that is not arbitrary: the type of testing that is done in these cases.

Typically, the first urine sample is tested for a panel of different drugs. If that sample comes back positive for a particular substance, then the second urine sample is tested using a different, more specific form of analysis. That different analysis is called gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS).

GC/MS identifies the drug molecules based on characteristic fragmentation patterns at specific retention times. In other words, GC/MS is a highly sensitive form of detecting the true and accurate level of the substance in the urine that is only usually done to confirm the first positive test.

If GC/MS was done on Gordon’s second sample and not the first, then the argument is that the true and accurate level of marijuana in his system was 13.63 ng/ml, not the 16 ng/ml that was in bottle “A.” That too, is enough to get his suspension lifted.

It’s been said that Gordon will argue his urine was positive for marijuana (THC, actually) due to secondhand smoke. The cut-off level for marijuana is so low in the NFL that that argument is completely reasonable.

Remember back in 1998 when that snowboarder won the Olympic gold medal only to get it snatched away from him by the Olympic Committee because he tested positive for marijuana? That was Ross Rebagliati, and he tested positive for marijuana at 17.8 ng/ml.

Regabliati claimed the THC metabolite ended up in his system due to secondhand smoke. The Olympic Committee gave the gold medal back, mainly due to marijuana not being on the Olympics’ banned-substance list. So it’s not the first time we’ve heard the secondhand smoke argument.

Gordon’s secondhand smoke argument is problematic because the NFL holds these guys accountable for what goes into their bodies, which is also completely reasonable.

Then there is the chain-of-custody to examine, along with a host of other potential problems that come along with drug testing, including calibration of machines and certification of the labs where the testing was done—that’s where the details matter.

Gordon’s legal team, of course, has those details and will present them on Friday. Based on what’s been reported thus far, and what I know about Gordon's drug test results, I think the only types of hits Gordon will be taking are from defensive backs.
Anyone with a metrology background would make mincemeat out of the NFL's evidence.

I'm thinking that the ten hour long meeting Friday with nothing being resolved hints that we will see some sort of a deal being worked out.
I'm hoping he's right; however, he doesn't even seem to consider the CBA. The NFLPA (of which Gordon is a member) agreed to all the details that this lawyer is complaining about: the cutoff levels, the testing methods, the A/B randomness, the penalty for violations, etc. It would seem very difficult to have legal standing to say "I/we agreed to all of these details, but now I want to ignore them." I still think Gordon's best bet is if there were something done "wrong." A sample was mis-labeled, a tester made a mistake, a seal was broken, etc. Basically, he needs a Ryan Braun type event to beat this thing.
The players union agreement with the league is only a company policy. It has no legal teeth whatsoever. Your company can make you sign an agreement to work for them but if they suspend you on baseless legal grounds you have every right to legally defend yourself.

Even if it is agreed upon a company policy says that an employee cannot question their test results the company knows that employee can and will question every aspect of those results if their is any question about the results and the company plans to suspend the employee and take away their salary for a year.

IOWs, that agreement works if the test results show clear results but the results are not clear and that opens up a legal can of worms. I am sure the NFL knows this and that is why the meeting(s) took soo long to get going and are now taking an excruciating long time.

 
That noon call can't come soon enough and put this to rest, hopefully.

The emotional attachment to this thread has brought out the true ugly.

And now we have people getting suspensions form the boards. That's sad. Almost as sad as the way it's being handled Just wish it could be a bit more diplomatic than "see you in a couple of weeks").

 
Sweetness_34 said:
I cannot sleep all night thinking how much fun this thread is going to be tomorrow or maybe Tues/Wed? Good luck to all of your egos .... Winning an internet message board battle has to be on top of your resumes!
See you in a couple of weeks.
Just curious. Was this person just banned for that post? Reason I ask is that I am unsure how to interpret the "see you in a couple of weeks" reply. Thanks.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
I cannot sleep all night thinking how much fun this thread is going to be tomorrow or maybe Tues/Wed? Good luck to all of your egos .... Winning an internet message board battle has to be on top of your resumes!
See you in a couple of weeks.
Just curious. Was this person just banned for that post? Reason I ask is that I am unsure how to interpret the "see you in a couple of weeks" reply. Thanks.
Unless, Sweetness and the Moderator have a lunch date in late August, I'm guessing that was a suspension.

This is probably the closest Gordon owners have to some real hope. I still think we see a year suspension based on the law (CBA) and facts, but maybe they cut the kid another break.

People that sold low have to be sweating right now.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
I cannot sleep all night thinking how much fun this thread is going to be tomorrow or maybe Tues/Wed? Good luck to all of your egos .... Winning an internet message board battle has to be on top of your resumes!
See you in a couple of weeks.
Just curious. Was this person just banned for that post? Reason I ask is that I am unsure how to interpret the "see you in a couple of weeks" reply. Thanks.
There was an earlier post along the lines of IF Warned before, expect more if your post in the section is unacceptable.

 
"(RotoWire)Gordon, who is still awaiting a decision on his appeal of a season-long suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy, is practicing Monday, Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland reports.

Analysis: Gordon was unable to practice Saturday after having his hearing Friday, and the meeting is reportedly scheduled to continue again Monday. An independent arbitrator will reportedly decide on whether the season-long suspension is a fit punishment, and he is unlikely to reduce the penalty; he will either uphold the entire suspension or overturn it completely. Unfortunately for Gordon, he could also be facing another suspension for a DWI in May. Gordon is able to continue practicing until a decision is reached."

The analysis makes sense....either all or nothing as the lawyers either convince the arbitrator of the lack of validity of the two disparate samples and/or 2nd hand smoke defense or they don't.

 
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per NFL Network: Josh Gordon will speak w Goodell at noon on the phone..
I wonder if Lavon Brazill got to talk to the commish. He was a ham and egger , so I'll guess he just got a letter in the mail saying your out for a year.
yeah I dunno about this talk w Goodell at noon thing Im pretty sure its suppose to actually be that his appeal hearing is to start back up..

Personally I wouldn't be shocked to find the Commish spending a lot of his time doing things just like that (meet w players like Brazil or at a min. speak to them via phone)

Note// NFL really is hammering phone w Goodell at noon about his appeal

 
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That noon call can't come soon enough and put this to rest, hopefully.

The emotional attachment to this thread has brought out the true ugly.

And now we have people getting suspensions form the boards. That's sad. Almost as sad as the way it's being handled Just wish it could be a bit more diplomatic than "see you in a couple of weeks").
Sweetness_34 said:
I cannot sleep all night thinking how much fun this thread is going to be tomorrow or maybe Tues/Wed? Good luck to all of your egos .... Winning an internet message board battle has to be on top of your resumes!
See you in a couple of weeks.
Just curious. Was this person just banned for that post? Reason I ask is that I am unsure how to interpret the "see you in a couple of weeks" reply. Thanks.
He's been doing it for personal attacks. Primarily in the Gordon/Michael threads. Pretty random... especially since there hasn't been any moderating around these parts for several months.

 
Reaching zero tolerance for this thread. We can't seem to go more than a page without the insults and bickering returning.

Expect even less leeway. Don't insult others, question their identity, jump on every post they make, call them a troll, say they are full of crap, or question their intelligence or their reading comprehension. Veiled insults and insinuations won't be tolerated any more than overt insults.

If you can't be civil you're going to get a long break from the board. For any who already have crossed the line in this thread, it will be even longer.
This was posted two days ago, and it is worth heeding by all of us posting because:

Personally I do not wish to see this thread locked..

please and thank-you!

 
Reaching zero tolerance for this thread. We can't seem to go more than a page without the insults and bickering returning.

Expect even less leeway. Don't insult others, question their identity, jump on every post they make, call them a troll, say they are full of crap, or question their intelligence or their reading comprehension. Veiled insults and insinuations won't be tolerated any more than overt insults.

If you can't be civil you're going to get a long break from the board. For any who already have crossed the line in this thread, it will be even longer.
This was posted two days ago, and it is worth heeding by all of us posting because:

Personally I do not wish to see this thread locked..

please and thank-you!
Thanks for pointing this out. I had overlooked it.

 
That noon call can't come soon enough and put this to rest, hopefully.

The emotional attachment to this thread has brought out the true ugly.

And now we have people getting suspensions form the boards. That's sad. Almost as sad as the way it's being handled Just wish it could be a bit more diplomatic than "see you in a couple of weeks").
Hey Shutout.

Hopefully the dozen requests and warnings that already happened in this thread were diplomatic. They have worked well in other threads. But not in here.

The warning post before this last infraction was intentionally blunt. The insults in this thread haven't stopped, so expect zero tolerance and long suspensions now.

The post you are referring to was also intentionally blunt. Not out of any desire to be mean, but so it will be clear the point we're at. Agree that it is sad it had to come to this.

 
Listening to 92.3 CLE sports talk online, and they've said like five times in the last ten minutes that Gordon and the Browns aren't expecting any kind of final ruling today. :mellow:
so what is the call with Goddell about? Hi Josh, how's it going? Your whole suspension thing kind of made me look like an idiot when juxtuposed vs. the Ray Rice incident. Hope you had a good summer....

 
That noon call can't come soon enough and put this to rest, hopefully.

The emotional attachment to this thread has brought out the true ugly.

And now we have people getting suspensions form the boards. That's sad. Almost as sad as the way it's being handled Just wish it could be a bit more diplomatic than "see you in a couple of weeks").
Hey Shutout.

Hopefully the dozen requests and warnings that already happened in this thread were diplomatic. They have worked well in other threads. But not in here.

The warning post before this last infraction was intentionally blunt. The insults in this thread haven't stopped, so expect zero tolerance and long suspensions now.

The post you are referring to was also intentionally blunt. Not out of any desire to be mean, but so it will be clear the point we're at. Agree that it is sad it had to come to this.
Thank you for the reply.

That makes sense. I am sure I have missed some posts in this large, large thread (mostly because the fighting got to be so much that I scan/skip sections which have primarily two posters arguing going back and forth), so I was a bit lost on how this was being carried out. If people have been warned and don't get it, by all means, please execute the suspension so the rest of us can get back to the true purpose of the boards.

My only concern was that the hammer was just striking wild and free (which apparently it is not) and, like a few others have mentioned, that the thread would be locked (always hate to get caught up in the "one bad apple ruins the barrel for all of us" scenario).

Thanks again for the reply and for helping keep it clean for the rest of us.

 
I'd be surprised if Gordon gets his suspension reduced, but Goodell has got to be smarting from the Ray Rice / Josh Gordon suspension comparisons that have been going on this week.

 
Listening to 92.3 CLE sports talk online, and they've said like five times in the last ten minutes that Gordon and the Browns aren't expecting any kind of final ruling today. :mellow:
so what is the call with Goddell about? Hi Josh, how's it going? Your whole suspension thing kind of made me look like an idiot when juxtuposed vs. the Ray Rice incident. Hope you had a good summer....
:popcorn: :popcorn:
I have no inside info about the pleasantries being exchanged between the two men. Only sports talk from presumed people with connections being reported. :shrug:

 
Listening to 92.3 CLE sports talk online, and they've said like five times in the last ten minutes that Gordon and the Browns aren't expecting any kind of final ruling today. :mellow:
so what is the call with Goddell about? Hi Josh, how's it going? Your whole suspension thing kind of made me look like an idiot when juxtuposed vs. the Ray Rice incident. Hope you had a good summer....
:popcorn: :popcorn:
I have no inside info about the pleasantries being exchanged between the two men. Only sports talk from presumed people with connections being reported. :shrug:
Wouldn't there be some kind of backlash from Gordon supporters if Goodell suspended Gordon without any kind of meeting with him at all?

On the flip side, he may be trying to get some feel as to how Gordon has handled all of this and if he learned anything from his recent transgressions if he was considering any leniency at all.

 
Grossi: "I'm getting a vibe that it (the suspension) will be something less than indefinite."
I gotta stop betting against high-priced lawyers.

I already think he'll beat that DUI and make it disappear, so getting less than a full year on this count would be a huge win.

Still not buying the long-term though.
A year can be less then indefinite.
Possible I guess... a year, with automatic reinstatement if he keeps his nose clean would be a win too.
I agree with this entirely.

 
it seems Goodell has painted himself into a corner with the Rice suspension. I don't see how the league can give Gordon a year long suspension and still come out looking like they don't condone domestic violence, at least to some extent.

 
I think at this point Ray Rice should get the benefit of the doubt from Goodell that he wont strike another woman. He has learned his lesson according to the NFL. He should have gotten four games but its too late for that now

Gordon doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because he clearly hasn't learned his lesson.

Personally, I don't get why the NFL tests players for weed in the offseason anyway. In season testing is ok but when the players are enjoying their time off out of season, they should be able to launch a rocket just like everyone else.

 
it seems Goodell has painted himself into a corner with the Rice suspension. I don't see how the league can give Gordon a year long suspension and still come out looking like they don't condone domestic violence, at least to some extent.
Simple, this was Rices first issue, this is not Gordons first. You see now?

 
it seems Goodell has painted himself into a corner with the Rice suspension. I don't see how the league can give Gordon a year long suspension and still come out looking like they don't condone domestic violence, at least to some extent.
Simple, this was Rices first issue, this is not Gordons first. You see now?
It's still a slap on the wrist for something that is quite serious in nature. Gotta think there will be a pretty significant PR fallout if it goes down like that.

 

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