WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

‏@AdamSchefter

Updating earlier post: Roger Goodell will be in Canton, Ohio on Fri. and now will meet with Browns WR Josh Gordon at sometime in next week.

So the ruling gets pushed into next week?

He must have already ruled. What is this exactly? A chance for a final beg on his knees before the king?

100 Pages, incredible, it seems like so many are trying to read the tea leaves in such a way that will result in him getting leniency.

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[Bracie Smathers]

The NFL just handed down a one-game suspension to Bills LB Nigel Bradham for a pot possiion charge that was dropped.

They do this one-day before Browns WR Josh Gordon's hearing.

Draw your own conclusions on the National Football League's timing in announcing this suspension for a 'dropped charge' of marijiuana possision.

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PITTSFORD – Bills linebacker Nigel Bradham was surprised to get a one-game suspension for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy Wednesday but said he has learned a lesson from the incident.

The NFL ruled that Bradham must sit out the season opener as a result of being stopped in Aug. 2013 for possession of marijuana in the Town of Tonawanda. The charges from the incident were dropped. Nevertheless, the incident happened, and the NFL handed out its punishment.

“My whole thing is to stay positive, man,” Bradham said. “It’s something that followed me from last year, a decision I made. I regret it. I made a mistake. I apologized to my teammates. I’m sorry that we gotta go through this again. Hopefully, I just get past it and come out Game Two ready. I’m going to just keep working every day out here in training camp and getting better.”

Bradham appealed the decision earlier this month, but the NFL denied the appeal.

“Everything was dismissed,” Bradham said. “It’s kind of shocking and it’s kind of disappointing that it came back again.”

Last September, a Tonawanda town justice granted Bradham a six-month Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal of the charges. As long as he had no run-ins with the law, the charges would be dropped with no further court action. The NFL no doubt waited until that occurred in March before making a final review of Bradham’s case.

“Obviously, it’s unfortunate, especially since Nigel has been playing very well,” said Bills coach Doug Marrone. “Like I said before, I’ve probably seen the biggest improvement in him. And when I say that, I’m not just talking about him as just a football player, but just maturity. I think, now when you look back and you think about what happened, maybe it took something like that for him to grow. Obviously, you learn from your mistakes.”

Bradham is starting at outside linebacker. Rookie Preston Brown is behind Bradham and is the favorite to get the start in the opener Sept. 7 in Chicago. Bradham will be allowed to practice and play through the preseason.

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[Dismattle]

Edit//

Off Subject: I just finished watching another Gordon video. The discussion involved who provided the hardest welcome to the NFL (Harrison or Hali) and proceeded to cover the age old question. No, not throwing a player open, but throwing a player into a massive hit. Personally Im quite used to hearing about players running to complain to their QB.. No, Josh lets the Coach know " Coach we cant run that route; they watch film"

There are QB's that do this and there are WRs that do this by running bad routes. There was a good bit on the NFLN last night where Julius Thomas talked about how Peyton Manning taught him how to run a seam route. First game last year JT did his own thing and got creamed. PM asked him, "You think you're ready to run that seam now?" - Gordon's ability to run a great route and find open space is one of his great abilities.

I agree and appreciate your response My actual somewhat hidden point was that Gordon imho as far as using good work practices is above avg. The avg Joe would holler at the QB or perhaps the CB/DB (all trying to do their job) The Coach on the other-hand is who made the call. and that is who Josh hopes to speak with in regards to the throw/play.

However your point is duly noted. It really does sound like something to consider, and even a players reaction from the following hit! (if its possibly his own fault)

 

[Dismattle]

‏@AdamSchefter

Updating earlier post: Roger Goodell will be in Canton, Ohio on Fri. and now will meet with Browns WR Josh Gordon at sometime in next week.

So the ruling gets pushed into next week?

He must have already ruled. What is this exactly? A chance for a final beg on his knees before the king?

100 Pages, incredible, it seems like so many are trying to read the tea leaves in such a way that will result in him getting leniency.

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yeah Its sometime impossible to decipher what is actually being said..

This situation/news is certainly providing lots of twists and unofficial like turns.

The worst part being that the truth may already have been told.

Ex. Sometime before the last NFL draft, a young player played Russian roulette and lost. The coachs and others started doing everything they could to "work thru" the situation, whether it was for Sorrow/Respect/Empathy doesn't matter. However the gavel falls soon, and it might not be pretty.

 

[matttyl]

So sorry if this has been asked already - but assuming he get the season long suspension, which to me (not to start or continue any ifights) looks likely due to the CBA and such - would the other known transgressions like the DUI add additional games next year as well?

 

[Bronx Bomber]

So does anyone know if we will have a ruling Friday or is it just the date to hear arguments presented by Gordon's defense team?

Question is, does anyone think he will win the appeal with his desperate arguments?

Second hand smoke? Why are you around it or that close to it if you have a shot at suspension and so much money to be made. Testing irregularities? There were no irregularities, just results Gordon didn't like. He failed, he just looks desperate, makes me hope he gets an indefinite suspension even more now for arguing this.

Second hand smoke, he is really using that as a defense?

No. The main defense is two differing values from the same sample. Enough of a difference for one to be positive by 1 billionth of a gram, and the other to be negative by more than that. On a test that is very specific, I think that is a significant difference. Enough to where they at least have a strong argument for no suspension (similar to Sherman's victory for the "unsealed cup"). They are also RUMORED to be bringing in experts that prove a level of 16 to be consistent with second hand exposure (as an adjunct argument against suspension). This attorney is supposedly the Johnny Cochran for NFL players. The NFLPA also has a strong rep on the team. I think his chances are 50/50, which is better than we thought initially. I also think the appointed league rep will hear the case, then present it to Goodell, and it may be the following Friday before we have a decision.

I thought we ruled most of this out already. A +/-3 differential is completely normal from sample A to B; and Secondhand smoke barely shows up (~5ng I think we said). As for the appeal, it's all or none, either nothing (and back to stage 3?)or a year ban. Is that all correct with what we know do far?

 

[Soulfly3]

So does anyone know if we will have a ruling Friday or is it just the date to hear arguments presented by Gordon's defense team?

Question is, does anyone think he will win the appeal with his desperate arguments?

Second hand smoke? Why are you around it or that close to it if you have a shot at suspension and so much money to be made. Testing irregularities? There were no irregularities, just results Gordon didn't like. He failed, he just looks desperate, makes me hope he gets an indefinite suspension even more now for arguing this.

Second hand smoke, he is really using that as a defense?

I haven't read all 100 pages but a majority, so I don't know if it has been brought up or not, but wouldn't the league look at Gordon's last test date and come to some conclusion that there was enough/ not enough time for him to have that low of levels based on actually smoking or just breathing second hand smoke? If there is only 2 weeks in between tests than the test result proves second-hand (maybe?)...

If Gordon can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his positive test was due to second-hand smoke inhalation, he will be suspended for 16 games. (The penalty for second-hand smoke is the same as the penalty for first-hand smoke.)

ETA: Never mind. That may not be correct. According to Adam Shefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke." That contradicts other stuff I've read, but Shefter is generally a good source.

Is he really using that as a defense?

Yes. as part of his defense, you're absolutely correct.

And please... for the sake of consistency... ALL of you hammered me on the validity of Adam Schefter, and how if anything is gospel in the league, it is him.

So dont backtrack now and say "well... adam could be wrong", because when I tried that, I endured about 20 pages of "you're an idiot if you dont trust Schef"

So. ya... there's that

 

[Ojaays]

‏@AdamSchefter

Updating earlier post: Roger Goodell will be in Canton, Ohio on Fri. and now will meet with Browns WR Josh Gordon at sometime in next week.

So the ruling gets pushed into next week?

He must have already ruled. What is this exactly? A chance for a final beg on his knees before the king?

100 Pages, incredible, it seems like so many are trying to read the tea leaves in such a way that will result in him getting leniency.

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Goodell isn't hearing the appeal? An arbrator is.

A ruling wasn't going to be issued by Goodell, the arbitrator rules.

 

[Soulfly3]

I was told the witnesses being brought in my Suh/NFLPA are not traditional "witnesses" but are analytical scientists who are being brought in to negate the ideology that 2nd hand smoke cannot produce the 15ng, but can in fact produce a much higher test result due to high grade (high THC) marijuana.

But as we should know, this is just the primer to their argument, as it will be used to cast doubt on test results that resulted in a frankly shocking 15% threshold variance between results on the exact sample.

Think about this.... as it's 110% true (we can;t argue this, it's scientific fact, not subjective babbling):

The league would apparently allow a test result of A cup of 14.9ng, as it would be a pass - from a test that is 96% accurate

The league will not accept a test result of just over 13ng, from a B cup test that is 99.9999% accurate

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Suh and the NFLPA are going to go Mandingo the NFL's booty

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So does anyone know if we will have a ruling Friday or is it just the date to hear arguments presented by Gordon's defense team?

Question is, does anyone think he will win the appeal with his desperate arguments?

Second hand smoke? Why are you around it or that close to it if you have a shot at suspension and so much money to be made. Testing irregularities? There were no irregularities, just results Gordon didn't like. He failed, he just looks desperate, makes me hope he gets an indefinite suspension even more now for arguing this.

Second hand smoke, he is really using that as a defense?

I haven't read all 100 pages but a majority, so I don't know if it has been brought up or not, but wouldn't the league look at Gordon's last test date and come to some conclusion that there was enough/ not enough time for him to have that low of levels based on actually smoking or just breathing second hand smoke? If there is only 2 weeks in between tests than the test result proves second-hand (maybe?)...

If Gordon can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his positive test was due to second-hand smoke inhalation, he will be suspended for 16 games. (The penalty for second-hand smoke is the same as the penalty for first-hand smoke.)

ETA: Never mind. That may not be correct. According to Adam Shefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke." That contradicts other stuff I've read, but Shefter is generally a good source.

Is he really using that as a defense?

Yes. as part of his defense, you're absolutely correct.

And please... for the sake of consistency... ALL of you hammered me on the validity of Adam Schefter, and how if anything is gospel in the league, it is him.

So dont backtrack now and say "well... adam could be wrong", because when I tried that, I endured about 20 pages of "you're an idiot if you dont trust Schef"

So. ya... there's that

You got that from "That contradicts other stuff I've read, but Shefter is generally a good source."

 

[Adam Harstad]

Just speculating - maybe Little wasn't lying/wrong about the missed test, but it was actually what got him put into Stage 3 where he failed the test.

Reports are that Gordon passed 70 consecutive tests, which would be at least 7 months worth, which is pretty much exactly the right timeline if he passed every test between the one that triggered last year's suspension and the one that triggered this year's.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Goodell can't win with Gordon ruling after failing so miserably with Rice:

http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/24643131/goodell-cant-win-with-gordon-ruling-after-failing-so-miserably-with-rice

Man I've heard enough hypocritical moralizing about Ray Rice to last a lifetime.

Where were all these guys when the NFL was busy handing out ZERO games for battering women for the last 50 years?

Same place all of the Donald Sterling bashers were when he was forced to pay the biggest settlement in a housing discrimination suit in history.

With that said, fickle and belated as the sentiment might be, it's at least an improvement over the old status quo.

 

[Soulfly3]

You got that from "That contradicts other stuff I've read, but Shefter is generally a good source."

No... I wasn't referring to Maurile. Ive already spoken with him, 1on1, yesterday. (I quoted him because he referred explicitly to Schef's statement about the NFL NOT suspending for second hand)

Im referring to the general consensus of the forum - when I spoke up against Schef that he doesnt have all the answers and was bombarded by the forum.

Just asking for consistency from the hoards. If Schef was gospel 2 months ago, he's gospel here as well with that HUGE statement

 

[Soulfly3]

Tom Withers ‏@twithersAP 49s
#Browns WR Josh Gordon not on practice field. Told he flew to New York last night for appeal hearing scheduled for Friday with NFL.

 

[Soulfly3]

According to Adam Schefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke."

 

[VA703]

1.04 here we come

 

[Soulfly3]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

at least an improvement over the old status quo.

Agree...it's progress. I'm not taking issue with the suspension just the sermonizing from guys who've been quiet on dozens(?) of other occasions.

As for the suspension...it's progress. And IMO there's something to be said for the idea that it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

 

[Soulfly3]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

 

[VA703]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

 

[Sir Psycho]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

If no suspension, my WRs core will be Megatron, Gordon and VJAX !!

 

[Bronx Bomber]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

Doesn't matter how we debate it. Over 15 in the NFL is a fail if sample B corroborates that something was in fact in the system. A plus/- 3 on sample B is standard. It's just most other agencies choose to not use this style if testing but that doesn't matter because the NFL does and it's in the CBA guidelines.

 

[VA703]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

If no suspension, my WRs core will be Megatron, Gordon and VJAX !!

"Game over man, GAME OVER!"

-Pvt. Hudson

 

[fridayfrenzy]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

Doesn't matter how we debate it. Over 15 in the NFL is a fail if sample B corroborates that something was in fact in the system. A plus/- 3 on sample B is standard. It's just most other agencies choose to not use this style if testing but that doesn't matter because the NFL does and it's in the CBA guidelines.

He also failed TEST 1 with a 38 when a fail is 20.

So he failed 2 out of 3 samples, and the sample he did not fail was only for corroboration.

 

[matttyl]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

If no suspension, my WRs core will be Megatron, Gordon and VJAX !!

Last season I had Mega, Gordon and D Thomas. That was money, and I won the money. When the news first broke on Gordon, I traded him for Fitz (and LB Derrick Johnson as I had just lost Daryl Washington to a year long suspension). Even if Gordon plays half this season, with his risks I still feel confident about the move.

 

[cstu]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

I highly doubt this is the first time it has happened. By the league's rules he failed the test. The main argument I see is that if the A/B cups were switched or if there some other error made in handling the cups, like transferring the sample from a leaky cup to a new cup in Sherman's case.

 

[cstu]

According to Adam Schefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke."

It's not their intent.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

mike freeman@mikefreemanNFL · 2m

Worst news for Josh Gordon is that Harold Henderson will hear his appeal. Known Harold a long time. Good man. Yet won't buy 2nd hand smoke
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot · 4m
Confirmed Harold Henderson will hear #browns' Gordon's appeal tomorrow. Been told second-hand smoke won't fly with him.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That intent is probably why they set the thresholds where they did.

To get readings that high(!) you'd have to be exposed to a really heavy dose of 2nd hand smoke. Theoretically possible, but unlikely.

And theoretically possible, but astronomically unlikely for a guy in stage three of the NFL's drug program who's already been kicked out of two other organizations for smoking pot.

Either way though -- smoking pot or foolishly exposing himself to such high levels of 2nd hand smoke that he got a positive test -- if reports are true, he failed the test per the CBA.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Per reports, he failed the test per the terms of the CBA

Per reports, Gordon's going with a 2nd-hand smoke argument

Per reports, no one has ever gotten off using a 2nd hand smoke defense

Per reports, the NFL says 'as always, you are responsible for what's in your body'

Per reports, the specific person hearing the case is unlikely to give 2nd hand smoke defense any credit

Per reports, the penalty for failing a test is one year

Per reports, at the request of the NFLPA there is no latitude in the punishment

None of us know what's going to happen, but you're living in a pretty vibrant imaginary world of your own making if you can convince yourself that a year's suspension isn't, by far, the most likely outcome.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns
Harold Henderson will hear Josh Gordon's appeal on Friday.
It's not good news for Gordon. A source previously told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer that "you would have a better chance of convincing your teacher your dog ate your homework" than trying to get Henderson to buy a second-hand smoke defense. Commissioner Roger Goodell will not be at the hearing, but is expected to meet with Gordon sometime in the next week.


Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter
Jul 31 - 11:39 AM

 

[Skeletore Eh]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

If no suspension, my WRs core will be Megatron, Gordon and VJAX !!

Last season I had Mega, Gordon and D Thomas. That was money, and I won the money. When the news first broke on Gordon, I traded him for Fitz (and LB Derrick Johnson as I had just lost Daryl Washington to a year long suspension). Even if Gordon plays half this season, with his risks I still feel confident about the move.

I had offered fitz to the gordon owner in my one league. it was rejected right before gordon got the dui

 

[False Start]

1.04 here we come

Wanna sit next to the conductor of the Gordon locomotive?

im checkin tickets on this train!!

If no suspension, my WRs core will be Megatron, Gordon and VJAX !!

Last season I had Mega, Gordon and D Thomas. That was money, and I won the money. When the news first broke on Gordon, I traded him for Fitz (and LB Derrick Johnson as I had just lost Daryl Washington to a year long suspension). Even if Gordon plays half this season, with his risks I still feel confident about the move.

Awesome for you.

 

[Adam Harstad]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

The league very specifically defined what constituted a "pass"- either below 15 ng/ml in the A sample *OR* 0 ng/ml in the B sample. Josh Gordon did not meet those very specific, very thorough, very precise definitions. Therefore, Josh Gordon did not "piss a pass". He "pissed a fail"- >15 ng/ml in A, >0 ng/ml in B. That's a fail, explicitly defined as such in the CBA.

 

[Adam Harstad]

it might actually have been unfair to Rice for Roger Goodell, who's been criticized at every turn for being heavy-handed in cases where he has discretion, to ban-hammer him for something no one(?) else has ever even been punished for. Like it or not, precedent does matter some.

[/hijack]

QuestionHow many folks have been punished for having a test that is 99.999% accurate say they pissed a pass?

Speaking of ban hammering a case that's never happened before

Eta:

Cup A is 96-97% accurate

Cup B uses a method that is 99.999% accurate

Imagine that. Fact remains, he pissed a pass, no matter how you want to debate it.

League is in uncharted territory w a pass and fail, and this is where Suh will go to town

I highly doubt this is the first time it has happened. By the league's rules he failed the test. The main argument I see is that if the A/B cups were switched or if there some other error made in handling the cups, like transferring the sample from a leaky cup to a new cup in Sherman's case.

Reports I've heard suggest that this is, in fact, the first time the B sample registered below 15 ng/ml. So Gordon does have the benefit of being in uncharted waters with little precedent. That's certainly an advantage in this kind of appeal.

At the same time, the CBA clearly anticipated this exact possibility, because the language pretty clearly covers what is supposed to happen when the A sample is over the threshold and the B sample is not.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns
Harold Henderson will hear Josh Gordon's appeal on Friday.
It's not good news for Gordon. A source previously told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer that "you would have a better chance of convincing your teacher your dog ate your homework" than trying to get Henderson to buy a second-hand smoke defense. Commissioner Roger Goodell will not be at the hearing, but is expected to meet with Gordon sometime in the next week.


Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter
Jul 31 - 11:39 AM

Even if he does beat the pot charge, Goodell can hand him a 4 game suspension for the DUI after he was suspended 2 games last year. I love Josh Gordon and quite frankly last season as a 7th rounder he carried me to league titles but I also am realistic about the guy i have in my avatar and it's not because I truly love the guy, hope you know it's mostly because I think he's a joke.

That said, I am mindful that Goodell can do whatever he wants with few limits. Suspend a coach for a year even though it's never been done, CHECK! Suspend players for lowering the boom and penalize them to the point you change the entire complex of the game and also make yellow laundry take on a whole new fear in the waning moments of every competitive NFL game from weeks 1 all the way through the playoffs, CHECK! There are no limits to his power as far I am concerned. So he could easily just lower the boom for 4 games and say something like his off field conduct be it 2nd smoke, .02 over the legal drinking limit, whatever the case it is, Josh Gordon's internal clock seems to be set at 11:45 where most folks have theirs set at Noon, amiright?

 

[Soulfly3]

The DUI suspension will come once he is either CONVICTED of it, or found not guilty.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Good to see Soulfly in here still clinging to the ridiculous hope that Gordon won't get suspended for the full calendar year. If nothing else, it's entertaining. Sadly, and scarily obsessively delusional, but still entertaining. Please send us all your home address so we can hold a suicide intervention when the boom get lowered Friday.

When you are able to post again, please follow the multiple requests that have been made in here to discuss football rather than other posters.

 

[Soulfly3]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

In a starting 1QB, 2RB, 3WR PPR format, I think that is a fair assessment.

 

[Soulfly3]

I think Gordon's yardage totals would definitely come down, somewhere in the 1300-1400yd range, but TDs would definitely increase by as much as 3-6

w a much better run game, better oline, better qbs, and more weapons to help spread the field, he should be a top 3 wr again, no problem, if he plays a full season

 

[Ojaays]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

1.Charles

2. McCoy

3. Manning(TDs worth 6)

4. Gordon

Yes ahead of CJ.

Gordon will lead the league in targets in Shanny Jrs Offense.

 

[Shutout]

According to Adam Schefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke."

LOL. I think most people read this as an out for Gordon but I read it as "The NFL already knows they have this guy drawn and quartered so they are just emphasizing "you will be suspended for breaking rules, period. It's not going to be iffy or technicality. We are going to outline that you broke rules and now you sit."

 

[Soulfly3]

According to Adam Schefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke."

LOL. I think most people read this as an out for Gordon but I read it as "The NFL already knows they have this guy drawn and quartered so they are just emphasizing "you will be suspended for breaking rules, period. It's not going to be iffy or technicality. We are going to outline that you broke rules and now you sit."

Then you're purposely misinterpreting what has been written.

If his appeal fails, it's done. end of discussion. But I think anyone who thinks there is no discussion at the moment, is seriously mistaken.

 

[Soulfly3]

1.Charles

2. McCoy3. Manning(TDs worth 6)

4. Gordon

Yes ahead of CJ.

Gordon will lead the league in targets in Shanny Jrs Offense.

Logic says CJ ahead of Gordon, but since I'm a Browns fan, Id strongly consider taking gordon just to have him.

but if im on the clock... probably megatron still

 

[cstu]

According to Adam Schefter, "The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke."

LOL. I think most people read this as an out for Gordon but I read it as "The NFL already knows they have this guy drawn and quartered so they are just emphasizing "you will be suspended for breaking rules, period. It's not going to be iffy or technicality. We are going to outline that you broke rules and now you sit."

Then you're purposely misinterpreting what has been written.

If his appeal fails, it's done. end of discussion. But I think anyone who thinks there is no discussion at the moment, is seriously mistaken.

I've enjoyed this discussion but can you at least admit that every pro-Gordon speculation has been proven wrong so far?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

I'd prefer Calvin, Green, Julio, Dez, and Demaryius to Gordon even without any suspension.

 

[wadegarrett]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

I am anticipating him getting a full season ban (you should be too)

 

[Soulfly3]

I've enjoyed this discussion but can you at least admit that every pro-Gordon speculation has been proven wrong so far?

Most have. yes.

But I didnt subscribe to most of them

 

[wadegarrett]

Ok....

Since I am anticipating him getting off scott-free (you should be too).... where do we have Gordon ranked in redraft and ppr if he plays all 16 games?

Cant help but think anywhere from 1.04-1.07 would be his takeoff point. in either format

I'd prefer Calvin, Green, Julio, Dez, and Demaryius to Gordon even without any suspension.

Agree...IMO...

Johnson

Thomas

Jones

Bryant

Green

Gordon

Marshall

Brown

Nelson