Chaka
Footballguy
That is a great point, unfortunately when the punishment is written into the rules it becomes easier for the NFL to be #######s about the whole thing.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.Good find. 1 point for you
But.... Wasnt his suspension 6 games?
you helped me make my point more evident though, so thank you.
Schefter was wrong by 33% regarding the length of suspension.
Phenix
Footballguy
Dude, why would anyone bet you? I careless and nothing is in it for me. You must think people care more about you than actually do.
Plus, you will get banned soon enough anyways rizzler.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
Phenix
Footballguy
How can anyone be serious when you are in denial? Plus you just got put in your place and you still try to talk out of it.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
I like how you deleted the part of the quote where you were owned.
But lets be serious.
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
Yes, you dont care. Yet keep responding to me. Keep visiting the thread. An continue providing NO useful information to this thread. at all.
Plus, you're copping out of a bet by acting like you're some forum enigma. Never heard of you until now.
As I said earlier... Take care, bro.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
You don't know that he was wrong. He reported what a source told him. Maybe it was 4, or someone thought it was 4, but it changed. Sheffter is extremely accurate on his stories overall. The point he has sources, that is the point. You think that there's this invisible wall where nobody knows anything before until the NFL officially announces it. It's just not true. Gordon is appealing his suspension right now, which means everyone in the know already knows the length of the suspension (pending appeal). That mean's the GM, his assistant, the guy who serves them coffee, Josh Gordon's cousin, etc. We've had more than one report now that he's gone for a year. Does that make it 100%? No. But that doesn't mean the reports are wrong. Maybe he gets his suspension reduced or something. But every indication that we have is that he has a Stage 3 violation.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
Phenix
Footballguy
But he wasn't wrong. The suspension was originally 4 games, then after it was discovered that Miller tried to conspire with one of the urine collectors, his suspension was lengthened to 6 games.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'd forgotten that.But he wasn't wrong. The suspension was originally 4 games, then after it was discovered that Miller tried to conspire with one of the urine collectors, his suspension was lengthened to 6 games.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test
In other words, OH SNAP.
that's okay - he'll just say something now about how this only proves Scheffter has sources in Denver, "show me a story that he's broken from Cleveland?"
Soulfly3
Footballguy
the NFL literature states the suspension is 4 games for his failure. So there's nothing special in that.But he wasn't wrong. The suspension was originally 4 games, then after it was discovered that Miller tried to conspire with one of the urine collectors, his suspension was lengthened to 6 games.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test
Just like Mathis got 4.
If Schef said 6 games, then THAT would've been special
Phenix
Footballguy
But he wasn't wrong. The suspension was originally 4 games, then after it was discovered that Miller tried to conspire with one of the urine collectors, his suspension was lengthened to 6 games.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
My god.the NFL literature states the suspension is 4 games for his failure. So there's nothing special in that.But he wasn't wrong. The suspension was originally 4 games, then after it was discovered that Miller tried to conspire with one of the urine collectors, his suspension was lengthened to 6 games.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9707976/von-miller-denver-broncos-urine-collector-tried-cheat-test
Just like Mathis got 4.
If Schef said 6 games, then THAT would've been special
Schefter is the one who broke the story that he had failed a test and facing a suspension at all.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Owned?
The suspension length for a first time steroid offender is 4 games.
What's special about that?
He was suspended for 6 games. Not 4. Thus, he had no inside information that made his claim special. by any means.
eta: I gave you credit about Schef breaking the story, did you not see it?
The suspension length for a first time steroid offender is 4 games.
What's special about that?
He was suspended for 6 games. Not 4. Thus, he had no inside information that made his claim special. by any means.
eta: I gave you credit about Schef breaking the story, did you not see it?
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DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Just because i'm enjoying this thread so much...You don't know that he was wrong. He reported what a source told him. Maybe it was 4, or someone thought it was 4, but it changed. Sheffter is extremely accurate on his stories overall. The point he has sources, that is the point. You think that there's this invisible wall where nobody knows anything before until the NFL officially announces it. It's just not true. Gordon is appealing his suspension right now, which means everyone in the know already knows the length of the suspension (pending appeal). That mean's the GM, his assistant, the guy who serves them coffee, Josh Gordon's cousin, etc. We've had more than one report now that he's gone for a year. Does that make it 100%? No. But that doesn't mean the reports are wrong. Maybe he gets his suspension reduced or something. But every indication that we have is that he has a Stage 3 violation.Let's be serious for a minute.. Since Im not attacking you, but Schef...Your hopeless, but in a refreshing way. Carry on.
But was he or wasnt he wrong? Sure, he came out with the news... Ill give him that (Ive stated in this and other thread he's amoing the 2-3 guys in the biz)
But he said 4 game suspension. And he was wrong. Wrong by 33%.
So yes... while he does get info. While he does have insiders. It doesn't mean he's always right. He's been wrong of various occasions.
He didn't know a thing about Mathis a week+ back, until it was released. Point is, while he's a go-to guy, he's not the final say of the league
I did a quick search of Schefter's twitter account for mentions of suspensions...I could not find any situations where he speculated beforehand and then overestimated any player suspension. He did underestimate Big Ben's a few years back and of course the Von Miller one above.
Unscientific but just saying...
Phenix
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
So let me get this straight... Then I'm done for the day.
I'm getting ganged up on because Schef broke a report about Von Miller facing a FOUR GAME SUSPENSION for violating the Steroid policy.
Schefter was partially right, in breaking the story.... But he WRONG about the length of the suspension due to information he was NOT privy to.
What's to say Schefter can't be wrong in the Gordon instance with further information he isn't privy to? The fact that this case and appeal are taking so long speaks volumes to the lack of "open and closedness" of this issue.
You can argue until your blue in face.
Fact is SCHEFTER WAS WRONG in his reporting Von Miller's suspension length. Try and word it in a million different ways, 4 DOES NOT EQUAL 6
Take care gents.
We'll revisit this with me being right, or with you being right. Either way I'm here and sticking with my stance.
I'm getting ganged up on because Schef broke a report about Von Miller facing a FOUR GAME SUSPENSION for violating the Steroid policy.
Schefter was partially right, in breaking the story.... But he WRONG about the length of the suspension due to information he was NOT privy to.
What's to say Schefter can't be wrong in the Gordon instance with further information he isn't privy to? The fact that this case and appeal are taking so long speaks volumes to the lack of "open and closedness" of this issue.
You can argue until your blue in face.
Fact is SCHEFTER WAS WRONG in his reporting Von Miller's suspension length. Try and word it in a million different ways, 4 DOES NOT EQUAL 6
Take care gents.
We'll revisit this with me being right, or with you being right. Either way I'm here and sticking with my stance.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Why are you talking about "special?"
You: Show me ONE example of Scheffter breaking a drug suspension story. One!
Us: Here's one.
You: Okay, but that's not special.
I feel like I'm talking to one half of Abbot and Costello.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, Scheffter, as good as he is about breaking news, is not privy to the future. He, like the rest of us, experiences time in a linear fashion. It's a real shortcoming he has.
jurb26
Footballguy
So, umm, no news yet eh? Thought we'd have it last week. Then thought early this week. Hell, it may be preseason before we know.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
A story came out today that a Cleveland beat writer has concluded that Gordon was already in Stage 3 when he failed this test, which means a minimum of one year. Soulfly, shockingly, is not convinced, and is attacking both her and Scheffter's credentials.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
1st off, I fell bad for the FF owners that have invested heavily in him (and Blackmon); I also fell for the Cleveland fan base, they deserve better than this.
This isn't a "told you so" post but knucklehead-ish is a serious disease in sports. We all have meet and/or worked with that guy that "just doesn't get it" and Gordon is one of those guys. They push the rules, they push you boss and when they get punished they throw fits and cry like a baby afterwards.
Gordon is a knucklehead, hes gotten this far in live because of his talent and this is where it ends. IF they left him off with just an 8 gamer he'll just push the rules again and Goodell knows it. The fact is we have no idea if hes in stage 2 or 3 and we have no idea if hes getting 8 or indef ban but there a LOT of smoke pointing to him sitting the yr.
My advise is to dump this clown, even when Blackmon was banned people were still giving 1st round picks for him thinking that he'll return clean and refreshed ready to tear the league up, now look how that tune has changed.
This isn't a "told you so" post but knucklehead-ish is a serious disease in sports. We all have meet and/or worked with that guy that "just doesn't get it" and Gordon is one of those guys. They push the rules, they push you boss and when they get punished they throw fits and cry like a baby afterwards.
Gordon is a knucklehead, hes gotten this far in live because of his talent and this is where it ends. IF they left him off with just an 8 gamer he'll just push the rules again and Goodell knows it. The fact is we have no idea if hes in stage 2 or 3 and we have no idea if hes getting 8 or indef ban but there a LOT of smoke pointing to him sitting the yr.
My advise is to dump this clown, even when Blackmon was banned people were still giving 1st round picks for him thinking that he'll return clean and refreshed ready to tear the league up, now look how that tune has changed.
massraider
Footballguy
I hope the suspense lasts.
Soulfly,
It's ok to discuss. And to have different opinions. Not everything has to be a challenge or a bet or arguing the tiniest of points to somehow make a point.
I bet you'll find things a lot smoother if you stop acting like everyone is trying to knock a chip off your shoulder. You think what you think. Cool. They think what they think. That's cool too.
Try to discuss more and "score points" or win bets less. Everyone wins there.
J
It's ok to discuss. And to have different opinions. Not everything has to be a challenge or a bet or arguing the tiniest of points to somehow make a point.
I bet you'll find things a lot smoother if you stop acting like everyone is trying to knock a chip off your shoulder. You think what you think. Cool. They think what they think. That's cool too.
Try to discuss more and "score points" or win bets less. Everyone wins there.
J
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
It is? I thought the latest conjecture (based on the Greg Little interview I believe) was more along the lines of a missed test than a failed test.You don't want to hear it, but he's absolutely right. Staying clean is obviously a HUGE problem for Gordon,
donkshow
Footballguy
At this point, everything is pure speculation, so who knows until something is made official.It is? I thought the latest conjecture (based on the Greg Little interview I believe) was more along the lines of a missed test than a failed test.You don't want to hear it, but he's absolutely right. Staying clean is obviously a HUGE problem for Gordon,
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Even setting aside this latest issue, he got booted from at least one, and quite possibly two programs for failing three tests in college, and got suspended for failing one in the NFL. So, yeah, I think it's safe to say that he has big problems with staying clean.It is? I thought the latest conjecture (based on the Greg Little interview I believe) was more along the lines of a missed test than a failed test.You don't want to hear it, but he's absolutely right. Staying clean is obviously a HUGE problem for Gordon,
matttyl
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Cannabis suffered one of the biggest politically driven smear campaigns in American history. Society as a whole is starting to come around, but it takes time. There is still a nasty stigma associated with its use.matttyl said:
Of course the NFL is shooting themselves in the foot, but CDL broke it down well, earlier in this thread--the league is likely using it as a bargaining chip, to get players to budge on HGH testing. They can't rationally care about their players smoking marijuana, aside from the stigma and potential damage to the image the NFL is pushing. If the NFL really cared about weed, the testing wouldn't be the joke that it is, and franchises would have a hard time fielding weekly lineups, with all of the suspensions. The guys failing these tests know when it's okay to have it in their body and when it's not. They either don't care, or can't stop, even for small stretches.
Anyone without an agenda and access to Google knows that the positives of cannabis use far outweigh the negatives, especially when compared to a lot of legal substances, like the pain killers that these guys are loading up on in order to do what the human body wasn't designed to do: play professional football. So, again, it all comes down to politics. ...again.
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DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
I'm sure tolerance is the direction the NFL is sloooowly heading. These rules are meant to maintain the integrity of the game and the image of the NFL. Now I don't think any expert would argue that marijuana is giving a player an unfair advantage on the field, so the integrity of the game isn't in question. That leaves the image of the NFL as the only real argument.matttyl said:
Most polling shows people in the demographic the NFL is seeking do not see marijuana as a serious problem. In other words, people just don't care all that much. Even if they did, the NFL hunting down guys in the offseason to expose their marijuana use and publicizing it with a suspension only pushes the issue to the front page. Josh Gordon gets picked up for possession by the law then that is a black eye for the league and hurts the overall image. But the NFL seeking out marijuana use then publicly fining/suspending these guys for something so innocuous is basically the NFL punching itself in the face over and over again.
I agree that the NFL will eventually lose it's 1950's views on marijuana but that won't get Josh Gordon a free pass here. However, I think Goodell will probably be agreeable to a lesser punishment than might have been handed down in years past.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
When was the last time that we know he failed a test for marijuana?Coeur de Lion said:Even setting aside this latest issue, he got booted from at least one, and quite possibly two programs for failing three tests in college, and got suspended for failing one in the NFL. So, yeah, I think it's safe to say that he has big problems with staying clean.Captain Quinoa said:It is? I thought the latest conjecture (based on the Greg Little interview I believe) was more along the lines of a missed test than a failed test.Coeur de Lion said:You don't want to hear it, but he's absolutely right. Staying clean is obviously a HUGE problem for Gordon,Soulfly3 said:Phenix said:
so this has been you contribution to this thread.
thanks for the updates.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
It's pretty hard to really "know" anything, particularly given that this is all supposed to be 100% confidential. Based on the fact that pretty much every major news outlet is running with "+ for marijuana" on this latest issue, that appears to be the most likely scenario by far IMO. Also, his positive test last year for "purple drank" / codeine is actually probably more concerning than if it had been weed. Of course others are free to belive the "cough syrup" excuse, but given his entire drug history, I personally don't. And of course he got nailed for weed three times in college. Any way you slice it, it's five drug related issues in three and a half years, which screams "major problem" to me. YMMV.When was the last time that we know he failed a test for marijuana?Coeur de Lion said:Even setting aside this latest issue, he got booted from at least one, and quite possibly two programs for failing three tests in college, and got suspended for failing one in the NFL. So, yeah, I think it's safe to say that he has big problems with staying clean.Captain Quinoa said:It is? I thought the latest conjecture (based on the Greg Little interview I believe) was more along the lines of a missed test than a failed test.Coeur de Lion said:You don't want to hear it, but he's absolutely right. Staying clean is obviously a HUGE problem for Gordon,Soulfly3 said:Phenix said:
so this has been you contribution to this thread.
thanks for the updates.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
My guess is the NFL doesn't want to have representatives of the league connected to illegal drugs. If they didn't have a policy the guy could respond in an interview that he tokes up or snorts a line before every game. Hey kiddies if you really want to improve your game start smoking weed ...because I do and I'm a superstar.matttyl said:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
A behavior policy has to be in place to separate questionable individual behavior from the NFL. But there is good policy and bad policy.
Josh smokes up on the sidelines? Goodbye, Josh... Josh smokes up during post-game interview? Goodbye, Josh... Josh is pulled over by cops with a massive blunt in his mouth in front of TMZ cameras? Goodbye, Josh... Great policy.
Josh smokes up in his living room, watching Tosh.O? Lets have a long drawn out process with tons of media questions about this (and other) player's possible offseason 'activities'. Then we suspend this player for an extended period of time (maybe for a full season) and then unsuspend him so that we can re-hash those same questions at a later point in time. Bad policy.
Essentially the NFL is doing exactly what your saying the player could do himself without such a policy in place. 'Hey kids look we caught our league's leading wide receiver smoking weed. He's a superstar who absolutely dominates even though he smokes up all the time! Weed must be awesome....but hey just make sure you're peeing clear, Kiddies!'
Phenix
Footballguy
Herb is a great thing for those who care to learn about it. It has helped people I know with epilepsy stop seizures all together... that alone makes me for regardless of the other negatives that comes with it. Howver its illegal and alcohol is responsible for a lot of deaths and is legal. Common sense is not used a lot any more in creating laws and it is evident. I cant comprehend why there are laws preventing people from consuming what they like in their bodies... while I do not do any drug other than smoke, there should not be laws preventing people from doing what they like to their own personal beings. The war on drugs is as dumb as the people who declared it.
That being said, it is a banned substance in the NFL and they signed up for it.
That being said, it is a banned substance in the NFL and they signed up for it.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The worse thing that can happen to you with weed is that you could miss your exit when driving. I know this for a fact.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Eating two week old leftover takeout shrimp chop suey from the back of the fridge because you're all kinds of ripped up and Jimmy John's just stopped delivering and "what the hell, it smells OK" sucks for the next 24 hours or so also. Or so I've heard.
Phenix
Footballguy
I do know you also laugh at a lot of stupid stuff. This horrible drug, no wonder it is illegal.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
On top of this--look what it does to your eyes! Could you imagine if it was legal? In America?!
I've also heard that it's a gateway drug and that close to 60% of those who try it eventually die from heroin overdose. Look at Amy Winehouse and that colored guitarist who played upside down.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
marijuana addiction is not a joke, you numbskulls.
I had a friend who started off just taking a toke once and a while. Soon he began to roll joints for us and take 2-3 hits... Soon he began smoking pinners to himself and even went so far as smoking marijuana crystals from a bong.
one day we were really high from taking the marijuana cigarette and he decide that he wanted double pepperoni on the pizza. he laughed so hard while eating that he inhaled a pepperoni by mistake and it got stuck in his lung.
He didnt know it, but the salt content started curing his lung from the inside and how he only has one good lung, and the other is a naturally cured sausage in his body
I had a friend who started off just taking a toke once and a while. Soon he began to roll joints for us and take 2-3 hits... Soon he began smoking pinners to himself and even went so far as smoking marijuana crystals from a bong.
one day we were really high from taking the marijuana cigarette and he decide that he wanted double pepperoni on the pizza. he laughed so hard while eating that he inhaled a pepperoni by mistake and it got stuck in his lung.
He didnt know it, but the salt content started curing his lung from the inside and how he only has one good lung, and the other is a naturally cured sausage in his body
