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Looking at his ADP why should I take him over guys like ARod, Brees, Nelson, Cobb, Gronk when he's one more test away from not finishing the season?
Even if he get's off this suspension (which I personally think is a foolish notion) you still don't discount him at all for risk? I mean let's be realistic, what are the chances he stays out of trouble for the entire season? that's over 4 months (also known as an extremely long time for Josh Gordon to not get arrested/fail a drug test)
Good question SF, deserves clarity here. I am assuming Gordon would receive a 4 game suspension from Goodell even if he can beat the pot charge. Driving a car while passengers are actively smoking weed with you operating the vehicle, all facts not conjecture, I don't see any reason Goodell would hesitate plus the DUI arrest for someone that came into the league under a microscope to begin with.
I think this is certainly the closest we've been to him possibly not getting suspended (outside of the "crazy" theories put out there in this thread).
Last year, Gordon led the league in yards, playing only 14 games and that was with a total dumpster fire QB situation and dis functional coaching staff.
he doesn't have to be an addict to get in trouble, only an idiot, which he has proven without a doubt he is one
Edit....grrr...stupid phone.
Very possible someone else already teed off on that, but short lunch running shorter here and I'll have to catch up on the thread later.
Without going too far back into the appropriateness of considering Gordon an addict or not... passing 70 tests in 7 months is not at all inconsistent with someone being an addict. I've known a few addicts before, and while I wouldn't pretend they constitute a representative sample of everyone struggling with addiction, I can note that all of them were capable of getting and remaining clean for 7-month spans. What made them addicts was not their inability to get clean, but the struggle to remain clean. For me, a 7-month track record does little to assuage any concerns I might have on that score, regardless of how many times he was tested during that 7-month span. He could have been tested 10 times a day every single day for those 7 months, over 2,000 tests in total- the number is not nearly as significant as the timeframe they represent.
Fair enough, but the other thing you need to factor in is, the league Is changing its stance on weed in the near future, and it's going to give much more room, not less. Weed will be a non factor in future tests after they change to a number likely to be more in line with what the Olympic committee uses.
M. Lynch was arrested twice, a weapons charge(convicted) and DWI(plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving).
This is a major, major assumption. The league could also be saying something like this as a negotiating move, because once peoples hysteria dies down, and they realize that the NFL would probably concede something like this quickly if the players would allow HGH testing, the onus will shift quickly back to the players. Which they seem much more interested in fighting than more liberal weed testing.
The league may change its stance on weed in the near future. The only reports we've had that they're working towards that goal suggest they they're interested in trading lighter weed penalties in exchange for HGH testing, which is a complete and total non-starter with the NFLPA. If that's true, then I certainly wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the league's substance abuse policy to change.
considering we are talking gordon's ability to stay out of trouble if he does not get suspended for 2014, anything involving marshawn lynch would have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. thanks
What is it....his third or 4th time he's tested hot for a banned substance. That is why the year long suspension is coming.
We're discussing lynch.
This is not in the 2010 policy. Is there a newer version of the drug policy? There is only one threshold and it's 15 ng.
This is not in the 2010 policy. Is there a newer version of the drug policy? There is only one threshold and it's 15 ng.
This is not in the 2010 policy. Is there a newer version of the drug policy? There is only one threshold and it's 15 ng.
Greetings Mr Harstad, a few points if you don't mind.
- We're talking nanograms per milliliter. I really don't think anyone is able to control such a tiny trace amount to such a degree that he could skate that line. I think it's blind dumb luck that Gordon's test was so close to the limit that he wound up on either side- even if he was intentionally trying to repeat the trick, I would highly doubt his ability to do so.
). My point was merely that if the presence of the weed was obvious for whatever reason to a police officer standing outside of the vehicle, it must have been even more obvious to Josh Gordon sitting inside the vehicle. So he knew that his passenger was at the very least carrying weed around in an unsecured manner, and he was completely okay with that, just months after he allegedly was hanging out with people who were smoking weed around him (according to his appeal), and he was okay with that, too. Clearly Josh Gordon is not making much of an effort to distance himself from marijuana at present. This makes me leery about betting that he will make an effort to distance himself from marijuana in the future.
Perhaps you were running with the wrong group of friends. I know this much, if I had tens of millions of dollars at stake, I would choose my friends more wisely. And nothing cures the urge to wake and bake like tens of millions of dollars at stake.
Maybe. Awesome guys though. Best time of my life. We didn't have even tens of dollars, let alone tens of millions. Gordon makes more like 1.3 million. But I get your point too.
From the looks of things, Gordon is likely to have some time on his hands to do exactly that. Regrettably, I think he will find playing Age of Empires a less lucrative occupation than playing football.
Good update and thanks.
I concur. I missed your post here while I was basically trying to share the same line of thinking. I get there are rules in place. However, in the context of all the bad things that Gordon can be involved with or compared to a good many other very bad things that other NFL players have done in the past, a 1 year suspension just does not seem rationally appropriate in light of all the facts.
