WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

[Ryan Swope's Pro Career]

This was as good as I could have reasonably hoped for, and exactly as predicted; timing was off between him and Hoyer, but he put up numbers regardless. Now all I need to do is trade for OBJ and I'll be taking my championship

 

[John 14:6]

Might have to bench Calvin

 

[Soulfly3]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

 

[John 14:6]

I'll have to check match-ups, but maybe I'll bench Evans instead...

 

[mnmplayer]

I usually don't point to Yahoo for good articles but:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/scouting-notebook--gordon-going-gonzo-180750678.html

his median (not mean) MEDIAN game over the last 15 is 120+. For the statistically challenged, that means more games than not he gets your 120! This is much more impressive than a mean or average of 120+ (which included some 200+ games).

Now that is freakishly impressive on it's own, but when you consider he did that with Hoyer/Weedon/Jason Campbell ... CRAZY ELITE>!

ETA: There is no denying he is a WR1 "What receiver in the history of our game has had this kind of floor?" This is RB type consistency from the WR position.

 

[Shawn]

props to soulfly for keeping the faith! i was a doubter

Never a doubt. Not even a crumb.

JG and I... We're tight. I tried to get folks to listen... But hey... To each their own.

Let's just rejoice in the renewed glory of Josh

I listened... so much so i got him in 2 dynasty leagues(cheap trades, that my leaguemates are all kicking themselves for now) and 1 redraft that i just grabbed him off waivers week2. Paying off huge now!!!

 

[Shawn]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

and your running backs are Shonn Greene and Frank Gore? I kid, i have a similar situation in one league...sitting Calvin so i can play A Brown, AJ Green and J Gordon in one dynasty. lmao...

 

[Soulfly3]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

and your running backs are Shonn Greene and Frank Gore?

Ingram, Mason, Crowell, and McCoy (until 2 weeks ago, where I traded him to get AJ Green)

 

[Henry Ford]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

and your running backs are Shonn Greene and Frank Gore?

Ingram, Mason, Crowell, and McCoy (until 2 weeks ago, where I traded him to get AJ Green)

You traded McCoy for a WR who will be in rotation to sit?

 

[cvnpoka]

the last two picks were on gordon not hoyer, especially the one in the endzone. i started gordon so im happy with his 90 some yards atm with a few endzone targets, but his day could have been huge if he was looking for and trying for the passes. is he gassed or just not expecting to get the ball?

the first one, no way. that was just an awful throw right to the defender. the 2nd one i guess it would have been nice to see him make an effort to jump for the ball or disrupt the db. i dunno tho, it was proly too far away from him.

hoyer missed him open a few times. at the end of the first half was the egregious miss where gordon tried to 1 hand it. also, hoyer shoulda went back shoulder on that end zone attempt in the first half. defender had him covered well so there was no way he coulda got behind him but a good throw is a td.

 

[NoMercy]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

Awesome! What a line-up for you! With so much talent I can understand the torture in deciding who to start/sit.

 

[grateful zed]

so, what's the general consensus on gordon again?

 

[justinl]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

Awesome! What a line-up for you! With so much talent I can understand the torture in deciding who to start/sit.

I don't know if I can trust Eli Manning or Josh McCown enough to leave my season on the line to them (if I have that group). OBJ has great matchups from here on out, but so do Gordon and Green, and Brown.

 

[rockaction]

No Joke.... In my longtime (15+yr) 12 team Big $$$ Redraft league w all my best buds, my receivers are now:

Gordon

A. Brown

AJ Green

Evans

Odell Beckham

Gronk

One of my WRs has to sit now, and it's torturous... Tho, I assume for THIS week coming, it'll be Evans v CIN

and your running backs are Shonn Greene and Frank Gore?

Ingram, Mason, Crowell, and McCoy (until 2 weeks ago, where I traded him to get AJ Green)

You traded McCoy for a WR who will be in rotation to sit?

I don't think anybody foresaw ODB being quite this good. Well, I did. But I also traded M. Bryant and Edelman for a chance at A Pete because I had Gordon. (This was before all the A Pete stuff pointed negatively.) So yeah, there's always something to criticize.

 

[Ojaays]

From what I've read, seems like quite a few of the misses yesterday were just as much if not more on Gordon than Hoyer. Not really defending BH, he is what he is - mediocre college QB, UDFA who bounced around and is enjoying a good run. The Browns are sometimes winning in spite of him, not because of him. But I think he and Gordon were clearly out of sync yesterday. I'd put that on the guy who didn't practice for three months.

Eh, no not really.

Watched the entire game, Gordon was streaming open all over the field, wide open , and Hoyer missed him badly.

Like the poster above you said, this could/should have been about a 220/2 stat line for Gordon.

Hoyer was more good than bad, even with the 3 picks that almost cost them the game, he was perfect on the last drive.

He did miss on 3 big plays to Gordon and at least 2 of them would have been TDs.

 

[JamesTheScot]

The good, and not so good of Josh Gordon's victorious Browns return

That blurb is worthless. It contains this nugget:

"It goes without saying that it was a horrible throw from Hoyer and a wonderful catch by Falcons cornerback Desmond Trufant. But Gordon seemingly had a chance to make a play on the ball but didn't. Maybe Gordon had run past the play, but he also made no effort to jump or to try to break up the pass.

Again, not Gordon's fault. But it's also worth questioning him, especially since coach Mike Pettine talked about his disappointed in Gordon's effort during training camp."

So does this guy not get that if it isn't Gordon's fault, then it isn't Gordon's fault? If it isn't his fault, then, no, you shouldn't be questioning him. Because it's simple logic that it can't not be his fault and yet still be part his fault all at the same time. What a #######! It just sounds like someone just trying to rain on the parade.

Now, having said that, I think it's possible that Gordon and Hoyer had some miscues based on their lack of practice time together. That's the bad news. The ONLY bad news. The good news is that despite limited accuracy and arm talent, Hoyer showed that he has zero concerns about feeding Gordon lots of targets. And if anything, Hoyer got a positive outcome (a win and one more week to start) by raining Gordon with targets. So as they do get more in sync, I can see Hoyer/Gordon becoming more efficient with the targets and doing more with them in terms of scores. It's a feedback loop. Hoyer throws to Gordon and wins, so he throws more to Gordon to keep winning.

And with Crowell making the most of his touches, imagine how the pass and run are going to feed off each other. Just imagine opposing safeties taking even one bad half-step to bite on a play-action with Gordon isolated on the outside with a CB expecting help over the top. And imagine DC's afraid to stack the box on Crowell for fear that the Browns will just audible to a pass.

Some creative play-calling with these skill players and it could quickly become a nightmare for opposing defenses.

 

[Ojaays]

For the record, with Gordon on a "snap count", he led the team in targets (16).

Austin was next with 8.

 

[Soulfly3]

His last 16 games would give him 1805 yards

Good for the 3rd best season in NFL history

 

[TDorBust]

For the record, with Gordon on a "snap count", he led the team in targets (16).

Austin was next with 8.

ESPN Headline Friday: "Browns Camp: Gordon to see increase to 21 snaps"

The McDonald's music just fits on this thread.

Ba Da Ba Ba Ba I'm Lovin It!

 

[Jerry Curl]

After the game someone offered me two late rounds Firsts for him.

16 Targets? On a snap count? There was never a doubt this guy was a stud. I will take whatever risk he has when he puts up 20 points without scoring a TD on a snap count.

To think there was a time us owners couldnt give him away.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Absolutely. PPG, averaged out over the season, he's a low-end WR1 in my league right now after 1 game.

According to my .5 PPR league, he's WR #3 right now behind Antonio Brown and D. Thomas, when averaging points per games played.

 

[Soulfly3]

Absolutely. PPG, averaged out over the season, he's a low-end WR1 in my league right now after 1 game.

According to my .5 PPR league, he's WR #3 right now behind Antonio Brown and D. Thomas, when averaging points per games played.

Yep, he's #5 in PPG in mine.

Which imo, in his floor.

 

[Soulfly3]

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Gordon will be doing 1 on 1 interview w Nate Burleson this Sunday on NFL Network[/SIZE]

 

[Sabertooth]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

 

[Soulfly3]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

 

[pizzatyme]

After the game someone offered me two late rounds Firsts for him.

16 Targets? On a snap count? There was never a doubt this guy was a stud. I will take whatever risk he has when he puts up 20 points without scoring a TD on a snap count.

To think there was a time us owners couldnt give him away.

I feel like you're a slave of the moment.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

Receivers are a dime a dozen. Rbs not so much.

 

[tdhartis]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

Receivers are a dime a dozen. Rbs not so much.

Yeah, depending on my RB situation I would have strongly considered that offer.

 

[Ilov80s]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

Receivers are a dime a dozen. Rbs not so much.

Yeah, depending on my RB situation I would have strongly considered that offer.

I'm a Gordon lifer, but in redraft, Lacy is more valuable.

 

[Sabertooth]

Agreed. In dynasty I value him more as well because of Gordon's off the field history. He's a idiot. He could very easily be on suspension soon.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

so, what's the general consensus on gordon again?

Depends on whether or not he's on your team.

He's not on any of my teams - but he's really really good.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

Receivers are a dime a dozen. Rbs not so much.

The top elite WRs are not a "dime a dozen".

ETA: With that said I do see a Gordon for Lacy deal as pretty even value, with young RBs being so scarce.

 

[Sabertooth]

I was asked before the game what I wanted for Gordon. I responded Eddie Lacy. He balked. I figured he would and to be honest I wasn't even sure I wanted to do that.

Ew, why would you do that?

Receivers are a dime a dozen. Rbs not so much.

The top elite WRs are not a "dime a dozen".

ETA: With that said I do see a Gordon for Lacy deal as pretty even value, with young RBs being so scarce.

Who are these top elite receivers? Calvin? AJ Green? Julio? Alshon? Marshall? Thomas? Dez? Jordy? Maclin? Hilton? Cobb? Sanders? Tate? Gordon?

Any one of those guys (and several others I've probably missed) could suffice as your WR1. Any one of them can put up numbers right on par with Gordon in a give week (or season). How many running backs can do what Lacy does? Forte? CHarles, Murray? Lynch? Foster? Maybe Bell? Am I missing anyone? It's hard to call something elite when 12-15 guys are doing it on a given Sunday.

 

[Soulfly3]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Positional scarcity. Yeah, RBs have always had a short shelf life but young 3 down studs are still worth as much if not more than stud WRs even in ppr. Just not many of them and you get a distinct advantage vs the ton of good WR options out there.

 

[shadyridr]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

 

[Soulfly3]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

I can see both points and I used to agree with you a few years ago. But with the way the NFL is today, WRs are a commodity.

 

[pizzatyme]

Define Stud RB

I'm in Soulfly's camp regarding PPR Redraft. With the exception of 4 RBs this year, I'd have rather had my top WR.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Most leagues almost everyone has good WRs. They're getting to be like QBs. Unless truly elite who cares. RB everyone's struggling to find good week in week out options.

 

[Soulfly3]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

I can see both points and I used to agree with you a few years ago. But with the way the NFL is today, WRs are a commodity.

I dont trust RBs with Today's NFL as is, aside from MAYBE 2-3... does that make those 2-3 guys more valuable? ABSOLUTELY.

Does it make them significantly more valuable to me, in a dynasty league, when I kno the NFL is totally pass heavy now, RBs are severely devalued (and now starting to be severely underpaid) and have shorter shelflifes than the top WRs.

Would I like a Forte on my roster? Hell yes. Would I trade a Gordon, Dez, Demariyus, AJ Green etc to get him? Not a chance.

Funny, just took a look at the top 3 teams in my big $$$ dynasty league - none of them have a truly elite RB

And the one guy with Foster, Peterson and Lesean is near dead last (tho health/misc reasons aided in that... but he didnt win last year either)

 

[fruity pebbles]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

I can see both points and I used to agree with you a few years ago. But with the way the NFL is today, WRs are a commodity.

I dont trust RBs with Today's NFL as is, aside from MAYBE 2-3... does that make those 2-3 guys more valuable? ABSOLUTELY.

Does it make them significantly more valuable to me, in a dynasty league, when I kno the NFL is totally pass heavy now, RBs are severely devalued (and now starting to be severely underpaid) and have shorter shelflifes than the top WRs.

Would I like a Forte on my roster? Hell yes. Would I trade a Gordon, Dez, Demariyus, AJ Green etc to get him? Not a chance.

Funny, just took a look at the top 3 teams in my big $$$ dynasty league - none of them have a truly elite RB

And the one guy with Foster, Peterson and Lesean is near dead last (tho health/misc reasons aided in that... but he didnt win last year either)

Of course you wouldn't do that deal for Forte, he's 29 years old. But would you do it for Leveon Bell?

 

[Soulfly3]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

I can see both points and I used to agree with you a few years ago. But with the way the NFL is today, WRs are a commodity.

I dont trust RBs with Today's NFL as is, aside from MAYBE 2-3... does that make those 2-3 guys more valuable? ABSOLUTELY.

Does it make them significantly more valuable to me, in a dynasty league, when I kno the NFL is totally pass heavy now, RBs are severely devalued (and now starting to be severely underpaid) and have shorter shelflifes than the top WRs.

Would I like a Forte on my roster? Hell yes. Would I trade a Gordon, Dez, Demariyus, AJ Green etc to get him? Not a chance.

Funny, just took a look at the top 3 teams in my big $$$ dynasty league - none of them have a truly elite RB

And the one guy with Foster, Peterson and Lesean is near dead last (tho health/misc reasons aided in that... but he didnt win last year either)

Of course you wouldn't do that deal for Forte, he's 29 years old. But would you do it for Leveon Bell?

I traded Bell this last summer to get the 1.01 pick... Which I traded to get the 1.02 pick + 2015 1st (Bills Homer who reeeeeally wanted Watkins), and I was going to Take Evans #1 anyways, so I basically stole a 2015 1st..

Point being, I traded him away, not expecting what he became this season, at all.

Now, if I could do it over, would I? The answer is yes. That's my dynasty philosophy. Top end WR talents first.

In fact, I dont know if you subscribe here or not, but Evans is ranked as the no1 WR in dynasty by a staffer.. and while I dont have him that high YET, he's in WR1 territory solidly, for me.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

 

[Henry Ford]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

I'm in a non-ppr dynasty. Lots of people are. Especially people who play in long-standing dynasty leagues.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm in a non-ppr dynasty. Lots of people are. Especially people who play in long-standing dynasty leagues.

Ya, I figured more than a few were out there... Just havent been in any, and all the "new leagues" seem to be PPR.

Prior to joining the PPR army, I always thought "wtf for?" and that there wasnt much of a difference. I was pretty wrong.

Still enjoy both though, and my $$$ redraft is and will remain nonPPR

 

[Soulfly3]

GREAT article on Gordon from today - touches on some delicate subjects w teammates, coaching etc.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/josh_gordon_has_gotten_the_col.html

Snippet from Pettine:

"I don't know if I've ever seen anybody just make it look so effortless, but he's a guy that he still knows he's got to get some things cleaned up and when there's some 50-50 balls down the field, we're going to work on having him go attack the ball a little bit more,'' said Pettine. "But we know it and he knows it as well that there are things he needs to improve on, but we couldn't have asked for a better start for him coming off of his suspension.''

...... Bolded the first part, as his effortlessness is what some inexplicably confuse as laziness.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ok I'm going to go through the effort of talking about the matchup.

In Buffalo, the team and the populace are (understandably, we've been there) ramped up about the storm and its aftermath. The Bills really showed up to absolutely decimate the Jets under difficult circumstances.

BUF is middle of the pack in terms of FFPA to WRs, 15th most. Lafell and Tate had very good games against them.

Outdoors, weather? Any concerns there?

 

[Soulfly3]

re: Weather - Gordon played in the following cities last December:

Cleveland: 261/2

New England: 151/1

Cleveland: 67/1

New York (Metlife): 97/0

Pittsburgh: 82/1

... there a 30+ and 20+ yd run sprinkled in there too...

 

[shadyridr]

GREAT article on Gordon from today - touches on some delicate subjects w teammates, coaching etc.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/josh_gordon_has_gotten_the_col.html

Snippet from Pettine:

"I don't know if I've ever seen anybody just make it look so effortless, but he's a guy that he still knows he's got to get some things cleaned up and when there's some 50-50 balls down the field, we're going to work on having him go attack the ball a little bit more,'' said Pettine. "But we know it and he knows it as well that there are things he needs to improve on, but we couldn't have asked for a better start for him coming off of his suspension.''

...... Bolded the first part, as his effortlessness is what some inexplicably confuse as laziness.

Reminds me of Robinson Cano.