WR Josh Gordon, KC (7 Viewers)

[ghostguy123]

Seems like we are having 11 different conversations all at once.

Gordon is an idiot, deserves his suspension.

The league rules and testing habits are crazy strict, and I do not think they should be. This is the NFL, not NASA.

If players want to do dumb stuff off the field like talk about or show pictures of themselves smoking weed, they deserve discipline.

It isn't necessarily JUST weed that I am referring to for testing, but for discussion purposes it is probably the most common thing guys are suspended for that I disagree with them being tested for it in the first place.

 

[ghostguy123]

Hate to break it to you, but the healthcare of people isn't the driving force behind your work testing you. It has to do with money and liability. Same as the NFL. If it had no effect on the bottom line, neither company would care.

I know. Did I ever disagree with this somewhere either?? I think hospitals should test their emplyoyees way more than they do, but it costs money so they wont. They jsut will if they think it will help their case in a lawsuit.

Only thing I disagree with is that I don't think it actually DOES have an effect on their bottom line. They NFL just thinks it does, and that is why they make ALL their decisions that they make. If anything the strictness of their rules could be hurting their bottom line because of how much we have to talk about guys using weed and all that negative attention it brings.

 

[iamkoza]

the ultimate knucklehead.... had a shot at keeping him for 2015 for $1.... looks like the people who sold low last month were the smart ones after all

 

[ghostguy123]

the ultimate knucklehead.... had a shot at keeping him for 2015 for $1.... looks like the people who sold low last month were the smart ones after all

Some people who kept him maybe lost out on a 1st round pick or something. Sucks but>>>>>>>>In the past year, Gordon probably just cost himself about 50 million bucks. Ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Good god that is jump of a bridge horrific

 

[KCitons]

Hate to break it to you, but the healthcare of people isn't the driving force behind your work testing you. It has to do with money and liability. Same as the NFL. If it had no effect on the bottom line, neither company would care.

I know. Did I ever disagree with this somewhere either?? I think hospitals should test their emplyoyees way more than they do, but it costs money so they wont. They jsut will if they think it will help their case in a lawsuit.

Only thing I disagree with is that I don't think it actually DOES have an effect on their bottom line. They NFL just thinks it does, and that is why they make ALL their decisions that they make. If anything the strictness of their rules could be hurting their bottom line because of how much we have to talk about guys using weed and all that negative attention it brings.

It would free up more time to talk about the proper air pressure of footballs.

 

[ghostguy123]

It would free up more time to talk about the proper air pressure of footballs.

Air pressure of the water bongs would be more fun to talk about.

NFL is turning into a day time soap. This cant be a good thing.

 

[uconnalum]

The story being reported is his BAC was greather than .01 and he signed a 0 tolerance alcohol policy to be reinstated. Any facts to this story...

 

[Bojang0301]

I wonder if Jim Irsay gets routinely breathalyzed. And, no, that is not a defense of Gordon but an attack on the NFL's continuous ludicrous policies.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wonder if Jim Irsay gets routinely breathalyzed. And, no, that is not a defense of Gordon but an attack on the NFL's continuous ludicrous policies.

No but Lynch has to wear a pressure sensor on his junk next sunday

 

[Bojang0301]

I wonder if Jim Irsay gets routinely breathalyzed. And, no, that is not a defense of Gordon but an attack on the NFL's continuous ludicrous policies.

No but Lynch has to wear a pressure sensor on his junk next sunday

Jimmy Graham was drawing flags left and right for goal post dunking early in the season but grabbing ones d*** was completely ignored until the league had to tell the refs to flag it... interesting. Almost like they don't have a clue what's going on from top to bottom.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wonder if Jim Irsay gets routinely breathalyzed. And, no, that is not a defense of Gordon but an attack on the NFL's continuous ludicrous policies.

No but Lynch has to wear a pressure sensor on his junk next sunday

Jimmy Graham was drawing flags left and right for goal post dunking early in the season but grabbing ones d*** was completely ignored until the league had to tell the refs to flag it... interesting. Almost like they don't have a clue what's going on from top to bottom.

They change the rules every time perceived negative attention is brought to the league.

If something in the news comes out about the handshake being offensive, there will be a rul for it by sunday

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

something about his DUI and being in the program.

But if the test was random, any alcohol form the past 24 hours would show up if they do a blood test. I can only imagine when he was tested he didnt know he was going to be tested. Then again, this is Josh Gordon, so he might have just poured his beer into the specimen cup

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

something about his DUI and being in the program.

But if the test was random, any alcohol form the past 24 hours would show up if they do a blood test. I can only imagine when he was tested he didnt know he was going to be tested. Then again, this is Josh Gordon, so he might have just poured his beer into the specimen cup

It seems like it has to be stupidity and carelessness on his part. I don't know the protocols involved, but I'm guessing they can't just show up at your house with a needle for your blood or a cup to pee in? So this random test (if it was random) must happen while you have to be present for some football activity? In which case, and especially in his situation as someone under more scrutiny because of his problems, he should never be having anything to drink the day before some football activity when they can put a test in front of him, until whatever DUI terms are up.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

something about his DUI and being in the program.

But if the test was random, any alcohol form the past 24 hours would show up if they do a blood test. I can only imagine when he was tested he didnt know he was going to be tested. Then again, this is Josh Gordon, so he might have just poured his beer into the specimen cup

It seems like it has to be stupidity and carelessness on his part. I don't know the protocols involved, but I'm guessing they can't just show up at your house with a needle for your blood or a cup to pee in? So this random test (if it was random) must happen while you have to be present for some football activity? In which case, and especially in his situation as someone under more scrutiny because of his problems, he should never be having anything to drink the day before some football activity when they can put a test in front of him, until whatever DUI terms are up.

yes, I lean stupidity.

Lot of people keep throwing out "addict" and "alcoholic". Seems more irresponsible, careless, and stupid to me. I have worked with and for addicts, and he hasnt done anything (yet) that make him look like an addict to me. Using substances does not equal addiction. if it did, well, we would have quite a few addicts running around.

Now, the DUI would normally be something, but wasn't it on like the 4th of July or something at 3am, and he blew a 0.9? That would be the lowest BAL for an alcoholic at 3am on a holiday in history.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

something about his DUI and being in the program.

But if the test was random, any alcohol form the past 24 hours would show up if they do a blood test. I can only imagine when he was tested he didnt know he was going to be tested. Then again, this is Josh Gordon, so he might have just poured his beer into the specimen cup

It seems like it has to be stupidity and carelessness on his part. I don't know the protocols involved, but I'm guessing they can't just show up at your house with a needle for your blood or a cup to pee in? So this random test (if it was random) must happen while you have to be present for some football activity? In which case, and especially in his situation as someone under more scrutiny because of his problems, he should never be having anything to drink the day before some football activity when they can put a test in front of him, until whatever DUI terms are up.

yes, I lean stupidity.

Lot of people keep throwing out "addict" and "alcoholic". Seems more irresponsible, careless, and stupid to me. I have worked with and for addicts, and he hasnt done anything (yet) that make him look like an addict to me. Using substances does not equal addiction. if it did, well, we would have quite a few addicts running around.

Now, the DUI would normally be something, but wasn't it on like the 4th of July or something at 3am, and he blew a 0.9? That would be the lowest BAL for an alcoholic at 3am on a holiday in history.

I agree, we can't say addict or alcoholic because we don't know enough. A DUI, whenever it occurs, doens't automatically make one an addict or alcoholic. Neither does testing postive for weed. But I think he has to be a straight up dumbazz for having this happen right now. He certainly has to have some time frame for this program he is in, meaning, maybe give up all substances for a year or whatever that timeframe is. And even random drug test have to have some non randomness to it (meaning they can't break down your door on a day off and force you to pee), so at the very least just drink on days you got nothing football related going on the next day.

A guy like this should be spending a small amount of his millions for a full time babysitter to remind him what he should and shouldn't do.

 

[ghostguy123]

Just adding to the shambles my Browns have become.

Things looked so much better a few months ago, lord.

 

[cvnpoka]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

so is pot testing. and really, pot is far less detrimental as a substance.

 

[cvnpoka]

The No Fun League strikes again. Banned for having a drink? Heehee....the league is a joke. Only reason to follow it now is for fantasy purposes.

Oh, boy. Here we go with this nonsense again.

The dude violated the rules while still in the substance abuse program. This is all on him, not the league.

Consuming alcohol seems minor to all of us, but it was explicitly banned for Gordon as part of his DUI treatment plan. As NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted on Twitter, the NFL's substance abuse policy is "extremely strict and spelled out. He'll wait for 2016."

can only say this so many times

Yes, he got what he desverved based on the rules.

That does not mean the rules make any sense.

So the rule of "don't abuse substances while in the Substance Abuse Program" doesn't make any sense to you? Even after you've been busted multiple times and have a history?

"abuse" can be up for debate.

 

[cvnpoka]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

 

[jeaton6]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

Huh? Is this about Gordon? I mean his livelihood is being compromised because he made poor choices and was negligent. He was pulled over for a DUI. He chose to drink again and he got busted for it by the league. His negligence in the first place which put people's lives at risk is what has now put him in this situation.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I had no idea his issues went back so far.

I just found out he was picked in the Supplemental Draft...I didn't even know what the supplement draft was till a few minutes ago. He was in the supplement draft instead of the regular because of off field issues.

Was reading this about it...

Gordon has not played a competitive down of football since the Texas Bowl on Dec. 29, 2010, and he comes with the dreaded "character issues" label attached to him. Back in October 2010, Gordon and a then-Baylor teammate were arrested after falling asleep in a Taco Bell drive-thru. Police found marijuana in the car the two were in, though Gordon was not driving. Less than a year later, Gordon was suspended indefinitely for a violation of team rules; he later revealed that he had failed a drug test.

Gordon transferred to Utah, then changed his mind and entered the Supplemental Draft -- but too late for the 2011 version, forcing him to sit out the entire year.

sorry if this is not really news to anyone, I just really haven't learned much about this guy till now...

can't believe what a screw up he is

and edit to add...

that maybe there might be enough evidence here over the years to suggest the guy probably has a substance abuse problem

 

[cvnpoka]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

Huh? Is this about Gordon? I mean his livelihood is being compromised because he made poor choices and was negligent. He was pulled over for a DUI. He chose to drink again and he got busted for it by the league. His negligence in the first place which put people's lives at risk is what has now put him in this situation.

his livelihood is being compromised bc he ingested a legal substance and a semi legal substance. he hasnt committed any crime or hurt anyone. he did the time for his dui, but ppl want to continue punishing him for it.

the unwavering support from ppl like you and the rest in this thread for draconian punishment of non-criminal acts is more detrimental to gordon than his ingestion of substances.

 

[msommer]

Slow night at the CLE hospitals, ghost?

Re supplemental draft. Did anyone ever get picked in that and then went on to stardom?

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not judging the guy on some moral level. I think anyone should be able to ingest whatever they want. But as far as football goes, it's probably hard to be a star NFL player and have substace abuse issues. I think only a few can pull that off. And either he has those issues or he is just super unlucky. For sure, many NFL players smoke weed from time to time and "party" with whatever. Same as many young people do. But most don't pass out in Taco Bell drive thrus, get DUI's, fail drug test after drug test. Maybe one incident, but not over and over. It doesn't look like this guy will ever have the discipline it takes to be a true NFL player.

 

[jeaton6]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

Huh? Is this about Gordon? I mean his livelihood is being compromised because he made poor choices and was negligent. He was pulled over for a DUI. He chose to drink again and he got busted for it by the league. His negligence in the first place which put people's lives at risk is what has now put him in this situation.

his livelihood is being compromised bc he ingested a legal substance and a semi legal substance. he hasnt committed any crime or hurt anyone. he did the time for his dui, but ppl want to continue punishing him for it.

the unwavering support from ppl like you and the rest in this thread for draconian punishment of non-criminal acts is more detrimental to gordon than his ingestion of substances.

Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

Huh? Is this about Gordon? I mean his livelihood is being compromised because he made poor choices and was negligent. He was pulled over for a DUI. He chose to drink again and he got busted for it by the league. His negligence in the first place which put people's lives at risk is what has now put him in this situation.

his livelihood is being compromised bc he ingested a legal substance and a semi legal substance. he hasnt committed any crime or hurt anyone. he did the time for his dui, but ppl want to continue punishing him for it.

the unwavering support from ppl like you and the rest in this thread for draconian punishment of non-criminal acts is more detrimental to gordon than his ingestion of substances.

Seems as if the league (a business) wants you to prove you can maintain yourself, after having already shown the proclivity to get in trouble.

It becomes somewhat preemptive... before you actually hurt another person or the business.

 

[ghostguy123]

Slow night at the CLE hospitals, ghost?

Re supplemental draft. Did anyone ever get picked in that and then went on to stardom?

Lot of guys did well who were picked in the supplemental draft a while back. Not so much lately.

yes, slow night here

 

[ghostguy123]

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Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

You are right, semi-legal IS a new one, since it is new that weed is legal in some states and not others, hence, semi-legal.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not judging the guy on some moral level. I think anyone should be able to ingest whatever they want. But as far as football goes, it's probably hard to be a star NFL player and have substace abuse issues. I think only a few can pull that off. And either he has those issues or he is just super unlucky. For sure, many NFL players smoke weed from time to time and "party" with whatever. Same as many young people do. But most don't pass out in Taco Bell drive thrus, get DUI's, fail drug test after drug test. Maybe one incident, but not over and over. It doesn't look like this guy will ever have the discipline it takes to be a true NFL player.

It's hard to be a star player right NOW with the issues Gordon has because of how strict they are with policies, especially once you enter the NFL's crazy strict substance program.

Besides, I would more say that he had a problem with decision making than him having substance abuse problems (meaning addiction). He is not an addict, not based on his actions. Sorry, he isn't. Lot of people want believe he is, but he is not. He is irresponsible and careless, but not an addict. I think he passed more drug tests last year than pretty much anyone else on the planet.

I can certainly see him developing an addiction after blowing about 50 million bucks in the past year though.

 

[ghostguy123]

God he is an idiot though, thanks JOsh. Damn it.

I would bet money some of the worst LEGITIMATE drug addicts would be able to lay off if they knew they had a 50 million+ contract waiting for them in a year or two.

 

[jeaton6]

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Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

You are right, semi-legal IS a new one, since it is new that weed is legal in some states and not others, hence, semi-legal.

But not legal in Ohio hence ILLEGAL for Gordon when he's toking in Ohio.

 

[ghostguy123]

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Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

You are right, semi-legal IS a new one, since it is new that weed is legal in some states and not others, hence, semi-legal.

But not legal in Ohio hence ILLEGAL for Gordon when he's toking in Ohio.

Not sure the NFL cares where he toked

 

[Pots]

the ultimate knucklehead.... had a shot at keeping him for 2015 for $1.... looks like the people who sold low last month were the smart ones after all

I don't think 'sold low' means what you think it means.

 

[KCitons]

I'm not judging the guy on some moral level. I think anyone should be able to ingest whatever they want. But as far as football goes, it's probably hard to be a star NFL player and have substace abuse issues. I think only a few can pull that off. And either he has those issues or he is just super unlucky. For sure, many NFL players smoke weed from time to time and "party" with whatever. Same as many young people do. But most don't pass out in Taco Bell drive thrus, get DUI's, fail drug test after drug test. Maybe one incident, but not over and over. It doesn't look like this guy will ever have the discipline it takes to be a true NFL player.

Favre seemed to do ok.

If the fact that the NFL has a supplemental draft surprised you, you would be blown away at that number of Hall of Famers that had a substance abuse issue.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

 

[ghostguy123]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

 

[Dezbelief]

Slow night at the CLE hospitals, ghost?

Re supplemental draft. Did anyone ever get picked in that and then went on to stardom?

Lot of guys did well who were picked in the supplemental draft a while back. Not so much lately.

yes, slow night here

ProBowlers from the supplemental draft: Bernie Kosar (drafted in 1985), Chris Carter (1987), Bobby Humphrey (1989), Rob Moore (1990), Mike Wahle (1998), Jamal Williams (1998), Ahmad Brooks (2006), and Josh Gordon (2012).

 

[Dezbelief]

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Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

You are right, semi-legal IS a new one, since it is new that weed is legal in some states and not others, hence, semi-legal.

But not legal in Ohio hence ILLEGAL for Gordon when he's toking in Ohio.

Not sure the NFL cares where he toked

NFL doesn't care if it's legal or not, plenty of legal substances will cause a dirty test by NFL standards.

 

[ghostguy123]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

No. It means i prefer people to get disciplined when they actually do something wrong.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

No. It means i prefer people to get disciplined when they actually do something wrong.

Like breaking an agreement that they signed off on?

 

[Henry Ford]

Hey, is this the I told you so thread? I'm looking for it.

No, this is the "In yur grill sucka, Gordon is going to be FF gold and stack championship on top of championship for smart guys like me" thread.

Oh. Where do I go to laugh about Gordon failing another test?

 

[Sabertooth]

it was a good run Josh. Hope you can get past your demons.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not judging the guy on some moral level. I think anyone should be able to ingest whatever they want. But as far as football goes, it's probably hard to be a star NFL player and have substace abuse issues. I think only a few can pull that off. And either he has those issues or he is just super unlucky. For sure, many NFL players smoke weed from time to time and "party" with whatever. Same as many young people do. But most don't pass out in Taco Bell drive thrus, get DUI's, fail drug test after drug test. Maybe one incident, but not over and over. It doesn't look like this guy will ever have the discipline it takes to be a true NFL player.

It's hard to be a star player right NOW with the issues Gordon has because of how strict they are with policies, especially once you enter the NFL's crazy strict substance program.

Besides, I would more say that he had a problem with decision making than him having substance abuse problems (meaning addiction). He is not an addict, not based on his actions. Sorry, he isn't. Lot of people want believe he is, but he is not. He is irresponsible and careless, but not an addict. I think he passed more drug tests last year than pretty much anyone else on the planet.

I can certainly see him developing an addiction after blowing about 50 million bucks in the past year though.

When I said substance abuse problems, I wasn't using it to mean addiction, I meant someone who uses substances way too much, overdoes it too much, and continues to use substances even when it will effect his life in a negative way. I think that often time goes hand in hand with irresponsibility and carelessness.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I think being reinstated this season was the worst thing that could have happened to him.

Agree. Making things easier for him wasn't what he needed.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

I'm not judging the guy on some moral level. I think anyone should be able to ingest whatever they want. But as far as football goes, it's probably hard to be a star NFL player and have substace abuse issues. I think only a few can pull that off. And either he has those issues or he is just super unlucky. For sure, many NFL players smoke weed from time to time and "party" with whatever. Same as many young people do. But most don't pass out in Taco Bell drive thrus, get DUI's, fail drug test after drug test. Maybe one incident, but not over and over. It doesn't look like this guy will ever have the discipline it takes to be a true NFL player.

Favre seemed to do ok.

If the fact that the NFL has a supplemental draft surprised you, you would be blown away at that number of Hall of Famers that had a substance abuse issue.

For sure, some guys can pull it off. That doesn't surprise me. There are some people who can abuse in a way where they work it around and into what they need to do, so they can be functional. But I think that's probably not the norm.

 

[Bronco Billy]

:rofl:

 

[cstu]

Just adding to the shambles my Browns have become.

Things looked so much better a few months ago, lord.

High point was early 2014 before they drafted Manziel and Gordon tested positive again. Had really high hopes for the Browns then.

 

[msommer]

Slow night at the CLE hospitals, ghost?

Re supplemental draft. Did anyone ever get picked in that and then went on to stardom?

Lot of guys did well who were picked in the supplemental draft a while back. Not so much lately.

yes, slow night here

ProBowlers from the supplemental draft: Bernie Kosar (drafted in 1985), Chris Carter (1987), Bobby Humphrey (1989), Rob Moore (1990), Mike Wahle (1998), Jamal Williams (1998), Ahmad Brooks (2006), and Josh Gordon (2012).

That's pretty slim for 30 years