WR Josh Gordon, KC (3 Viewers)

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

I know why you are being so aggressive.

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I'm a stubborn guy, and believe what I believe

Are you married; have kids? A girlfriend? I'd honestly walk away from the computer for a few days and focus on them. If your single, just shutdown the laptop, get outside or go get a beer with some friends. I'm not trying to be a #####, but you are waaaay too worried about what's going on in these boards. GL.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm not worried at all.

I know what's going to happen. I'm just here having fun with the rest of ya'll!

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

I know why you are being so aggressive.

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I'm a stubborn guy, and believe what I believe

Are you married; have kids? A girlfriend? I'd honestly walk away from the computer for a few days and focus on them. If your single, just shutdown the laptop, get outside or go get a beer with some friends. I'm not trying to be a #####, but you are waaaay too worried about what's going on in these boards. GL.

Says the guy playing the Good Samaritan to a faceless name on a FF forum on Saturday morning. Pure comedy.

 

[Bayhawks]

The fact of the matter is that Gordon is very likely facing a 1-year suspension. The preponderance of information available to us suggests this. You choose to ignore this information, and repeat what you hope will happen. While that is fine (if a little annoying), your condescending attitude, trolling behavior, and immature behavior makes you very unlikeable in this thread.

So the 1000000x times Ive said it's very possible he could get a year suspension means nothing?

When I said if he does, I'll owe up to it, means nothing?

Ok.

Just because I'm sticking to my opinion doesn't make me a troll. I was partially proven right yesterday, by a certain someone getting 6 games for their 2nd failure... was I not?

If you've actually said 1000000x that it's possible he could get a year suspension, then you've said that he will/should/could get 4-6 games 10 times more.

It doesn't matter if you occasionally say one thing, if you repeat, OVER AND OVER, something else. You have (in this & the other thread) said over and over that Gordon should get 4-6 games (or less). That's the message you're putting out there, and that is the message that is remembered.

As for partially being proven right, it does appear that the 2010 policy is still in effect. That doesn't mean that Gordon is only facing 6 games, though. As you have pointed out COUNTLESS times, we don't know where Gordon is in the program (what stage), and we don't know if Gordon has 1 (or more) failures that weren't made public.

You have been (in both threads) throwing stuff out there to see what sticks (2nd hand smoke, low levels, missed test, weed is better than beating your girl, we don't KNOW how many failures he's had, he wouldn't be practicing hard if he weren't going to get off, the Browns would have drafted a WR with a high pick if he was getting suspended, Greg Little thinks it's just a little mistake, Schefter doesn't know what he's talking about but this random schlub no one has heard of is reliable, a Brown's message board poster thinks it's just 6 games, etc) that you're bound to be "partially" right at some point. That doesn't mean that you're not posting with an agenda, rather than with the goal of being part of a productive and informative discussion.

 

[Soulfly3]

My stance is clear. Always has been. 4-6 games.

I can acknowledge that a year is possible, and still take a stance.

Joe hates me pointing this out, but I made a monetary bet w Concept Coop regarding suspension length, and offered another 2 posters a "lifetime ban bet", both of which didn't accept it.

So yes, I am taking a side, and sticking to it, 100%. and proving that

 

[PatsWillWin]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

I don't know about that. I think more people would have argued, and had a stronger argument as well, that Hernandez was the #1 TE than people would have argued Gordon as the #1 WR. Many people were already using the "dummy factor" with Gordon while Hernandez troubles sort of came out of nowhere.

Not according to the completed trade thread, expert rankings, and ADP from DLF's dynasty mocks. Lots of people had Gordon as the #1 WR. Some had him at #1 overall. Many more had him in the top 3, and almost everyone had him as a tier 1 WR and easy 1st round startup pick. I don't think Hernandez was ever commanding 1st round startup value, even in 1.5PPR leagues.

Right, this.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

No, dont be ludicrous.

This guy earns the doubts he gets.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

Take a few days off and please by way cooler if you come back.

J

 

[Soulfly3]

Let's say Gordon does get 4-8 games... anywhere in that "still valuable" area

Where would you take him in redrafts?

I think if he gets 4-6, I still take him round 4-5

 

[cdubz]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

I don't know about that. I think more people would have argued, and had a stronger argument as well, that Hernandez was the #1 TE than people would have argued Gordon as the #1 WR. Many people were already using the "dummy factor" with Gordon while Hernandez troubles sort of came out of nowhere.

Not according to the completed trade thread, expert rankings, and ADP from DLF's dynasty mocks. Lots of people had Gordon as the #1 WR. Some had him at #1 overall. Many more had him in the top 3, and almost everyone had him as a tier 1 WR and easy 1st round startup pick. I don't think Hernandez was ever commanding 1st round startup value, even in 1.5PPR leagues.

Right, this.

In my FFPC (1.5PPR for TE) start-up last year, think Hernandez went off teh board at around #15-#17 as the 3rd TE. Gordon did seem to be going far above this level. Though, Gordon put together a dominant complete season (albeit for 14 games). While Hernandez had shown flashes, I don't think anyone thought he was a dominant talent and his value was more a function of his situation and usage.

So my take is that yes we knew Gordon to have more of a "dummy factor" if that is what we want to call it, but also had shown a higher ceiling.

 

[cdubz]

Let's say Gordon does get 4-8 games... anywhere in that "still valuable" area

Where would you take him in redrafts?

I think if he gets 4-6, I still take him round 4-5

Depends on the length and what your league looks like. Some of my home leagues where I can completely punt a pick and still make the playoffs, he becomes more attractive. If he gets 8 games, not even sure I would even touch him in leagues like FPC/FFPC due to the short regular season of 11 games.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I've said this over and over... in the end I could be dead wrong, and Ill feel the wrath of a good 30+ members about this... probably for the rest of my days on here. That's cool - I'd deserve it.

Nah. This board is like one big (often dysfunctional but) happy family. Once this is all over we move on to the next thing and you're either agreed with or argued against based on what you believe there. There may be a small minority who think 'that's Soulfly3 from the Gordon thread, I'm going to disrespect his opinion in every thread now no matter what' but the vast majority won't care and most won't even remember in a month or two. You're one of us and for any of us it's about our latest opinion in the latest thread we've posted in. Don't sweat it.

 

[Soulfly3]

Thank, Bruce.

But it's gonna be more like "I don't wanna agree with S3 - but against all odds, he was right about Gordon... So I'm gonna listen this time."

Right? Right!

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

I know why you are being so aggressive.

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I'm a stubborn guy, and believe what I believe

Are you married; have kids? A girlfriend? I'd honestly walk away from the computer for a few days and focus on them. If your single, just shutdown the laptop, get outside or go get a beer with some friends. I'm not trying to be a #####, but you are waaaay too worried about what's going on in these boards. GL.

Says the guy playing the Good Samaritan to a faceless name on a FF forum on Saturday morning. Pure comedy.

True. I like to follow the forums here. I usually check them out a few times a day. I'd say FBG gets an hour of most days from me.

Every year there seems to be some new guy that has to be a doosch, just to get their rocks off. MOP, Rizzler...

I like to catch up on the latest news on NFL stories and this place seems as on top of things as anywhere. I hate to wade through threads searching for info and opinions while wading through pages of pissing games.

 

[LawFitz]

Let's say Gordon does get 4-8 games... anywhere in that "still valuable" area

Where would you take him in redrafts?

I think if he gets 4-6, I still take him round 4-5

He'd still have a ton of value IMO in playoff formats. How much exactly depends on a bunch of other factors.

That said, I still think the odds of him getting <16 games are very low and he should be discounted accordingly, until that detail is revealed.

 

[Faust]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Didn't he also just get pulled over for speeding and the car smelt like weed?

Report: Josh Gordon given speeding ticket, passenger cited for potBy Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer

With Browns receiver Josh Gordon on the precipice of a league-mandated suspension that could cost him the entire 2014 season after failing another drug test, the Cleveland standout who led the league in receiving yards last year despite a two-game suspension can't seem to stay out of trouble.

Gordon was issued a speeding ticket on Memorial Day, according to WKCY, after police say he was caught driving 74 mph in a 60 mph zone. During the stop, a passenger in Gordon's Mercedes was issued a citation for possession of marijuana.

Police say the marijuana was found in a blue bag, and the passenger admitted that it belonged to that person.

"We are gathering information regarding the situation," the team said in a statement released to multiple media outlets. "We will not have any further comment until the appropriate time."

It was reported earlier this week that Gordon is in Stage 3 of the league's drug program. That means a violation of the NFL's policy would keep him from playing for at least a year. Gordon has appealed the suspension for now.

"We have to build this team so that no one player drives the ship," coach Mike Pettine said earlier this month. "That we can be insulated losing players for extended periods of time potentially is part of the game. Successful franchises are the ones that have enough depth built and enough options to account for it."

Gordon is due to be in court June 4 to answer the speeding citation.

 

[Bayhawks]

My stance is clear. Always has been. 4-6 games.

I can acknowledge that a year is possible, and still take a stance.

Joe hates me pointing this out, but I made a monetary bet w Concept Coop regarding suspension length, and offered another 2 posters a "lifetime ban bet", both of which didn't accept it.

So yes, I am taking a side, and sticking to it, 100%. and proving that

Taking a side and sticking to it is one thing; being deliberately confrontational and contrary is another.

You asked another poster to provide one example of Schefter "breaking" news about a suspension. He did, then you say "but he was wrong, he reported a 4 game suspension, and it was 6!" Then when it was pointed out that the suspension was made longer because of an attempt to cover up the failed test, you just ignored that point. When a relatively unknown reporter then reports that Gordon is trying to get his suspension REDUCED to 6 games, you jump on that as some sort of vindication of your stance. Even if you ignore the fact that a REDUCTION would indicate the suspension was longer than 4-6 games to begin with, why is that reporter more credible than Schefter? Because it suits your argument.

Refusing to acknowledge facts, information, data that goes contrary to your belief or argument weakens your stance. It makes you look like you aren't being logical, when, you may really trying to be.

It doesn't matter if others agree with you. Make your point, support it with facts, acknowledge and accept when contrary information is presented, and you will come off much better.

Making childish boasts, and offering bets (that there's no way of knowing if you'd even honor, because, well it's the internet) just makes you look worse.

 

[Soulfly3]

If I lose this bet, Coop will tell you within minutes if I honoured it.

You can think whatever you like of me, but when the time comes, you'll know Im legit one way or another.

 

[msommer]

It just seems like when you are facing a possible suspension of up to a year, getting into a car with someone holding pot, then proceeding to get caught for speeding is ill advised.

It will certainly not make it easier to appeal for clemency

 

[The Man With No Name]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

But being around weed and using weed are two separate things. If he's not testing positive for it, that means he isn't doing it.

This is true. Throughout the 90's I was around good friends who smoked it all the time but I never did. And when I say all time, I mean all the time.

Gordon is an idiot for putting himself in the situation he is in. The speeding with pot in the car cannot help anyone think he gets it or will ever get it. What he could get is a permanent Do Not Return notice.

 

[grateful zed]

i dont know why this took me so long, but, soul = rn.

 

[Soulfly3]

i dont know why this took me so long, but, soul = rn.

No

 

[fatness]

I've read some of the linked articles and haven't seen anything yet saying for certain that Gordon is in stage 3. I did read this post which links a Sept 2013 interview with Gordon where he said he thought the next punishment would be one year.

Is there anything more definitive than that? Thanks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

BOOM!

That play alone makes him worth the start. Thanks Josh.

Ah, these were the days, exciting times. I wonder how many of these 50 pages are devoted to suspension talk and talk of his possible future suspensions.

I watched nearly every Browns game I could last couple years because of this guy, imagine that.

If he is out all year, I really hope he comes back and plays for the rest of his career because anyone who loves football loves this guy's talent. I hope he makes it down the stretch.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I've read some of the linked articles and haven't seen anything yet saying for certain that Gordon is in stage 3. I did read this post which links a Sept 2013 interview with Gordon where he said he thought the next punishment would be one year.

Is there anything more definitive than that? Thanks.

Nope, just a bunch of soothsayers.

All we know is that he faces a suspension, up to a year, and that the NFL is taking their sweet time with the final decision.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've read some of the linked articles and haven't seen anything yet saying for certain that Gordon is in stage 3. I did read this post which links a Sept 2013 interview with Gordon where he said he thought the next punishment would be one year.

Is there anything more definitive than that? Thanks.

Yes. I think that's where we are.

I find the silence from the league super interesting though. I can't imagine they'd want this kind of stirring the pot like we're doing here so I'd think they'd like to have some closure on this one way or the other. The fact they're letting it drag out makes me think it's not a clear cut decision. Which way that decision goes is entirely a guess in my opinion. Suspending a talent like Gordon is a big deal. Especially with Irsay's situation hanging out there.

So bottom line is there's a lot of speculation and silly chest bumping position defending. Hopefully we'll know something soon.

J

 

[Joe Bryant]

You can think whatever you like of me, but when the time comes, you'll know Im legit one way or another.

No.

Listen to what Bayhawk said above and take it to heart and be a better poster here. You seem like you know Football so we'd like to have you. But never conceding a point or arguing every minuscule point to the death makes everyone just want to dismiss you. Listen to what Bayhawk said and do better. This isn't a debate competition. It's a discussion. We'll all win here if we can make it more discussion. Thanks.

J

 

[Penguin]

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/05/josh_gordons_latest_actions_ma.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Please, no more excuses for Josh Gordon, the Browns wide receiver who seems determined to destroy his NFL career.

No more emails about how marijuana is legal in some states, or how you can't trust some drug tests.

No more rationalizations from Greg Little. The former Browns receiver said his friend Gordon "is a guy that's going to work and show this is a mistake. It's something that wasn't in his control, so to speak. I don't want to get into too much detail about it."

In his radio interview with Sirus XM NFL radio, Little was talking about the drug test that Gordon reportedly failed a few months ago. That was for marijuana.
Little seemed to be implying that Gordon was an innocent bystander.

Do you really believe that?

Consider that last Sunday at 9:43 p.m., Gordon was stopped for speeding on I-71, doing 74 mph in a 60 mph zone. Not a big deal.

But the officer who stopped Gordon smelled marijuana in the car. Gordon was one of four people in the car. Another admitted to having marijuana. He was cited, Gordon was not.

Suppose Gordon wasn't smoking weed in the car. But there was an odor of marijuana in his Mercedes SUV. And there was someone in the car with marijuana in his possession.

This is not being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's being in a car with a guy who has marijuana when Gordon's NFL career is already in jeopardy because of marijuana.

It's also a sign that Gordon either doesn't understand that he's already in big trouble with the NFL -- or he just doesn't care.

Why not throw the guy out of the car? Or not allow him in the car in the first place, if Gordon was aware that the man tended to break out the weed?

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Last season, Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, apparently was able to convince the league to cut Gordon's suspension from four to two games for a failed drug test for codeine. Gordon was fined four games of pay, but sat out only two.

Rosenhaus loves to express outrage in the media when he believes one of his clients is being picked on. But there has been barely a peep from the super agent. The sounds of silence from Gordon's camp that greeted the ESPN report of his latest failed test is chilling, especially given that he may be facing a season-long suspension.

The recent rumor was that Gordon's camp was hoping to cut it down to six games.

Gordon's latest lapse in judgment is almost as if he's daring the NFL to suspend him for the entire season.

The game has always come easy to Gordon.

Despite missing the 2011 season because of his drug issues, the Browns still made him a second round pick in the 2012 Supplemental Draft. They gave him a 4-year, $5.4 million deal.

That included a $2.3 million signing bonus -- earned before he took his first NFL snap.

Gordon caught only 43 passes in college. He was not a star, because he only started five games. He was a gifted athlete with enormous potential who had trouble staying on the field.

But he learned there will always be someone there to save him. It could be another school, another team -- and millions still came his way.

In many ways, his poor decisions were rewarded.

Gordon can be an outstanding player. He showed as much last season, leading the NFL with 1,646 yards receiving. The Browns have given him the best type of counseling available for those who deal with drug issues. They have assigned mentors to him. But they can't follow him around 24 hours a day.

In the end, people do what they want to do. And this latest event shows Gordon -- at the very least -- wants to hang around with someone smoking marijuana.

Gordon is set to be paid $825,604 this season. His contract for next year is $1.1 million. None of it is guaranteed.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public. He can be tested up to 10 times each month.

So many people have tried to help and guide Josh Gordon. Yet, his basic approach to life hasn't changed.

If Gordon is willing to throw away millions of dollars and a chance to play in the NFL for marijuana, the Browns must ask themselves if Gordon is really worth having around.

I'm not sure if cutting him is the right move. But the Browns should consider their own suspension as they await word on what the league plans to do.

 

[Soulfly3]

That article made many good points, except the last sentence. What a terrible way to put a wrench into a well written article.

Suspend a guy who has not been arrested nor been suspended by the league? Why? For what purpose?

Then if he is found "innocent" in some way, he's behind where he could/should be? No. Makes no sense.

If he gets busted and it's a year long - go nuts. Drop him if you want. But keeping him away from the team BEFORE he is found guilty?

No. Just no.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Yep, so he's thrown away 2nd chances before.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public.

There it is again.

Gordon blamed prescription cough medicine that contained codeine for triggering a failed drug test in the offseason. He also failed three marijuana tests in college before the Browns drafted him in the second round of last year’s supplemental draft, and he believes he’ll face a full season banishment from the league if he slips up one more time.“I think that’s what it is,” Gordon said Monday. “I believe so.”

 

[DAG]

I didn't see this posted anywhere in the thread:

More trouble for WR Josh Gordon

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[SIZE=10pt]ESPN.com news services[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland Browns are aware Pro Bowl receiver Josh Gordon, facing a possible NFL suspension for another failed drug test, was ticketed for speeding last weekend. A passenger in his car was cited for marijuana possession.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Gordon is facing a season-long suspension after another failed drug test months ago, this time for marijuana, sources told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" earlier this month. Gordon was suspended two games last season for failing a drug test.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Gordon was pulled over for driving 74 mph in a 60 mph zone on May 25, WKYC-TV reported Friday. According to the report, the passenger in Gordon's Mercedes was issued a citation for possession of marijuana in an amount under 200 grams. The marijuana was found in a blue bag with identification. The passenger said the marijuana was not Gordon's.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Browns general manager Ray Farmer issued a statement regarding Gordon's latest issue.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]"We are gathering information regarding the situation," Farmer said. "We will not have any further comment until the appropriate time."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Gordon's pending case is posted online on the Berea Municipal Court docket. It says Gordon showed proof of insurance when he was stopped and that he did not have any warrants. He is due to appear in court on June 4.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The traffic stop comes as the Browns are awaiting news whether Gordon will be available to play this season. The talented 23-year-old was suspended two games last season for failing a drug test and still led the league with 1,664 yards receiving.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Gordon has been practicing with the Browns as he awaits word from the league on the possible suspension. Gordon has declined to comment at the workouts that have been open to the media the past two weeks.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Last year, Gordon was convicted of two traffic offenses after pleading no contest in court. He was ticketed twice for speeding, once for driving 98 mph. He paid $296 in fines and court costs.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Former Browns coach Rob Chudzinski spoke to Gordon about his actions.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.[/SIZE]

 

[False Start]

That article made many good points, except the last sentence. What a terrible way to put a wrench into a well written article.

Suspend a guy who has not been arrested nor been suspended by the league? Why? For what purpose?

Then if he is found "innocent" in some way, he's behind where he could/should be? No. Makes no sense.

If he gets busted and it's a year long - go nuts. Drop him if you want. But keeping him away from the team BEFORE he is found guilty?

No. Just no.

He is violating league policies and hurting the shield. What is so hard to understand? Your case is weak. Yes, Gordon may get suspended less then 16 games. He can also be in stage 2 or 3, to be honest the league does not have to inform Soulfly of this information. Doesn't change that Gordon is a bad apple. Nothing you say or do or post on this site will convince reasonable people that Gordon is not a screw up. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself more than convincing anyone else.

You are actually trying to defend him getting pulled over for speeding and having weed in his car while on appeal for suspension. I cant make this up.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm not trying to convince anyone anything about Gordon as a person.

You're reaching a little too far now.

I said until he's suspended by the league, you don't keep him out of practice.

Simple as that

 

[False Start]

I'm not trying to convince anyone anything about Gordon as a person.

You're reaching a little too far now.

I said until he's suspended by the league, you don't keep him out of practice.

Simple as that

I doubt in all these pages and from your passion for Gordon that that is all you are trying to say. Anyone can read over this thread and see who is reaching and it is not me. You take all the criticism of Gordon personally and I don't know why.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm not trying to convince anyone anything about Gordon as a person.

You're reaching a little too far now.

I said until he's suspended by the league, you don't keep him out of practice.

Simple as that

You're forgetting that, unlike all of us, the Browns already know the details of what is driving the suspension talk. If there's been a positive test, and Gordon is appealing it, of course the Browns can invoke their own discipline (at least what's allowed by the league).

 

[King of the Jungle]

We should probably just focus on remembering the good times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7aJ3LY65c

This is what most people do when someone disappears for good. And let's for hope sake say he only gets 6 games.....how long do you really think he can last based on his history of behavior?

As a dynasty owner of Josh Gordon I would love to hear that he will play this season...however even if he does....I have realize that the likelihood of another situation arising is extremely high. I do not foresee him in my starting lineup ever again. I am not sure what I am going to do with him yet. I will probably wait until he is at the "Aaron Hernandez" level to release him (nothing to do with the level of crime, everything to do with the realization that he will never play again).

The good times were good...

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Why anybody would still be endorsing this lunkhead is beyond me. If Goodell doesn't give him the maximum he may as well resign as commissioner..as he and the league would be left with zero credibility.....

 

[Soulfly3]

Cris Carter v2.0

but better.

 

[LususV]

What are current owners willing to sell/selling for? If you're buying, what are you paying?

 

[cloppbeast]

I'm selling Gordon for a 3rd round pick. Frankly, this crap with him has grown tiresome. He sets a bad example for my entire team, and it's 'high time' I do something about. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated on my squad.

 

[Heep]

What are current owners willing to sell/selling for? If you're buying, what are you paying?

I just traded Dobson for Gordon in PPR. My other WRs were K. Allen, A. Brown, Cobb, T. Smith, Randle, Da. Adams, Latimer, Hartline. (Start 3-5)

 

[fatness]

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Yep, so he's thrown away 2nd chances before.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public.

There it is again.

Gordon blamed prescription cough medicine that contained codeine for triggering a failed drug test in the offseason. He also failed three marijuana tests in college before the Browns drafted him in the second round of last year’s supplemental draft, and he believes he’ll face a full season banishment from the league if he slips up one more time.“I think that’s what it is,” Gordon said Monday. “I believe so.”

There's nothing new in what you posted. People are speculating Gordon is in stage 3 is because, last year, Gordon said he thought his next suspension would be for 1 year.

 

[JetMaxx]

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Yep, so he's thrown away 2nd chances before.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public.

There it is again.

Gordon blamed prescription cough medicine that contained codeine for triggering a failed drug test in the offseason. He also failed three marijuana tests in college before the Browns drafted him in the second round of last year’s supplemental draft, and he believes he’ll face a full season banishment from the league if he slips up one more time.

“I think that’s what it is,” Gordon said Monday. “I believe so.”

There's nothing new in what you posted. People are speculating Gordon is in stage 3 is because, last year, Gordon said he thought his next suspension would be for 1 year.

Considering his track record, I'm impressed he was coherent enough to put 2 thoughts together and come to a reasonable conclusion about something that important to his future. Obviously meant zero to his decision making.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Yep, so he's thrown away 2nd chances before.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public.

There it is again.

Gordon blamed prescription cough medicine that contained codeine for triggering a failed drug test in the offseason. He also failed three marijuana tests in college before the Browns drafted him in the second round of last year’s supplemental draft, and he believes he’ll face a full season banishment from the league if he slips up one more time.“I think that’s what it is,” Gordon said Monday. “I believe so.”

There's nothing new in what you posted. People are speculating Gordon is in stage 3 is because, last year, Gordon said he thought his next suspension would be for 1 year.

I don't get why people are acting like this isn't a very good thing to base this on. The person himself saying it.

 

[finito]

Gordon had at least three failed drug tests in college -- two at Baylor, one at Utah. He lost his football scholarships at both places.

Yep, so he's thrown away 2nd chances before.

It's believed that Gordon is already in Stage 3 of the NFL drug program. That means there may have been several violations because not all are made public.

There it is again.

Gordon blamed prescription cough medicine that contained codeine for triggering a failed drug test in the offseason. He also failed three marijuana tests in college before the Browns drafted him in the second round of last year’s supplemental draft, and he believes he’ll face a full season banishment from the league if he slips up one more time.“I think that’s what it is,” Gordon said Monday. “I believe so.”

There's nothing new in what you posted. People are speculating Gordon is in stage 3 is because, last year, Gordon said he thought his next suspension would be for 1 year.

I don't get why people are acting like this isn't a very good thing to base this on. The person himself saying it.

Yes but he was high at the time, so you can't take what he's saying literally.

 

[daveR]

We gloss over it, but the speeding was actually more dangerous than the weed.

74 in a 60.

That's about what nearly every single driver on the DC beltway does every morning and every night. Limit is 55, most do 70+, may do 80+. Anybody who lives in the area knows I am not exaggerating.

I'm not saying that it can't do harm, but that's about as far away from a serious crime as jaywalking.

70 is what I do everyday, here in Cleveland. 74 isn't rare. There are some who stick to 60. Most will do 65-70.

 

[jurb26]

We gloss over it, but the speeding was actually more dangerous than the weed.

74 in a 60.That's about what nearly every single driver on the DC beltway does every morning and every night. Limit is 55, most do 70+, may do 80+. Anybody who lives in the area knows I am not exaggerating.

I'm not saying that it can't do harm, but that's about as far away from a serious crime as jaywalking.

70 is what I do everyday, here in Cleveland. 74 isn't rare. There are some who stick to 60. Most will do 65-70.

75 is the new 65.

 

[daveR]

Distancing yourself from your friends (and family?) sounds like the right path, but consider what it really means. Just because you hit it big, are you supposed to say, "I got new friends, now. I'll get back to you in a dozen years when my career is over."

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There's nothing new in what you posted. People are speculating Gordon is in stage 3 is because, last year, Gordon said he thought his next suspension would be for 1 year.

And also because the suspension last year was most likely because he'd failed two drug tests after reaching stage two.

Typically there's no suspension for the failure that lands you in stage one or the first failure after entering stage two. There's an exception, but usually the suspension is for the 2nd failure in stage two, and also marks your graduation into stage three.

Gordon's comments last year and the rumors of a year long suspension support that. While there's nothing to suggest anything else at this point. Other than the Internet ravings of the desperately invested.

 

[Dismattle]

Hey guys

I have quite a bit Id like to say, but it appears a majority of posters wouldn't enjoy reading it very much. (ex. comparison in how media reacted to Dal treatment/handling of Dez ie. Maybe suspend the Browns Coach, heck Josh aint even 24 )

But for those truly disappointed that We may not see Josh play at all this Season... Do not forget this is the same League that has allowed Hollywood Henderson ettc. (even had players play w broken limbs/legs)

However lets wait for an official word before We start Judging..