WR Josh Gordon, KC (6 Viewers)

[Chaka]

wow...a report that cannot be found in writing anywhere, that is only speculation even IF Mort said it, has people going all Soulfy... For those speculating he just missed a test...Are you all just ignoring that he went to rehab??? FOR WHAT? a missed test? a .09 alcohol level? I agree it was to demonstrate he is committed to getting better, but if all he did is miss a test, what is he trying to get better at? Did he go to, Chronic missed test addiction rehab?

I get hoping for the news to be positive, but the lack of logic of the Gordon owners is unreal

Funny how all the Gordon backers respond all other posts but this one. Whats the matter guys...no answers for my questions???

alcohol?

You have said all along "missed test"...He blows .09 and you think he went to rehab for alcohol??? As I suspected...not a legit response. Why not just admit it is fishy instead of continuing to lower your credibility...or are you just "stirring it up" again?

Am I a Gordon backer? Don't personally think so but I did try and address this point earlier. I think that the suspension under review and the DUI are unrelated. I think he went to rehab because he got the DUI. Will probably help him get out of it. And also because he needs to for image repair.

That seems like a logical explanation. It likely has more to do with the court case than the NFL issue. Probably along the lines of the pre-trial intervention Ray Rice did after knocking out his fiance. A way of demonstrating to the judge that you made a mistake and are committed to never making the same mistake.

 

[Ojaays]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

That's a debate for next year after his DWI case is settled either way.

 

[SCT]

The media line this week is "he is appealing his 1 year suspension on Friday August 1". When was the 1 year suspension handed down??? Is this still an assumption? If so, that's some crazy bad reporting isn't it?

 

[Bayhawks]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

 

[tdmills]

Gordon was running with the 3rd team in Cleveland today, even the Browns aren't very confident in his appeal.

 

[Ojaays]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

 

[False Start]

The media line this week is "he is appealing his 1 year suspension on Friday August 1". When was the 1 year suspension handed down??? Is this still an assumption? If so, that's some crazy bad reporting isn't it?

Clearly that was the announcement, the day of the draft when the news broke. The NFL is hearing an appeal so clearly he has been. The NFL informs the player, team and agent. ESPN and NFL Networked botched the announcement and went right for the drama.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

Was Lynch already facing a suspension and awaiting appeal when this happened? You really seem to keep missing a significant point.

 

[Bayhawks]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

Oh, I forgot about that. To refresh my memory, can you link me to the news about Lynch appealing a year-long suspension PRIOR to getting charged with his DUI?

Oh yeah, HE WASN'T appealing a year-long suspension. You conveniently ignore that point. Gordon's DUI arrest isn't going to get him a year-long suspension, but it IS going to impact the commissioner deciding if he deserves a second chance (another second chance, at that).

Last year, Gordon got his 4 game suspension reduced, then he got popped again for drugs, and is asking, AGAIN, for another reduction. His stupidity (driving with drugs in his car, driving under the influence) is going to be hard to ignore.

Now, if Gordon is basing their appeal on a technicality (a la Ryan Braun), then this doesn't matter; but if he's asking for leniency, his DUI arrest (and being stopped with drugs in his car) will definitely impact that.

 

[Sabertooth]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

Was Lynch already facing a suspension and awaiting appeal when this happened? You really seem to keep missing a significant point.

I don't think the distinction is significant at all. The truth is, we don't really know where Lynch was it in terms of appeal and we don't really know where Gordon is. I hope Gordon gets like two games personally. But then I bought the morning of July 5th when the owner panicked.

 

[Sabertooth]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

Oh, I forgot about that. To refresh my memory, can you link me to the news about Lynch appealing a year-long suspension PRIOR to getting charged with his DUI?

Oh yeah, HE WASN'T appealing a year-long suspension. You conveniently ignore that point. Gordon's DUI arrest isn't going to get him a year-long suspension, but it IS going to impact the commissioner deciding if he deserves a second chance (another second chance, at that).

Last year, Gordon got his 4 game suspension reduced, then he got popped again for drugs, and is asking, AGAIN, for another reduction. His stupidity (driving with drugs in his car, driving under the influence) is going to be hard to ignore.

Now, if Gordon is basing their appeal on a technicality (a la Ryan Braun), then this doesn't matter; but if he's asking for leniency, his DUI arrest (and being stopped with drugs in his car) will definitely impact that.

It might be hard to ignore. What you seem to be ignoring is the uneven hand Goodell has had with things. Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend out on film and got two games. Lynch had DWI and weapons charges, never suspended. Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month. Lavon Brazil got a year off for drugs. Johnny Jolly went to PRISON for a year for DEALING drugs, and got quickly reinstated. Mike Vick got convicted of gambling and raqueteering and got quickly reinstated.

Gordon has not been in jail. Has not been convicted of a crime. Has not injured anyone or killed anyone ala Donte Stallworth.

Oh and Gordon has more talent than all those guys. There is an uneven playing field and your ability to play football well definitely factors in. Couple that with Manziel having huge jersey sales and you have a recipe for Gordon to come out of this smelling like a rose. Two games. Four games....and then let's play ball.

Or maybe he gets suspended for a year or two. He'd still be younger than Demaryus Thomas is right now. Buy buy buy on Gordon.

 

[cc texan]

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/7/25/5937993/josh-gordon-avoid-season-suspension-donte-whitner

An actual update for this thread:

Today though, word has leaked (via Chris Mortenson on NFL Live) that there may have been an elusive discovery uncovered that "some around the league" think a technicality could get Gordon on the field this season after all.

Information right now is scarce, as this potentially saucy bit of news is all Mortensen provided, but this would be an unexpected escape clause that could have strong ramifications on and off the field. It will be interesting to hear of the fullness and validity of this report.

 

[Adam Harstad]

It might be hard to ignore. What you seem to be ignoring is the uneven hand Goodell has had with things. Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend out on film and got two games. Lynch had DWI and weapons charges, never suspended. Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month. Lavon Brazil got a year off for drugs. Johnny Jolly went to PRISON for a year for DEALING drugs, and got quickly reinstated. Mike Vick got convicted of gambling and raqueteering and got quickly reinstated.


Gordon has not been in jail. Has not been convicted of a crime. Has not injured anyone or killed anyone ala Donte Stallworth.

Oh and Gordon has more talent than all those guys. There is an uneven playing field and your ability to play football well definitely factors in. Couple that with Manziel having huge jersey sales and you have a recipe for Gordon to come out of this smelling like a rose. Two games. Four games....and then let's play ball.

Or maybe he gets suspended for a year or two. He'd still be younger than Demaryus Thomas is right now. Buy buy buy on Gordon.

Goodell hasn't really had an uneven hand at all, you just have to look at his tenure as two distinct periods. There was the period when he first took office and was gung-ho about cleaning up the league's image. During that period, he was very quick to exercise his authority under a broadly-written personal conduct policy to hand down severe punishments to anyone who drew negative media attention. That period ended shortly after the Bountygate scandal broke and Goodell immediately reached for the Banhammer. His huge suspensions in that case drew the ire of the Player's Association and were generally rebuked by Tagliabue in his role as an independent arbiter. Further, for perhaps the first time, media sympathy tended to be on the side of the players, largely because of the NFL's unwillingness or inability to produce the iron-clad evidence they were claiming they based the suspensions on.

Since that public smackdown, we've seen the second period of Goodell's career. In this second period, Goodell has been extremely lenient whenever possible, letting previously suspension-worthy offenses slide (Cedric Benson, Kenny Britt, Brandon Marshall). However, first impressions are lasting impressions, which allows Goodell to keep coasting on his early reputation as a hard case. If you compare his decisions from this second period to his decisions from the first period, it looks like Goodell is capricious and uneven. If you limit your comparisons to within one period or the other, his decisions and the underlying reasons become quite consistent.

By and large, both periods are irrelevant to the Josh Gordon situation, since the substance abuse policy is very black and white in the CBA. Most of Goodell's decisions to date have fallen under the nebulous Personal Conduct policy, which grants him very broad leeway in terms of punishment (and, prior to Bountygate, allowed him to review his own decisions, shielding them from critical examination by neutral third parties). His hands are much more tied when it comes to the substance abuse policy. I suspect the outcome of Gordon's appeal will hinge far less on Goodell's mood and far more on the actual facts of the case as they pertain to the explicit language of the CBA.

 

[Bayhawks]

Exactly.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will weigh in on the current debate with the league over whether he should be suspended or not, it simply won't factor in, at all.

And remember, as much as some might want to think the DWI charge will not weigh in on the current appeal, it simply will factor in, likely in a significant way.

Well, if history is any guide, it didn't weigh in , at all , for M. Lynch, and he got it reduced And, he was driving badly, swerving and almost hit 2 cars.

He delayed, delayed, delayed, then plead guilty to alcohol related reckless driving, this after his weapons charge and conviction And his measly little hit and run at 3am.

To this day, crickets from Goodell on Lynch.

Oh, I forgot about that. To refresh my memory, can you link me to the news about Lynch appealing a year-long suspension PRIOR to getting charged with his DUI?

Oh yeah, HE WASN'T appealing a year-long suspension. You conveniently ignore that point. Gordon's DUI arrest isn't going to get him a year-long suspension, but it IS going to impact the commissioner deciding if he deserves a second chance (another second chance, at that).

Last year, Gordon got his 4 game suspension reduced, then he got popped again for drugs, and is asking, AGAIN, for another reduction. His stupidity (driving with drugs in his car, driving under the influence) is going to be hard to ignore.

Now, if Gordon is basing their appeal on a technicality (a la Ryan Braun), then this doesn't matter; but if he's asking for leniency, his DUI arrest (and being stopped with drugs in his car) will definitely impact that.

It might be hard to ignore. What you seem to be ignoring is the uneven hand Goodell has had with things. Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend out on film and got two games. Lynch had DWI and weapons charges, never suspended. Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month. Lavon Brazil got a year off for drugs. Johnny Jolly went to PRISON for a year for DEALING drugs, and got quickly reinstated. Mike Vick got convicted of gambling and raqueteering and got quickly reinstated.

Gordon has not been in jail. Has not been convicted of a crime. Has not injured anyone or killed anyone ala Donte Stallworth.

Oh and Gordon has more talent than all those guys. There is an uneven playing field and your ability to play football well definitely factors in. Couple that with Manziel having huge jersey sales and you have a recipe for Gordon to come out of this smelling like a rose. Two games. Four games....and then let's play ball.

Or maybe he gets suspended for a year or two. He'd still be younger than Demaryus Thomas is right now. Buy buy buy on Gordon.

As has already been posted, MANY TIMES, in this thread, there is a distinction between Goodell's power with regards to the substance abuse/PED policies, and the personal conduct policy.

With the personal conduct policy, there are no written guidelines for how many games one gets for their first offense, 2nd offense, etc. Nor is there a guideline for how many games a DUI is worth, how many games knocking out your fiancee is worth, or how many games an alleged sexual assault is worth. Goodell has the power to hand out whatever punishments he feels are fitting under the personal conduct policy. HOWEVER, (and this is a big however), since the last CBA was negotiated, if a player appeals his punishment under the personal conduct policy, Goodell does not get to decide the appeal. So, IF Goodell "dropped the hammer" on a player, and they appealed, he risks being overturned by an independent 3rd party. If that happens, his "power" becomes weaker.

With the substance abuse/PED policies, there are written guidelines for the suspension, and if a player appeals, Goodell decides the appeal. So, IF Gordon is truly facing a one year suspension, AND he decided to go out and drive with a friend (but not him ) smoking in the car, then drive drunk while his appeal was pending, AFTER getting a previous suspension reduced, call me skeptical about his chances of getting the punishment reduced.

As previously posted, I hope Gordon is arguing his suspension should be dropped b/c of a technicality, b/c I think that's the only way he can avoid the full suspension.

 

[menobrown]

Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month.

That's a load of crap. He did not even get charged with a crime so you have no idea if he either likely raped or molested anyone.

His case is my biggest issue with the Rice suspension. The drug/alcohol suspensions people keep harping on is dumb. Apples to oranges.

Suspending players for accusations made against them is something I have a hard time with. At least with Rice we have video showing what he did and he's not denying it either so we know he did it. We don't know if Ben did anything other than being probably being a general ########. And forcing a team to being the first quarter of their season without their most important player is not comparable to a possible over the hill RB missing 2 games.

 

[Sabertooth]

It might be hard to ignore. What you seem to be ignoring is the uneven hand Goodell has had with things. Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend out on film and got two games. Lynch had DWI and weapons charges, never suspended. Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month. Lavon Brazil got a year off for drugs. Johnny Jolly went to PRISON for a year for DEALING drugs, and got quickly reinstated. Mike Vick got convicted of gambling and raqueteering and got quickly reinstated.


Gordon has not been in jail. Has not been convicted of a crime. Has not injured anyone or killed anyone ala Donte Stallworth.

Oh and Gordon has more talent than all those guys. There is an uneven playing field and your ability to play football well definitely factors in. Couple that with Manziel having huge jersey sales and you have a recipe for Gordon to come out of this smelling like a rose. Two games. Four games....and then let's play ball.

Or maybe he gets suspended for a year or two. He'd still be younger than Demaryus Thomas is right now. Buy buy buy on Gordon.

Goodell hasn't really had an uneven hand at all, you just have to look at his tenure as two distinct periods. There was the period when he first took office and was gung-ho about cleaning up the league's image. During that period, he was very quick to exercise his authority under a broadly-written personal conduct policy to hand down severe punishments to anyone who drew negative media attention. That period ended shortly after the Bountygate scandal broke and Goodell immediately reached for the Banhammer. His huge suspensions in that case drew the ire of the Player's Association and were generally rebuked by Tagliabue in his role as an independent arbiter. Further, for perhaps the first time, media sympathy tended to be on the side of the players, largely because of the NFL's unwillingness or inability to produce the iron-clad evidence they were claiming they based the suspensions on.

Since that public smackdown, we've seen the second period of Goodell's career. In this second period, Goodell has been extremely lenient whenever possible, letting previously suspension-worthy offenses slide (Cedric Benson, Kenny Britt, Brandon Marshall). However, first impressions are lasting impressions, which allows Goodell to keep coasting on his early reputation as a hard case. If you compare his decisions from this second period to his decisions from the first period, it looks like Goodell is capricious and uneven. If you limit your comparisons to within one period or the other, his decisions and the underlying reasons become quite consistent.

By and large, both periods are irrelevant to the Josh Gordon situation, since the substance abuse policy is very black and white in the CBA. Most of Goodell's decisions to date have fallen under the nebulous Personal Conduct policy, which grants him very broad leeway in terms of punishment (and, prior to Bountygate, allowed him to review his own decisions, shielding them from critical examination by neutral third parties). His hands are much more tied when it comes to the substance abuse policy. I suspect the outcome of Gordon's appeal will hinge far less on Goodell's mood and far more on the actual facts of the case as they pertain to the explicit language of the CBA.

We shall see. The fact is we don't know what stage he's in. We don't know if the DWI will play a p

Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month.

That's a load of crap. He did not even get charged with a crime so you have no idea if he either likely raped or molested anyone.

His case is my biggest issue with the Rice suspension. The drug/alcohol suspensions people keep harping on is dumb. Apples to oranges.

Suspending players for accusations made against them is something I have a hard time with. At least with Rice we have video showing what he did and he's not denying it either so we know he did it. We don't know if Ben did anything other than being probably being a general ########. And forcing a team to being the first quarter of their season without their most important player is not comparable to a possible over the hill RB missing 2 games.

So Ray Rice knocks his girl out in an elevator and he gets two games. What do you think Big Ben got 4 games for if he didn't do anything?

 

[menobrown]

It might be hard to ignore. What you seem to be ignoring is the uneven hand Goodell has had with things. Ray Rice knocked his girlfriend out on film and got two games. Lynch had DWI and weapons charges, never suspended. Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month. Lavon Brazil got a year off for drugs. Johnny Jolly went to PRISON for a year for DEALING drugs, and got quickly reinstated. Mike Vick got convicted of gambling and raqueteering and got quickly reinstated.


Gordon has not been in jail. Has not been convicted of a crime. Has not injured anyone or killed anyone ala Donte Stallworth.

Oh and Gordon has more talent than all those guys. There is an uneven playing field and your ability to play football well definitely factors in. Couple that with Manziel having huge jersey sales and you have a recipe for Gordon to come out of this smelling like a rose. Two games. Four games....and then let's play ball.

Or maybe he gets suspended for a year or two. He'd still be younger than Demaryus Thomas is right now. Buy buy buy on Gordon.

Goodell hasn't really had an uneven hand at all, you just have to look at his tenure as two distinct periods. There was the period when he first took office and was gung-ho about cleaning up the league's image. During that period, he was very quick to exercise his authority under a broadly-written personal conduct policy to hand down severe punishments to anyone who drew negative media attention. That period ended shortly after the Bountygate scandal broke and Goodell immediately reached for the Banhammer. His huge suspensions in that case drew the ire of the Player's Association and were generally rebuked by Tagliabue in his role as an independent arbiter. Further, for perhaps the first time, media sympathy tended to be on the side of the players, largely because of the NFL's unwillingness or inability to produce the iron-clad evidence they were claiming they based the suspensions on.

Since that public smackdown, we've seen the second period of Goodell's career. In this second period, Goodell has been extremely lenient whenever possible, letting previously suspension-worthy offenses slide (Cedric Benson, Kenny Britt, Brandon Marshall). However, first impressions are lasting impressions, which allows Goodell to keep coasting on his early reputation as a hard case. If you compare his decisions from this second period to his decisions from the first period, it looks like Goodell is capricious and uneven. If you limit your comparisons to within one period or the other, his decisions and the underlying reasons become quite consistent.

By and large, both periods are irrelevant to the Josh Gordon situation, since the substance abuse policy is very black and white in the CBA. Most of Goodell's decisions to date have fallen under the nebulous Personal Conduct policy, which grants him very broad leeway in terms of punishment (and, prior to Bountygate, allowed him to review his own decisions, shielding them from critical examination by neutral third parties). His hands are much more tied when it comes to the substance abuse policy. I suspect the outcome of Gordon's appeal will hinge far less on Goodell's mood and far more on the actual facts of the case as they pertain to the explicit language of the CBA.

We shall see. The fact is we don't know what stage he's in. We don't know if the DWI will play a p

Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month.

That's a load of crap. He did not even get charged with a crime so you have no idea if he either likely raped or molested anyone.

His case is my biggest issue with the Rice suspension. The drug/alcohol suspensions people keep harping on is dumb. Apples to oranges.

Suspending players for accusations made against them is something I have a hard time with. At least with Rice we have video showing what he did and he's not denying it either so we know he did it. We don't know if Ben did anything other than being probably being a general ########. And forcing a team to being the first quarter of their season without their most important player is not comparable to a possible over the hill RB missing 2 games.

So Ray Rice knocks his girl out in an elevator and he gets two games. What do you think Big Ben got 4 games for if he didn't do anything?

Only person who knows the answer to that question is Goodell. Anything else is pure speculation.

Speculation that could include Goodell felt what Ben was ACCUSSED of doing was more damaging to the shield. Speculation that could include it's been documented that over the past few seasons Goodell has gone easier on suspensions not cleary outlined under the CBA.

Ben was asked this morning about his toughts on Rice only getting a 2 game suspension and his quote was, "We all know the league has it's reasons for things".

 

[Bayhawks]

Big Ben likely raped or at the very least molested a girl and got a month.

That's a load of crap. He did not even get charged with a crime so you have no idea if he either likely raped or molested anyone.

His case is my biggest issue with the Rice suspension. The drug/alcohol suspensions people keep harping on is dumb. Apples to oranges.

Suspending players for accusations made against them is something I have a hard time with. At least with Rice we have video showing what he did and he's not denying it either so we know he did it. We don't know if Ben did anything other than being probably being a general ########. And forcing a team to being the first quarter of their season without their most important player is not comparable to a possible over the hill RB missing 2 games.

I'm not sure why you are quoting me with this. I never posted that.

 

[Clifford]

wow...a report that cannot be found in writing anywhere, that is only speculation even IF Mort said it, has people going all Soulfy... For those speculating he just missed a test...Are you all just ignoring that he went to rehab??? FOR WHAT? a missed test? a .09 alcohol level? I agree it was to demonstrate he is committed to getting better, but if all he did is miss a test, what is he trying to get better at? Did he go to, Chronic missed test addiction rehab?

I get hoping for the news to be positive, but the lack of logic of the Gordon owners is unreal

Funny how all the Gordon backers respond all other posts but this one. Whats the matter guys...no answers for my questions???

alcohol?

You have said all along "missed test"...He blows .09 and you think he went to rehab for alcohol??? As I suspected...not a legit response. Why not just admit it is fishy instead of continuing to lower your credibility...or are you just "stirring it up" again?

So your alcoholism should only be measured by your BAC when you get pulled over? Did you think this through?

Clearly no, but have we seen or heard anything about him having an alcohol problem? Did you think that through?

You mean other than his multi-year history of off-field problems with drugs and alcohol, or his stint in rehab? No, haven't heard a thing.

 

[DropKick]

There is a lot of criticism of the leniency in the Rice case... in theory, Gordon's situation is independent but this could work against Gordon...

 

[fantasycurse42]

Kinda see a little Lawrence Phillips in this guy

Maybe a little Titus Young too, but he wasn't supposed to be great.

 

[SCT]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

 

[cstu]

Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 14h

Josh Gordon is definitely running w/ the 3s during team drills. Guess the Browns aren't that optimistic about a reprieve.

 

[Azhais]

There is a lot of criticism of the leniency in the Rice case... in theory, Gordon's situation is independent but this could work against Gordon...

Remember that the NFL has a rich history of not giving a #### about violence against women (or dogs or bodyguards). Bounties and drugs are the only things they go after because those actually affect the on field product. Helpful chart from sportsonearth:

http://i.imgur.com/eGbwe3E.png

http://therotation.sportsonearthblog.com/no-discipline/

 

[Bojang0301]

Kinda see a little Lawrence Phillips in this guy

Maybe a little Titus Young too, but he wasn't supposed to be great.

No you don't, when was Lawrence Phillips the best WR, if not best player in the league?

 

[Ojaays]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

 

[Bayhawks]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.

The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

 

[Andrew74]

Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 14h

Josh Gordon is definitely running w/ the 3s during team drills. Guess the Browns aren't that optimistic about a reprieve.

Hey look, actual news!!:crickets:

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 14h Josh Gordon is definitely running w/ the 3s during team drills. Guess the Browns aren't that optimistic about a reprieve.

Hey look, actual news!!:crickets:

Who is running with the ones?

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Josh Gordon is running with the 3s because he doesn't need the practice.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

just a question that may seem silly for soulfly.....what is your person limitation to defending J.G ...what woud he have to do for you to say ''im done with this jackwagon''

I wont "be done with him" . These guys are football players. Entertainers.

They dont directly impact my life

He sits the year, Ill be pissed at him for ####### my Browns, and my personal entertainment... But Im not done w a guy cuz he likes to smoke herb

by ''done'' i meant defending

what's really left to defend if he gets 16 games?

Ill still defend the fact that he's getting 16 games for smoking weed and rice got 2 for giving his woman the mike tyson treatment...

but whatever.

This lame argument needs to stop....One has NOTHING to do with the other.....The Players Association agreed to these guidelines and have to live with them. You are just trying to point fingers in other directions to try and help your argument.....Josh Gordon knew the consequences of his actions and went that direction anyway. Whatever suspension he gets ...he deserves......PERIOD!

 

[VA703]

is there a SLA on when the league needs to respond to the appeal

 

[Ojaays]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

Impossible?

Insiders are saying :

1.there was a definite miscommunication on the leagues part.

2. Gordon did not fail a test.

 

[Andrew74]

Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 14h Josh Gordon is definitely running w/ the 3s during team drills. Guess the Browns aren't that optimistic about a reprieve.

Hey look, actual news!!:crickets:

Who is running with the ones?

"With Gordon's drop on depth chart, veteran free agent additions Miles Austin, Andrew Hawkins, Nate Burleson and Anthony Armstrong spent plenty of time practicing with the first-team offense."http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/browns/2014/07/26/josh-gordon-cleveland-third-team-offense/13212215/

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

That is not "breaking news" and was contradicted repeatedly Saturday on the NFL network where the Browns camp reporters were stating that it is a foregone conclusion that Gordon will be suspended for a full 16 games.

 

[Dismattle]

Ditka lets pretend for a minute that you didn't know the actual difference,,'

What if Ray Ray never married, and the charges were filed and/or never dropped. A small chance the NFL hope for release to work his job?

Now I would mention over-crowding...

Im sure some expect less or even more based on recent puishments. But to each his own

 

[Bayhawks]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

Impossible?

Insiders are saying :

1.there was a definite miscommunication on the leagues part.

2. Gordon did not fail a test.

Yes, impossible.

Who are these "insiders?" Where is the report of a "definite miscommunication?" It's IMPOSSIBLE that that would have been reported anywhere reputable and not be found in this 92 page thread.

Here is what Insiders are actually saying:

Gordon has been banned for a year.

I can link to my information (and that's only 1 of many), please provide one for yours.

 

[Chaka]

There is a lot of criticism of the leniency in the Rice case... in theory, Gordon's situation is independent but this could work against Gordon...

I think people need to go easy on Janay Rice, after all she did apologize.

 

[jurb26]

Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 14h Josh Gordon is definitely running w/ the 3s during team drills. Guess the Browns aren't that optimistic about a reprieve.

Hey look, actual news!!:crickets:

Who is running with the ones?

"With Gordon's drop on depth chart, veteran free agent additions Miles Austin, Andrew Hawkins, Nate Burleson and Anthony Armstrong spent plenty of time practicing with the first-team offense."http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/browns/2014/07/26/josh-gordon-cleveland-third-team-offense/13212215/

This is all I really care about at this point. I'm going to assume Gordon is out this year or at least out so long there will be guys in Clev that come out of nowhere at WR. I play in some extremely deep leagues so I'm picking up names like Armstrong and Benjamin in hopes they carve out some sort of role this year.

 

[Sake-Bombers]

That tweet and USA Today running with it are a pretty interesting example how narratives are established to me. There is also at least one tweet yesterday about Gordon catching passes from Manziel. Today Gordon working with Manziel and Hoyer. But a lot of reaction and credence put into the fact he was with threes early in camp and that report is going to be the truth for a bit. To me, that's important to note because this hobby is about finding value where others don't see it, and all of a sudden I think there's value here that many are just ignoring, and that tweet and USA Today pick up establish it for those that are skeptical of a one year Gordon suspension.

Make no mistake, I think Gordon will be suspended for a good chunk this year. And I think looking at other options in CLE is smart and necessary. And if you think Gordon is definitely out for at least a year and is likely going to relapse, it makes sense to move past him. But I personally believe there's at least a possibility that he is not suspended the whole year, so I am not shutting the door on trying to figure out when he currently presents value this year.

I am also totally fine with you believing whatever you want, and hopefully you can accept I'm entitled to an opinion too. The "I presented a point and nobody responded therefore I am right" posts drive me bananas.

 

[Ojaays]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

Impossible?

Insiders are saying :

1.there was a definite miscommunication on the leagues part.

2. Gordon did not fail a test.

Yes, impossible.Who are these "insiders?" Where is the report of a "definite miscommunication?" It's IMPOSSIBLE that that would have been reported anywhere reputable and not be found in this 92 page thread.

Here is what Insiders are actually saying:

Gordon has been banned for a year.

I can link to my information (and that's only 1 of many), please provide one for yours.

Good one. I'll just leave you and your awesome "link" to Nick Dudokovic and his 600 followers with this question.

If it was as simple as Gordon failing a drug test, wouldn't this have been concluded long ago?

 

[Sake-Bombers]

Just to clarify, I trust Lindsay Jones' reporting for USA Today. But that story is filed and done and I'm just saying reports are that he is doing more than running with the threes. But that story is filed and unlikely to be updated, so it's perspective is locked. And while I trust that source, I don't believe the story really is "okay he practiced with the threes at the start of the camp ergo yearlong suspension, no need to think about this anymore."

 

[Bayhawks]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

Impossible?

Insiders are saying :

1.there was a definite miscommunication on the leagues part.

2. Gordon did not fail a test.

Yes, impossible.Who are these "insiders?" Where is the report of a "definite miscommunication?" It's IMPOSSIBLE that that would have been reported anywhere reputable and not be found in this 92 page thread.

Here is what Insiders are actually saying:

Gordon has been banned for a year.

I can link to my information (and that's only 1 of many), please provide one for yours.

Good one. I'll just leave you and your awesome "link" to Nick Dudokovic and his 600 followers with this question.

If it was as simple as Gordon failing a drug test, wouldn't this have been concluded long ago?

Oh, that one isn't good enough for you? Hmm...interesting that Soulfly does the same thing; ignores and attempts to de-legitimize all information that doesn't suit him.

Here's 4 more:

Schefter

ESPN

CBS

Mary Kay Cabot

Still waiting for a link to any reputable reporter, news agency, Browns official, NFL official, Gordon, Rosenhaus, etc who can substantiate your fabricated claim that the NFL miscommunicated with Gordon, or the rumor that Gordon only missed a test.

Surely, you can provide one, right? You wouldn't just make stuff up like Soulfly used to do without anything more than random speculation on a Browns message board or a vague comment from Greg Little as your "evidence," would you?

And no, yet again, the timeline that this "case" has proceeded fits in with the timeline of other similar situations like Fred Davis' leaked news of a failed test & his suspension, Rice's attack on his fiancee and his suspension.

So, please, stop using the tired (and dis-proven) argument of "it's taking too long, that msut be good for Gordon," and provide SOMETHING to back up your ridiculous claims of NFL miscommunication.

 

[Dismattle]

I havnt the foggiest clue as to why Gordon would be running w/ anyone but the first Team (at least until following his hearing)

But. If I had my starting QB running w/ the Ones and I also had a rookie 1st rnd QB practicing (I might just send my WR1 to catch a few balls w/ the newbie)

 

[FBG Moderator]

How in the h does cc Texan post that breaking news and that isn't the main topic of conversation from here on? Nobody has a reaction to that update?!

It doesn't fit the narrative that it's a forgone conclusion that Gordon is gone for 2014.

I'll give you a hypothetical , let's say Gordon was called by the legue to go test, told where to go, he went there, when he was supposed to, but guess what? It was the wrong place, but it WAS the place the league told him to go to.

Gordon finally , after telling the league, hey, this isn't the place, gets to the right place, it's a couple hours later, and he passes the test.

So in essence, we have a miscommunication on the leagues part to Gordon and No Failed test.

If that happened,

How many here think he's getting even one game?

But, but but, what about his speeding tickets, weed in the car, DWI?

Ok, I'll play, for just a minute.

Speeding: 50 in a 35. 71 in a 60 Really?, ... Shut the front door, we all do that, daily.

Weed in the car: some may not like to hear it, but, with this much money at stake, guilty by association isn't going to fly.

DWI: he blew a .09. Many of us have driven home a .09 after night out with two or three drinks depending on body size.

This is something he won't be suspended for unless and until the case is settled,which will be after the season is over.

Breathalyzers are known to vary as much as 20%, again, you might not like to hear this , but, Gordon has the jack to hire a good enough lawyer to make that go away and Goodell knows it.

In your hypothetical, I would 100% agree with you, Gordon would get 0 games, but let's be real, that's not what happened. If it was, this would have been resolved already.The NFL didn't tell Gordon to go to 1215 Main street to get tested, when they meant to say go to 1512 Main street to get tested. If it were truly that simple, Rosenhaus would be blasting that news all over the place, he wouldn't be keeping it a secret.

As to why this hasn't been discussed, it has been, two pages & 3 days ago when it was first reported. I hope that whatever "technicality" exists is able to get Gordon off, however, there has been no real news about what this technicality might be, so any further discussion would be nothing but wild guesses (like your impossible hypothetical).

Impossible?

Insiders are saying :

1.there was a definite miscommunication on the leagues part.

2. Gordon did not fail a test.

Yes, impossible.Who are these "insiders?" Where is the report of a "definite miscommunication?" It's IMPOSSIBLE that that would have been reported anywhere reputable and not be found in this 92 page thread.

Here is what Insiders are actually saying:

Gordon has been banned for a year.

I can link to my information (and that's only 1 of many), please provide one for yours.

Good one. I'll just leave you and your awesome "link" to Nick Dudokovic and his 600 followers with this question.

If it was as simple as Gordon failing a drug test, wouldn't this have been concluded long ago?

Oh, that one isn't good enough for you? Hmm...interesting that Soulfly does the same thing; ignores and attempts to de-legitimize all information that doesn't suit him.

Here's 4 more:

Schefter

ESPN

CBS

Mary Kay Cabot

Still waiting for a link to any reputable reporter, news agency, Browns official, NFL official, Gordon, Rosenhaus, etc who can substantiate your fabricated claim that the NFL miscommunicated with Gordon, or the rumor that Gordon only missed a test.

Surely, you can provide one, right? You wouldn't just make stuff up like Soulfly used to do without anything more than random speculation on a Browns message board or a vague comment from Greg Little as your "evidence," would you?

And no, yet again, the timeline that this "case" has proceeded fits in with the timeline of other similar situations like Fred Davis' leaked news of a failed test & his suspension, Rice's attack on his fiancee and his suspension.

So, please, stop using the tired (and dis-proven) argument of "it's taking too long, that msut be good for Gordon," and provide SOMETHING to back up your ridiculous claims of NFL miscommunication.

The bolded jabs at other posters are the kind of behavior we've repeatedly asked in this thread to stop. It only derails the kind of discussion we want here.

Please don't do this when you are allowed to post again.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I havnt the foggiest clue as to why Gordon would be running w/ anyone but the first Team (at least until following his hearing)

But. If I had my starting QB running w/ the Ones and I also had a rookie 1st rnd QB practicing (I might just send my WR1 to catch a few balls w/ the newbie)

I think they are just being prudent. Doesn't mean he's gone for the year. If there is even a 2 game suspension, the other guys have to be ready to play. The amount of conclusion jumping in this thread, to every minor detail or media member opinion, is staggering.

 

[DAG]

Since the August 1 appeal date is one of the few solid, factual pieces of information we have at this point, I was curious as to the turnaround time on appeals from the Commissioner's office. The NFL "Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse" contains appeals language on pp. 23-25, but most of the specific timeline information seems to be pre-appeal (mostly deadlines). The only thing I could find on the turnaround time from the Commissioner was this:

7. Commissioner Determination.
Within a reasonable period of time, following the hearing, the Commissioner will issue a written decision which will constitute a full, final, and complete
disposition of the appeal and which will be binding on all parties.

This document is dated 2010 so I assume this is for the new CBA (?) but apologies if I located an outdated policy.

Does anyone recall timelines on previous appeal cases?

 

[Coach3K]

Since the August 1 appeal date is one of the few solid, factual pieces of information we have at this point, I was curious as to the turnaround time on appeals from the Commissioner's office. The NFL "Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse" contains appeals language on pp. 23-25, but most of the specific timeline information seems to be pre-appeal (mostly deadlines). The only thing I could find on the turnaround time from the Commissioner was this:

7. Commissioner Determination.Within a reasonable period of time, following the hearing, the Commissioner will issue a written decision which will constitute a full, final, and complete

disposition of the appeal and which will be binding on all parties.

This document is dated 2010 so I assume this is for the new CBA (?) but apologies if I located an outdated policy.

Does anyone recall timelines on previous appeal cases?

The previous CBA has come up several times in this thread. I seem to remember people having difficulty finding what the current CBA actually says about just about anything.

Couldn't a team owner get their hands on a copy of some of these documents, since they seem to be sealed up in some vault somewhere? Calling any Packers owners who'd like to share what the actual league rules are!

 

[GregR]

Since the August 1 appeal date is one of the few solid, factual pieces of information we have at this point, I was curious as to the turnaround time on appeals from the Commissioner's office. The NFL "Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse" contains appeals language on pp. 23-25, but most of the specific timeline information seems to be pre-appeal (mostly deadlines). The only thing I could find on the turnaround time from the Commissioner was this:

7. Commissioner Determination.Within a reasonable period of time, following the hearing, the Commissioner will issue a written decision which will constitute a full, final, and complete

disposition of the appeal and which will be binding on all parties.

This document is dated 2010 so I assume this is for the new CBA (?) but apologies if I located an outdated policy.

Does anyone recall timelines on previous appeal cases?

The previous CBA has come up several times in this thread. I seem to remember people having difficulty finding what the current CBA actually says about just about anything.

Couldn't a team owner get their hands on a copy of some of these documents, since they seem to be sealed up in some vault somewhere? Calling any Packers owners who'd like to share what the actual league rules are!

Just google NFL CBA pdf and there will be several copies of it at the top of the results. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

Though true that having a copy doesn't necessarily mean things aren't difficult to find in it. And the actual drug policy isn't necessarily fully detailed in the CBA, it can be its own document.

The one previously posted for the substance abuse policy is still the one linked to by the NFLPA as being current.

 

[Sabertooth]

Lol