WR Josh Gordon, KC (6 Viewers)

[Chaka]

There will never be a player this dumb again.

There already have been many players easily as dumb and plenty who are far dumber.

I was wrong about Gordon, and have no problem admitting it, but come on.

Lawrence Phillips and Art Schlichter are probably dumber.

Darryl Henley, Rae Carruth, Terrence Kiel, Nate Newton, Justin Blackmon (tie)...it's not hard to find incredibly stupid people who played in the NFL.

 

[Underachievers]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

 

[JetMaxx]

He hopes to be cleaning cars at that dealership now.

 

[ghostguy123]

Great idea!!! Maybe if he kills someone then the league won't even have to suspend him!!

Well now he will be out of the league with a lot more free time to drink and drive. You are right. It is a great idea.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

 

[towney]

So what happens with his salary, is he without a paycheck during this new suspension? If he's cut is he due any salary?

 

[ghostguy123]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

can only say this so many times

Yes, he got what he desverved based on the rules.

That does not mean the rules make any sense.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I just cut him. Feels good to no longer have to think about him.

Good for you. Dude in my league had him and kept insisting he was the #1 or #2 receiver in the league and wouldn't trade him. Keep in mind that this was in week 8 when he was still suspended and hadn't done squat FF-wise. The GM was convinced that Gordon was going to save his season.

He Ended up 2-12.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

When you're on your 42nd chance it doesn't take much.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

can only say this so many times

Yes, he got what he desverved based on the rules.

That does not mean the rules make any sense.

So the rule of "don't abuse substances while in the Substance Abuse Program" doesn't make any sense to you? Even after you've been busted multiple times and have a history?

 

[KCitons]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

can only say this so many times

Yes, he got what he desverved based on the rules.

That does not mean the rules make any sense.

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

 

[MaxThreshold]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

can only say this so many times

Yes, he got what he desverved based on the rules.

That does not mean the rules make any sense.

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

As can other felons on Probation. It's not just DUI offenders.

 

[trader jake]

At the time of this news, Gordon was ranked by FBG's as dynasty WR #14, single lowest ranking of #21. Tough loss for owners, hopefully Gordon gets his act together and comes back some day.

I'm still a little perplexed by the league's rule keeping a player like Gordon (or Blackman, etc) away from the structure of a team environment.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

 

[ghostguy123]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

 

[ghostguy123]

I have him in one league, deep rosters.

I will keep him until he is banished for good. No reason not to in a super deep league where the best waivers guys are the likes of Marcel Reece and Kyle Orton. I have Blackmon, too.

If this was the FFPC with a cut down to 14 QB/RB/WR/TE every offseason, not keeping him. Likely not either of them. I own Blackmon in one of those, and if there is no encouraging news by the end of Feb, might have to cut him. I anticipate cutting him

 

[trader jake]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

Probably determined by the number of roster spots.Smaller roster leagues, it probably makes sense to see if the rebuilding team has an open spot/interest - possible cut. In larger roster leagues, I'd stash him.

 

[Donnybrook]

I'm holding. Still have Aaron Hernandez on my roster too. Buy low like lottery tickets I say.

This cracked me up.

 

[Two Deep]

 

[KCitons]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

You're right. It's the NFL, they can choose who they want to employ and who they want to suspend. There is no argument, plenty of professions have rules on drug and alcohol use, even if a company operates in Colorado or Washington. If an employee doesn't like the rule, find new employment.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

Hmmm....like MULTIPLE violations?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

If the guy has a problem with alcohol (among other things), then as an organization it makes perfect sense to spell out terms of reinstatement that require him to stay off the booze. It's not dumb at all. It's actually quite sensible.

Gordon, meanwhile, is an utter buffoon.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

Try to trade for anything you can. He won't make it a year without messing up again and who knows what his condition will be by than anyway. Find someone who likes him and do your best.

 

[Banger]

You could see this coming from a mile away. Just a shame that the guy thinks the rules somehow don't apply to him. As I said before...million dollar talent, 10 cent head.

I dealt him for a 1st in my dynasty at the end of last year. Dodged that bullet.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Gordon is the poster child for risk vs reward in fantasy football, and there may not be a more clear cut example since Randy Moss. He's a guy that you could have bought or sold for a king's ransom at the right time only to watch his value crash to zero. Personally, I came here to dance on his perverbial grave one more time and pat myself on the back for selling when i did in the preseason 2014 for Colston plus the 1.06 (which most thought I was selling low). That 1.06 plus my 1.08 landed me Cooks, ODB, a championship, and $1675 in winnings in that league. I'm really not risk averse, but the red flags around Gordon are undeniable and if you held onto him when all signs pointed to cutting bait, well, at least you can say that you were warned and chose to play the odds. Your pride got the best of you.

It's time to face reality in dynasty, he is not worth the roster spot. Even if he lands on his feet again (with the Browns or with some mythical perfect scenario) he will always be one mis-step away from a substantial suspension and this is a guy who has shown that he is incapable of staying out of trouble for any amount of time. It's over. Thanks for the memories Josh.

 

[ghostguy123]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

You're right. It's the NFL, they can choose who they want to employ and who they want to suspend. There is no argument, plenty of professions have rules on drug and alcohol use, even if a company operates in Colorado or Washington. If an employee doesn't like the rule, find new employment.

Did I disagree with this somewhere??

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hold on, didn't we know he was blitzed at Johnny's week 17 party? If so, good 1 John; get your best player throw out of the league.

Well, its another off-season and another edition of "will they or won't they" starting Josh Gordon. Seriously this kid is the biggest turd in the NFL, I don't care what he did in 2013 this is a "what have you done lately" organization and lately this kid gets in the news for all the wrong reasons.

I'd trade him for Blackmon, that about all you can get right now.

 

[ghostguy123]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

Hmmm....like MULTIPLE violations?

How many people you know that would go to jail for drinking a beer with Josh Gordon's history?

Who would have that kind of restriction put on them? None of Gordon's violations (other than the DUI) would even be a legal matter in the first place.

He is an idiot, but the current rules are pretty idiotic also

 

[ghostguy123]

Hold on, didn't we know he was blitzed at Johnny's week 17 party? If so, good 1 John; get your best player throw out of the league.

Well, its another off-season and another edition of "will they or won't they" starting Josh Gordon. Seriously this kid is the biggest turd in the NFL, I don't care what he did in 2013 this is a "what have you done lately" organization and lately this kid gets in the news for all the wrong reasons.

I'd trade him for Blackmon, that about all you can get right now.

As a Blackmon owner, i would decline.......................that'swhere we are with Gordon now, yeesh

 

[KellysHeroes]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

Hmmm....like MULTIPLE violations?

How many people you know that would go to jail for drinking a beer with Josh Gordon's history?

Who would have that kind of restriction put on them? None of Gordon's violations (other than the DUI) would even be a legal matter in the first place.

He is an idiot, but the current rules are pretty idiotic also

If an organization is paying its employee to be an representative with said organization's customers and all said employee was doing is getting into trouble (even if said trouble is minor) then said employee is not good for business and would be fired.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

Cut. It's over. You could always hold and try to sell on draft day for a late 3rd or 4th but why would you even put yourself through that? Let someone else waste a roster spot.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

Cut. It's over. You could always hold and try to sell on draft day for a late 3rd or 4th but why would you even put yourself through that? Let someone else waste a roster spot.

no point in cutting now, he'll probably weasel his way into an 8 gamer

 

[ghostguy123]

If an organization is paying its employee to be an representative with said organization's customers and all said employee was doing is getting into trouble (even if said trouble is minor) then said employee is not good for business and would be fired.

I agree.

However other than the DUI, Gordon would not have gotten into any trouble if not for very very very very very strict rules. In which case, his name wouldn't be in the headlines for multiple violations.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Honest question for Gordon owners in dynasty: Cut or continue to hold and hope he gets his #### straightened out?

Cut. It's over. You could always hold and try to sell on draft day for a late 3rd or 4th but why would you even put yourself through that? Let someone else waste a roster spot.

no point in cutting now, he'll probably weasel his way into an 8 gamer

sure, you can hope that, or cleanse yourself and concentrate on winning. This is fantasy football we are talking about here. Even if Josh does play again in 2015, Norv Turner is no longer calling the ball in Cleveland, meaning the offensive philosophy has obviously changed and I believe there is no chance of a repeat of anything close to 2013 numbers, and not to mention the Maziel/QB fiasco brewing there....

 

[KCitons]

Certain states use the same policy. Some DUI offenders are required to report for alcohol checks in exchange for a reduced sentence. If they are found to have any alcohol in their system, the get to go to jail. (They probably lose their jobs too.)

True, however, this isn't the legal system. And Gordon getting that one DUI blowing a 0.9 would never give anyone EVER a court mandated "no alcohol" ban, unless they had other charges related to it, like killing someone or some other violent incidents.

You're right. It's the NFL, they can choose who they want to employ and who they want to suspend. There is no argument, plenty of professions have rules on drug and alcohol use, even if a company operates in Colorado or Washington. If an employee doesn't like the rule, find new employment.

Did I disagree with this somewhere??

Aren't you the one complaining about the NFL rules being too harsh?

 

[KellysHeroes]

is Soulfly ok?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Sad. I was pulling for him and he was good 2012-13. I would encourage a new thread, we have turned the page finally, hopefully it's not a denouement.

Dyno owners can pass all their chips to those in this thread who predicted this, and maybe the first one in line should be Jimmy Haslam.

 

[ghostguy123]

You're right. It's the NFL, they can choose who they want to employ and who they want to suspend. There is no argument, plenty of professions have rules on drug and alcohol use, even if a company operates in Colorado or Washington. If an employee doesn't like the rule, find new employment.

Did I disagree with this somewhere??

Aren't you the one complaining about the NFL rules being too harsh?

Yes, because they are. What did I disagree with?

As I said multiple times, Gordon idiotically broke the rules and got the punishment he deserved.

At the same time, the rules are defimitely too harsh IMO.

Or maybe the rules where I work are too lax. I am a registered nurse and have not been drug tested in 11 years, nor has any nurse or doctor I work with.

 

[KCitons]

You're right. It's the NFL, they can choose who they want to employ and who they want to suspend. There is no argument, plenty of professions have rules on drug and alcohol use, even if a company operates in Colorado or Washington. If an employee doesn't like the rule, find new employment.

Did I disagree with this somewhere??

Aren't you the one complaining about the NFL rules being too harsh?

Yes, because they are. What did I disagree with?

As I said multiple times, Gordon idiotically broke the rules and got the punishment he deserved.

At the same time, the rules are defimitely too harsh IMO.

Or maybe the rules where I work are too lax. I am a registered nurse and have not been drug tested in 11 years, nor has any nurse or doctor I work with.

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think being reinstated this season was the worst thing that could have happened to him.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Hold on, didn't we know he was blitzed at Johnny's week 17 party? If so, good 1 John; get your best player throw out of the league.

Well, its another off-season and another edition of "will they or won't they" starting Josh Gordon. Seriously this kid is the biggest turd in the NFL, I don't care what he did in 2013 this is a "what have you done lately" organization and lately this kid gets in the news for all the wrong reasons.

I'd trade him for Blackmon, that about all you can get right now.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_and_josh_gordon.html

From Dec 28th, Gordon attended Johnny's party and missed the next morning walk thru. This is why hes got to go, he knew the rules and consequences handed down to him for his 2nd, 3rd or whatever number chance he was on and Gordon still didn't care.

 

[Slider]

I'll just hold him. If you have a decent dynasty roster you just keep him and hope he changes. If he was 26 or 27 forget it but he's 23 for a couple more months and is worth stashing imo. I'd hate to cut him and watch him come back at 25 and light it up for 8 years.

 

[ghostguy123]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

Okay, so it's not necessarily the rule per say, it's just that you have an issue with testing for weed. Let me guess - you smoke weed, right?

 

[KCitons]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

Why is it silly for the NFL to test (and discipline) and it's not silly for your company? And while you may be fine with NFL players flaunting the fact that they get high, the NFL (and it's sponsors) don't.

 

[ghostguy123]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

Okay, so it's not necessarily the rule per say, it's just that you have an issue with testing for weed. Let me guess - you smoke weed, right?

I havent smoked weed in like 9 years.

Weed IMO is the dumbest thing I see players get suspended for. The non-approved pain killers and PEDs make sense to suspend guys, not weed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He was just suspended for alcohol use not weed.

 

[ghostguy123]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

Why is it silly for the NFL to test (and discipline) and it's not silly for your company? And while you may be fine with NFL players flaunting the fact that they get high, the NFL (and it's sponsors) don't.

Because I work in a hospital where my performance directly affects the healthcare of people. He is an NFL player. You don't see that difference?

And the 2nd thing you said, if players are flaunting it, that IMO should lead to some discipline. Maybe not a suspension, but discipline. If some idiot is video taped at a party toking up, that is 10000x different that random testing. If some player is an idiot and tweets pics of himself smoking up or tweets about blunts discipline the guy. That is totally different

 

[ghostguy123]

He was just suspended for alcohol use not weed.

He is in the program because of weed (mostly)

 

[KCitons]

Do you have policies on what happens if you test positive for drug use?

FWIW. I think the rule is just fine. If Gordon can't understand that he was given a second chance, he deserves to lose everything.

Yes I have policies at work, and if I test positive and not follow whatever protocol they have me on I would get fired. I would deserve to get fired. Thing is, they are NEVER going to test me or anyone else unless we screw something up so they can cover their asses.

I don't think the NFL substance rules are fine at all. I see zero reason they should ever test for weed, ever. Never.

If they player gets in trouble with the law for weed, then suspend them. Random testing for weed is just amazingly silly for NFL players IMO.

Why is it silly for the NFL to test (and discipline) and it's not silly for your company? And while you may be fine with NFL players flaunting the fact that they get high, the NFL (and it's sponsors) don't.

Because I work in a hospital where my performance directly affects the healthcare of people. He is an NFL player. You don't see that difference?

And the 2nd thing you said, if players are flaunting it, that IMO should lead to some discipline. Maybe not a suspension, but discipline. If some idiot is video taped at a party toking up, that is 10000x different that random testing. If some player is an idiot and tweets pics of himself smoking up or tweets about blunts discipline the guy. That is totally different

Hate to break it to you, but the healthcare of people isn't the driving force behind your work testing you. It has to do with money and liability. Same as the NFL. If it had no effect on the bottom line, neither company would care.