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WR Josh Gordon, KC (11 Viewers)

So you guys are saying Cooper is a PPR sleeper? That he'll slot right into MoMass/Norwood's spot? Norwood was getting a butt load of targets and converting on many of them too.
Coop has never played in an NFL game. He's never had an NFL reception so HUGE caution flag but he was Weeden's top receiver in their college careers but Josh Cribbs looms in this picture.He might be worth a flyer and a 'wait-and-see' acquisition for this week. But could he turn into a PPR slleper? Yeah, he could. His top side, he could turn earn a starting role considering the injury-prone nature of Massaquoi and the chemistry he had with Weeden in college and the hands of stone of Greg Little.
 
Kinda forced into rolling with Gordon this week, so I'm crossing my fingers... I mean, they have to throw it to him right? No one else is playing

 
So you guys are saying Cooper is a PPR sleeper? That he'll slot right into MoMass/Norwood's spot? Norwood was getting a butt load of targets and converting on many of them too.
Coop has never played in an NFL game. He's never had an NFL reception so HUGE caution flag but he was Weeden's top receiver in their college careers but Josh Cribbs looms in this picture.He might be worth a flyer and a 'wait-and-see' acquisition for this week. But could he turn into a PPR slleper? Yeah, he could. His top side, he could turn earn a starting role considering the injury-prone nature of Massaquoi and the chemistry he had with Weeden in college and the hands of stone of Greg Little.
Justin Blackmon was Weeden's top receiver in college. But Cooper was the #2 so there is definitely familiarity between the 2.
 
So you guys are saying Cooper is a PPR sleeper? That he'll slot right into MoMass/Norwood's spot? Norwood was getting a butt load of targets and converting on many of them too.
Coop has never played in an NFL game. He's never had an NFL reception so HUGE caution flag but he was Weeden's top receiver in their college careers but Josh Cribbs looms in this picture.He might be worth a flyer and a 'wait-and-see' acquisition for this week. But could he turn into a PPR slleper? Yeah, he could. His top side, he could turn earn a starting role considering the injury-prone nature of Massaquoi and the chemistry he had with Weeden in college and the hands of stone of Greg Little.
Justin Blackmon was Weeden's top receiver in college. But Cooper was the #2 so there is definitely familiarity between the 2.
Sorry, you're right.He was his number-two wideout to Justin and acted more like a security blanket which is similiar to the role he'd fill on the Browns to Josh Gordon as the #1 WR when he eventually takes that job from Greg Little and with Norwood OUT Cooper could steal a role from Mohammed Massaquoi who gets hurts alot but you are right it was Blackmon not Cooper who was the top Cowboy. I was jumping ahead to the roles in Oklahoma State and in Cleveland and how I see him as a good match since the roles mirror one another.
 
Outside of TEN WR Kendall Wrighht the 2012 rookie WR class hasn't done too much but Browns rookie WR Josh Gordon has started to make an impact over the last two weeks when he was forced into the starting line-up due to injuries to the Browns receiving corps.

Here's a nice update on his progress.

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Josh Gordon turning out to be a very nice supplement to the Cleveland Browns: Bill Livingston

... Gordon has always had the flash of exceptional physical ability. He is now delivering substance.

Gordon's 71-yard touchdown reception from Brandon Weeden Sunday in the Browns' first victory of the season against Cincinnati gave him three touchdown catches in his last two games. One of the others was a 62-yarder. He has only 12 catches overall.

The reception total is limited because he missed training camp. Once Gordon arrived, the terminology was different; the routes and reads are far more complex than those at Baylor, where he last played in 2010; and every defender in the NFL is at least as big, fast and aggressive as almost anyone he faced in college.

So here is Gordon now, averaging an eye-popping 22.8 yards per catch with a ripple effect that influences the rest of the game plan. "It has effect when you can complete deep balls of 62 and 71 yards," said coach Pat Shurmur. "It has an effect on the defense for sure."

Then Shurmur described the dink-and-dunk passing game of last year with Colt McCoy and a host of receivers who did not resemble Gordon. "If [opponents] know they only have to defend a 10-yard area, the game is real small for the offense," he said. "When they know they have to defend the deep part of the field on the middle and outside, there's no question it helps the rest of your offense be more efficient."

Shurmur said Gordon should be compared to 2011's rookies, whose learning opportunities were severely curtailed due to the lockout. Given that Gordon also came from Baylor's improvisational offense -- in which he ran only fly patterns and short hitches or screens -- he is a surprise not only in getting on the field, but in becoming a growing part of the offense.

... "He was at two different colleges, hadn't really played a lot of football on a consistent basis. Guys who come from more advanced college offenses have a chance to get up to speed quicker," said Shurmur.

... Gordon is showing that a high-risk draft pick, involving the character issues often found in the supplemental draft, a pick dictated by the impoverishment of play-makers on the team, might pay off in a big way.

"He's a guy with the ability to run past a [defender]. He's a long guy who's a huge mismatch for safeties. He's come a long way and is more comfortable now," said Weeden.

Weeden's long touchdown pass against the Bengals to Gordon traveled almost 50 yards into a swirling wind that made every throw an adventure. A good amateur golfer, Weeden said, "I just wanted to put one in the fairway."
 
Hey Bracie, Any new news on Cooper your way? I picked him up as a wait and see, knowing the connection with Weeden. Saw the game and liked enough to hold but haven't heard any chatter about it. Thought maybe you had.

 
Hey Bracie, Any new news on Cooper your way? I picked him up as a wait and see, knowing the connection with Weeden. Saw the game and liked enough to hold but haven't heard any chatter about it. Thought maybe you had.
Nothing but he had 2 receptions for over 40 yards and 2 first downs in the first quarter against the Bengals.I think that had an effect to help set-up the deep bomb to Gordon. Trent Richardson must have gotten dinged early in the game because Shurmur started to work in the tight ends and he hadn't done that in previous games. He opted to keep Richardson in and have him go to the flat or on screens and he'd bring in Ogbanaya as the third down back which basically kept the TEs off the field. However, when Richardson was out he brought back the TEs which meant, TO ME, that the third wide-out (Cooper) was the odd man out.So from my POV I think the injury to Richardson indirectly effected Cooper's PT but I haven't heard or seen any updates on Cooper so its just my speculation on why we didn't see him after the hot early start last week.
 
So is Gordon their new go to WR then? There isn't much else there to work with, regardless of the guys who have been out the last few weeks.
He's their deep threat which I'm sure they will try once or twice a game. Other than that he can run an out and a slant. Don't think he has all the routes yet.
 
This guy seems like a clone of Denarius Moore
No.Denarius Moore was a fifth round pick.Moore is only Height: 6-0 Weight: 194 lbs. Gordon has proto-typical size/speed to become a ligitmate #1 WR.Moore is not even close to Gordon in terms of size or athletic ability and the abilities of Gordon are well documented in this thread so go back and read what many independent sources from around the league said about Gordon's raw abilities before the supplemental draft. Josh Gordon is just now scratching the surface of his natural abilities. He's producing with this opportunity while he's learning and the bonus is that the situation with the Browns QB has improved dramatically and that wasn't seen or expected when he was drafted so the high-end expectations made at the time he was drafted can be bumped up.
 
This guy seems like a clone of Denarius Moore
No.Denarius Moore was a fifth round pick.Moore is only Height: 6-0 Weight: 194 lbs. Gordon has proto-typical size/speed to become a ligitmate #1 WR.Moore is not even close to Gordon in terms of size or athletic ability and the abilities of Gordon are well documented in this thread so go back and read what many independent sources from around the league said about Gordon's raw abilities before the supplemental draft. Josh Gordon is just now scratching the surface of his natural abilities. He's producing with this opportunity while he's learning and the bonus is that the situation with the Browns QB has improved dramatically and that wasn't seen or expected when he was drafted so the high-end expectations made at the time he was drafted can be bumped up.
:goodposting: You are exactly right Denarius is a terrible comparison.. Gordon is 6-3 225 more like a TO, Andre Johnson Demaryius thomas comparison there buddy and obviously is as fast as all three of them guys and physically could be actually more of a physical presence then them three guys which I know sounds crazy but this Gordon is a stud in the making esp if he can get all the routes down, become more consistent and see more targets. I have been picking him up months ago. I figured this would happen and if Cle has any brains they will throw this man the ball.
 
This guy seems like a clone of Denarius Moore
No.Denarius Moore was a fifth round pick.Moore is only Height: 6-0 Weight: 194 lbs. Gordon has proto-typical size/speed to become a ligitmate #1 WR.Moore is not even close to Gordon in terms of size or athletic ability and the abilities of Gordon are well documented in this thread so go back and read what many independent sources from around the league said about Gordon's raw abilities before the supplemental draft. Josh Gordon is just now scratching the surface of his natural abilities. He's producing with this opportunity while he's learning and the bonus is that the situation with the Browns QB has improved dramatically and that wasn't seen or expected when he was drafted so the high-end expectations made at the time he was drafted can be bumped up.
:goodposting: You are exactly right Denarius is a terrible comparison.. Gordon is 6-3 225 more like a TO, Andre Johnson Demaryius thomas comparison there buddy and obviously is as fast as all three of them guys and physically could be actually more of a physical presence then them three guys which I know sounds crazy but this Gordon is a stud in the making esp if he can get all the routes down, become more consistent and see more targets. I have been picking him up months ago. I figured this would happen and if Cle has any brains they will throw this man the ball.
Whoa, you guys are going way too deep here. I'm just saying he is a big play type of guy but some weeks he will disappoint, boom or bust. Also his situation seems similar in that Cleveland like Oakland will most likely be playing from behind most weeks.
 
Hey Bracie, Any new news on Cooper your way? I picked him up as a wait and see, knowing the connection with Weeden. Saw the game and liked enough to hold but haven't heard any chatter about it. Thought maybe you had.
Nothing but he had 2 receptions for over 40 yards and 2 first downs in the first quarter against the Bengals.I think that had an effect to help set-up the deep bomb to Gordon. Trent Richardson must have gotten dinged early in the game because Shurmur started to work in the tight ends and he hadn't done that in previous games. He opted to keep Richardson in and have him go to the flat or on screens and he'd bring in Ogbanaya as the third down back which basically kept the TEs off the field. However, when Richardson was out he brought back the TEs which meant, TO ME, that the third wide-out (Cooper) was the odd man out.So from my POV I think the injury to Richardson indirectly effected Cooper's PT but I haven't heard or seen any updates on Cooper so its just my speculation on why we didn't see him after the hot early start last week.
As always, much appreciated. Good stuff, as usual.
 
We pretty much knew the deal coming in with Josh: Fantastically athletic, but raw as HELL and might be a knucklehead. That all said, as long as Weeden intends to keep Uncle Rico-ing it("Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. I'dda gone pro....") to Gordon at least a few times a game, I'm rolling him out there as my Flex2 in the one league where I own him. That's spot's been problematic for me, so I figure going with the home run threat is as good a strategy as any.

One of the things I like to see from young wideouts(or any wideout, for that matter) is good body control. Gordon has flashed crazy body control on a couple of his TDs so far. The one-hander from last week was a great example: Dead run, keeps head on the ball the whole way, catches it one-handed, tucks it in the same motion and never breaks stride.

Some guys can do that, some guys can't. The guys who can typically have a much higher rate of "hitting" than guy who can't.

He has a long way to go as a total package, but as of this day his skills dovetail almost perfectly with the thing that Weeden does best("How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah..").

 
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I picked up this Gordon kid last week off free waivers before kickoff...just rotating the last guy on my roster... and now I'm thinking about actually starting him as my what-the-heck flex. :football:

 
This guy seems like a clone of Denarius Moore
No.Denarius Moore was a fifth round pick.Moore is only Height: 6-0 Weight: 194 lbs. Gordon has proto-typical size/speed to become a ligitmate #1 WR.Moore is not even close to Gordon in terms of size or athletic ability and the abilities of Gordon are well documented in this thread so go back and read what many independent sources from around the league said about Gordon's raw abilities before the supplemental draft. Josh Gordon is just now scratching the surface of his natural abilities. He's producing with this opportunity while he's learning and the bonus is that the situation with the Browns QB has improved dramatically and that wasn't seen or expected when he was drafted so the high-end expectations made at the time he was drafted can be bumped up.
:goodposting: You are exactly right Denarius is a terrible comparison.. Gordon is 6-3 225 more like a TO, Andre Johnson Demaryius thomas comparison there buddy and obviously is as fast as all three of them guys and physically could be actually more of a physical presence then them three guys which I know sounds crazy but this Gordon is a stud in the making esp if he can get all the routes down, become more consistent and see more targets. I have been picking him up months ago. I figured this would happen and if Cle has any brains they will throw this man the ball.
Whoa, you guys are going way too deep here. I'm just saying he is a big play type of guy but some weeks he will disappoint, boom or bust. Also his situation seems similar in that Cleveland like Oakland will most likely be playing from behind most weeks.
OK, but even you are not looking the physical or athletic comparisions and only are looking at production I don't feel that is a good comparisonn either due to one major factor.Gordon is very raw and still learning on the job but the team is feeding him lots of opportunities, ten balls thrown his way in New York, I don't know what he got against the Bengals but they are throwing to him a lot and will continue to do so and since he's so raw and learning I think he'll start to make those grabs and produce possibly like a #1 WR by the end of the year. Right now, he's boom or bust but he's learning and getting better by the week and his opportunities to improve are there as he's getting tons of balls thrown to him. Basically the upside is far greater than Moore IMHO.
 
We pretty much knew the deal coming in with Josh: Fantastically athletic, but raw as HELL and might be a knucklehead. That all said, as long as Weeden intends to keep Uncle Rico-ing it("Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. I'dda gone pro....") to Gordon at least a few times a game, I'm rolling him out there as my Flex2 in the one league where I own him. That's spot's been problematic for me, so I figure going with the home run threat is as good a strategy as any.

One of the things I like to see from young wideouts(or any wideout, for that matter) is good body control. Gordon has flashed crazy body control on a couple of his TDs so far. The one-hander from last week was a great example: Dead run, keeps head on the ball the whole way, catches it one-handed, tucks it in the same motion and never breaks stride.

Some guys can do that, some guys can't. The guys who can typically have a much higher rate of "hitting" than guy who can't.

He has a long way to go as a total package, but as of this day his skills dovetail almost perfectly with the thing that Weeden does best("How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah..").
I prefer to see good body control out of my young Tight Ends...IF you know what I mean. Seriously, though, that's a good point, especially with this guy. We all know what he has in terms of athleticism and we know what he needs in terms of repetition and such. But even as a guy just out there running around, his ability to adjust his body to make the catch is obvious and thats a huge plus (especially when you think down the road in terms of a red zone threat).

 
Watching his first couple of games, Gordon reminds me a lot of TO. Same size/speed too. The guy is raw but clearly has elite game breaking ability. Very nice pick by the Browns.

 
Interesting bit I thought I would share about week 6:

Offensive Snap Count:

Josh Gordon: 50, 70%

Greg Little: 59, 97%

Cooper: 21, 32%

So even after all those drops Little still led in offensive snaps. Now that Momass is probably back, his snaps could decrease further.

 
Interesting bit I thought I would share about week 6:Offensive Snap Count:Josh Gordon: 50, 70%Greg Little: 59, 97%Cooper: 21, 32%So even after all those drops Little still led in offensive snaps. Now that Momass is probably back, his snaps could decrease further.
Whose snaps could decrease, Gordon or Little? I think you mean Little but can't tell.Little might be getting all those snaps because he could be the only one who knows those particular routes for the plays they're running.
 
Interesting bit I thought I would share about week 6:Offensive Snap Count:Josh Gordon: 50, 70%Greg Little: 59, 97%Cooper: 21, 32%So even after all those drops Little still led in offensive snaps. Now that Momass is probably back, his snaps could decrease further.
Whose snaps could decrease, Gordon or Little? I think you mean Little but can't tell.Little might be getting all those snaps because he could be the only one who knows those particular routes for the plays they're running.
Maybe both? Both guys caught 3 passes last week. I like Gordon's upside but he's on my bench this week
 
Interesting bit I thought I would share about week 6:Offensive Snap Count:Josh Gordon: 50, 70%Greg Little: 59, 97%Cooper: 21, 32%So even after all those drops Little still led in offensive snaps. Now that Momass is probably back, his snaps could decrease further.
Whose snaps could decrease, Gordon or Little? I think you mean Little but can't tell.Little might be getting all those snaps because he could be the only one who knows those particular routes for the plays they're running.
Maybe both? Both guys caught 3 passes last week. I like Gordon's upside but he's on my bench this week
I won't pretend to know the inner-workings of the Browns, but there's no way in hell I'm cutting the snaps of a guy who has walked right in and been the first legitimate deep threat the organization has had in years. Not for a replacement level guy in MoMass. But then again, it's the Browns so that might be exactly what they do.
 
Interesting bit I thought I would share about week 6:Offensive Snap Count:Josh Gordon: 50, 70%Greg Little: 59, 97%Cooper: 21, 32%So even after all those drops Little still led in offensive snaps. Now that Momass is probably back, his snaps could decrease further.
Whose snaps could decrease, Gordon or Little? I think you mean Little but can't tell.Little might be getting all those snaps because he could be the only one who knows those particular routes for the plays they're running.
Maybe both? Both guys caught 3 passes last week. I like Gordon's upside but he's on my bench this week
I won't pretend to know the inner-workings of the Browns, but there's no way in hell I'm cutting the snaps of a guy who has walked right in and been the first legitimate deep threat the organization has had in years. Not for a replacement level guy in MoMass. But then again, it's the Browns so that might be exactly what they do.
Tony Grossi said that from here forward, Gordon would be featured prominently.
 
Big thanks to Matt and everyone else that contributed to this thread.

I didn't know anything about Gordon, so when I saw him on the wire last week, I just assumed his performance was a fluke. But reading about Gordon here and watching some game tape, the guy seems to be gifted. Picked him up for a low price in my dynasty salary cap league.

Anyway, I'm glad I read this thread. Threads like this are the reason I love this board :thumbup:

 
Can someone please point me in the direction of the "I am starting Josh Gordon" support group?

I have read through some very encouraging posts in this thread so I am a bit more comfortable starting him but I am still afraid of the dreaded goose egg that he could put up if he doesn't haul in those deep passes.

I am in a WR bind this week and currently have him starting over Hawkins. I am curious to know if anyone else out there is rolling with this guy this week and who you guys are starting him over. Are you comfortable with starting him?

 
Can someone please point me in the direction of the "I am starting Josh Gordon" support group?I have read through some very encouraging posts in this thread so I am a bit more comfortable starting him but I am still afraid of the dreaded goose egg that he could put up if he doesn't haul in those deep passes. I am in a WR bind this week and currently have him starting over Hawkins. I am curious to know if anyone else out there is rolling with this guy this week and who you guys are starting him over. Are you comfortable with starting him?
As I mentioned before, I'm rolling with him with as much "confidence" as I can as my Flex2, I guess. I'd like a more reliable option, but...yeah. Until he stops scoring mile long touchdowns every week he's as "reliable" as any of my other options.He absolutely is always going to be an elevated risk to drop a zero....but he's also going to always be a threat to drop a couple bombs on a D and put up 30.Pretty much the epitome of boom/bust. If you embrace it going in it doesn't hurt as much. :)Started him over Blackmon/Roberts-level guys last couple weeks, but this week I'm probably benching a banged up Brandon Lloyd for him. I'm a pretty big dog in the matchup, so figured I may as well totally swing for the fence.
 

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