WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

[TxBuckeye]

Distancing yourself from your friends (and family?) sounds like the right path, but consider what it really means. Just because you hit it big, are you supposed to say, "I got new friends, now. I'll get back to you in a dozen years when my career is over."

No. But you are supposed to be smart enough to say "You know, I'm facing suspension if I get busted for pot again so, how about you don't go lighting up in my car while we're driving around in public?" On the bright side, at least he was driving fast so he could get there quicker and minimize his exposure.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Distancing yourself from your friends (and family?) sounds like the right path, but consider what it really means. Just because you hit it big, are you supposed to say, "I got new friends, now. I'll get back to you in a dozen years when my career is over."

No. But you are supposed to be smart enough to say "You know, I'm facing suspension if I get busted for pot again so, how about you don't go lighting up in my car while we're driving around in public?" On the bright side, at least he was driving fast so he could get there quicker and minimize his exposure.

Gordon DGAF. The few million he's already made will keep the party train rolling for a while and that's what he cares about. Hugely unlikely he ever plays another game.

 

[opensourcebeer]

What are current owners willing to sell/selling for? If you're buying, what are you paying?

On 5/26, I gave Gordon and the 2.09 for Harvin and the 3.05. This was the only league I got any interest in Gordon after the Schefter report and also the only league I was counting on Gordon to be my WR1.

I still own Gordon in two other leagues and would sell for a similar price in a heartbeat.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Gordon had one good season as the X-Receiver/deep threat in a Norv Turner offense... Regardless of looming suspensions, there's a good chance he was extremely overrated going into this year anyway.

 

[dickey moe]

If I lose this bet, Coop will tell you within minutes if I honoured it.

Are you British?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Cris Carter v2.0

but better.

Gordon has the talent of Chris Carter and the brains of Soulfly3

Is this called for, at all?

I've had zero communication with you, and have made my points in this thread. I haven't personally attacked anyone and expect the same in return.

It's also NO surprise that False Start liked your comment. Just shows what kind of person he's been this entire thread as well.

I don't think it is at all, and newbie always prided himself as being a nice guy, and for the most part he is. You've come across as deserpate, perhaps, and maybe a bit delusionsal (on this matter, I'm sure you're very rational in general) - but I have no idea why anyone would be angry at you or want to insult you.

I've never seen a topic, where people are to only so invested, but where it almost seems they believe they have all the answers and/or think what they say here will affect the outcome.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If I lose this bet, Coop will tell you within minutes if I honoured it.

Are you British?

He's Canadian

 

[gandalas]

Gordon had one good season as the X-Receiver/deep threat in a Norv Turner offense... Regardless of looming suspensions, there's a good chance he was extremely overrated going into this year anyway.

You mean the best season any WR has ever had under Turner? In only 14 games to boot?

Yes, I went back and checked every year. Nobody else came close. Irvin in 93-94 had some pretty good years, but even he was 300 yards less than Gordon. And that was with a HOF QB, RB, and O-line.

Much better than anything anyone else has ever done under Turner. And with probably the worst set of starting QBs that any WR under Turner has ever worked with, either. Campbell, Weeden, and Hoyer?

 

[amnesiac]

"Gordon was only cited for speeding and not for marijuana, so he dodged a bullet there. But the Cuyahoga County Sherriff's deputy detected the odor of marijuana in Gordon's car and cited one of the three passengers for possession. The NFL will not look favorably on this incident. Even though Gordon wasn't caught with pot, he was still careless enough to be in the same car with someone who had it on him. Besides, he's subject to testing up to 10 times a month, and can expect a notice anytime soon after this brush with the law. With Gordon in the process of appealing the anticipated indefinite ban, this brush with the law will certainly not help him and could very well hurt him."

from MKC article today.

she seems pretty certain he's in stage 3.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Gordon had one good season as the X-Receiver/deep threat in a Norv Turner offense... Regardless of looming suspensions, there's a good chance he was extremely overrated going into this year anyway.

You mean the best season any WR has ever had under Turner? In only 14 games to boot?Yes, I went back and checked every year. Nobody else came close. Irvin in 93-94 had some pretty good years, but even he was 300 yards less than Gordon. And that was with a HOF QB, RB, and O-line.

Much better than anything anyone else has ever done under Turner. And with probably the worst set of starting QBs that any WR under Turner has ever worked with, either. Campbell, Weeden, and Hoyer?

I definitely see your side of it, and I'm not saying he isn't talented, I'm just of the opinion that it was a perfect union of the right talent in the right system with the right set of circumstances. Things like the lack of a running game (something Norv has always had in the past), and the Browns always playing catchup surely contributed to more downfield targets.

 

[cdubz]

Guys can we keep this to Josh Gordon discussion? Thanks in advance.

 

[False Start]

Gordon had one good season as the X-Receiver/deep threat in a Norv Turner offense... Regardless of looming suspensions, there's a good chance he was extremely overrated going into this year anyway.

You mean the best season any WR has ever had under Turner? In only 14 games to boot?Yes, I went back and checked every year. Nobody else came close. Irvin in 93-94 had some pretty good years, but even he was 300 yards less than Gordon. And that was with a HOF QB, RB, and O-line.

Much better than anything anyone else has ever done under Turner. And with probably the worst set of starting QBs that any WR under Turner has ever worked with, either. Campbell, Weeden, and Hoyer?

I definitely see your side of it, and I'm not saying he isn't talented, I'm just of the opinion that it was a perfect union of the right talent in the right system with the right set of circumstances. Things like the lack of a running game (something Norv has always had in the past), and the Browns always playing catchup surely contributed to more downfield targets.

Gordon is as talented as it gets, he makes plays a lot of receivers cant make. This is no different that Blackmon, all the talent in the world and absolutely no urge to stay away from their troubling addictions. Gordon needs a long time away to get his mind right, in a different sense then his bong hits. He needs to know this is no joke and his career is in red alert. A year with a complete bill when it comes up to reinstatement. Not even a parking ticket. He needs to get his life in order if he is ever gonna play again and if he will ever be a fantasy asset again.

 

[opensourcebeer]

Guys can we keep this to Josh Gordon discussion? Thanks in advance.

Good post.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Guys can we keep this to Josh Gordon discussion? Thanks in advance.

Good post.

Very good post. The dozen post bickerfest has been deleted.

Guys, let's please keep it to constructive discussion of the football situation. If that isn't being done, running the thread into the ground counter attacking isn't the way to handle things.

 

[False Start]

saw this on ESPN Cleveland.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=33571

Josh Gordon continues to be a hot topic for the wrong reasons. It’s not easy to get Johnny Manziel off the top of the Hey Tony column, but Gordon did it again.


Hey Tony: With the recent news of Josh Gordon still hanging with friends that smoke marijuana, he has shown that he has not learned any lessons or learned from previous mistakes. While the minimum would be a one-year suspension, is it possible he could receive a longer punishment?
-- Jim, Benicia, CA

Hey Jim: If Gordon were in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program, he could be subject to an indefinite suspension. That penalty would allow him to merely apply for reinstatement after 12 months. Reinstatement would be up to the league and whether he followed terms of reinstatement set forth by the league’s medical director. It’s possible Gordon’s most recent episode (ticketed for speeding while a passenger possessed marijuana) would not impact a decision on his pending case. However, it possibly could come into play if he were in the position of having to apply for reinstatement in a year’s time.

Hey Tony: I do not understand the NFL's policies at all. Can you explain to me how Josh Gordon can smoke pot (or be in a room where that occurred) and as a result be suspended for a year, but Aldon Smith once again is arrested for far more serious charges again and will likely just miss a few games? Or how about Ray Rice beating his fiancée unconscious and likely to be suspended for far less time than Gordon. It seems to me that the morals of the NFL are far different than the rest of society. Do you think this will change someday soon? Can you explain how this makes sense and why there seems to be no push to change this upside down sense of justice?
-- Reggie, Los Angeles, CA

Hey Reggie: The NFL levies discipline for off-field violations under terms of three policies – Personal Conduct Policy, Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances, and Substances of Abuse Policy. Each policy has its own rules and penalties based on their violations. There is no rhyme or reason over what is the greater violation – an actual crime v. use of a performance-enhancing drug v. use of a recreational drug. The only consistency is that each policy comes down hard on repeat offenders. The league currently is in negotiation with the players association to amend its policies. It is doubtful that a new policy would be negotiated in time to have any bearing on the Gordon case.

Hey Tony: I just read your “New Direction” article. It appears that most reporters who cover the Browns have a positive feeling about this new front office and coaching regime. However almost all the new front office and coaching changes initially emitted hope and a change for the better. Why does this new management and coaching team seem to provide this feeling – more so than Banner/Lombardi, Holmgren/Heckert, Savage/Crennel, et al.? Thank you for your insight and keeping us connected to our beloved Browns.
-- David, Virginia Beach, VA

Hey David: I plead guilty to always believing the next regime will be the one to figure it out and rebuild this franchise the right way. The positive signs of this regime are 1. The players added in free agency and the draft, and 2. The people added in the personnel department. Only time will tell if they are any better or smarter than their predecessors.

Hey Tony: No question – just a quick note to compliment you on a nice piece of analysis on the competitive situation at the quarterback situation in Berea right now. Amid all the hoopla and hyperventilation, it’s good to get something insightful as your piece Thursday. With the managed access you guys have to deal with, it’s nice to get a peek behind the “protective layer” for a change. Keep it up.
-- David, Vista, CA

Hey David: Thanks for your kind words.

Hey Tony: With all the talk about Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel I was wondering if any of the coaches have had anything to say about the offensive line?
-- Greg Middletown, OH

Hey Greg: They are reserving judgment in this stage of the offseason, as the line adapts to coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s zone-blocking scheme. I can tell you the coaches think that center Alex Mack and rookie guard Joel Bitonio fit the scheme perfectly and that they believe Joe Thomas can fit any scheme. Coach Mike Pettine also has expressed a high opinion of Mitchell Schwartz. But, to their credit, they haven’t over-hyped the unit as a whole because they haven’t blocked anyone yet.

Hey Tony: If the Shanahans are good at one thing, it’s finding running backs to be very productive in their zone-blocking scheme. That’s no doubt why the Browns put a lot of emphasis on the O line and RB in this off season. This zone-blocking thing takes athletic guards that can move & block well in space, as I understand it. My question, though, has to do with the screen play. It’s shocking how bad the Browns have been at this the past few years. It would seem this new O line would to be better at this, right? It also seems the new running backs we have as well as Lewis would be ideally suited to run screen plays? Your thoughts?
-- Jeff, Denver, CO

Hey Jeff: Two reasons for the poor screen game in recent times were unathletic linemen, notably the guards, and poor accuracy on screen throws by the quarterbacks. I would expect the screen game to be improved dramatically – if Shanahan uses it enough.

Hey Tony: Do you think Johnny Manziel was really surprised by all the attention he received by going to Vegas? He loves the spotlight! Manziel is smart and he realizes that this will keep his image marketable. That means money in his pocket from endorsements. Tony, can you ever remember a player getting this much attention before they even played an NFL game? I thought RGIII was big, but Manziel seems to be everywhere. I know Hoyer would disagree, but I believe he would be much better off by starting the season as the backup QB. Everyone loves the backup and starting in front of Manziel could get ugly, even for a hometown boy.
-- Rick, Shreveport, LA

Hey Rick: Manziel might be the first star player borne from the social media era. He is more savvy in personal branding and social media than any player I’ve seen entering the NFL. As for the QB competition, I would expect Hoyer to stave off Manziel, as long as he can remain healthy. Hoyer’s experience in the NFL game should prevail. Manziel would have to be exceptional instantly to unseat Hoyer. If Hoyer does win the job, I would expect the won-loss record to dictate how long he keeps it.

Hey Tony: Why haven't the Browns signed any of their draft picks yet? Do you foresee any problems getting any of them signed before training camp?
-- Steve, Georgetown, TX

Hey Steve: Since your email arrived, the Browns did come to terms with fourth-round pick Pierre Desir, the cornerback from Lindenwood University. I don’t know why the Browns have lagged behind other teams in signing their rookie class. I don’t expect any problems in getting all six under contract for the start of training camp.

Hey Tony: Any chance Manziel's very public Vegas trip was an "in-your-face" to the Browns' front office for their very public "back-up" and "substantially behind" comments? Thanks.
-- Paul, Seattle, WA

Hey Paul: No chance of that.

Hey Tony: Dino Hall wore No. 1 in his first regular-season game of 1979 -- against the Steelers on 10-07. See photo on page 94 of "The 1980 Kardiac Kids, Our Untold Stories." When laying out the book, I chose that photo from contact sheets of a photographer who shot the game. Also, you're getting comments about No. 6. I believe Seneca Wallace was the first player in Browns history to wear the number. Thus, your pickings were slim.
-- Bob, Columbus, OH

Hey Bob: Thanks for clearing up Hall’s use of No. 1. Prior to Wallace, two other players wore No. 6 – wide receiver Remi Watson, a replacement player in 1987, and Lang Campbell, a never-used backup quarterback in 2006.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Guys can we keep this to Josh Gordon discussion? Thanks in advance.

Good post.

Very good post. The dozen post bickerfest has been deleted.

Guys, let's please keep it to constructive discussion of the football situation. If that isn't being done, running the thread into the ground counter attacking isn't the way to handle things.

I'm glad you posted this because I thought I was losing my mind. Read a post, went to the next page, ended up on the same page, and the post was gone. I wondered if the OP thought better of it and deleted it. But I considered the source and didn't think that was at all likely. At least now I know I'm not losing it.

 

[ldizzle]

Im sure it has been discussed but i dont want to go through 50 pages of bickering. Even when he gets banned for the season anyone think his career is done or can he make a comeback?

 

[JohnnyU]

God is perfect, man is not, man made whiskey, God created pot. I think it's a crime that Peyton Manning can have a beer and Josh Gordon can't have a doobie. I say that may change in the near future since the beginning of legalizing weed has begun.

 

[cstu]

God is perfect, man is not, man made whiskey, God created pot. I think it's a crime that Peyton Manning can have a beer and Josh Gordon can't have a doobie. I say that may change in the near future since the beginning of legalizing weed has begun.

God created opium too.

Edit: I'm in favor of legalizing everything.

 

[Milkman]

I'm for legalizing everything but drugs like crack and that crocodile ####.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Im sure it has been discussed but i dont want to go through 50 pages of bickering. Even when he gets banned for the season anyone think his career is done or can he make a comeback?

If he was in stage 3 and got a violation, that means he's in stage 3 for the rest of his career. Assuming he gets through his calendar year suspension without another violation (which is a bug assumption) and gets reinstated, he will be subject to the program, including up to 10 random tests per month, moving forward. Seems like a pretty poor bet given his history at this point.

 

[cstu]

Im sure it has been discussed but i dont want to go through 50 pages of bickering. Even when he gets banned for the season anyone think his career is done or can he make a comeback?

If he was in stage 3 and got a violation, that means he's in stage 3 for the rest of his career. Assuming he gets through his calendar year suspension without another violation (which is a bug assumption) and gets reinstated, he will be subject to the program, including up to 10 random tests per month, moving forward. Seems like a pretty poor bet given his history at this point.

Ricky Williams was suspended a year, came back and had a good year splitting time with Ronnie Brown before getting a year and a half long suspension.

This happened during the prime of his career as a RB (27-30). As a WR, Gordon's window is a lot longer than Ricky's was so he does have time to get himself together.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Im sure it has been discussed but i dont want to go through 50 pages of bickering. Even when he gets banned for the season anyone think his career is done or can he make a comeback?

If he was in stage 3 and got a violation, that means he's in stage 3 for the rest of his career. Assuming he gets through his calendar year suspension without another violation (which is a bug assumption) and gets reinstated, he will be subject to the program, including up to 10 random tests per month, moving forward. Seems like a pretty poor bet given his history at this point.

Ricky Williams was suspended a year, came back and had a good year splitting time with Ronnie Brown before getting a year and a half long suspension.

This happened during the prime of his career as a RB (27-30). As a WR, Gordon's window is a lot longer than Ricky's was so he does have time to get himself together.

Sure, it's possible. But I don't see much point in comparing two different human beings. Like I said, wouldn't bet on it. If Gordon does have a productive window, he becomes a must-sell.

 

[Bronco Billy]

God is perfect, man is not, man made whiskey, God created pot. I think it's a crime that Peyton Manning can have a beer and Josh Gordon can't have a doobie. I say that may change in the near future since the beginning of legalizing weed has begun.

The law shouldn't be the issue. His judgment should be. The law exists, the CBA exists. Gordon knows about both, and chose multiple times to risks literally tens of millions of dollars to act in contradiction to what he knew the law and the CBA to be.

That stupidity on an epic level, no matter how you feel about the law and/or the CBA. That's where the problem lies and there's been no indication Gordon has any desire to change his behavior or use improved judgment. Some guys eventually get it. He doesn't. His owners are going to have to deal with that.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

We should probably just focus on remembering the good times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7aJ3LY65c

....and I'm spent.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

Take a listen, Will made a few solid points in this interview concerning the Gordon suspension.

Don't forget last year Gordon's suspension was first announced as a four game suspension but that later got cut down to only two games. Brinson said the NFL is struggling with Gordon's suspension for some reason so he's right, Josh Gordon's suspension isn't cut-and-dried at this point in time.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/05/30/will-brinson-says-i-get-the-feeling-it-wont-be-cut-and-dry-with-josh-gordon-issue/

Will Brinson Says “I Get the Feeling It Won’t Be Cut and Dry” With Josh Gordon IssueListen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The FanMay 30, 2014 3:45 PM
NFL writer Will Brinson joined Bull & Fox with Anthony Lima to talk about the NFL’s suspension announcements with Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington and Giants safety Will Hill and the transparency surrounding suspensions, the reason(s) he thinks Johnny Manziel can win the starting quarterback position and his study involving the Browns and other teams trading to acquire future first round picks and how it will impact their future win totals.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

Take a listen, Will made a few solid points in this interview concerning the Gordon suspension.

Don't forget last year Gordon's suspension was first announced as a four game suspension but that later got cut down to only two games. Brinson said the NFL is struggling with Gordon's suspension for some reason so he's right, Josh Gordon's suspension isn't cut-and-dried at this point in time.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/05/30/will-brinson-says-i-get-the-feeling-it-wont-be-cut-and-dry-with-josh-gordon-issue/

Will Brinson Says I Get the Feeling It Wont Be Cut and Dry With Josh Gordon Issue



Listen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The FanMay 30, 2014 3:45 PM





NFL writer Will Brinson joined Bull & Fox with Anthony Lima to talk about the NFLs suspension announcements with Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington and Giants safety Will Hill and the transparency surrounding suspensions, the reason(s) he thinks Johnny Manziel can win the starting quarterback position and his study involving the Browns and other teams trading to acquire future first round picks and how it will impact their future win totals.

How dare you link someone with an objective point of view! Seems like this guy is the only guy I've heard who has actually put some thought into the situation...

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

Take a listen, Will made a few solid points in this interview concerning the Gordon suspension.

Don't forget last year Gordon's suspension was first announced as a four game suspension but that later got cut down to only two games. Brinson said the NFL is struggling with Gordon's suspension for some reason so he's right, Josh Gordon's suspension isn't cut-and-dried at this point in time.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/05/30/will-brinson-says-i-get-the-feeling-it-wont-be-cut-and-dry-with-josh-gordon-issue/

Will Brinson Says “I Get the Feeling It Won’t Be Cut and Dry” With Josh Gordon IssueListen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The FanMay 30, 2014 3:45 PM
NFL writer Will Brinson joined Bull & Fox with Anthony Lima to talk about the NFL’s suspension announcements with Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington and Giants safety Will Hill and the transparency surrounding suspensions, the reason(s) he thinks Johnny Manziel can win the starting quarterback position and his study involving the Browns and other teams trading to acquire future first round picks and how it will impact their future win totals.

any concessions he may have received will probably be taken off the table after his speeding (weed) issue.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

Take a listen, Will made a few solid points in this interview concerning the Gordon suspension.

Don't forget last year Gordon's suspension was first announced as a four game suspension but that later got cut down to only two games. Brinson said the NFL is struggling with Gordon's suspension for some reason so he's right, Josh Gordon's suspension isn't cut-and-dried at this point in time.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/05/30/will-brinson-says-i-get-the-feeling-it-wont-be-cut-and-dry-with-josh-gordon-issue/

Will Brinson Says I Get the Feeling It Wont Be Cut and Dry With Josh Gordon Issue

Listen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The FanMay 30, 2014 3:45 PM

NFL writer Will Brinson joined Bull & Fox with Anthony Lima to talk about the NFLs suspension announcements with Cardinals linebacker Daryl Washington and Giants safety Will Hill and the transparency surrounding suspensions, the reason(s) he thinks Johnny Manziel can win the starting quarterback position and his study involving the Browns and other teams trading to acquire future first round picks and how it will impact their future win totals.

How dare you link someone with an objective point of view! Seems like this guy is the only guy I've heard who has actually put some thought into the situation...

He's just speculating, just like everyone else. It isn't like the NFL has a day where all suspencions for the season are announced.

We don't know how the timing works. Maybe Washington failed his test, well before Gordon (allegedly) did. Maybe Washington didn't appeal and Gordon has.

I don't think we can take anything out of the other "announced suspensions" - they are unrelated. Wasn't Stedman Bailey's announced a month or so prior to Washinton's?

We'll know when we know.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

...

Maybe they were going to but Gordon's little traffic run-in gave them additional facts to consider, so they are looking into that and it will affect things.

 

[Soulfly3]

I wonder if Gordon will be even more of a PPR machine w Shanny in town.

Or if will be lower receptions with a better YPC for him, if Manziel is the QB - and Manziel goes all TAM w Gordon as his new Mike Evans.

 

[Bayhawks]

I wonder if Gordon will be even more of a PPR machine w Shanny in town.

Or if will be lower receptions with a better YPC for him, if Manziel is the QB - and Manziel goes all TAM w Gordon as his new Mike Evans.

Assuming he plays (this year or next), I don't think you're going to get much of a change from Gordon, based on Shanahan as his OC. Gordon was already averaging over 11 targets/game, with an extremely high YPR and a low(ish) catch rate.

If Shanny were to target him more on shorter routes, he might get more catches, but his YPR would likely drop. If Shanahan continues to utilize him on deeper routes (which makes more sense to me), his catch rate probably won't go up much higher, as it's harder to convert on the deeper routes.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

...

Maybe they were going to but Gordon's little traffic run-in gave them additional facts to consider, so they are looking into that and it will affect things.

Good point if they could have tested immediately after the incident. But that incident took place on Monday and this interview was late Friday after the other suspensions had been announced. Unless the NFL had a roving van with urinalysis tailing Gordon I doubt they could have done a side-road test and the NFL isn't giving suspensions for going 14 miles over the speed limit so I don't think the most recent incident has any effect on his ongoing case.

Brinson noted Josh's agent sounded POed and the other guys sounded resigned as if they had already made appeals and failed or didn't even bother because they were guilty. He said their is something different about the way Gordon's case is being handled.

When this story first broke Josh said he had no clue about the charge of a failed test and his agent said it was a false report. They don't seem to have backed down from the initial reports.

The thing that got me with the recent speeding and passenger being charged with possession is that the officer smelled pot in the vehicle and conducted a search.

For the cop to smell pot I would imagine the passenger must have lit up or had some really stanky weed in which case I would have to guess that Josh would have been tested positive if someone right next to him was smoking. I don't know how long that stays in the system or what the threshold is.

Its been reported that the NFL positive test is signficantly lower than a normal police positive test. Maybe someone can shed light on how low the parts per million/thousand/??? is and give us some knowledge of the science of what legally constitutes testing positive for pot and how long it stays in the system.

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One other point Brinson brought up in the interview that I forgot to note was the failed test by Von Miller last year was due to a missed or skipped test which automatially is listed as a POSITIVE failed drug test.

Von appealed that ruling and won a reduced suspension. Brinson felt that could be the reason why this hasn't been settled yet.

If the NFL had already made the decision to suspend Josh for the entire year then why would they wait on any recent incidents? They would have suspended him and added any other incidents/penalties to the previously announced suspension.

Brinson might be right about this casae being different.

 

[Soulfly3]

I know it's not game, but in practice, Gordon seems to be catching more of the "longer" variety of catches, which si what Id expect from him, even w Shanny.

Hawkins will likely have a career year in receptions running more of the short routes along w Austin, for the 2 games he plays before a hamstring injury

 

[Soulfly3]

Bracie, not that I doubt some of the guys in the car were smoking.

But even a half oz bag of weed or less can stink a car to high hell if it isnt properly sealed in an air tight container.

So it is entirely possibly NOONE was smoking, but it was in the vehicle. Though, of course, Im sure more than one person was hooting it at some point or another, and had their clothes smelling of it as well.

 

[False Start]

I wonder if Gordon will be even more of a PPR machine w Shanny in town.

Or if will be lower receptions with a better YPC for him, if Manziel is the QB - and Manziel goes all TAM w Gordon as his new Mike Evans.

Assuming he plays (this year or next), I don't think you're going to get much of a change from Gordon, based on Shanahan as his OC. Gordon was already averaging over 11 targets/game, with an extremely high YPR and a low(ish) catch rate.

If Shanny were to target him more on shorter routes, he might get more catches, but his YPR would likely drop. If Shanahan continues to utilize him on deeper routes (which makes more sense to me), his catch rate probably won't go up much higher, as it's harder to convert on the deeper routes.

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

 

[Bamac]

Bracie, not that I doubt some of the guys in the car were smoking.

But even a half oz bag of weed or less can stink a car to high hell if it isnt properly sealed in an air tight container.

So it is entirely possibly NOONE was smoking, but it was in the vehicle. Though, of course, Im sure more than one person was hooting it at some point or another, and had their clothes smelling of it as well.

Or the cop searched first and justified it later. Doesn't matter now: there was pot in the car.

 

[Soulfly3]

Bracie, not that I doubt some of the guys in the car were smoking.

But even a half oz bag of weed or less can stink a car to high hell if it isnt properly sealed in an air tight container.

So it is entirely possibly NOONE was smoking, but it was in the vehicle. Though, of course, Im sure more than one person was hooting it at some point or another, and had their clothes smelling of it as well.

Or the cop searched first and justified it later. Doesn't matter now: there was pot in the car.

Isn't that illegal?

Anyways, noone is disputing there was weed, so not sure what your point is.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

Come on.

No one has posted this is a good thing.

But don't let that stop you from pontificating.

Love those self righteous posts. <_<

 

[Soulfly3]

He's trying to troll me into an argument, but hasn't caught on yet that I'm not taking his bait - despite following me to other threads.

I told him discussions between us have ceased - doesn't matter, apparently.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Will Brinson commenting on the announced suspensions that took place last Friday and why their hasn't been an announcement on Browns WR Josh Gordon's impending suspension.

Brinson says he gets the 'feeling' that their is something different about Gordon's suspension and that it isn't as cut and dried as the other ones.

So he's not entirely sure Josh will have the hammer come down in the same way that the other players have.

LINK to podcast where Brinson says the Gordon appeal is different. He said it sounded like the other guys had already made and lost their appeals but that something is 'different' about the Gordon appeal.

If this was already settled the league would have simply suspended him Friday with the others so maybe Brinson is onto something.

...

Maybe they were going to but Gordon's little traffic run-in gave them additional facts to consider, so they are looking into that and it will affect things.

If one believes that, then one MUST believe his suspension was going to be shorter than previously predicted. Otherwise, if he were out for the year, he would still be out for the year...

 

[False Start]

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

Come on.

No one has posted this is a good thing.

But don't let that stop you from pontificating.

Love those self righteous posts. <_<

There are many trying to justify this as not a big deal and that is should not impact Gordon, if you say some have not said that you have not read this thread. If trying to understand why that is is self righteous, then so be it. I have those people on ignore but some keep quoting them so I still see it happening even after 50 pages of discussion.

Gordon getting pulled over with weed in the car is a big deal if it was his, someone elses or even if he didnt know about it. It is a gigantic deal.

 

[cstu]

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

Come on.

No one has posted this is a good thing.

But don't let that stop you from pontificating.

Love those self righteous posts. <_<

Pontificating? I don't think it's a stretch at all to think the league will be harsher on a player in the middle of an appeal over marijuana use who was busted with weed his car.

 

[Soulfly3]

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

Come on.

No one has posted this is a good thing.

But don't let that stop you from pontificating.

Love those self righteous posts. <_<

There are many trying to justify this as not a big deal and that is should not impact Gordon, if you say some have not said that you have not read this thread. If trying to understand why that is is self righteous, then so be it.

Gordon getting pulled over with weed in the car is a big deal if it was his, someone elses or even if he didnt know about it. It is a gigantic deal.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/23944743/chiefs-dwayne-bowe-ticketed-for-possession-of-controlled-substance

GIGANTIC deals, that end in zero game suspensions.

Even for a guy who's already been in the league's bad books for other offenses.

 

[cstu]

Sorry but I cant assume a person facing a year suspension before getting pulled over with weed in his car will play this year. So assuming stats will be pretty pointless unless you are assuming he may play in 2015.

Gordon was in a car that had weed in it and he is appealing a suspension which in tails a failed/missed test for drugs and has already been suspended for a drug issue before in the NFL. Not to mention the multiple colleges he got in trouble at for drug issues before. Explain to me how anyone can reasonably try to justify this as not a bad thing?

Come on.

No one has posted this is a good thing.

But don't let that stop you from pontificating.

Love those self righteous posts. <_<

There are many trying to justify this as not a big deal and that is should not impact Gordon, if you say some have not said that you have not read this thread. If trying to understand why that is is self righteous, then so be it.

Gordon getting pulled over with weed in the car is a big deal if it was his, someone elses or even if he didnt know about it. It is a gigantic deal.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/23944743/chiefs-dwayne-bowe-ticketed-for-possession-of-controlled-substance

GIGANTIC deals, that end in zero game suspensions.

Even for a guy who's already been in the league's bad books for other offenses.

Bowe pleaded guilty to defective equipment and littering.

“Dwayne’s case is now closed,” Regan said. “The case was firmly and fairly prosecuted. We investigated it thoroughly and found the appropriate motions in this case … there was no admission of guilty to marijuana possession, and our investigation revealed he did not possess marijuana. There was no guilty plea to the marijuana charge, it was dismissed, meaning it won’t be re-filed.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/16/4964096/chiefs-receiver-dwayne-bowe-pleads.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/16/4964096/chiefs-receiver-dwayne-bowe-pleads.html

Bowe hasn't been in trouble since 2009 and is not in the NFL's substance abuse program facing a one year suspension.

 

[Soulfly3]

Bowe: got arrested + admitted to smoking pot = zero suspension

Gordon: ticket for speeding + guy in his car, NOT HIM, fined for possession = gigantic deal?

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Again, Gordon is dumb. Wrong move. Doesn't look great from an outsiders view. But there is precedent set just 6 months back w Bowe. This isn't going to change the commish's mind on if he gets 6 games or 16.

"we were gonna give him 6, but he got a speeding ticket... so 16?" no... doubtful

or

"we were giving you 16 games anyways, and this just makes it look increasingly credible" sure... I can get behind that

 

[Soulfly3]

Jason La Canfora on Marijuana and the League

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24579115/time-for-roger-goodell-and-nfl-to-get-real-about-players-marijuana-use

 

[Bayhawks]

Bowe: got arrested + admitted to smoking pot = zero suspension

Gordon: ticket for speeding + guy in his car, NOT HIM, fined for possession = gigantic deal?

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Again, Gordon is dumb. Wrong move. Doesn't look great from an outsiders view. But there is precedent set just 6 months back w Bowe. This isn't going to change the commish's mind on if he gets 6 games or 16.

"we were gonna give him 6, but he got a speeding ticket... so 16?" no... doubtful

or

"we were giving you 16 games anyways, and this just makes it look increasingly credible" sure... I can get behind that

There is a 3rd possibility:

"after reviewing your appeal, I was going to give you (another) 2nd chance & reduce your suspension, but seeing as you made the decision, WHILE YOUR APPEAL WAS PENDING, to, at the very least, associate with others who had marijuana in their possession, I have changed mind and will deny your appeal and uphold the original suspension."

 

[cstu]

Bowe: got arrested + admitted to smoking pot = zero suspension

A few things:

- The officer said he admitted smoking pot, but he was not convicted of it

- Bowe never failed a league test after his arrest.

- Can't suspend a guy who neither tested positive for a drug nor was convicted of anything drug related.

 

[Soulfly3]

Bayhawks,

I see your example, and it's definitely feasible.

But where then do we draw the line? For example, what if Gordon was at a small party and someone at that party gets busted for coke/weed/whatever. Should gordon be reprimanded for that?

Yes, I understand the scenarios are quite different, but Im asking where the LINE GETS DRAWN. Seriously, too.