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WR Josh Gordon, KC (1 Viewer)

Does anyone believe that there was a plan for him to be in treatment instead of training camp? If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you...
I didn't take it that way. I took at tho he is utilizing resources available to ihm, when he needs them (which was likely part of his rehab plan)

There's no doubt this isn't ideal. But he's choosing to get help for whatever the issue is, before it actually becomes an issue again. 

One more strike, he's done. Looks to me he's doing what he needs to, to avoid that strike.

 
A source told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero that Josh Gordon is "absolutely not suspended."

Given his history, it is understandable some would be skeptical of Gordon, who says he is missing the start of camp as part of his "overall health and treatment plan." Pelissero's report suggests he is telling the truth, but NFL spokesperson Brian McCarthy said the league will "address the matter at the appropriate time." It sounds like there is real reason for concern.

 
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@TomPelissero 

Players in Stage Three can be drug tested up to 10 times per month and medical director can order treatment. Positive test or failure to comply triggers indefinite banishment of at least 1 year. To reiterate: Gordon is not suspended, but there's no timetable on his return.

 
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On #Browns WR Josh Gordon, GM John Dorsey: “We will continue to support Josh as he receives the care needed to maintain his progress. We are going to respect his privacy while he is away from the team. Josh will be placed on the (NFI) reserve list until he is ready to return.”

 
Again, not ideal... But takes some big balls to know you need help before it's too late. 

Hopefully he's out there again in a few short weeks.

 
yes, addictions and mental health stop once training camp begins.
That was not my intent. The previous statements made it sound like this was scheduled treatment. Just find it odd that it was part of the plan and scheduled at training camp. 

Gordon says the absence is "part of my overall health and treatment plan," suggesting this was always the plan. "By continuing to follow the plan set up by our medical director and his team and taking this time before this season starts," Gordon writes, "we believe it will help me maintain the progress I’ve made for not only today but for many years to come

 
So when is Brown's training camp?  This Thursday (just looked it up).  So whatever the treatment is requires at least 4 days?

 
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That was not my intent. The previous statements made it sound like this was scheduled treatment. Just find it odd that it was part of the plan and scheduled at training camp. 

Gordon says the absence is "part of my overall health and treatment plan," suggesting this was always the plan. "By continuing to follow the plan set up by our medical director and his team and taking this time before this season starts," Gordon writes, "we believe it will help me maintain the progress I’ve made for not only today but for many years to come
Like I said earlier, I dont think it was at all planned for him to go now... It was however planned that if there were certain triggers/stressors that he felt could lead to a breakdown, he'd check in. 

A plan is a plan. It's not on a schedule (for ppl w addiction/mental health) - it's ongoing and on an "as required basis" as well

 
A source told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero that Josh Gordon is "absolutely not suspended."

Given his history, it is understandable some would be skeptical of Gordon, who says he is missing the start of camp as part of his "overall health and treatment plan." Pelissero's report suggests he is telling the truth, but NFL spokesperson Brian McCarthy said the league will "address the matter at the appropriate time." It sounds like there is real reason for concern.
So he's currently not suspended but the league will "address the matter at the appropriate time."

Seems like ample room for him to still be suspended.

Last week a Canton sports DJ said that a source texted him and told him that Gordon failed a drug test.

I'd say that things do not look good for Gordon at all right now. Hopefully he is able to at least get the help he obviously needs and make positive changes for the rest of his life.

 
So did he fall off the wagon and he was advised to do the smart thing and run to rehab rather than test positive?
This is a very plausible theory. I don't know why they'd want to keep him off of a TV show and why that makes sense as a theory. Last I checked, if he suits up for the Browns this year he will be on TV every week. Seems like wishful thinking from Gordon owners.  

 
Browns’ WR Josh Gordon did not have any slip ups or failed tests, per sources. His leave is a pro-active, defensive gesture to get extra counseling to try to ensure he does not have any of the setbacks that have marked his past. Those who know him say he has “worked his a— off.”

- Adam Schefter

 
Because it's still a TV show...who knows what his rehab treatment is like? Will he feel like he needs to put on a show for the cameras? Will the producers do anything to get good TV? Who the hell knows?  I'm not a rehab therapist. I'm hardly using this as wishful thinking, I'm the complete opposite. I own him and I think it's all a bad sign.
the NFL is a TV show... 

 
So, not a single source said he's suspended or relapsed. 

In fact, the best sources have all said the opposite. 

But ok. 

 
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Believe what you like, boys. 
You rush to judgement faster than anyone.  Most of us aren't believing one side or the other until more info comes out.  There aren't many facts here besides he's missing the start of camp.  Hope you're right, but it makes no sense to keep harping on anyone with a concern.  

 
So, not a single source said he's suspended or relapased. 

In fact, the best sources have all said the opposite. 

But ok. 
I'm not saying he is off the wagon, I just see this as a bad sign. Training camp is starting and he apparently isn't in the right condition mentally to be there. Whatever that means. Can't be a good sign

 
Not sure why it isn’t obvious to everyone that the plan being referred to is about not demoralizing/wrecking the ankles of every Browns DB during camp. Timing seems obvious after what Gordon did to that poor kid in Florida.

 
I'm just going based off all the top sources including the Browns' GM. 

Not suspended. Precautionary. Be back soon. 

It's nothing I didn't expect from someone w mental health issues. This was always going to pop up here and there. 

Positive to see that he recognized the signs and got help before he ended his career

 
You rush to judgement faster than anyone.  Most of us aren't believing one side or the other until more info comes out.  There aren't many facts here besides he's missing the start of camp.  Hope you're right, but it makes no sense to keep harping on anyone with a concern.  
There are not many facts but he has a crap ton of history to pull from to make an educated guess as to what is going on.

 
Browns’ WR Josh Gordon did not have any slip ups or failed tests, per sources. His leave is a pro-active, defensive gesture to get extra counseling to try to ensure he does not have any of the setbacks that have marked his past. Those who know him say he has “worked his a— off.”

- Adam Schefter
This is great for his life outside of football and, really, that's the most important thing.  However I don't know how this can be viewed as a good thing for his football career or for FF purposes.  Whatever is going on with him requires him to be away from football at one of the most critical times of the year - that can't be a good thing.

 
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If he isn't out there to start the season, then I wouldnt Blame anyone for cutting. It makes sense. 

But everything seems to point to him being back in a few weeks. We'll know soon enough

 
If he isn't out there to start the season, then I wouldnt Blame anyone for cutting. It makes sense. 

But everything seems to point to him being back in a few weeks. We'll know soon enough
So, in my opinion, it seems best case scenario he is missing time because of some kind of a mental road block. Whether it be anxiety or fears of relapse, or whatever. Let's just say mental illness or even just part of his recovery. For some reason his rehab specialist or whatever was planning all along for him to miss training camp to help with his addiction. As weird as that sounds, I'll play along. 

My question then is: what changes to make that better by week 1? If he can't mentally handle training camp, then why would we think he could mentally handle the mental stress of an in-season NFL week of practice and game on Sunday? 

 
So, in my opinion, it seems best case scenario he is missing time because of some kind of a mental road block. Whether it be anxiety or fears of relapse, or whatever. Let's just say mental illness or even just part of his recovery. For some reason his rehab specialist or whatever was planning all along for him to miss training camp to help with his addiction. As weird as that sounds, I'll play along. 

My question then is: what changes to make that better by week 1? If he can't mentally handle training camp, then why would we think he could mentally handle the mental stress of an in-season NFL week of practice and game on Sunday? 
He's done, anything else is just wishful thinking by Soul.   The "mental health" angle seems awfully convenient when in fact its just that he is a knucklehead who likes to party.   Why they dont just part ways to avoid this continuing headache is beyond me.  Most franchises would have moved on long ago but not the browns. 

 
This is great for his life outside of football and, really, that's the most important thing.  However I don't know how this can be viewed as a good thing for his football career or for FF purposes.  Whatever is going on with him requires him to be away from football at one of the most critical times of the year - that can't be a good thing.
This seems a little hyperbolic. I get it- new QB, new OC, you want him there for the start or camp. But August Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan (ok not January it’s the Browns lol) are more important so you’re starting with 5/12 months more critical.

 
I may be reading too much into this, but this statement by the league just seems out of place if Gordon is truly just taking a proactive approach to dealing with whatever issue he has going on.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy also said there is no timetable for Gordon's return, saying in a statement that the league will "address the matter at an appropriate time."

If he’s taking a personal leave, why would the League “address the matter” at all?  Guys take personal leaves all the time and the League doesn’t address them.  I’m getting the feeling that this is the beginning of the end we’re finally witnessing.

 
I may be reading too much into this, but this statement by the league just seems out of place if Gordon is truly just taking a proactive approach to dealing with whatever issue he has going on.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy also said there is no timetable for Gordon's return, saying in a statement that the league will "address the matter at an appropriate time."

If he’s taking a personal leave, why would the League “address the matter” at all?  Guys take personal leaves all the time and the League doesn’t address them.  I’m getting the feeling that this is the beginning of the end we’re finally witnessing.
I read it as, Gordon slipped knew the league was coming for a test and went into rehab or some mental place to get escape.

 
So, in my opinion, it seems best case scenario he is missing time because of some kind of a mental road block. Whether it be anxiety or fears of relapse, or whatever. Let's just say mental illness or even just part of his recovery. For some reason his rehab specialist or whatever was planning all along for him to miss training camp to help with his addiction. As weird as that sounds, I'll play along. 

My question then is: what changes to make that better by week 1? If he can't mentally handle training camp, then why would we think he could mentally handle the mental stress of an in-season NFL week of practice and game on Sunday? 
Yeah the timing is terrible. If he can't be mentally ready for TC, what's the point? There's an argument for letting him go because of his absence alone. To act like this was planned all along is sketchy at best. Ugh I really wanted to see him do well.

 
I may be reading too much into this, but this statement by the league just seems out of place if Gordon is truly just taking a proactive approach to dealing with whatever issue he has going on.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy also said there is no timetable for Gordon's return, saying in a statement that the league will "address the matter at an appropriate time."

If he’s taking a personal leave, why would the League “address the matter” at all?  Guys take personal leaves all the time and the League doesn’t address them.  I’m getting the feeling that this is the beginning of the end we’re finally witnessing.
Can speculate on things all day but I absolutely don't think he is suspended of facing a pending suspension.

My best guess is that his NFL appointed medical advisor can recommend additional treatment, not sure if they can make it mandatory but they can for sure recommend it. My guess is that he is accepting or being forced to accept his medical advisor's request for additional treatment.

 
This seems a little hyperbolic. I get it- new QB, new OC, you want him there for the start or camp. But August Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan (ok not January it’s the Browns lol) are more important so you’re starting with 5/12 months more critical.
The reality is that he didn't play at close to his 2013 level in the games he played in 2014 or 2017. He absolutely needs camp to give him any chance of getting back to that point.

 
My best guess is that his NFL appointed medical advisor can recommend additional treatment, not sure if they can make it mandatory but they can for sure recommend it. My guess is that he is accepting or being forced to accept his medical advisor's request for additional treatment.
Quoting myself here because I just heard Pelissero pretty much say this on NFL Network.

He said a player in stage 3 has to follow the treatment plan laid out by the Medical Director, that Gordon referenced the medical director in this statement, and that clearly the medical director thought that something was happening with him and thought he should continue his treatment.

 
As an insurance agent, I've learned not to assume anything when it comes to "mental illness", if that's in fact what's going on here. 

Just a few weeks ago I got a phone call from a group client of mine who was questioning what could be done about an employee who just totally went missing.  Turns out he's an army vet who has PTSD relapses around the 4th of July each year (fireworks) and goes rogue for a week or two. 

Maybe training camp, or even football in general, is a trigger for this guy.  Being around other players or something.  Perhaps he really is looking for final confirmation of his health and well-being before starting on the long road of the season.  Who knows at this point.  He's not suspended, and the season is still months away. 

 
This seems a little hyperbolic. I get it- new QB, new OC, you want him there for the start or camp. But August Sept Oct Nov Dec Jan (ok not January it’s the Browns lol) are more important so you’re starting with 5/12 months more critical.
Disagreeing with the thought that this is "one of the most critical times of the year" is kinda missing the point.  Whatever is happening with him is causing him to miss time with his teammates - this can't be good for his career/FF.

 
I was faced with keeping 2 out of Gordon, K. Drake, or D. Watson.  Looks like the choices just got easy.  I think he's about to face the Justin Blackmon sentence. Bye bye for good. 

 

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