WR Josh Gordon, KC (9 Viewers)

[cstu]

I'm not sure of the specifics of why he is not allowed to consume alcohol. I'm also not sure how someone in his situation gets "caught" because it leaves the system pretty quickly. Is he so out of control that he couldn't abstain from drinking the night prior to a drug test? Sad. Millions of dollars and a promising career as a top WR and he just can't ditch the substances, or at the very least, become super smart about how and when to consume them.

something about his DUI and being in the program.

But if the test was random, any alcohol form the past 24 hours would show up if they do a blood test. I can only imagine when he was tested he didnt know he was going to be tested. Then again, this is Josh Gordon, so he might have just poured his beer into the specimen cup

Players are given two hours to be tested and they aren't going to be tested in the middle of the night. He could drink one beer right when he is notified of a test and will be out of his system by the time of the test.

At .08 BAC it take 5 hours to reach zero. That means he was either very drunk when he went to bed before the test or was up very late drinking.

 

[cstu]

Slow night at the CLE hospitals, ghost?

Re supplemental draft. Did anyone ever get picked in that and then went on to stardom?

Lot of guys did well who were picked in the supplemental draft a while back. Not so much lately.

yes, slow night here

ProBowlers from the supplemental draft: Bernie Kosar (drafted in 1985), Chris Carter (1987), Bobby Humphrey (1989), Rob Moore (1990), Mike Wahle (1998), Jamal Williams (1998), Ahmad Brooks (2006), and Josh Gordon (2012).

That's pretty slim for 30 years

Moore, Carter, and Gordon are the only WR's to be drafted in the top 4 rounds of the supplemental draft.

 

[karmarooster]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

 

[msommer]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

Pilots?

Operators of heavy machinery?

 

[Banger]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

regardless if you agree with the rules, they are the rules and he knew of the rules. the debate over whether or not those rules should exist is pretty irrelevant....they do exist and he is subject to them.

 

[cstu]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

As I posted above, at .08 BAC (legally drunk) it takes 5 hours for all of the alcohol to be out of your system. He did not test positive for having a glass of wine at dinner.

 

[steveski]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

I don't have any say in the rules that I have to follow at my company. The fact that the CBA was agreed upon before he entered the league proves even more that he knew what the rules were before he signed up.

What's he supposed to do? Well he can not play in the NFL. He can work normal jobs like the other 99% of the world. Nobody is forcing him to play football. If he doesn't want to follow the rules (he doesn't) then he doesn't have to. Why should the NFL and all the Gordon supporters think that the NFL should make special exceptions for him just because he's a good player? If this was some 4th string WR then nobody would care and would agree that if he can't follow the rules then he shouldn't play.

The guy doesn't care about football. Look how out of shape he was when he came back. Someone like Odell Beckham who was a rookie and wasn't able to practice at all due to injury came in right away and was in game shape. How can somebody completely healthy be that out of shape? He doesn't care about football so why does everybody here care about him playing football so much?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

except he got so tanked the Friday before his last game that he missed the next morning of work, yup no problem with that behavior when your in a substance abuse program.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

He's been passing out in drive thrus, failing drug tests, getting suspensions, missing the draft...since his college days. It's time to stop the excuses for him. He just doesn't want it bad enough.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

Very uninformed biased opinion only, that has no relevance on the reality of an agreed upon policy. Just because you don't like or agree with it doesn't make it inappropriate.

 

[fredsavage]

My place of business does not also provide a car service for me so that when I get s###faced I won't drive and kill somebody. Gordon's does, and he chose to drink and drive as well as incur a number of other infractions that many players who undoubtedly smoke weed do not. He's a moron, and I'm sure Johnny Football will be joining him very soon

 

[steveski]

My place of business does not also provide a car service for me so that when I get s###faced I won't drive and kill somebody. Gordon's does, and he chose to drink and drive as well as incur a number of other infractions that many players who undoubtedly smoke weed do not. He's a moron, and I'm sure Johnny Football will be joining him very soon

JFF is smarter than Gordon and is better at not getting caught. I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually "worse" than Gordon though. Either way, they are a good match in Cleveland.

 

[grateful zed]

There will never be a player this dumb again.

I thought it was Kenny Britt....but Josh is now that guy.

ryan leaf?

 

[Dizzy]

If the NFL rules are so insanely strict... why is it that the majority (vast majority?) of players are able to follow them?

I am hoping that the vast majority of posters here blaming the NFL's oh-so-strict policies, as opposed to Flash in the Pan Gordon, are simply too young to realize that the NFL's rules are probably better than many employers they will work for over the course of their lifetime. See how many blue-chippers tolerate an employee (with no union backing him) for multiple occurrences of any kind.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

Apparently someone as insulting as you never bothered to understand the rate at which the human body metabolizes alcohol. But continue on with the fiction based outrage.

 

[karmarooster]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

regardless if you agree with the rules, they are the rules and he knew of the rules. the debate over whether or not those rules should exist is pretty irrelevant....they do exist and he is subject to them.

Laws are laws, and everyone knows the laws. Therefore the debate over sentencing someone to 50 years in prison for selling an oz of MJ is pretty irrelevant. The laws exist and we are subject to them.

[Note, this is an analogy. Draconian laws are bad.]

Sadly, my dynasty interest in Gordon died with Phenoms. My interest is now purely human. However, this rule is ridiculous where ever it occurs. Whether that be Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, or Matt Prater. These guys are all suspended because of drinking while not driving. And yet lassohole Jared Allen took 3 DUIs in a short time frame, but got only two games. he sure supports the troops, tho!

Copied and Pasted from Wiki:

Legal issues[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]Allen has been arrested/charged for DUI a total of three times. The first was in Pocatello, Idaho, on May 11, 2002. He was then arrested twice within five months inLeawood, Kansas, on May 11, 2006, and on September 26, 2006. He was sentenced to 48 hours in jail as a result of the latter arrest.[24]

In March 2007, Allen voiced his displeasure with the Chiefs' refusal to give him a long-term contract extension. No offers were made for Allen throughout free-agency due to the Chiefs' high tender for his trade (two first-round draft picks). On April 27, 2007, Allen was suspended for the first four games of the 2007 Chiefs' season, and he returned to the Chiefs saying he "will do everything [he] can to help bring a championship back to the great fans of KC."[25] On May 22, Allen signed a one-year contract worth $2.35 million, but was liable to forfeit $552,941 of his contract because of a four-game suspension for driving under the influence.[26] On July 16, Allen's suspension was reduced to two games following an appeal, and thus he forfeited $287,500 of his 2007 salary.[27]

Personal life[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]Allen is a Christian. Allen has spoken about his faith saying, "My Bible’s my playbook for life" and "My ultimate goal is when I die, for [Jesus] to say, ‘Welcome home [to Heaven], you good and faithful servant.’ That’s how I try to gear my life and focus on [Jesus]."[28]

WWJDUI?

Can you guys start to piss all over this guy, instead of Gordon? or are your issues focused on the black man? Allen did dumb stuff and no one pisses on his grave for the exact same (no, worse) offense and "throwing away a career" because back then it DIDN'T throw away a career. What about JFF? Everyone who has been within 50 yards of that guys knows he's a good old fashioned douchette.

Would Farve get suspended for a year for his drug addiction? (No.) Would a billionaire owner get suspended? (No.) Irsay got "6 games" (however, he maintained ownership during those 6 games and still pocketed the money from such ownership, so I guess that just means he couldn't go to the stadium for a month and a half.) That guy is an admitted drug addict. But you can't throw away a billionaire ownership interest, no matter how many Rx meds you pop and drive while drinking. You just can't. But he was born with privilege while Gordon was born with talent.

 

[Pots]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

regardless if you agree with the rules, they are the rules and he knew of the rules. the debate over whether or not those rules should exist is pretty irrelevant....they do exist and he is subject to them.

Laws are laws, and everyone knows the laws. Therefore the debate over sentencing someone to 50 years in prison for selling an oz of MJ is pretty irrelevant. The laws exist and we are subject to them.

[Note, this is an analogy. Draconian laws are bad.]

Sadly, my dynasty interest in Gordon died with Phenoms. My interest is now purely human. However, this rule is ridiculous where ever it occurs. Whether that be Josh Gordon, Justin Blackmon, or Matt Prater. These guys are all suspended because of drinking while not driving. And yet lassohole Jared Allen took 3 DUIs in a short time frame, but got only two games. he sure supports the troops, tho!

Copied and Pasted from Wiki:

Legal issues[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]Allen has been arrested/charged for DUI a total of three times. The first was in Pocatello, Idaho, on May 11, 2002. He was then arrested twice within five months inLeawood, Kansas, on May 11, 2006, and on September 26, 2006. He was sentenced to 48 hours in jail as a result of the latter arrest.[24]

In March 2007, Allen voiced his displeasure with the Chiefs' refusal to give him a long-term contract extension. No offers were made for Allen throughout free-agency due to the Chiefs' high tender for his trade (two first-round draft picks). On April 27, 2007, Allen was suspended for the first four games of the 2007 Chiefs' season, and he returned to the Chiefs saying he "will do everything [he] can to help bring a championship back to the great fans of KC."[25] On May 22, Allen signed a one-year contract worth $2.35 million, but was liable to forfeit $552,941 of his contract because of a four-game suspension for driving under the influence.[26] On July 16, Allen's suspension was reduced to two games following an appeal, and thus he forfeited $287,500 of his 2007 salary.[27]

Personal life[SIZE=small][edit][/SIZE]Allen is a Christian. Allen has spoken about his faith saying, "My Bible’s my playbook for life" and "My ultimate goal is when I die, for [Jesus] to say, ‘Welcome home [to Heaven], you good and faithful servant.’ That’s how I try to gear my life and focus on [Jesus]."[28]

WWJDUI?

Can you guys start to piss all over this guy, instead of Gordon? or are your issues focused on the black man?

So not only are you poor at making analogies, and not only defending a guy who has been given more opportunities to become a mega-millionaire and super star than everyone that has posted in this thread knows combined, but you want to somehow... in some messed up way... bring race into this?

 

[The Man With No Name]

You Gordon dynasty owners who will be holding have a year from now or his appeal denial to try and trade him for something, which likely will not be much

 

[treat88]

I just cannot see around the lenses of my own world paradigm enough to understand what in the blue hell is going on in this mans head.

Im at a total loss.

 

[ghostguy123]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

No. It means i prefer people to get disciplined when they actually do something wrong.

Like breaking an agreement that they signed off on?

As i said, you just arent understanding what i said.

 

[ghostguy123]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

This is the dumbest rule among a league of dumb rules. For people who say "well that's the rule he signed up for" - no he didnt. What kind of bargaining power do you think Gordon had when the CBA was negotiated? The answer is zero. The CBA was negotiated in 2011, and his first year was 2012. If he didn't agree with the rule, what's he supposed to do? Take his services to another league? There is no other option, other than playing in Canada. In fact I hope he has success there.

You jack###es love to come in here and poo on this guy but you had a beer this weekend and didn't lose your job for it. There is something inherently un-American about punishing someone for drinking alcohol when they are not driving.

But then again there is something inherently un-American about taxing the public to construct billion dollar stadiums to subsidize billionaire owners to earn billions of TV revenue for a non-profit organization paying its non-profit CEO $40 million annually.

I love football and I hate the NFL. F Gooddell, F Kraft, F Demaurice Smith. F these Narcs and their prohibitionist FBI goons pouring out booze in the streets. WE HAVE THE 21st AMENDMENT.

Pilots?Operators of heavy machinery?

Compares to a football player, sure.

Good post karma. Gordon is still a major idiot though

 

[Warhogs]

You Gordon dynasty owners who will be holding have a year from now or his appeal denial to try and trade him for something, which likely will not be much

Yet the guy is still only 23 years old. Since the leagues I own him in have 53 man rosters it looks like I will have to burn a roster spot instead of selling for nothing anyway. What a waste.

 

[towney]

Haven't gotten an answer to my question. Does he get any salary during his suspension? What does "tolling" his contract entail, I take it suspends his contract. If he is released what does this due contract salary wise to the Browns?

 

[KCitons]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

No. It means i prefer people to get disciplined when they actually do something wrong.

Like breaking an agreement that they signed off on?

As i said, you just arent understanding what i said.

As people point out the problems with your reasoning, you keep saying " you aren't understanding what I'm saying" Why don't you explain it to us in a way we can understand. Because the way I see it, you aren't understanding how things really work.

 

[ghostguy123]

I already did 50 times.

Gordon is an idiot.

The nfl substance rules as a whole are idiotic and severely over the top.

 

[KCitons]

I already did 50 times.

Gordon is an idiot.

The nfl substance rules as a whole are idiotic and severely over the top.

The rules are idiotic. Your solution is to let the players do whatever they want?

 

[georg013]

Ex-Gordon apologist here. I own him, had opportunities to move him but shot them down. I was willing to take the risk I said. No way he gets popped again I said. He would have to be a complete idiot to do anything now I said. Well, consider me convinced. This guy is beyond stupid. That being said, I won't sell low. That means I am stuck with him forever. He will remain on my IR (we can hold suspended players there). Anyone trying to go to bat for this fool runs the risk of looking crazy. There is no explanation for this level of stupid. Josh Gordon deserves to be suspended. Chances are he will never see the field again because he can't keep the head of a bottle or pipe out of his mouth long enough to come to his senses. Maybe if he was in prison...nah. I won't go there. Gordon is dead to me.

 

[cvnpoka]

I know this was discussed ad nauseam waaaaay up thread, but the inability to control one's urges, including substance addiction, has nothing to do with being dumb or not.

You're right, but you also have to be very dumb not to get help with your addiction when there's so much money on the line - and I don't mean a week at a posh 'rehab' clinic in Malibu.

our society's rehab is a complete farce. studies have proven time and time again that aa is no better than no treatment at all. and many believe, as logic would dictate, that aa is actually detrimental to quality of life given that it preaches lack of self control and empowerment.

and this whole situation illustrates our society's problem with substance abuse and consumption. gordon is not a criminal, nor is he necessarily dumb. why cant we live in a world where people are punished for committing actual violent, negligent, or devious acts? rather than having their livelihoods and freedom compromised for what they ingest?

Huh? Is this about Gordon? I mean his livelihood is being compromised because he made poor choices and was negligent. He was pulled over for a DUI. He chose to drink again and he got busted for it by the league. His negligence in the first place which put people's lives at risk is what has now put him in this situation.

his livelihood is being compromised bc he ingested a legal substance and a semi legal substance. he hasnt committed any crime or hurt anyone. he did the time for his dui, but ppl want to continue punishing him for it.

the unwavering support from ppl like you and the rest in this thread for draconian punishment of non-criminal acts is more detrimental to gordon than his ingestion of substances.

Semi-legal. That's a new one. It doesn't matter whether he hurt anyone or not. He still has broken the law multiple times and risked peoples lives (at least once). People like you choose to place blame elsewhere (ie my beliefs are more detrimental to Gordon than he is to himself...what a joke) rather than where it squarely lies which is on the individual for the choices they make. People need to just sack up and own their mistakes rather than cry about it and blame the system or other people.

how else would you describe the status of marijuana than semi legal? its been decriminalized in many states, legal medicinally in other states, and completely legal in 4 states.

anway, you maintain the guy has "made mistakes." i dont think hes done anything wrong, or at least done anything worthy of destroying his career.

 

[Touchdown There]

I think the reason we have Manziel comparisons here is not because of Cleveland, but because they both want to "live the life". Maybe Manziel learns from Gordon's lesson, maybe he is just not that good.

I doubt Gordon ever plays another down.

 

[cvnpoka]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

you are advocating penalizing ppl that dont break any laws. its completely absurd. should we start to administer truth serum and lie detector tests to ppl to ascertain if they intend to commit crimes? or how about a psychological exam to see if they even have the mentality and proclivity to commit crimes?

 

[cvnpoka]

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

As I posted above, at .08 BAC (legally drunk) it takes 5 hours for all of the alcohol to be out of your system. He did not test positive for having a glass of wine at dinner.

are you sure they tested for alcohol in his bloodstream? they may test for a metabolite that is created or elevated to process alcohol, or some other indicator, which stays in your system longer.

 

[MaxThreshold]

He's a moron but this alcohol testing policy is beyond dumb.

You mean the part about where he agreed to lay off the booze and agreed to be tested as part of his reinstatement, with the knowledge that testing >.06 would land him a year suspension?

Not sure what's dumb about it other than the fact that Gordon didn't follow terms of his agreement.

He HAD to sign it or he couldnt play. Doesnt mean the tersm arent dumb.

I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb.

He cant drink because he had the DUI. Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again.

BUt the fact that he signed an agreement doesnt mean teh agreement isn't ridiculous.

I think we finally peaked at insanity levels in this thread.

Wait until he potentially kills some one and then suspend him. So who cares less about him as a human being the NFL or some fan that doesn't want to see him suspended?

The insanity is the way you interpret my comments.

Didn't realize I should take "I would agree suspending guys for alcohol is pretty dumb. ...Maybe they should just suspend him if, ya know, he gets a DUI again." differently that you saying they should wait until he gets another DUI before suspending him. My bad I guess.

you are advocating penalizing ppl that dont break any laws. its completely absurd. should we start to administer truth serum and lie detector tests to ppl to ascertain if they intend to commit crimes? or how about a psychological exam to see if they even have the mentality and proclivity to commit crimes?

He broke the clearly defined "rules". We all follow rules in life - they don't have to be carved in stone and sanctioned by The State to give them validity. My employer sets rules. YOUR employer sets rules. My kids have to follow rules at school. There are rules when attending to a concert..and so on and so forth. I could go on forever with this but the point is there are ALWAYS rules to follow no matter where you go or what you do.

If you break the rules, you get penalized. Don't like the NFL rules? Then find another Football league to play in. The only person that is ruining Josh Gordon's life is Josh Gordon. There is no one else to blame here.

It's actually pretty simple. If you want to play "The Man is bringing me down" shtick, go ahead. But just don't expect others to believe you.

 

[cvnpoka]

If the NFL rules are so insanely strict... why is it that the majority (vast majority?) of players are able to follow them?

I am hoping that the vast majority of posters here blaming the NFL's oh-so-strict policies, as opposed to Flash in the Pan Gordon, are simply too young to realize that the NFL's rules are probably better than many employers they will work for over the course of their lifetime. See how many blue-chippers tolerate an employee (with no union backing him) for multiple occurrences of any kind.

the vast majority of nfl players are able to avoid getting put in the substance abuse program. its kinda hard to get in the program. you gotta really screw up. once in the program tho, these guys are screwed tho.

 

[cvnpoka]

i dont have gordon colored glasses. i have fairness colored glasses.

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

As I posted above, at .08 BAC (legally drunk) it takes 5 hours for all of the alcohol to be out of your system. He did not test positive for having a glass of wine at dinner.

are you sure they tested for alcohol in his bloodstream? they may test for a metabolite that is created or elevated to process alcohol, or some other indicator, which stays in your system longer.

here prater claims he only had a few beers which would indicate your notion that he needed to be very intoxicated is incorrect. ofc, prater could be full of sht.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/25/6062591/matt-prater-ray-rice-nfl-suspension-substance-abuse-policy

 

[JimmyJabroni]

i dont have gordon colored glasses. i have fairness colored glasses.

Crap I showed up to work today and there was a pee cup waiting. Forgot I had a glass of wine at dinner last night IN MY OWN HOME WHILE NOT DRIVING AND NOT AT WORK. Oh well, I guess I can't work for a year.

There is no one in this thread who is subject to that kind of crap. Even if you are a surgeon you can drink a glass of wine the day BEFORE so long as you aren't hungover or drunk for surgery.

As I posted above, at .08 BAC (legally drunk) it takes 5 hours for all of the alcohol to be out of your system. He did not test positive for having a glass of wine at dinner.

are you sure they tested for alcohol in his bloodstream? they may test for a metabolite that is created or elevated to process alcohol, or some other indicator, which stays in your system longer.

here prater claims he only had a few beers which would indicate your notion that he needed to be very intoxicated is incorrect. ofc, prater could be full of sht.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/25/6062591/matt-prater-ray-rice-nfl-suspension-substance-abuse-policy

I think he's full of it....

say here in the article

Alcohol metabolizes out of your body at a steady rate, at about one drink per hour. You have to be actively intoxicated to test positive. There are also tests which can detect the presence of alcohol in someone's body in the last few days, but the NFL's policy indicates they don't test for abstinence. Rather, they set the limit at .06 g/dl -- 3/4 of the typical legal limit for a DUI -- so unless Prater had agreed to some sort of additional no-alcohol policy, it seems unlikely they'd use those tests.

 

[KCitons]

Something else that people are forgetting - as fans, we don't know everything that occurred. The CBA protects players from the release of information. Maybe Gordon has a laundry list of things we don't even know about.

 

[Rimez]

he must have signed some sort if abstinence clause to have his suspension shortened this past season. a year ban for alcohol seems excessive from the outside but who knows how many chances he has been given that we never hear about. he was popped like 4 times for weed before he even entered the nfl.

btw, weed is legal in aspen so wonder what him and mr football were up to on their vacation since i dont see gordon being much of a skier.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Wow. Just read Adam Harstad's Twitter TL. I know he thinks he was being honest in an attempt to support Josh Gordon here, but wholly crap. Never seen narcissism so blatantly glorified in attempt to seem humble. And, I've never seen him make less sense. lesson: Twitter is a terrible format for stuff like this, no matter how smart you think you are.

 

[rockaction]

Wow. Just read Adam Harstad's Twitter TL. I know he thinks he was being honest in an attempt to support Josh Gordon here, but wholly crap. Never seen narcissism so blatantly glorified in attempt to seem humble. And, I've never seen him make less sense. lesson: Twitter is a terrible format for stuff like this, no matter how smart you think you are.

Eh, maybe kind words for both of them would be appropriate in this instance. It would appear that a public disclosure like that would indicate certain issues and dealing with an understanding of heritable talent and all that. Just a humble opinion and my

 

[Faust]

Barkley: 'Josh Gordon is gonna die if he keeps going on this road'

 

[ghostguy123]

I already did 50 times.

Gordon is an idiot.

The nfl substance rules as a whole are idiotic and severely over the top.

The rules are idiotic. Your solution is to let the players do whatever they want?

It's honestly incredibly odd that you go right to me thinking I want a lawless free for all, considering things I have said in this thread.

Might be the worst strawman ever.

 

[ghostguy123]

anway, you maintain the guy has "made mistakes." i dont think hes done anything wrong, or at least done anything worthy of destroying his career.

If he was a regular member of society with any one of 99% of the jobs out there, he would still have a job and likely have received no punishment. In the past year and a half he has passed more drug tests than everyone in my hospital has taken in their entire careers combined (not counting their hire date).

But, alas, he is an NFL employee. A league that has rules incredibly more strict than they need to be given that these guys play a sport. This isn't NASA, the White House, the NSA, brain surgeons...........

I will talk about this more when the time comes, but I bet down the road (maybe 20-30 years) you will see a shift in the pain medication the league prefers their players to use. I will bet they not only allow marijuana in the league, but will encourage it over the more harmful painkillers they allow right now. For another day (and another thread) though.

There is zero reason to test for weed. If you want to suspend them for weed or other drugs (not talking about stuff like crack, meth, heroin....), do so if they actually get caught with them by police, say they use them, show pictures of themselves using them, or one of the other possible ways to show the public you use them. This would punish the people stupid enough to make the league look bad, and not punish the guys who's names otherwise would never have even made it into the media for these drugs in the first place. If the league doesnt like negative attention with the drugs, then get rid of the policy that bring them more negative attention than they need to.

IF another one of you thinks this means I want a free for all, or that a free for all could even happen, wise up.

 

[ghostguy123]

you are advocating penalizing ppl that dont break any laws. its completely absurd. should we start to administer truth serum and lie detector tests to ppl to ascertain if they intend to commit crimes? or how about a psychological exam to see if they even have the mentality and proclivity to commit crimes?

Ever see "Minority Report"?? They could invent that

 

[ghostguy123]

He broke the clearly defined "rules". We all follow rules in life - they don't have to be carved in stone and sanctioned by The State to give them validity. My employer sets rules. YOUR employer sets rules. My kids have to follow rules at school. There are rules when attending to a concert..and so on and so forth. I could go on forever with this but the point is there are ALWAYS rules to follow no matter where you go or what you do.

If you break the rules, you get penalized. Don't like the NFL rules? Then find another Football league to play in. The only person that is ruining Josh Gordon's life is Josh Gordon. There is no one else to blame here.

It's actually pretty simple. If you want to play "The Man is bringing me down" shtick, go ahead. But just don't expect others to believe you.

Is anyone disagreeing with this???

Everyone is saying Gordon got the punishment he deserved based on the rules.

However, the rules are stupid. This is really really simple. They are two different conversations, not the one that you keep trying to turn it into.

If the league decided to ban eating at Burger King, and players started getting banned for eating there, you would be ok with that rule? Sure those players would be idiots for eating there, but the rule would be idiotic. Two different conversations.

 

[ghostguy123]

If the NFL rules are so insanely strict... why is it that the majority (vast majority?) of players are able to follow them?

Because a lot of the players are smarter than Gordon and better at decision making.

That still doesn't mean the rules make sense.

Back to the Burger King rule, if they made that rule the vast majority of guys would follow it. It;s still a stupid rule though.

It's also the way they enforce them, just crazy. These aren't secret service agents.

 

[ghostguy123]

You are letting your Gordon colored glasses cloud your view....The guy was insubordinate...people lose their job for this. You don't get to make the rules or determine if they are fair or not. Your choice is to work there and follow the rules or not work there. Gordon chose to work there, but not follow the rules. It is pretty simple...not sure why you think "if it is a crime or not" should matter

It matters in the context of the RULES discussion, and how they are absurd.

TWO..........CONVER.......SATIONS

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

About Burger King, actually for some players maybe nearly all with severe bmi, weight, & speed requirements, no actually they can't eat what they want. Even linemen can eat themselves out if the league, the scale & other measurements are their drug tests.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think he's full of it....

say here in the article

Alcohol metabolizes out of your body at a steady rate, at about one drink per hour. You have to be actively intoxicated to test positive. There are also tests which can detect the presence of alcohol in someone's body in the last few days, but the NFL's policy indicates they don't test for abstinence. Rather, they set the limit at .06 g/dl -- 3/4 of the typical legal limit for a DUI -- so unless Prater had agreed to some sort of additional no-alcohol policy, it seems unlikely they'd use those tests.

Another question. Why on Earth (unless mandated legally by the court system) would the NFL completely disallow some of the players (like Gordon/Blackmon) from drinking in the first place???

That is a totally absurd thing to have NFL players do. Totally absurd. That is just one part of the substance abuse program that is totally idiotic.

Forget that GOrdon/Prater broke those rules. They knew the rules and broke them. That's on them. That is conversation #1.

Conversation #2, WHY in HELL does that rule make any sense? And why would you possibly agree that rule is just fine and dandy for them to make?

 

[ghostguy123]

Something else that people are forgetting - as fans, we don't know everything that occurred. The CBA protects players from the release of information. Maybe Gordon has a laundry list of things we don't even know about.

could be true.

but some of the rules we do know about are dumb. So is Gordon. Both can be dumb.

 

[ghostguy123]

About Burger King, actually for some players maybe nearly all with severe bmi, weight, & speed requirements, no actually they can't eat what they want. Even linemen can eat themselves out if the league, the scale & other measurements are their drug tests.

I am pretty sure they can go eat there once, post in on youtube and twitter, maintain their contractually obligated weights, and not get suspended.

Yes, they can eat what they want. They would just likely have to work harder afterwards. WHo was it, Tory Holt or Isaac Bruce who used to eat whoppers before games???

However, I don't think contractual obligations some of these guys have are unfair at all. It does not restrict them from from anything to where they would get suspended for using it.