WR Josh Gordon, KC (9 Viewers)

[massraider]

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/684/morning-kickoff-browns-wide-receiver-josh-gordon-files-application-for-reinstatement-from-league-suspension

Morning Kickoff: Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon files application for reinstatement from league suspension

What a load of #### this is.

According to multiple FBG Sources, he's failed multiple tests along the way, that we wouldnt hear about until the offseason.

Why would he bother applying if he's failed so many tests? The guy just DOESN'T GET IT.

Gordon is your #3 WR and you think he's got another suspension waiting for him?

No, he was being facetious.

 

[massraider]

NFL must provide a response 60 days from official request, that's the rule. So, mid-to late March, it seems, at worst.

That's good, everyone will know while FA is happening, and before the draft.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

Does anybody know what his status becomes upon reinstatement ? Have read conflicting reports. Some stay he would be considered out of the drug program and thus would start over. Others indicate he would remain one strike away from permanent ban. Huge difference between the two, and wish the NFL was more transparent about the policy. This would have a huge bearing on how we value Gordon in fantasy.

 

[Bayhawks]

You can think Im fishing, all you like. It doesnt bother me one bit.

The kid made history during his season. Has shown to be completely QB proof. And is just unreal ON THE FIELD.

So, when he is ON THE FIELD, he is a top 3 WR for me. Like I mentioned, the top 10 could go in any order, everyone has a fair shot at #1.

If you are honestly telling me you believe Gordon cant finish as the #1 WR, maybe you're the one that's fishing.

I don't know if I'd have him top-3, but if he doesn't get suspended again, I'd have him in my top-10, but the bolded is incorrect. He hasn't shown himself to be completely QB proof. During his 5 game 2014 season, (with crap QBs), he put up crap WR numbers. 51% catch rate, 12.6 YPC, 0 TDs, 303 yards. Over a season, that translate to 77 catches, 970 yards, 0 TDs. That ain't TD proof.

 

[steelers1080]

Also, when he was playing in 2014, he didn't look dominant. He frequently made incorrect reads on the field causing his QB to throw into empty space, or space occupied by a CB/S.

People also reported that he wasn't seriously studying the playbook in his time off.

I really hope (as a Flash supporter/dynasty owner) that he has spent his time not only working out, but also studying the fundamentals of the WR position and how to respond to different coverages.

 

[Soulfly3]

in 2014, he had NO offseason, and couldnt train w the team in ANY fashion whatsoever.

He basically got reinstated and got thrown on the field near the end of the season

You know that TRULY has to be taken into account

 

[Chaka]

in 2014, he had NO offseason, and couldnt train w the team in ANY fashion whatsoever.

He basically got reinstated and got thrown on the field near the end of the season

You know that TRULY has to be taken into account

I tend to agree with this. IIRC at the time suspended players were not allowed at team facilities and they changed that rule this offseason. I forget if he missed all of the offseason program and training camp but just missing 10 games worth of practice and film study likely contributed in a big way to his disappointing 2014. If he missed TC and the offseason program that only made it worse.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

in 2014, he had NO offseason, and couldnt train w the team in ANY fashion whatsoever.

He basically got reinstated and got thrown on the field near the end of the season

You know that TRULY has to be taken into account

I tend to agree with this. IIRC at the time suspended players were not allowed at team facilities and they changed that rule this offseason. I forget if he missed all of the offseason program and training camp but just missing 10 games worth of practice and film study likely contributed in a big way to his disappointing 2014. If he missed TC and the offseason program that only made it worse.

And 'shocker', the Browns had a coaching change so he went from Norv Turner's vertical-stretch deep route system to Kyle Shanahan's offense that is built off the run game. He wasn't familiar with the system and Hoyer tried forcing the ball to him however Josh was not on the same page so it created turnovers. The QBs lost confidence in him as did the coaching staff.

Josh is not a quick study. He has incredible athletic skill but when he was a rookie he was running a very limited route tree. He blew up in his second year after building on what he learned as a rookie after starting out the year serving a two-game suspension. That year he went through camp, etc.

In 2014 he missed everything and came back to the team late in the season. Once the QBs and coaching staff checked out on him, he lost interest and got suspended by the team for the final when he was out partying with Johnny and missed a meeting. Then he got nailed for being .01 over the limit when they tested him coming off of a flight where alcohol was served.

Since December of 2014, nothing.

I think he's clean and will get re-instated.

 

[football fan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000625769/article/josh-gordon-applies-for-reinstatement-to-nfl

Josh Gordon applies for reinstatement to NFL

From NFL.com

 

[Loan Sharks]

Blaming others for his rising price is no one fault but your own.

Shouldve been buying months and months ago

Last off season I gave a future 2nd for him, and held him all year as my 20th rostered player. Are you proud of me?

I applaud anyone who can commit grand larceny in broad daylight

I picked him up for $1 in an auction dynasty league about week 7 and held him.

lol I had to pick up someone and you already had picked up that stud Duron Carter lol.

 

[Soulfly3]

@JOSH_GORDONXII 32s32 seconds ago
All black..One gun man..John Wick.. Translation: I'm having a great day..

 

[scothawk]

Does anybody know what his status becomes upon reinstatement ? Have read conflicting reports. Some stay he would be considered out of the drug program and thus would start over. Others indicate he would remain one strike away from permanent ban. Huge difference between the two, and wish the NFL was more transparent about the policy. This would have a huge bearing on how we value Gordon in fantasy.

How could it ever be a clean slate?

 

[Hankmoody]

Does anybody know what his status becomes upon reinstatement ? Have read conflicting reports. Some stay he would be considered out of the drug program and thus would start over. Others indicate he would remain one strike away from permanent ban. Huge difference between the two, and wish the NFL was more transparent about the policy. This would have a huge bearing on how we value Gordon in fantasy.

How could it ever be a clean slate?

2 years clean

Miller’s exit from the program is one of the new wrinkles of the substance-abuse policy as revised in 2014. Previously, a player who landed in Stage 3 of the program remained there for the rest of his career. Now, the player has a path not only out of Stage 3 but also out of the program entirely, if he avoids any violation for 24 months.

No clue if Gordon gets credit for whatever past testing, if any, he's undergone since the suspension, but gun to my head I'd say no, he's starting clean if he's reinstated.

 

[mnmplayer]

The naysayers and rivals have a point. This guy fell hard on his own accord ... has no one to blame but himself ...

... but ...

It's a story we all know so well. Rising up, he's back on the streets, did his time took his chances. He went the distance, but he's back on his feet, just a man that has shown the will to survive. So many times, it happens too fast, you trade your passion for glory, but if he doesn't lose his grip on his dreams of the past and has a will to survive and fights just to keep them alive ... I have no doubt he will be redeemed, just like Balboa. If he stay's hungry. he will rise to the challenge of his rivals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27F46WPVJBs

 

[amnesiac]

in 2014, he had NO offseason, and couldnt train w the team in ANY fashion whatsoever.

He basically got reinstated and got thrown on the field near the end of the season

You know that TRULY has to be taken into account

I tend to agree with this. IIRC at the time suspended players were not allowed at team facilities and they changed that rule this offseason. I forget if he missed all of the offseason program and training camp but just missing 10 games worth of practice and film study likely contributed in a big way to his disappointing 2014. If he missed TC and the offseason program that only made it worse.

And 'shocker', the Browns had a coaching change so he went from Norv Turner's vertical-stretch deep route system to Kyle Shanahan's offense that is built off the run game. He wasn't familiar with the system and Hoyer tried forcing the ball to him however Josh was not on the same page so it created turnovers. The QBs lost confidence in him as did the coaching staff. Josh is not a quick study. He has incredible athletic skill but when he was a rookie he was running a very limited route tree. He blew up in his second year after building on what he learned as a rookie after starting out the year serving a two-game suspension. That year he went through camp, etc.

In 2014 he missed everything and came back to the team late in the season. Once the QBs and coaching staff checked out on him, he lost interest and got suspended by the team for the final when he was out partying with Johnny and missed a meeting. Then he got nailed for being .01 over the limit when they tested him coming off of a flight where alcohol was served.

Since December of 2014, nothing.

I think he's clean and will get re-instated.

you're spot on regarding going from Turner to Shannahan. Shannahan was a terrible fit for the players the Browns had. they were thriving under Turner.

 

[grateful zed]

SWC.....for some odd reason my wife loves when I read your posts out loud to her.

can size?

 

[Sebowski]

3rd camp is lonely. Only me and a few other reasonable souls.

Barely enough people to occupy a bird sanctuary.

I don't think so. I think camp 3 is 80% of people. The other 20% are just a lot more vocal.

 

[onionsack]

Gordon is gonna another shot. Er...

 

[ghostguy123]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

 

[Sebowski]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

All in for this coming year? Nelson. Trying to build something elite while still competing? Gordon.

 

[georg013]

Gordon. Easy.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

LINK to pod where Albert Breer says that he thinks JG gets reinstated.

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http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2016/01/20/albert-breer-says-i-would-think-that-josh-gordon-will-be-reinstated-probably-on-some-sort-of-conditional-basis-top-draft-qb-very-debatable/

Albert Breer Says “I Would Think That Josh Gordon Will Be ReinstatedAlbert Breer of the NFL Network joined Bull & Fox to talk about Josh Gordon’s application for reinstatement back to the NFL, how productive Gordon can be after a year off

 

[Soulfly3]

If he's clean, he's getting reinstated.

It's not really a discussion.

 

[menobrown]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

Gordon. Addiction can be beat easier than Father Time.

 

[Soulfly3]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

Gordon. Addiction can be beat easier than Father Time.

Yup.

Plus, you can argue Gordon isn't "football fit" all you want... Which I guarantee you he is.

But Nelson is coming off a knee explosion.

So it's a scratch there as well

 

[Sebowski]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

Gordon. Addiction can be beat easier than Father Time.

Yup.

Plus, you can argue Gordon isn't "football fit" all you want... Which I guarantee you he is.

But Nelson is coming off a knee explosion.

So it's a scratch there as well

So you're saying it is literally impossible for Jordy to outscore Gordon next year!? Yeah, ok.

 

[Soulfly3]

What?

 

[Chaka]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

Gordon. Addiction can be beat easier than Father Time.

Yup.

Plus, you can argue Gordon isn't "football fit" all you want... Which I guarantee you he is.

But Nelson is coming off a knee explosion.

So it's a scratch there as well

So you're saying it is literally impossible for Jordy to outscore Gordon next year!? Yeah, ok.

He did?

 

[mnmplayer]

So who do you guys take right now in a PPR dynasty, assuming your team is a good team and should compete:

Josh Gordon

or

Jordy Nelson

Gordon. Addiction can be beat easier than Father Time.

Yup.

Plus, you can argue Gordon isn't "football fit" all you want... Which I guarantee you he is.

But Nelson is coming off a knee explosion.

So it's a scratch there as well

So you're saying it is literally impossible for Jordy to outscore Gordon next year!? Yeah, ok.

Damnit. This thread is completely useless now isn't it?

 

[Sebowski]

just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'll gladly make a wager come Septemebr that Gordon outproduces Nelson tho.

PPR or Standard. Dont care

 

[Chaka]

just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

You are?

 

[Soulfly3]

just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

You are?

Ya, I dunno... I just left it alone

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said Josh Gordon (suspended) "could be back" with the team if he is reinstated.

The "could be back" is interesting. With little offensive talent on the roster, Cleveland should be welcoming Gordon back with open arms once he is reinstated. Gordon posted an 87/1646/9 line in his last full season in the league. Travis Benjamin had a good season, but the gap between him and Gordon is massive and Benjamin is slated for unrestricted free agency.

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

Jan 21 - 1:07 PM

 

[Gandalf]

Rotoworld:

Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said Josh Gordon (suspended) "could be back" with the team if he is reinstated.

The "could be back" is interesting. With little offensive talent on the roster, Cleveland should be welcoming Gordon back with open arms once he is reinstated. Gordon posted an 87/1646/9 line in his last full season in the league. Travis Benjamin had a good season, but the gap between him and Gordon is massive and Benjamin is slated for unrestricted free agency.

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

Jan 21 - 1:07 PM

What's another word other than 'interesting' to describe this? Ominous? Could be trying to motivate him but seems like he is motivated. I dunno. Makes me worried about his future this year. Is he still in the Cleveland doghouse?

 

[massraider]

Rotoworld:

Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said Josh Gordon (suspended) "could be back" with the team if he is reinstated.

The "could be back" is interesting. With little offensive talent on the roster, Cleveland should be welcoming Gordon back with open arms once he is reinstated. Gordon posted an 87/1646/9 line in his last full season in the league. Travis Benjamin had a good season, but the gap between him and Gordon is massive and Benjamin is slated for unrestricted free agency.

Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

Jan 21 - 1:07 PM

What's another word other than 'interesting' to describe this? Ominous? Could be trying to motivate him but seems like he is motivated. I dunno. Makes me worried about his future this year. Is he still in the Cleveland doghouse?

Meh. Really, any player that has let his team down for two years running should probably not get a welcome parade thrown upon his return. I think two things:

1. It was a non-committal answer, and Sashi is being Belichick-ian. It's also self-protection. If he says, 'OMG, we gonna give this guy 250 targets this year!!!!', and Gordon gets photographed doing rails of a stripper with Johnny Football, he doesn't have to answer questions about who is getting all those targets. He can say, 'this team was always proceeding as if Josh wasn't going to be here, so nothing changes for us'. There's no benefit to him saying how badly they need Gordon back.

2. How concerned are you, really, that he might be in the Browns doghouse? What's the concern, Cleveland's going to trade him to a different NFL team? Josh is going to lose his sweet perch in the Cleveland passing game? I'm not gonna lose any sleep.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, was he asked "could he be back?".

Seems silly to read anything into that at all. He stated a fact, and the wording was probably a direct correlation to the wording of the question he was asked.

Golly gee I love media snippets

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not certain on this, but I think it's 99.9% safe to say that a player is 100% within his legal right to see the results of his piss test, every time he takes one.

They're HIS medical records. So... if he failed a test, I'm 100% confident he and his agent already know.

I know that Gordon has shown multiple times that he's an idiot, but I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know if he's smoking marijuana or not. So if he gets called for a random drug test shortly afterwards, he has a failed test. The tests are random. The results aren't.

 

[Chaka]

I'm not certain on this, but I think it's 99.9% safe to say that a player is 100% within his legal right to see the results of his piss test, every time he takes one.

They're HIS medical records. So... if he failed a test, I'm 100% confident he and his agent already know.

I know that Gordon has shown multiple times that he's an idiot, but I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know if he's smoking marijuana or not. So if he gets called for a random drug test shortly afterwards, he has a failed test. The tests are random. The results aren't.

Actually the results can be.

Tainted or mixed up samples and procedural errors are far more common than many realize.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm not certain on this, but I think it's 99.9% safe to say that a player is 100% within his legal right to see the results of his piss test, every time he takes one.

They're HIS medical records. So... if he failed a test, I'm 100% confident he and his agent already know.

I know that Gordon has shown multiple times that he's an idiot, but I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know if he's smoking marijuana or not. So if he gets called for a random drug test shortly afterwards, he has a failed test. The tests are random. The results aren't.

Actually the results can be.

Tainted or mixed up samples and procedural errors are far more common than many realize.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

Like last test, when one test was over and one was under? From the same piss sample?

Unreal.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'm not certain on this, but I think it's 99.9% safe to say that a player is 100% within his legal right to see the results of his piss test, every time he takes one.

They're HIS medical records. So... if he failed a test, I'm 100% confident he and his agent already know.

I know that Gordon has shown multiple times that he's an idiot, but I'm pretty sure he's smart enough to know if he's smoking marijuana or not. So if he gets called for a random drug test shortly afterwards, he has a failed test. The tests are random. The results aren't.

Actually the results can be.

Tainted or mixed up samples and procedural errors are far more common than many realize.

I think we can all confidently say that if Gordon pissses another hot sample, it's because he screwed up again.

 

[Soulfly3]

Check out THIS exchage lol

@JOSH_GORDONXII
I just wanna play ball..
‏@stephenasmith
I wish @JOSH_GORDONXII nothing but the best but he has a problem. I hope he's been getting some help.

@CRO31
@stephenasmith @JOSH_GORDONXII he will get back and finish on top. When it's all said and done.

.... and Gordon Retweets Cromartie's response.

Smith is such a ########....Glad Cromartie called him out.

 

[JuniorNB]

Check out THIS exchage lol

@JOSH_GORDONXII
I just wanna play ball..
‏@stephenasmith
I wish @JOSH_GORDONXII nothing but the best but he has a problem. I hope he's been getting some help.

@CRO31
@stephenasmith @JOSH_GORDONXII he will get back and finish on top. When it's all said and done.

.... and Gordon Retweets Cromartie's response.

Smith is such a ########....Glad Cromartie called him out.

Yeah, how dare Smith say he wishes an alcoholic and drug addict gets help.

 

[Soulfly3]

Yeah, how dare Smith say he wishes an alcoholic and drug addict gets help.

As opposed to maybe acknowledging he HAS been getting help?

Again, I dont get what's so hard for you guys to understand he has pissed clean for TWO YEARS.

He's obviously been doing something right.

Also, alcoholic? Jesus christ...

 

[bostonfred]

I'll take Nelson over Gordon by a lot, redraft or dynasty. Nelson should have several years left of high end production. Gordon is younger, but that doesn't mean he has more years left. He might never play again. He might play this year, get millions when he's up for free agency next summer and go on a bender to celebrate. Can he play more years than Nelson? Sure. But you gave to discount some of those years, so it's not the huge advantage you'd expect.

Nelson had several years of stud production, but will be a year removed when he comes back. Gordon has one, and will be three years removed when he comes back. Guys like Braylon Edwards, Brandon Lloyd, Michael Clayton, that other Tampa guy, that other other Tampa guy - lots of guys have career years then drop off the map.

The Packers learned this year that Nelson is the straw that stirs their drink. He's the main man for one of the great qbs in NFL history. When Gordon came back he was supposed to be the number one guy but wasn't. There were definitely extenuating circumstances, but the fact is that his talent alone wasn't enough for him to instantly dominate, which means we need to see if he puts in the effort that an elite player needs to put in when he hasn't done that in three years. It's not like he's surrounded by role models in Cleveland. Will he put in the effort it takes to become elite?

Jordy stays in the same offense with the same coaching and same qb, all among the best in the game. Gordon went from a vertical offense to Hue Jackson's run heavy offense, we still don't know who the qb will be, and we don't know how Gordon will fit.

There's risk with both. No doubt. And everyone loves young players with upside. Long run I still think Jordy is the much better play.

 

[JuniorNB]

Yeah, how dare Smith say he wishes an alcoholic and drug addict gets help.

As opposed to maybe acknowledging he HAS been getting help?

Again, I dont get what's so hard for you guys to understand he has pissed clean for TWO YEARS.

He's obviously been doing something right.

Also, alcoholic? Jesus christ...

Yeah, I'd say that anyone who puts alcohol above his career, is an alcoholic. He already had three strikes when he chose to drink last time. I know you have an uncomfortable mancrush on Gordon, but to suggest that the guy doesn't have a problem is just ridiculous.

 

[Soulfly3]

No, I just see the difference between has and had.

 

[thehornet]

Yeah, how dare Smith say he wishes an alcoholic and drug addict gets help.

As opposed to maybe acknowledging he HAS been getting help?

Again, I dont get what's so hard for you guys to understand he has pissed clean for TWO YEARS.

He's obviously been doing something right.

Also, alcoholic? Jesus christ...

Yeah, I'd say that anyone who puts alcohol above his career, is an alcoholic. He already had three strikes when he chose to drink last time. I know you have an uncomfortable mancrush on Gordon, but to suggest that the guy doesn't have a problem is just ridiculous.

Sure he's got an issue with some substances (I don know what) but he's also a really young dude and has acted immature. Most people do grow up eventually. Let's hope that gordon gets it now and not when it's too late. Otherwise everyone misses out on some great football.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Yeah, how dare Smith say he wishes an alcoholic and drug addict gets help.

As opposed to maybe acknowledging he HAS been getting help?

Again, I dont get what's so hard for you guys to understand he has pissed clean for TWO YEARS.

He's obviously been doing something right.

Also, alcoholic? Jesus christ...

Yeah, I'd say that anyone who puts alcohol above his career, is an alcoholic. He already had three strikes when he chose to drink last time. I know you have an uncomfortable mancrush on Gordon, but to suggest that the guy doesn't have a problem is just ridiculous.

I (literally) don't know if Gordon's an alcoholic or drug addict - but do you actually know the circumstances surrounding this last suspension?

 

[SWC]

I'll take Nelson over Gordon by a lot, redraft or dynasty. Nelson should have several years left of high end production. Gordon is younger, but that doesn't mean he has more years left. He might never play again. He might play this year, get millions when he's up for free agency next summer and go on a bender to celebrate. Can he play more years than Nelson? Sure. But you gave to discount some of those years, so it's not the huge advantage you'd expect.

Nelson had several years of stud production, but will be a year removed when he comes back. Gordon has one, and will be three years removed when he comes back. Guys like Braylon Edwards, Brandon Lloyd, Michael Clayton, that other Tampa guy, that other other Tampa guy - lots of guys have career years then drop off the map.

The Packers learned this year that Nelson is the straw that stirs their drink. He's the main man for one of the great qbs in NFL history. When Gordon came back he was supposed to be the number one guy but wasn't. There were definitely extenuating circumstances, but the fact is that his talent alone wasn't enough for him to instantly dominate, which means we need to see if he puts in the effort that an elite player needs to put in when he hasn't done that in three years. It's not like he's surrounded by role models in Cleveland. Will he put in the effort it takes to become elite?

Jordy stays in the same offense with the same coaching and same qb, all among the best in the game. Gordon went from a vertical offense to Hue Jackson's run heavy offense, we still don't know who the qb will be, and we don't know how Gordon will fit.

There's risk with both. No doubt. And everyone loves young players with upside. Long run I still think Jordy is the much better play.

what if the packers can trade someone to cle for gordon and he gets reinstated and has 19 tds from rogets thesaurus next year then what would you say about his prospects in cleveland brohan thanks i will hang up and listen take that to the bank