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WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

Soulfly3 said:
“Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life... as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”

- Booker T. Gordon
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Here's another from Booker T.:

Nothing ever comes to one, that is worth having, except as a result of hard work.

And another:

Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way.

And another:

I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has had to overcome while trying to succeed.

 
I Am the Stig said:
joey said:
Maybe he's talking dynasty.

I traded Gordon away for a 2015 1st in the heat of all the drama earlier this season.

Part of me regrets it (though I'm still in the playoffs in that dynasty league) but part of me will be glad during the offseason that I don't have to hold my breath on this guy staying clean.
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So, since you own no stock in Gordon you are essentially here to root for him to fail another test so that your trade looks good and you can say "I told you so" in a forum?

That is adorable.
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Your take on my post is what's adorable.

I said I didn't have the stomach to hold him vs. a guaranteed high 2015 1st. That's not rooting against him. But you read it that way I guess. I guess my risk tolerance on Gordon is much lower than yours, which I imagine you might think is adorable too?

And, for the record, I plan on riding Gordon to the championship in one of my redraft leagues.

But during the craziness of the will he/won't he, pre-rule changes, I think taking a 1st for Gordon was a logical thing to do for some of us...well, me at least.

Signed,

Adorable

 
I Am the Stig said:
joey said:
I Am the Stig said:
joey said:
Maybe he's talking dynasty.

I traded Gordon away for a 2015 1st in the heat of all the drama earlier this season.

Part of me regrets it (though I'm still in the playoffs in that dynasty league) but part of me will be glad during the offseason that I don't have to hold my breath on this guy staying clean.
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So, since you own no stock in Gordon you are essentially here to root for him to fail another test so that your trade looks good and you can say "I told you so" in a forum?That is adorable.
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Your take on my post is what's adorable. I said I didn't have the stomach to hold him vs. a guaranteed high 2015 1st. That's not rooting against him. But you read it that way I guess. I guess my risk tolerance on Gordon is much lower than yours, which I imagine you might think is adorable too?

And, for the record, I plan on riding Gordon to the championship in one of my redraft leagues.

But during the craziness of the will he/won't he, pre-rule changes, I think taking a 1st for Gordon was a logical thing to do for some of us...well, me at least.

Signed,

Adorable
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So why are you hanging out in a Gordon thread? Offering up such insightful analysis as "he could be suspended again"

Thank you Captian Obvious
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Did you read the part where I said I own him in redraft?

And do you think that maybe I was in this thread way back in the beginning when i still owned him in dynasty and before I traded him away for a 1st?

Is it that hard to understand someone preferring to have a 1st rounder over a player like Gordon who was one more strike way from being suspended for life (under the old rules at the time of my trade)?

Am I being obtuse?

 
joey said:
I Am the Stig said:
joey said:
Maybe he's talking dynasty.

I traded Gordon away for a 2015 1st in the heat of all the drama earlier this season.

Part of me regrets it (though I'm still in the playoffs in that dynasty league) but part of me will be glad during the offseason that I don't have to hold my breath on this guy staying clean.
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So, since you own no stock in Gordon you are essentially here to root for him to fail another test so that your trade looks good and you can say "I told you so" in a forum?That is adorable.
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Your take on my post is what's adorable. I said I didn't have the stomach to hold him vs. a guaranteed high 2015 1st. That's not rooting against him. But you read it that way I guess. I guess my risk tolerance on Gordon is much lower than yours, which I imagine you might think is adorable too?

And, for the record, I plan on riding Gordon to the championship in one of my redraft leagues.

But during the craziness of the will he/won't he, pre-rule changes, I think taking a 1st for Gordon was a logical thing to do for some of us...well, me at least.

Signed,

Adorable
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I have no idea where you grabbed Gordon in your redraft league but I'll assume the price was low. Congrats on getting a first round pick for him. Enjoy trying to convert that pick into the quality player that Gordon is.

 
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You deleted your "Captain Obvious" post but it's there in my previous reply, and you're back pedaling now that you seem to understand that I wasn't wishing ill will on Gordon, or his owners, or saying that I think he will likely get suspended. I just said it was more risk than I personally wanted to take on with Gordon. Believe me, I know his upside having ridden him to a championship in that same dynasty league a year before.

In redraft, yeah, his cost was a free agent pick up early in the season. So his first 120 yard game already paid me back in full (though he better not stop there since I held him this whole time!)

And, yes, turning that 2015 1st into a player as good as Gordon is a tall order, but IF Gordon gets suspended again, at least I'll have something for him. At the time of the trade, it was waaay to volatile a situation to have much faith in Gordon's NFL future.

 
joey said:
You deleted your "Captain Obvious" post but it's there in my previous reply, and you're back pedaling now that you seem to understand that I wasn't wishing ill will on Gordon, or his owners, or saying that I think he will likely get suspended. I just said it was more risk than I personally wanted to take on with Gordon. Believe me, I know his upside having ridden him to a championship in that same dynasty league a year before.

In redraft, yeah, his cost was a free agent pick up early in the season. So his first 120 yard game already paid me back in full (though he better not stop there since I held him this whole time!)

And, yes, turning that 2015 1st into a player as good as Gordon is a tall order, but IF Gordon gets suspended again, at least I'll have something for him. At the time of the trade, it was waaay to volatile a situation to have much faith in Gordon's NFL future.
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And I said, good luck with that. Not back pedaling. Let us know who you convert the pick into.

You have to embrace risk in fantasy and you blinked on a player entering the prime of his career. #WINNING

 
Well, now that the quarrel is hopefully over, what are everyone's expectations for Gordon against the Bills this week?

The Bills allow the 6th fewest receiving yards per game (213.8), the 2nd fewest passing TDs this season (14), are tied for the 3rd most interceptions (13), and lead the league in sacks (46). So, we know that Hoyer is likely going to be feeling pressure early and often, which could cause issues with allowing some of Gordon's deeper routes to develop. This is alleviated to some extent by the fact that the Browns seem to be getting him involves in shorter/intermediate routes with YAC potential, as well as with screens and handoffs.

The Bills defense has also been more soft against the run in the past 5 games or so. I imagine the Browns will try to establish the run early, and I'm hoping they can have some success so that Hoyer can rely upon the play action to buy more time in the pocket and hit those deep routes with better odds. If the Browns are not succesful running the ball and/or get behind in the game I think Hoyer and Gordon are going to suffer immensely.

Another small concern may be that Hoyer's forcing the ball to Gordon last week might have reprimanded this week and he may be more hesitant to do the same against Buffalo. I know we all loved the 16 targets last game, but unless the Browns get behind early I would expect a dropoff. Hopefully Hoyer and Gordon have been working on their timing and the extra week leads to better completion percentages that we saw against Atlanta, which would offset a possible dip in targets.

Overall I think this a risky game, and even with all of Gordon's talents this could be a down game if the Bills dominate the line and/or Hoyer struggles with his accuracy again. What does everyone else think? Concerned or confident?

 
tdhartis said:
Well, now that the quarrel is hopefully over, what are everyone's expectations for Gordon against the Bills this week?

The Bills allow the 6th fewest receiving yards per game (213.8), the 2nd fewest passing TDs this season (14), are tied for the 3rd most interceptions (13), and lead the league in sacks (46). So, we know that Hoyer is likely going to be feeling pressure early and often, which could cause issues with allowing some of Gordon's deeper routes to develop. This is alleviated to some extent by the fact that the Browns seem to be getting him involves in shorter/intermediate routes with YAC potential, as well as with screens and handoffs.

The Bills defense has also been more soft against the run in the past 5 games or so. I imagine the Browns will try to establish the run early, and I'm hoping they can have some success so that Hoyer can rely upon the play action to buy more time in the pocket and hit those deep routes with better odds. If the Browns are not succesful running the ball and/or get behind in the game I think Hoyer and Gordon are going to suffer immensely.

Another small concern may be that Hoyer's forcing the ball to Gordon last week might have reprimanded this week and he may be more hesitant to do the same against Buffalo. I know we all loved the 16 targets last game, but unless the Browns get behind early I would expect a dropoff. Hopefully Hoyer and Gordon have been working on their timing and the extra week leads to better completion percentages that we saw against Atlanta, which would offset a possible dip in targets.

Overall I think this a risky game, and even with all of Gordon's talents this could be a down game if the Bills dominate the line and/or Hoyer struggles with his accuracy again. What does everyone else think? Concerned or confident?
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agree with pretty much all of your comments.... but honestly... like last week... i have no idea what to expect from gordon this week... you'd think a real defense would better be able to gameplan to shut him down.... but maybe he starts off slow as they establish the run and play action opens up possibility of long plays? i'm hoping for the best

 
tdhartis said:
Well, now that the quarrel is hopefully over, what are everyone's expectations for Gordon against the Bills this week?

The Bills allow the 6th fewest receiving yards per game (213.8), the 2nd fewest passing TDs this season (14), are tied for the 3rd most interceptions (13), and lead the league in sacks (46). So, we know that Hoyer is likely going to be feeling pressure early and often, which could cause issues with allowing some of Gordon's deeper routes to develop. This is alleviated to some extent by the fact that the Browns seem to be getting him involves in shorter/intermediate routes with YAC potential, as well as with screens and handoffs.

The Bills defense has also been more soft against the run in the past 5 games or so. I imagine the Browns will try to establish the run early, and I'm hoping they can have some success so that Hoyer can rely upon the play action to buy more time in the pocket and hit those deep routes with better odds. If the Browns are not succesful running the ball and/or get behind in the game I think Hoyer and Gordon are going to suffer immensely.

Another small concern may be that Hoyer's forcing the ball to Gordon last week might have reprimanded this week and he may be more hesitant to do the same against Buffalo. I know we all loved the 16 targets last game, but unless the Browns get behind early I would expect a dropoff. Hopefully Hoyer and Gordon have been working on their timing and the extra week leads to better completion percentages that we saw against Atlanta, which would offset a possible dip in targets.

Overall I think this a risky game, and even with all of Gordon's talents this could be a down game if the Bills dominate the line and/or Hoyer struggles with his accuracy again. What does everyone else think? Concerned or confident?
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But (if i'm not mistaken) the Bills are still somehow middle of the pack (about 15th most) FFP allowed to WRs this year? They have faced some committees and some not-great passing games. Tate, Malcolm Floyd, Lafell, Edelman, Hopkins, Bowe are some names that have had good days on them, though no huge ones (LaFell was close to that). It also seems to me more likely Crowell and West will have a hard time moving the ball so Hoyer may be looking to Gordon regardless.

It would be nice to get a weather update but I take it the conditions will be good.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
tdhartis said:
Well, now that the quarrel is hopefully over, what are everyone's expectations for Gordon against the Bills this week?

The Bills allow the 6th fewest receiving yards per game (213.8), the 2nd fewest passing TDs this season (14), are tied for the 3rd most interceptions (13), and lead the league in sacks (46). So, we know that Hoyer is likely going to be feeling pressure early and often, which could cause issues with allowing some of Gordon's deeper routes to develop. This is alleviated to some extent by the fact that the Browns seem to be getting him involves in shorter/intermediate routes with YAC potential, as well as with screens and handoffs.

The Bills defense has also been more soft against the run in the past 5 games or so. I imagine the Browns will try to establish the run early, and I'm hoping they can have some success so that Hoyer can rely upon the play action to buy more time in the pocket and hit those deep routes with better odds. If the Browns are not succesful running the ball and/or get behind in the game I think Hoyer and Gordon are going to suffer immensely.

Another small concern may be that Hoyer's forcing the ball to Gordon last week might have reprimanded this week and he may be more hesitant to do the same against Buffalo. I know we all loved the 16 targets last game, but unless the Browns get behind early I would expect a dropoff. Hopefully Hoyer and Gordon have been working on their timing and the extra week leads to better completion percentages that we saw against Atlanta, which would offset a possible dip in targets.

Overall I think this a risky game, and even with all of Gordon's talents this could be a down game if the Bills dominate the line and/or Hoyer struggles with his accuracy again. What does everyone else think? Concerned or confident?
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But (if i'm not mistaken) the Bills are still somehow middle of the pack (about 15th most) FFP allowed to WRs this year? They have faced some committees and some not-great passing games. Tate, Malcolm Floyd, Lafell, Edelman, Hopkins, Bowe are some names that have had good days on them, though no huge ones (LaFell was close to that). It also seems to me more likely Crowell and West will have a hard time moving the ball so Hoyer may be looking to Gordon regardless.

It would be nice to get a weather update but I take it the conditions will be good.
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The names you mentioned made me think about whether the Bills are a team that tends to do well against #1s, but not #2s. These charts show the typical matchup difficulty for a team's WR1 versus each defense, and here's the same for WR2s. You'll notice the Bills are stingy against opposing team's top WR and actually rather soft against opposing WR2s.

I'm actually hoping Crowell and West do not have a hard time moving the ball so some of the threat of BUF's pass rush is diminished and the play action is respected. As I mentioned, the BUF defense has actually been rather middle the pack over the last 5 weeks when it comes to rushing yards allowed, so I could see CLE having some success with it.

Current forecast for Buffalo tomorrow is 50 degrees with a 50% chance of rain and winds at 15-25mph. Not ideal.

edit: I've been around for a while but am still not 100% clear on forums rules on linking to external sources. If this isn't kosher someone please let me know and I'll remove the hyperlinks.

 
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If I have Gordon in any of my leagues (and by now I guess you know I do still own him in one redraft league ;) ) I don't spend a second analyzing his matchup. I start him without question and he gives me whatever he gives me.

But I'm hoping he gets suspended of course so that my trade looks better. ;)

Btw, after last week, I'm putting his floor at 100yds. Anything else is thanksgiving gravy.

 
Appearing on GameDay Morning, NFL Network's Albert Breer reports the Browns will take the "reins off" Josh Gordon in Week 13 against the Bills.
Gordon played 69.2 percent of the snaps in his Week 12 debut and hung 8-120-0 on the Falcons. Expect Gordon to be in on 85-plus percent of the snaps Sunday and dominate targets once again, especially with Jordan Cameron (concussion) still out. Gordon is our No. 7 receiver this week with unlimited upside.




 
Redmanchu said:
Appearing on GameDay Morning, NFL Network's Albert Breer reports the Browns will take the "reins off" Josh Gordon in Week 13 against the Bills.
Gordon played 69.2 percent of the snaps in his Week 12 debut and hung 8-120-0 on the Falcons. Expect Gordon to be in on 85-plus percent of the snaps Sunday and dominate targets once again, especially with Jordan Cameron (concussion) still out. Gordon is our No. 7 receiver this week with unlimited upside.
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I'm already pitching my tent...

 
I have a feeling he's gonna score a long TD off a slant route and just burn everyone to the house (a la Talib)

and maybe score another, but a very long gain regardless on a screen pass.

 
Sabertooth said:
Buffaloes said:
Sabertooth said:
Who are these top elite receivers? Calvin? AJ Green? Julio? Alshon? Marshall? Thomas? Dez? Jordy? Maclin? Hilton? Cobb? Sanders? Tate? Gordon?

Any one of those guys (and several others I've probably missed) could suffice as your WR1. Any one of them can put up numbers right on par with Gordon in a give week (or season).
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which of those guys has put up the same numbers (or better) over a 16-game stretch as Gordon's current 16-game stretch?
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Over the last sixteen games, Gordon has missed 10. So....
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I think you misread, my post. I said Gordon's 16-game stretch. it

s not even close for most of those guys unless the caveat was that it takes a 10-game suspension for those WR to keep pace with Gordon.

 
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Soulfly3 said:
Those ppl crapping on Hoyer are about to get a wakeup call.

He's good.

Wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than he's showing w a WR corps of scrubs and has-beens. Just you wait, Gordon gonna get Hoyer paiiiiiiiid
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0 tds, 5 picks and just lost his job since Gordons return. GREAT call
 
tdhartis said:
The Bills allow the 6th fewest receiving yards per game (213.8), the 2nd fewest passing TDs this season (14), are tied for the 3rd most interceptions (13), and lead the league in sacks (46). So, we know that Hoyer is likely going to be feeling pressure early and often, which could cause issues with allowing some of Gordon's deeper routes to develop. This is alleviated to some extent by the fact that the Browns seem to be getting him involves in shorter/intermediate routes with YAC potential, as well as with screens and handoffs.

The Bills defense has also been more soft against the run in the past 5 games or so. I imagine the Browns will try to establish the run early, and I'm hoping they can have some success so that Hoyer can rely upon the play action to buy more time in the pocket and hit those deep routes with better odds. If the Browns are not succesful running the ball and/or get behind in the game I think Hoyer and Gordon are going to suffer immensely.

Overall I think this a risky game, and even with all of Gordon's talents this could be a down game if the Bills dominate the line and/or Hoyer struggles with his accuracy again. What does everyone else think? Concerned or confident?
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So, pretty much every concern came to light. Thoughts on Gordon going forward if Manziel keeps the starting position?

 
T J said:
Soulfly3 said:
shadyridr said:
Soulfly3 said:
Those ppl crapping on Hoyer are about to get a wakeup call.

He's good.

Wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than he's showing w a WR corps of scrubs and has-beens. Just you wait, Gordon gonna get Hoyer paiiiiiiiid
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0 tds, 5 picks and just lost his job since Gordons return. GREAT call
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Yup. Was def wrong about Hoyer
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And Gordon.
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No he's not. You expect Gordon to throw to himself? Buffalo has a good defense and Hoyer was awful, how is that on gordon?

 
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