WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

[whiskey7]

These kinds of people dont win fantasy leagues ^, too pessimistic to buy into the next best talent. They are reactionary, not preliminary. They never got OBJ, David Johsnon, Josh Gordon the years they went off because they liked their 3rd string Jets WR better at the time. 

Who do you want to be? #wearit 

As a matter of fact, I drafted Gordon his rookie season because I believed in the talent and that it outweighed the risk. Rode him to a championship the next year. Like I said, he was money. I have seen enough since then to know I have seen enough.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

These kinds of people dont win fantasy leagues ^, too pessimistic to buy into the next best talent. They are reactionary, not preliminary. They never got OBJ, David Johsnon, Josh Gordon the years they went off because they liked their 3rd string Jets WR better at the time. 

Who do you want to be? #wearit 

I think that's a bit of a stretch. 

There's a difference between healthy pessimism about a guy who's played 20% of the games he could have played in 3 years, and being a loser who drafts 3rd string Jets receivers.

We're not talking about good citizen players who may have had some risk coming into the league. I know plenty of people who drafted Bell knowing he was suspended last year. I know plenty who are big believers in OBD and happily took him at the injury discount. 

But this ain't that. This is a highly volatile situation where even if every single thing breaks right, Goodell reverses his "indefinite ban", the Browns find a willing trade partner, and Gordon is still at his 2013 level of play, he could still get booted from the game with a single transgression of any sort. 

That is not an awesome gamble. Some of us are in leagues with shallow bench depth. Other good ways to lose include not being able to cover a BYE and having boat anchor players clogging up valuable bench spots where team depth could be bolstered. Or heck, where better bet lottery tickets might be stashed. 

Josh Gordon, for all his talent, is a pretty long odds bet. Like all long odds bets, the payoff could be massive. That's why the casinos sell way more 6-7-8-9 game parlays than they do 2-3 game parlays. And the house loves every penny of it because they so rarely pay off.

Doesn't seem like good reason to put the guy down. We've all got our opinions on this. Not wanting Gordon doesn't automatically make you a terrible FFB player destined to pick and start terrible players on terrible teams.  

These are all just opinions. Time will tell who's right or wrong. Some of us are just less risk averse than others. I took a chance on Gordon last year and lost. I wish those taking a chance on him this year good luck. 

(and dammit, Jeremy Kerley is going to win me my league! Just you watch!)

 

[habsfan]

These kinds of people dont win fantasy leagues ^, too pessimistic to buy into the next best talent. They are reactionary, not preliminary. They never got OBJ, David Johsnon, Josh Gordon the years they went off because they liked their 3rd string Jets WR better at the time. 

Who do you want to be? #wearit 

I want to be someone who sees the difference between OBJ, Johnson, 2013 Gordon and 2017 Gordon. For starters, the first three were actually playing football before they "went off"...

 

[ImTheScientist]

Grabbed me Gordon in one league. Lets GO!

 

[Saboo]

Play it out, if the rumors (I’m not even sure where these rumors come from) are true Gordon will be re-instated on 9-21

1st question - Will the Browns even want him back on their roster given their difficult history with the player?  If you believe this story http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Browns-would-welcome-Josh-Gordon-back-to-the-team-43932658 they would want to keep him and why not? Granted Gordon is a troubled man, but he is an ELITE talent when he is right. If it doesn’t work out what have they lost? Beyond that and possibly more importantly, he would be playing at a very reasonable rate.

2nd Question - Is he in shape and motivated? From some pics that have been circulating on the net, https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/27/15076622/josh-gordon-appears-to-be-in-extraordinary-shape it looks like he is in GREAT physical shape.

Mentally/emotionally there is absolutely no way the average fan/fantasy player can know what he is thinking/feeling. His friend Tim Montgomery claims (take it for what it’s worth) that Gordon finally has his head on straight. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20692312/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-rehab-soon-hopes-return  Here is his quote "From what I've seen, he's in a different place than what he was six, seven months ago,'' Montgomery told the website. "He's come a long, long way from when we first started working together.’’

I don't know Josh Gordon, but if he has any sense at all he will realize that if he is re-insated this will be his last chance. It would be enough to motivate me to take this last chance seriously and come back with something to prove. 

3rd Question - Assuming the Browns want him back and he is motivated to be back, how long will it take him to get up to speed and be a true contributor? From a fantasy perspective this may be the biggest issue facing people stashing Gordon. My best guess is that if Gordon is taken back by the Browns it will take him a minimum of three weeks to come in and get familiar with the system/coaches/new qb etc. 

In my humble opinion IF these rumors are true (I think there may be something to this) I think it’s likely Gordon returns to the field around week seven. He would be walking into a situation where he could contribute right away as it seems Kenny Britt is already in the dog house http://today.news.ielanguages.com/latest/corey-coleman-kenny-britt-already-in-doghouse and is obviously not in the same league (nor is anyone who would replace Britt) as Gordon talent wise.

My plan of of attack with Gordon is the following...I preemptively grabbed him off the ww a few days back. I plan on holding him for exactly one week to see if he is actually re-instated...If the rumors are true and he is allowed to return (I don’t see why not. He didn’t kill anyone nor was he involved in a serious domestic issue...The kid smoked pot. What’s the big deal? People are currently playing in the NFL who have done a lot worse) you could have an absolute steal off the ww that wins your season for you...If nothing comes of this as of next week I am simply going to drop him and accept that I was a victim of some internet hype...I think Gordon’s potential massive upside is worth one last roll of the dice. I plan on dropping some mediocre bench player (who you could most likely replace with an equally valuable player next week) or a handcuff taking up a roster spot for the week.

I could be wrong (I usually am) but I think Josh Gordon is coming back sooner rather than later.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/12/josh-gordon-due-to-complete-90-day-rehab-stint-next-week/ 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Play it out, if the rumors (I’m not even sure where these rumors come from) are true Gordon will be re-instated on 9-21

1st question - Will the Browns even want him back on their roster given their difficult history with the player?  If you believe this story http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Browns-would-welcome-Josh-Gordon-back-to-the-team-43932658 they would want to keep him and why not? Granted Gordon is a troubled man, but he is an ELITE talent when he is right. If it doesn’t work out what have they lost? Beyond that and possibly more importantly, he would be playing at a very reasonable rate.

2nd Question - Is he in shape and motivated? From some pics that have been circulating on the net, https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/27/15076622/josh-gordon-appears-to-be-in-extraordinary-shape it looks like he is in GREAT physical shape.

Mentally/emotionally there is absolutely no way the average fan/fantasy player can know what he is thinking/feeling. His friend Tim Montgomery claims (take it for what it’s worth) that Gordon finally has his head on straight. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20692312/josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-rehab-soon-hopes-return  Here is his quote "From what I've seen, he's in a different place than what he was six, seven months ago,'' Montgomery told the website. "He's come a long, long way from when we first started working together.’’

I don't know Josh Gordon, but if he has any sense at all he will realize that if he is re-insated this will be his last chance. It would be enough to motivate me to take this last chance seriously and come back with something to prove. 

3rd Question - Assuming the Browns want him back and he is motivated to be back, how long will it take him to get up to speed and be a true contributor? From a fantasy perspective this may be the biggest issue facing people stashing Gordon. My best guess is that if Gordon is taken back by the Browns it will take him a minimum of three weeks to come in and get familiar with the system/coaches/new qb etc. 

In my humble opinion IF these rumors are true (I think there may be something to this) I think it’s likely Gordon returns to the field around week seven. He would be walking into a situation where he could contribute right away as it seems Kenny Britt is already in the dog house http://today.news.ielanguages.com/latest/corey-coleman-kenny-britt-already-in-doghouse and is obviously not in the same league (nor is anyone who would replace Britt) as Gordon talent wise.

My plan of of attack with Gordon is the following...I preemptively grabbed him off the ww a few days back. I plan on holding him for exactly one week to see if he is actually re-instated...If the rumors are true and he is allowed to return (I don’t see why not. He didn’t kill anyone nor was he involved in a serious domestic issue...The kid smoked pot. What’s the big deal? People are currently playing in the NFL who have done a lot worse) you could have an absolute steal off the ww that wins your season for you...If nothing comes of this as of next week I am simply going to drop him and accept that I was a victim of some internet hype...I think Gordon’s potential massive upside is worth one last roll of the dice. I plan on dropping some mediocre bench player (who you could most likely replace with an equally valuable player next week) or a handcuff taking up a roster spot for the week.

I could be wrong (I usually am) but I think Josh Gordon is coming back sooner rather than later.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/09/12/josh-gordon-due-to-complete-90-day-rehab-stint-next-week/ 

You started with question #2 and completely skipped the biggest question:

1. Will Roger Goodell lift his "indefinite" ban, issued in response to Gordon failing a test just prior to being reinstated last year.

That, and that alone is the single biggest determining factor in whether Gordon is going to lend value to the Browns, or to FFB rosters. 

All the talent in the world won't get you on the field if you're suspended. Just ask Tom Brady. 

IMO nothing else matters as much as Goodell reversing his position. Something he's not exactly known for. Indefinite could mean "until Gordon proves himself to Goodell" or it could mean "years". 

And no one knows but Goodell. I see no reason for optimism or estimation of time-frame of return unless and until Goodell indicates he'll lift the suspension. 

ETA: and no, Gordon didn't kill anyone. But he is a multiple-time repeat offender. At some point it becomes less about what he actually did, and more about the fact that he kept doing it to his own, and his team's detriment.  That seemingly continues to be brushed over as though it weren't relevant. IMO it's the most relevant factor as to whether Goodell lifts the ban.

 

[Saboo]

You started with question #2 and completely skipped the biggest question:

1. Will Roger Goodell lift his "indefinite" ban, issued in response to Gordon failing a test just prior to being reinstated last year.

That, and that alone is the single biggest determining factor in whether Gordon is going to lend value to the Browns, or to FFB rosters. 

All the talent in the world won't get you on the field if you're suspended. Just ask Tom Brady. 

IMO nothing else matters as much as Goodell reversing his position. Something he's not exactly known for. Indefinite could mean "until Gordon proves himself to Goodell" or it could mean "years". 

And no one knows but Goodell. I see no reason for optimism or estimation of time-frame of return unless and until Goodell indicates he'll lift the suspension. 

ETA: and no, Gordon didn't kill anyone. But he is a multiple-time repeat offender. At some point it becomes less about what he actually did, and more about the fact that he kept doing it to his own, and his team's detriment.  That seemingly continues to be brushed over as though it weren't relevant. IMO it's the most relevant factor as to whether Goodell lifts the ban.

You are correct. I was just going with the assumption that the rumor of Gordon being re-instated is true and playing it out from there. You are also correct in saying that Roger Goodell is Gordon’s biggest obstacle. I still think he’s worth a roll of the dice for a single week.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You are correct. I was just going with the assumption that the rumor of Gordon being re-instated is true and playing it out from there. You are also correct in saying that Roger Goodell is Gordon’s biggest obstacle. I still think he’s worth a roll of the dice for a single week.

It always drags out longer than a week.  It's like the mafia… You think you're out... but then he pulls you right back in. 

Judt ask @Soulfly3

 

[msudaisy26]

It always drags out longer than a week.  It's like the mafia… You think you're out... but then he pulls you right back in. 

Judt ask @Soulfly3

Soulfly was never out  when it came to Gordon. 

 

[Fever in the Funkhouse]

Josh Gordon ownership in Yahoo leagues now at 6%, up from 3% last week. Wonder what the % will get to come Sept 21st. 

 

[xrayveggin]

My draft ended up with WR strength (Jordy, Tyreek, and Golden), and I drafted Gordon late hoping he'd be eligible for a return in the first half of the season, maybe helping me with depth in bye weeks and up to dominating Josh of 2013 by the playoffs. If there's not an absolute timeline for a return by week 6, I'll be done with him. If I didn't have a strong WR1-3, I would not be committed to keeping him around for 6 weeks of uncertainty, but I'd still pick him up for next to nothing and hold him through this week and next to see if he's reinstated.

 

[Bernie51]

Anyone concerned with the dropoff in his numbers in 2014? This was during my hiatus, so I didn't follow back then. Sounds like it was due to him not knowing the playbook, but wasn't sure. 

Just wondering if he's more he's capable of producing his 2013 numbers or his 2014 numbers. (and that's if all the other dominoes fall in place for him to actually be on the field)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyone concerned with the dropoff in his numbers in 2014? This was during my hiatus, so I didn't follow back then. Sounds like it was due to him not knowing the playbook, but wasn't sure. 

Just wondering if he's more he's capable of producing his 2013 numbers or his 2014 numbers. (and that's if all the other dominoes fall in place for him to actually be on the field)

That's certainly another concern. 

Wherever he ends up, (if he's reinstated) there's likely to be a learning curve. 

While he can likely still streak down the field with the best of them, there's more to a modern NFL offense than 3 flies up. 

Definitely will have to learn plays, terminology, and even develop rhythm with the starting QB. 

 

[greyhorse]

My plan of of attack with Gordon is the following...I preemptively grabbed him off the ww a few days back. I plan on holding him for exactly one week to see if he is actually re-instated...If the rumors are true and he is allowed to return (I don’t see why not. He didn’t kill anyone nor was he involved in a serious domestic issue...The kid smoked pot. What’s the big deal? People are currently playing in the NFL who have done a lot worse) you could have an absolute steal off the ww that wins your season for you...If nothing comes of this as of next week I am simply going to drop him and accept that I was a victim of some internet hype...I think Gordon’s potential massive upside is worth one last roll of the dice. I plan on dropping some mediocre bench player (who you could most likely replace with an equally valuable player next week) or a handcuff taking up a roster spot for the week.

Yes, I think that's what a lot of us are doing.  Does it suck owning him on September 14th when he isn't even due to finish rehab until the 21st.  So maybe the soonest we hear anything could be the 22nd?  Of course.  It sucks that we are going to have to go through another week of waiver claims with him on our bench taking up space.  But there is absolutely no way you are going to be able to roster him easily on the 22nd.  The time to grab him is now.  If your league is like mine, if he goes through week 2 waiver claims unclaimed, which he did mine this week, then he becomes a free agent.  So let's say he is a free agent on Wednesday September 20th.  Rumors start to circulate on the 21st, perhaps a tweet comes out that tomorrow could be the day.  If you're waiting for that kind of news, then you better be sitting by your computer and google searching "Josh Gordon reinstatement" and hitting refresh every minute, and the second you see something you need to run and claim him for free.  Why go through all the stress?  Why not grab him now and hold and see what happens?

Anyone concerned with the dropoff in his numbers in 2014? This was during my hiatus, so I didn't follow back then. Sounds like it was due to him not knowing the playbook, but wasn't sure. 

Just wondering if he's more he's capable of producing his 2013 numbers or his 2014 numbers. (and that's if all the other dominoes fall in place for him to actually be on the field)

Obviously the answer is nobody knows.  He's still only 26.  Presumably since he's been playing football since he was a kid, he can learn a playbook.  I just want to see him get on the field.  

If he gets reinstated, you could even try to trade him on past performance alone if you are concerned that there will be some rust and that we won't get the player he used to be.  

 

[Saboo]

I wouldn’t be concerned with his 2014 numbers

 

[Sebowski]

I wouldn’t be concerned with his 2014 numbers

What about his '15 and '16 numbers? 

 

[MaxThreshold]

This kid is going to be BIG!  BIG I tell ya'!  He's going to break all kinds of records.  You'll see.  It'll be huge.

 

[davearm]

Yes, I think that's what a lot of us are doing.  Does it suck owning him on September 14th when he isn't even due to finish rehab until the 21st.  So maybe the soonest we hear anything could be the 22nd?  Of course.  It sucks that we are going to have to go through another week of waiver claims with him on our bench taking up space.  But there is absolutely no way you are going to be able to roster him easily on the 22nd.  The time to grab him is now.  If your league is like mine, if he goes through week 2 waiver claims unclaimed, which he did mine this week, then he becomes a free agent.  So let's say he is a free agent on Wednesday September 20th.  Rumors start to circulate on the 21st, perhaps a tweet comes out that tomorrow could be the day.  If you're waiting for that kind of news, then you better be sitting by your computer and google searching "Josh Gordon reinstatement" and hitting refresh every minute, and the second you see something you need to run and claim him for free.  Why go through all the stress?  Why not grab him now and hold and see what happens? 

We can be certain that nothing can happen on the field on Sunday to impact Gordon's value.

Meanwhile there are a handful of guys (RBs mostly) who could become much more valuable if the guy ahead of him is injured this week.

So I'll grab one of those RBs now, and see how the weekend goes.  If that ticket doesn't cash, I'll consider giving Gordon that roster spot when waivers run on Wednesday.

 

[greyhorse]

We can be certain that nothing can happen on the field on Sunday to impact Gordon's value.

Meanwhile there are a handful of guys (RBs mostly) who could become much more valuable if the guy ahead of him is injured this week.

So I'll grab one of those RBs now, and see how the weekend goes.  If that ticket doesn't cash, I'll consider giving Gordon that roster spot when waivers run on Wednesday.

Yes, of course.  But the flip side is that somebody in your league decides to get a head start and claim him now like many of us have.  Or news comes out on Monday that he is getting ready to file for reinstatement.  Now you have to use FAAB dollars or waiver priority to get him.  Obviously it would be nice if you could hold him now and then also speculate on a lotto ticket, but that would mean you have two expendable bench spots which most of us don't.

 

[amnesiac]

we need to lock this thread. 

 

[Saboo]

There was an interesting article in Pro Football Weekly (9/14/17) that implies that even if Gordon applies to be re-instated it may take a long time (Goodell has 60 days to make a decision) and is by no means a slam dunk. Beyond that the article states there has been “nil” contact between Gordon and the Browns of late and the team is not sure what they would do with him if he were to return. If this article is to be believed, it seems that Gordon’s return may still be a ways off and holding a roster spot for him may not be worth it.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/09/14/6509a5de836844f387c579814c8eb955/index.xml?page=1

"A source told PFW that the team has not yet made a final decision on what it plans to do. There is quite hope that Gordon has changed some things in his life for the better. But the contact between the team and player has been nil recently, and even intermediaries can only paint broad strokes about how Gordon is doing. The worry prior to Gordon entering rehab this most recent time, we hear, is that he hadn’t yet cut ties with some of the bad influences in his life – people who have helped lead him down the wrong paths in the past.

Beyond also finding out what kind of physical shape Gordon is in, the NFL still needs to reinstate him, which is no guarantee. Article 30 of the league’s Policy and Program on Substances of Abuse indicates that players who have been banished in Stage Three of the program must go through a very detailed reapplication process.

It includes proving the candidate can prove he has undergone the proper steps toward that end, including treatment; 
abstinence from substances of abuse throughout the entire period of his banishment; 
no involvement with any substances of abuse; and no arrests or convictions for any criminal activity. The process can take as long as 60 days for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to hand down a ruling on the matter, after Gordon would have met with the league’s medical director and medical advisor.

All in all, there’s more waiting ahead and more unknowns into one of the more strange and disappointing wastes of talent to this point." 

 

[davearm]

Yes, of course.  But the flip side is that somebody in your league decides to get a head start and claim him now like many of us have.  Or news comes out on Monday that he is getting ready to file for reinstatement.  Now you have to use FAAB dollars or waiver priority to get him.  Obviously it would be nice if you could hold him now and then also speculate on a lotto ticket, but that would mean you have two expendable bench spots which most of us don't.

I'll take my chances.  IMO there's not going to be any news on this while he's in rehab.  (If I understand correctly, the next-week timeline that's been floating around is the date he gets done with rehab.)

 

[Chaka]

I think it's a bad decision to grab him in a redraft.

Dynasty? Sure, why not.

 

[thehoch]

The NFL needs ratings.....that's all you need to know. They are panicking at the league office. They want Josh Gordon back on the field. Take it or leave it but it's the truth. He'll get a shot here soon.....but will he make the most of it? That is really the question for me. I picked him up in redraft, I'll wait a week or two to see what happens. Better to have him on the bench than some average player who rides my bench.

 

[davearm]

The NFL needs ratings.....that's all you need to know. They are panicking at the league office. They want Josh Gordon back on the field. Take it or leave it but it's the truth. He'll get a shot here soon.....but will he make the most of it? That is really the question for me. I picked him up in redraft, I'll wait a week or two to see what happens. Better to have him on the bench than some average player who rides my bench.

If the NFL is relying on Josh Gordon to move the needle on ratings, then they're a) way more desperate than I imagined, and b) way stupider than I imagined, since his impact will be nil.

 

[iamkoza]

someone asked earlier this page, how long will it take him to get up to speed if re-instated?

i dont recall during the last in season suspension in 14, was he allowed to attend practice but just not play?  he had a huge first game then didnt do squat afterwords.  Right now he isnt doing anything team related, seems like a minimum of 2-3 weeks before he would get worked in right?

 

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The NFL needs ratings.....that's all you need to know. They are panicking at the league office. They want Josh Gordon back on the field. 

The only people who remember who Josh Gordon is right now are hardcore Browns fans, and serious FFL dorks (note the 3-6% ownership rate). 

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

NFL wants ratings with Gordon (guy that's had zero impact in NFL since 2014 (?)...........but wanting Elliott (one of their league's best RBs) -- that hasn't been charged by law enforcement -- suspended for 6 games. 

Ok.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The NFL needs ratings.....that's all you need to know. They are panicking at the league office. They want Josh Gordon back on the field. Take it or leave it but it's the truth. He'll get a shot here soon.....but will he make the most of it? That is really the question for me. I picked him up in redraft, I'll wait a week or two to see what happens. Better to have him on the bench than some average player who rides my bench.

No one at the NFL offices is saying, "ratings are suffering - quick, gimme ideas. Nothing is out of bounds. Go!"

NFL Suit Guy: "Josh Gordon - reinstatement!"

NFL Office guy, "that's gold Johnny, pure gold!"

 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

someone asked earlier this page, how long will it take him to get up to speed if re-instated?

i dont recall during the last in season suspension in 14, was he allowed to attend practice but just not play?  he had a huge first game then didnt do squat afterwords.  Right now he isnt doing anything team related, seems like a minimum of 2-3 weeks before he would get worked in right?

More like months. If ever.

He's suspended indefinitely. No team contact. 

And the Browns have said previously that they were done talking about Josh Gordon after prepping to have him for 6 weeks, working with him, the NFL & his agent on reinstatement last time only to end up with egg on their face.

Not at all bold prediction: Josh Gordon does not suit up for an NFL team in 2017.

if he's smart, he gets out of rehab, has his agent sign him up with a CFL team, and plays hard and keeps his nose clean for a year.

do that and maybe, just maybe the NFL will believe Josh Gordon is a changed man.

30, 60 or even 90 days of rehab is a blink of an eye in the life of an addict. The fact that his trainer friend is claiming he's a changed man and he's fixed is deeply troubling in its own right. An addict is never fixed. Ask anyone in AA or NA. They'll tell you that there's no such think as an ex addict. There are addicts. Some use drugs or alcohol, and some spend every day fighting against using drugs or alcohol. 

If clean, Josh Gordon is an addict fresh out of rehab, and often handing an addict millions of dollars and pressure to perform is a horrific combination. As it has clearly been for Josh Gordon, for a glaring example. 

The NFL is going to want nothing to do with this until they have reason to believe in Josh Gordon. A season in the CFL would go a long way towards that. 

One man's opinion. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think it's a bad decision to grab him in a redraft.

Dynasty? Sure, why not.

Redraft is most likely the only place you can pick him up. He's been rostered in all 5 of my dynasty leagues since he was taken in the Supplemental draft. He was only dropped in one (but picked right back up by another team) this whole time. He's been traded a few times but has only spent one week on waivers in every league. 

I actually picked him up in my redraft yesterday, because:

A. We have deep benches (9 spots)

B. I only had to drop Eli (who sucks) and Winston has already had his bye week

C. He's potentially a difference maker - sure it's a long shot but most end of bench players are.

 

[dagwood]

Redraft is most likely the only place you can pick him up. He's been rostered in all 5 of my dynasty leagues since he was taken in the Supplemental draft. He was only dropped in one (but picked right back up by another team) this whole time. He's been traded a few times but has only spent one week on waivers in every league. 

I actually picked him up in my redraft yesterday, because:

A. We have deep benches (9 spots)

B. I only had to drop Eli (who sucks) and Winston has already had his bye week

C. He's potentially a difference maker - sure it's a long shot but most end of bench players are.

Wise move on your part.  The player you cut to grab him can be easily replaced in a couple weeks if he is denied reinstatement again.  People all to often fall in love with the average people on the end of their bench.  Average production can replaced from the waiver wire (might be a different player but similar production).  If Gordon gets reinstated, you picked up a potential stud for essentially nothing.  That type of production cannot be replaced on the waiver wire.  If you wait until he is reinstated, everyone in the league will be fighting over him and more than likely you will not get him.  Nice move!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wise move on your part.  The player you cut to grab him can be easily replaced in a couple weeks if he is denied reinstatement again.  People all to often fall in love with the average people on the end of their bench.  Average production can replaced from the waiver wire (might be a different player but similar production).  If Gordon gets reinstated, you picked up a potential stud for essentially nothing.  That type of production cannot be replaced on the waiver wire.  If you wait until he is reinstated, everyone in the league will be fighting over him and more than likely you will not get him.  Nice move!

Goodell could take up to 60 days to review the application for reinstatement.

im betting he's in none hurry to do so. 

Could be a lot longer than a couple weeks. But end-of-bench, if no one else with upside is around, sure, why not. 

 

[greyhorse]

There was an interesting article in Pro Football Weekly (9/14/17) that implies that even if Gordon applies to be re-instated it may take a long time (Goodell has 60 days to make a decision) and is by no means a slam dunk. Beyond that the article states there has been “nil” contact between Gordon and the Browns of late and the team is not sure what they would do with him if he were to return. If this article is to be believed, it seems that Gordon’s return may still be a ways off and holding a roster spot for him may not be worth it.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/09/14/6509a5de836844f387c579814c8eb955/index.xml?page=1

This is probably the most pertinent and helpful post of the last several pages.

My excitement for him is dimming.  I think a lot of us were hoping, he walks out of rehab next week on the 21st, and gets immediately reinstated on the 22nd.  I'm gathering there will be a lot of meetings with Goodell, etc.  And that no decision will be immediate.  It said he last applied for reinstatement on March 1st as we all know, but that it wasn't denied until May 11.  No way am I going to hold on to him until November to see if he gets reinstated if this is the case.

I'm thinking of trading in this lotto ticket for another...

 

[dagwood]

Goodell could take up to 60 days to review the application for reinstatement.

im betting he's in none hurry to do so. 

Could be a lot longer than a couple weeks. But end-of-bench, if no one else with upside is around, sure, why not. 

Step 1 - He has to request reinstatement.  If he does not in the next couple weeks....bye bye....pick up average WR to replace him.

If he requests reinstatement reevaluate.  If I thought there was a good chance he was going to play and play at a high level from week 10 or 12 on, that would be well worth sacrificing a spot on my bench.  We don't know how long Roger Goodell will take to make a decision.  It could be a week or it be 8 weeks or anywhere in between.

 

[wakelawyer]

I took him with the last pick in a redraft with short benches with the hopes that he might come back before bye weeks hit.  Another owner dropped Moncrief and I moved on.  I'd really like him to do well but Goodell has made it crystal clear that he's gonna punish players and that he's not going to act quickly in letting players back on the field.  If Goodell has 60 days decide, you can count on him taking at least 53 of them and then ruling on the Friday afternoon in that last week.

 

[dagwood]

I took him with the last pick in a redraft with short benches with the hopes that he might come back before bye weeks hit.  Another owner dropped Moncrief and I moved on.  I'd really like him to do well but Goodell has made it crystal clear that he's gonna punish players and that he's not going to act quickly in letting players back on the field.  If Goodell has 60 days decide, you can count on him taking at least 53 of them and then ruling on the Friday afternoon in that last week.

On the other hand, he sped up the Josh Brown decision and is trying to speed up the Ezekial Elliot process.  Not sure that will have an impact on his speed in this case but you never know.  That being said, I probably would have grabbed Moncrief as well if I was in your position.  Its a lotto ticket.  Could be worth a lot; could be worth zero.

 

[greyhorse]

Step 1 - He has to request reinstatement.  If he does not in the next couple weeks....bye bye....pick up average WR to replace him.

If he requests reinstatement reevaluate.  If I thought there was a good chance he was going to play and play at a high level from week 10 or 12 on, that would be well worth sacrificing a spot on my bench.  We don't know how long Roger Goodell will take to make a decision.  It could be a week or it be 8 weeks or anywhere in between.

On the other hand, he sped up the Josh Brown decision and is trying to speed up the Ezekial Elliot process.  Not sure that will have an impact on his speed in this case but you never know.  That being said, I probably would have grabbed Moncrief as well if I was in your position.  Its a lotto ticket.  Could be worth a lot; could be worth zero.

No way I'm going to hang on to him if he isn't coming back until week 10.  Can't do it.  Lots of leagues with bigger benches or IR spots, perhaps. 

I agree that Goodell will take 59 days to decide if that's his right.  He wants to keep problems out of his league.  He sped up Josh Brown and Zeke to try to get them out and suspended, not because he's trying to get them back in and playing.  Big difference.

 

[davearm]

Wise move on your part.  The player you cut to grab him can be easily replaced in a couple weeks if he is denied reinstatement again.  People all to often fall in love with the average people on the end of their bench.  Average production can replaced from the waiver wire (might be a different player but similar production).  If Gordon gets reinstated, you picked up a potential stud for essentially nothing.  That type of production cannot be replaced on the waiver wire.  If you wait until he is reinstated, everyone in the league will be fighting over him and more than likely you will not get him.  Nice move!

Most savvy owners have a guy on the end of their bench just like Gordon -- a lotto ticket that could hit, but is more likely to be worth nothing -- not some scrub whose best case outcome is bye week filler.

The question then becomes whether Gordon is a better bet to bust out and change your season than guys like Connor, Carson, Mack, Moncrief, etc.

 

[wakelawyer]

On the other hand, he sped up the Josh Brown decision and is trying to speed up the Ezekial Elliot process.  Not sure that will have an impact on his speed in this case but you never know.  That being said, I probably would have grabbed Moncrief as well if I was in your position.  Its a lotto ticket.  Could be worth a lot; could be worth zero.

Definitely true but they are a bit different.  He definitely drug his feet on Elliott but now wants to move quickly now that there is a stay in place -- it seems like a PR issue.  

As for Brown, he's retired so there was really no one to fight on that.  I'd have to look deeper but my thought was that one of the investigators in the Elliott matter had made some comments about Brown.  And maybe the increased suspension was to appease her.  But that's based on some Pro Football Talk blurb so certainly take it for what it's worth.

But both are consistent with wanting to bring down the hammer on players.

 

[davearm]

On the other hand, he sped up the Josh Brown decision and is trying to speed up the Ezekial Elliot process.  Not sure that will have an impact on his speed in this case but you never know.  That being said, I probably would have grabbed Moncrief as well if I was in your position.  Its a lotto ticket.  Could be worth a lot; could be worth zero.

The NFL is trying to speed up the Elliot process now, because the judge issued a stay and their punishment isn't being enforced.

They certainly didn't speed up the process over the nearly 12 months they took deciding whether to suspend the guy in the first place.

 

[Chaka]

Redraft is most likely the only place you can pick him up. He's been rostered in all 5 of my dynasty leagues since he was taken in the Supplemental draft. He was only dropped in one (but picked right back up by another team) this whole time. He's been traded a few times but has only spent one week on waivers in every league. 

I actually picked him up in my redraft yesterday, because:

A. We have deep benches (9 spots)

B. I only had to drop Eli (who sucks) and Winston has already had his bye week

C. He's potentially a difference maker - sure it's a long shot but most end of bench players are.

Good luck with that.  Sincerely.

What's the absolute best case scenario? Applies on the 21st and is eligible to play on Oct 1st, he practices the full week, picks up the offense, which was new to him, immediately based upon his experience in OTAs and TC (was he in TC last year? I forget) and immediately jumps in front of Coleman and Britt as Kizer's favorite target.

Is there really no one else on your waiver wire that doesn't have more likely upside than Gordon?

IMO Gordon's only value in redraft is as trade bait to people who think that best case scenario could actually happen.  If there is one like that in my league, then I might buy too but if he couldn't be traded between 9/21 and 10/1 then I would drop him without hesitation.

The more likely outcome is he waits 4-8 weeks before hearing a peep from the league office and is either 1) relegated to spot duty or not even on the active gameday roster for a couple more weeks at which point you would be unlikely to start him during any playoff drive because he will still be an unknown commodity or 2) he's traded for a bag of rocks to another team and deals with the same exact thing.

Buy him to trade to a sucker, otherwise avoid.

 

[greyhorse]

Most savvy owners have a guy on the end of their bench just like Gordon -- a lotto ticket that could hit, but is more likely to be worth nothing -- not some scrub whose best case outcome is bye week filler.

The question then becomes whether Gordon is a better bet to bust out and change your season than guys like Connor, Carson, Mack, Moncrief, etc.

Yeah completely agree.  Wish my lotto ticket last week was Tarik Cohen!  You never know how quickly the NFL will change each week.  I don't see this resolving really quickly.  Was encouraged by early reports saying he would be reinstated by week 3, but I think that's just Gordon expressing wishful thinking.  I see no reason why Goodell will immediately rubber stamp a guy who's failed over and over.  His office is still trying to recover from the PR debacle of the Zeke case, which is why they're still trying to push the issue in courts.

 

[packer_junkie]

I picked him up in every league Im in. If he doesnt get re-instated, Ill drop him for an upside RB. No brainer. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

On the other hand, he sped up the Josh Brown decision and is trying to speed up the Ezekial Elliot process.  Not sure that will have an impact on his speed in this case but you never know.  That being said, I probably would have grabbed Moncrief as well if I was in your position.  Its a lotto ticket.  Could be worth a lot; could be worth zero.

He's trying to speed up the Ezekiel Elliott process to keep him suspended, not bring him back.

 

[Bernie51]

One thing on my mind is after his reinstatement first got denied in March, whether the NFL communicated with him in any level on what he needed to do before applying again (i.e. "go to rehab for 90 days, then reapply"), and if so, whether the process would be more clear cut the second time he applies later this month, and thus not take as long to process. 

When reading Tim Montgomery's comments, it MAY sound like that. 

It's also possible that I'm just trying to be as optimistic as I can...

EDIT: Including Montgomery's comment here: 

"He's been clean, so we're hoping after 90 days he's reinstated and they put him back in the league, which it looks like they're going to do that,'' said Montgomery.

 

[greyhorse]

One thing on my mind is after his reinstatement first got denied in March, whether the NFL communicated with him in any level on what he needed to do before applying again (i.e. "go to rehab for 90 days, then reapply"), and if so, whether the process would be more clear cut the second time he applies later this month, and thus not take as long to process. 

When reading Tim Montgomery's comments, it MAY sound like that. 

It's also possible that I'm just trying to be as optimistic as I can...

EDIT: Including Montgomery's comment here: 

"He's been clean, so we're hoping after 90 days he's reinstated and they put him back in the league, which it looks like they're going to do that,'' said Montgomery.

Yeah.  Of course we're all just guessing here, unless any of us work in Goodell's office.  Obviously the message was - go to rehab for 90 days.  Then I'm sure it's going to take a meeting between the two of them.  Then some investigation regarding home situation, acquaintances, etc.  That takes time.  I will be very happy if he reinstates him immediately on the 22nd, but I just don't see that happening.

With the possibility of things dragging out, maybe getting traded or certainly at the very least having to get reacquainted with the Browns, playbook, conditioning, practice, etc... things aren't looking too promising for Gordon to be your league winning ticket.  I'm thinking my best option is to wait for the owner of David Johnson to get tired of him, or wait for him to lose a few games and then make a fair trade for him.  DJ for the playoff run is all I would need to get to the 'ship.

 

[Sebowski]

Jesus christ guys. Just let this thing die until there is actual news please. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good luck with that.  Sincerely.

What's the absolute best case scenario? Applies on the 21st and is eligible to play on Oct 1st, he practices the full week, picks up the offense, which was new to him, immediately based upon his experience in OTAs and TC (was he in TC last year? I forget) and immediately jumps in front of Coleman and Britt as Kizer's favorite target.

Is there really no one else on your waiver wire that doesn't have more likely upside than Gordon?

IMO Gordon's only value in redraft is as trade bait to people who think that best case scenario could actually happen.  If there is one like that in my league, then I might buy too but if he couldn't be traded between 9/21 and 10/1 then I would drop him without hesitation.

The more likely outcome is he waits 4-8 weeks before hearing a peep from the league office and is either 1) relegated to spot duty or not even on the active gameday roster for a couple more weeks at which point you would be unlikely to start him during any playoff drive because he will still be an unknown commodity or 2) he's traded for a bag of rocks to another team and deals with the same exact thing.

Buy him to trade to a sucker, otherwise avoid.

If it drags on. I drop him. Oh noes!!!

 

[Sinn Fein]

Jesus christ guys. Just let this thing die until there is actual news please. 

Concentrating on rehabtm